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Interesting Mara quotes from back in July....

sxdxca : 10/13/2018 12:16 pm
Notice what he says about the answers he received about Eli, when he interviewed Gettleman and Shurmur back in July, and I quote...

"I think he's still got a lot of really good football left in him," Mara said in July. "I know both Dave and Pat feel that way, too. That was something they emphasized to me when we interviewed them, and I think we have a little better supporting cast around him this year. If we could just stay healthy, I think you'll see some very good football from Number 10."

So what we learn is Gettleman and Shurmur both emphasized that they felt Eli had a lot of really good football left in him. This is further confirmed when Shurmur was quoted as saying he felt Eli had "years left" in him.

Now notice these quotes if Mara felt like this was a rebuild, or if they were going all in on Eli, and I quote...

“I think he has a cast around him now that maybe we haven’t had for quite a few years. So we do have some expectations this year."

“I feel like we have a roster that’s good enough to be in the postseason if things break our way and we stay healthy,” says Mara, acknowledging he was similarly hopeful last year before it all went wrong. “We have a little different makeup in the locker room right now. I think we’re better prepared to deal with adversity when it comes along. Health is always gonna be the X-factor in the NFL, and if we can stay reasonably healthy, I think we have a chance.”

“I look back at this past offseason: ‘Did we do everything we could have done to put the best possible team on the field?’ And I think we have,” he says.

What we learn is that he had serious expectations for this year, so no rebuild. He expected the roster Gettleman assembled, if they stayed healthy to put them in the postseason. Well the roster is as healthy as you can get, you used up 173 out of 177 million in cap space, and this team is 1-5...

Hopefully this puts to bed some of the fallacies being spread among some prominent posters here at BBI...



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Here is the second article  
sxdxca : 10/13/2018 12:18 pm : link
for the other quotes...



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People get triggered by your posts..  
Sean : 10/13/2018 12:18 pm : link
but this is very telling. 1-5 is not what anyone expected.
Can't be!  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/13/2018 12:20 pm : link
No one in the franchise expected to be good this year.

Oh, wait..
I have to wonder  
GeorgeAdams33 : 10/13/2018 12:26 pm : link
if people understand what an offensive line is supposed to do
We knew months ago  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/13/2018 12:31 pm : link
That the early schedule was a nightmare. If you were fooled into thinking the team was going to get through October with a better record than this, that's on you for believing management, who has a financial interest in you thinking the team is going ne good.
I read this article.  
DonQuixote : 10/13/2018 12:31 pm : link
and I always thought we were in a rebuild situation. I did not think Eli had a lot left and I felt this was a 6 win team (I may not be far off). The optimist in me hoped for some fundamental improvement so we could be confident more pieces were coming into place. We are not seeing that right now, though I think it is there, I could be wrong.

So I guess I disagree with the coaching and ownership and feel we have been rebuilding all along. I am not sure things would have looked different if the ownership felt so as well, we might have drafted a QB, but I don't think we'd be much better.

I don't think its helpful to get all up in arms about whether we are rebuilding. With such short careers, and rookie contracts, and the salary cap, I think the NFL is a rebuild almost every year.
Well Mara did qualify the season on how injuries play out  
Jimmy Googs : 10/13/2018 12:34 pm : link
and Jonathan Stewart did indeed go on the IR...
Mara and Gettleman  
MookGiants : 10/13/2018 12:35 pm : link
running this organization should scare every single giants fan
Gettleman  
MookGiants : 10/13/2018 12:37 pm : link
clearly believed Eli had a few good years left. Couple that with him believing that Jonathan Stewart hasnt lost a step at all and I have zero confidence in this GM. He got fired very quickly in Carolina, I hope the same happens here because I honestly think he is going to be a terrible GM for the Giants
Everything the Giants did in the off-season  
MookGiants : 10/13/2018 12:39 pm : link
Showed that the front office and owner believed they were a playoff contender. Yes, the oline sucked, but if you think you are truly rebuilding, you dont make a slightly above average tackle the highest paid tackle in the league at age 30. Thats just poor business. They did everything with the intention of going for it in the next two seasons
Omameh makes John Jerry look good  
moespree : 10/13/2018 12:40 pm : link
He may be the only one capable of such a thing. Gettleman dumped Jerry and actually downgraded the position. Good job.
RE: Everything the Giants did in the off-season  
Sean : 10/13/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14126260 MookGiants said:
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Showed that the front office and owner believed they were a playoff contender. Yes, the oline sucked, but if you think you are truly rebuilding, you dont make a slightly above average tackle the highest paid tackle in the league at age 30. Thats just poor business. They did everything with the intention of going for it in the next two seasons


Amazing people on BBI don’t realize this.
People on BBI are delusional  
MookGiants : 10/13/2018 12:47 pm : link
Some actually believe that Gettleman knew this was a true rebuild.

If he knew that, then those same people must believe he's the dumbest person on the planet. You don't sign a 30 year old LT who an actual contender let walk if you are in a true rebuild, no matter how bad your offensive line is. Especially when you dont even have a franchise QB back there that the LT needs to protect, he's protecting Eli who is 37.

John Mara and Gettleman both were 100% wrong in their assessment that Eli had good years left.

Signing Nate Solder will prove to be a truly horrible decision. The guy is only slightly above average. Even if he was 25 it would have been a bad signing because he's not nearly good enough to command that type of salary.

Teams who pay slightly above average players like they are truly elite are the ones that you see drafting in the top 5 every year.
I drank the koolaid again  
Foobarbaz : 10/13/2018 12:57 pm : link
After 2016 season I expected us to go to playoffs again last season but we all know how that turned out.

New coaching, all 5 OL players changed and Saquan Barkley and we still havnt changed.

The defense is same as 2016 defense. A lil changes here and there but still pretty much the same D#

Offense been horrible since Coach tom coughlin left. I though maybe the offensive guru was just horrible in play design(which he was) and that with new coach this year we were ganna go to playoffs for sure.

Still think this should of been our year but we cant contend seriously when we have Wheeler and Omemeh on the line. They should stay as depth but not as starters.

Trade for RG3!
The key word are " think " and " hope "  
Rjanyg : 10/13/2018 1:04 pm : link
I think we improved the roster and I hope we stay healthy and make the post season.

This is the NFL. Everyone is trying to win and the reality is this team doesn't have enough difference makers in defense and the injuries have started ( our best pass rusher missed the first 5 games, our starting center, TE's, Latimer, Apple have missed time ), they hoped Flowers would be ok at RT. There have been issues with the Fullback position, the communication with the line has been off. The play of Riley at FS has been bad. You can't fix everything in one offseason. Should they be playing better? Yes but to say we would make the playoffs was a stretch. I believe we were hoping to be a competitive team with anywhere from 7-9 wins. That is not gonna happen. I can see maybe 5 wins at the most.

Gettlemen is just starting the roster rebuild. Shurmur is a good coach. We have some top talent, but we still need about 8 more pieces and one of those pieces is Eli's successor. It will happen next offseason.
This was never a rebuild. I think most of us are dumbfounded  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/13/2018 1:16 pm : link
by how old and timid Eli looks and how unimaginative Shurmur’s playcalling has been. I honestly thought Eli would play better with a better cast and a vastly improved scheme.

Well, the scheme is McAdoo-esque and Eli isn’t able to rise above/motivate/uplift the rest of the roster the way a HoF, franchise, 20M$ QB should.

It’d be interesting to see how they react to this disastrous start. I can’t possibly imagine that they’d double down on Eli.
What I find most shocking  
Hammer : 10/13/2018 1:20 pm : link
Is that last year they were horrendous on offense after losing the entire receiving corps.

This year they are horrendous while healthy at the offensive skill positions.

Last year I fully expected inept offensive play after the receivers went down.

This year there is no excuse.
Mara  
Mendenhall : 10/13/2018 1:29 pm : link
is the problem. He selected a GM and a coach who told him what he wanted to hear. Eli was not done. He just needed a better o line and thy would be a playoff contender. Gettleman is a buffoon. Signing Solder to that contract was a sign of desperation. The OBJ contract is another mistake that was unnecessary. Not drafting a QB was a franchise changing error. Now we have a franchise with no cap space and no QB for the future. We are at the very beginning of a long dark period ahead.
I dont think Mara and Gettleman were wrong  
EricJ : 10/13/2018 1:43 pm : link
when they said Eli has a few good years left. That really was not the point and the answer to that really did not matter. We all know those constant Eli reassuring comments are only to placate the fans who got "so emotional" over the benching.

They were wrong when they thought the changes they made to the OL were going to make a difference OR that Eli can play behind anything other than a fully protected pocket. That is really where this whole thing blew up.
Sorry but people are REALLY stupid this year  
Dave on the UWS : 10/13/2018 2:17 pm : link
EVERY team tries to upgrade the roster EVERY year. DG has turned over all but 18 people from last years roster. How much MORE rebuild do you want him to do? Whether they gave Mara a bunch of BS about Eli to get the job is now not relevant. He was untradeable and un cuttable with his contract for 2018. And if he stayed, he was starting.

As he did in Carolina, DG focused on upgrading the lines. Draft picks and he went after the best OL available (Norwell) and then the 2nd best (Solder). Either was going to be overpaid. He signed Omameh and rightfully expected competent, professional play (its been far below that). Sometimes things don't work, but he made his best guesses for the OL.

What has really killed this team this year is the further decline of Eli to the point he's at now. I can't believe that Shurmur and Getts can't see the plain, painful truth (even if they support him publicly). Neither is stupid and if all of us see it, they must also.

What they do to move forward AFTER this season will tell us if we have a management team to clean up this mess or we are going to relive 1963-1979 (which I did) all over again.
Mara/Gettleman = Mara/Robustelli  
arniefez : 10/13/2018 2:37 pm : link
as painful as this is to watch happen again (welcome back to the 1970's with Shurmur playing the role of Bill Arnsparger and Gettleman playing the role of Andy Robustelli)

There's a part of me that's laughing at the younger guys on BBI who believe all the revisionist Mara history. What you're seeing since Chris Mara became SR VP of Player Personnel is what the Mara's do when they choose the GM and the coaches and get their hands all over the roster.
RE: Mara/Gettleman = Mara/Robustelli  
Justlurking : 10/13/2018 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14126468 arniefez said:
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as painful as this is to watch happen again (welcome back to the 1970's with Shurmur playing the role of Bill Arnsparger and Gettleman playing the role of Andy Robustelli)

There's a part of me that's laughing at the younger guys on BBI who believe all the revisionist Mara history. What you're seeing since Chris Mara became SR VP of Player Personnel is what the Mara's do when they choose the GM and the coaches and get their hands all over the roster.


Agree 100%. We need to remove the Maras from football decisions.
Just take Eli  
section125 : 10/13/2018 4:37 pm : link
and the front office out back and shoot them all. That is what you want isn't it?

They all suck. It is a conspiracy. Mara lied and mislead us. DG amd PS haven't a clue as to playing football.
Narrative is trying to be changed by some  
giantstock : 10/13/2018 4:58 pm : link
By keeping Eli and going after Solder and Stewart their was a clear attempt by Gmen to win this year. Drafting the RB was another indication. If they were in rebuild mode Jenkins would have been traded.

They were obviously trying to win.A s stated the Gmen did not have to go after Solder- they could have gone younger and went after Hubbard.

They just keep blundering along and some fans keep falling for the same crap. How often would we hear that in 2016 were were good and the OL is better so the team will be good this year? Now that has suddenly changed to "ofc we would stink." Well that hwy many of said go with the QB.

Watch at the end of the year the Gmen get a few wins and see again how all of a sudden the narrative will change that they expect us to be a winner in 2019.
...  
christian : 10/13/2018 5:26 pm : link
I actually resent the fans who were like pigs in shit and let everyone know how right they were when Gettleman brought back Manning.

Mara knows his customers, his organization tracks customer sentiment. Hell he actively reads fan email.

Mara has been a populist running this team post Super Bowls. Desperately trying to 1) keep the core together as long as possible 2) create perfect endings for the characters involved has set this team back at least 3 years.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 10/13/2018 6:09 pm : link
In comment 14126684 christian said:
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I actually resent the fans who were like pigs in shit and let everyone know how right they were when Gettleman brought back Manning.

Mara knows his customers, his organization tracks customer sentiment. Hell he actively reads fan email.

Mara has been a populist running this team post Super Bowls. Desperately trying to 1) keep the core together as long as possible 2) create perfect endings for the characters involved has set this team back at least 3 years.


That’s a very interesting take, particularly the last paragraph.

I’ve said hundreds of times that Mara is keenly aware of what happened to Welli in the ‘78 revolt by the fans. Being loved by his customer base is a big deal. It weighs heavily on him and, in my view, one of the key reasons he wanted Eli back after last year’s disaster.
Unlike most owners, Mara can't afford a fan revolt.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/13/2018 6:15 pm : link
From his perspective, it's good business sense to listen to the customers.
RE: Unlike most owners, Mara can't afford a fan revolt.  
christian : 10/13/2018 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14126740 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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From his perspective, it's good business sense to listen to the customers.


Exactly -- most owners have a more diverse business or more money than Mara. Even Tisch can view the Giants more as an investment and can take risks.

The Mara's have the Giants.

I completely sympathise with wanting to be loyal and hoping for pleasant endings. They don't come often.
Yeah, if there's one thing that's highly sensitive to performance,  
Mad Mike : 10/13/2018 7:45 pm : link
it's a football fanbase. Especially one that's paid for psl's.
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christian : 10/13/2018 8:10 pm : link
If Mara could simply focus on winning -- he could assuage some of the frustration with the PSLs and the stadium being a let down.

Instead he has to fight with nostalgia and the team sucking.

There are fans on BBI who literally say Manning has earned the right to play as long as he wants. And fans on BBI who took a victory lap when Gettleman held onto Manning. For some of them it was pretty clear winning with Manning was more important than just winning.

I don't get it. I was 8 when my favorite player got hurt -- and then the Giants won the Super Bowl with his replacement, and it felt just as good. That's the last time I had a favorite player. Who cares who makes it happen.

It will be a sigh of relief when the last vestages of the Super Bowl winning era are gone for Mara, I strongly believe that.
RE: Unlike most owners, Mara can't afford a fan revolt.  
Hammer : 10/13/2018 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14126740 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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From his perspective, it's good business sense to listen to the customers.


To this point, I have seen, in my section of the stadium, seats that, game after game, are empty.

I know that when the place opened there were psl holders in those seats. Now, non one sits in those spots. Ever.

I would make a small wager that when psl holders give up their seats the Giants have difficulty finding new buyers.

Something to think about, from ownership's perspective.
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