they feel he would be a large enough distraction, I would just bench him. It's not like we need to money this season, and cutting him / buying him out next season would be a lot more beneficial. And if he's not happy to be benched, then agree to a buyout.
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they feel he would be a large enough distraction, I would just bench him. It's not like we need to money this season, and cutting him / buying him out next season would be a lot more beneficial. And if he's not happy to be benched, then agree to a buyout.
He would take up a roster spot
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Why would he agree to a buyout when the Knicks were stupid enough to give him that idiotic contract?
Because he'd make up most of it with a new team if one wanted him. Luol Deng gave up $7.5M probably because he wanted to go to a situation where he'd get minutes. Vet min in the NBA for a guy with his service time is ~$1.6M so the hope is he gives that up or slightly more to get to play for the Wolves but alas, it seems even they don't want him even on that deal.
they feel he would be a large enough distraction, I would just bench him. It's not like we need to money this season, and cutting him / buying him out next season would be a lot more beneficial. And if he's not happy to be benched, then agree to a buyout.
I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. Waiting until next year doesn't help us. We could have let him ride the bench and call his bluff but the buyout had to occur this year unless I am mistaken.
they feel he would be a large enough distraction, I would just bench him. It's not like we need to money this season, and cutting him / buying him out next season would be a lot more beneficial. And if he's not happy to be benched, then agree to a buyout.
It doesn't help their cap position this season. After 8/31, current salary counts against the cap for this year and the remaining is stretched over 3 years starting at the end of this season. It helps this offseason which is why they did it. Unfortunately the deadline to make that decision is before free agency starts anyways so it's not like they could wait and see if someone would sign here.
The only argument to waiting would be if you think that he'll eventually take a lower buyout number or if the Knicks could trade him before 7/1. I can see the argument for the latter. Maybe you wait and see and if Durant or whoever agrees to come to NY you attach an asset or two for someone to take Noah while getting back $6M or less in salary (the equivalent of what his cap hit will be next season and beyond). Of course, you have no leverage and another team needs to have that much space and be willing to give it up for a first rounder or something. Don't know that I'd trade a first though for $6M on the books for two years.
they feel he would be a large enough distraction, I would just bench him. It's not like we need to money this season, and cutting him / buying him out next season would be a lot more beneficial. And if he's not happy to be benched, then agree to a buyout.
The cap impact is the same whether they cut him now or next summer. All of this year’s contract counts on this year’s cap. Only his 2019-20 season is being stretched.
Jerome James, Eddy curry or Noah. We really know how to overpay big men huh?
Noah was the worst. He contributed nothing to the team- didn’t earn a dollar. And actually became a major problem. Remember the narrative that he would be a “great teammate”?
I can’t believe they didn’t get him to agree to a buyout. I’d have waited it out until the offseason. He’s now a 6.5 mill cap hit until 2022!
Has he actually really been hurt with a serious injury? I mean what keeps you out for 2 years? Seems to me he hasnt made any effort or shown any interest in getting back on the court
RE: RE: RE: wouldn't agree to a buyout so they're on the hook for his full salary Â
Why would he agree to a buyout when the Knicks were stupid enough to give him that idiotic contract?
Because he'd make up most of it with a new team if one wanted him. Luol Deng gave up $7.5M probably because he wanted to go to a situation where he'd get minutes. Vet min in the NBA for a guy with his service time is ~$1.6M so the hope is he gives that up or slightly more to get to play for the Wolves but alas, it seems even they don't want him even on that deal.
Knicks got nothing out of this. Sacrificing the 15th roster spot is worth preserving the cap space. Zero reason to do it now. Just wait until July to see if you actually need it.
Knicks got nothing out of this. Sacrificing the 15th roster spot is worth preserving the cap space. Zero reason to do it now. Just wait until July to see if you actually need it.
maybe knicms didnt want the distraction? also maybe they know they are getting someone? haha
Knicks got nothing out of this. Sacrificing the 15th roster spot is worth preserving the cap space. Zero reason to do it now. Just wait until July to see if you actually need it.
It seems to contradict the idea that they won't take shortcuts with the rebuild. I know I sound like a broken record, but if they strike out in free agency next season and end up regretting the extra 6.5 mil against their books in 2020 and 2021 I wouldn't be surprised.
Knicks got nothing out of this. Sacrificing the 15th roster spot is worth preserving the cap space. Zero reason to do it now. Just wait until July to see if you actually need it.
Knicks got nothing out of this. Sacrificing the 15th roster spot is worth preserving the cap space. Zero reason to do it now. Just wait until July to see if you actually need it.
What cap space are they preserving?
6.5 cap hit in 2020 and 2021. Not insignificant.
So you think they should keep him on the roster for 2 years?
but the knicks are not doing this blind, there is a lot of back channeling going on, they have an idea of who is interested and who is not...
But the only reason to do this now was to get him off the roster. He’s not getting traded or agreeing to a buyout, therefore you can do this whenever you want. Wait until July to see if you actually need that cap space. If you don’t, hold onto him until his contract expires in 2020. I’d prefer that then taking a cap hit in 2020 and 2021 when hopefully they are competitive and every cap dollar counts.
but the knicks are not doing this blind, there is a lot of back channeling going on, they have an idea of who is interested and who is not...
But the only reason to do this now was to get him off the roster. He’s not getting traded or agreeing to a buyout, therefore you can do this whenever you want. Wait until July to see if you actually need that cap space. If you don’t, hold onto him until his contract expires in 2020. I’d prefer that then taking a cap hit in 2020 and 2021 when hopefully they are competitive and every cap dollar counts.
well they wanted to cut him nownto keep vonleh..
also noah was probably going tk file a grievance with the nbapa and the knicks did not want the distraction
Yes, I believe they should have kept him on the roster for 2 years. Â
Many of the players on the team aren't good enough to matter, so the 15th roster spot isn't a big deal imo. I also believe that the guys that do matter won't be good enough to contend for at least 3-5 years, so leaving Noah on the books for this season and next wouldn't change anything.
I hope I'm wrong and something unlikely happens, like they actually sign KD next season, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Most players take time to develop and learn to play the NBA game. It's an exception when a player steps into the league and is an immediate all star. Taking 3-5 years to become a consistent star is expected.
Steph Curry's 2nd contract was such a good deal for the Warriors because he hadn't fully developed yet during his rookie contract. Lebron, Durant and Jordan didn't win a title until their late 20's. I don't fully grasp how waiting 3-5 years for the young talent on the Knicks to develop would mean that they were disappointments or somehow average.
Most players take time to develop and learn to play the NBA game. It's an exception when a player steps into the league and is an immediate all star. Taking 3-5 years to become a consistent star is expected.
Steph Curry's 2nd contract was such a good deal for the Warriors because he hadn't fully developed yet during his rookie contract. Lebron, Durant and Jordan didn't win a title until their late 20's. I don't fully grasp how waiting 3-5 years for the young talent on the Knicks to develop would mean that they were disappointments or somehow average.
the reason curry did not develop during his rookie contract was because he was hurt...
and you absolutely know after a couple of years if a player has it or not...
have there been guys that it has taken longer absolutely but 9 times out of 10 you know pretty quickly..
KP was averaging 24 points per gamr last year and if he and hardaway did not get hurt they would of been fighting for the playoffs, kp fully healthy they are not tanking
but that doesn't mean that more development isn't required. Ben Simmons is very good, but needs a shot. Same thing with the Greek Freak. Didn't Lebron develop a post games like 10 years into his career? KP is clearly very good, but still has a ways to go. I don't think that is a knock on KP. Waiting 3-5 years for Knox to develop seems very reasonable to me, even if he is effective in a lesser way before that.
I'm not sure average points per game defines a good player. Beasley averaged over 20 points per 36 minutes last year. THjr averages points but I disagree that he is a good player or would have remained consistent enough to help the Knicks makes the playoffs last year even with a healthy KP.
I also disagree with the premise that a team has to either compete for a championship or tank. Landing a superstar next year would be great, but if the Knicks strike out in free agency next season it shouldn't be the end of the world. Stretching Noah now seems to imply that the Knicks think it would be.
I believe that watching KP, Knox and company in 2019 and possibly 2020 compete for the playoffs by themselves would be fun even if they had no chance of advancing. The longer contracts could fall off the books naturally and a more experienced and developed team would then have other opportunities to bolster the roster in free agency. That is unless they sign bad contracts or tie up future cap space by doing things like stretching Noah.
Why would he agree to a buyout when the Knicks were stupid enough to give him that idiotic contract?
He would take up a roster spot
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once stretched. that sucks.
Why would he agree to a buyout when the Knicks were stupid enough to give him that idiotic contract?
Because he'd make up most of it with a new team if one wanted him. Luol Deng gave up $7.5M probably because he wanted to go to a situation where he'd get minutes. Vet min in the NBA for a guy with his service time is ~$1.6M so the hope is he gives that up or slightly more to get to play for the Wolves but alas, it seems even they don't want him even on that deal.
I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. Waiting until next year doesn't help us. We could have let him ride the bench and call his bluff but the buyout had to occur this year unless I am mistaken.
It doesn't help their cap position this season. After 8/31, current salary counts against the cap for this year and the remaining is stretched over 3 years starting at the end of this season. It helps this offseason which is why they did it. Unfortunately the deadline to make that decision is before free agency starts anyways so it's not like they could wait and see if someone would sign here.
The only argument to waiting would be if you think that he'll eventually take a lower buyout number or if the Knicks could trade him before 7/1. I can see the argument for the latter. Maybe you wait and see and if Durant or whoever agrees to come to NY you attach an asset or two for someone to take Noah while getting back $6M or less in salary (the equivalent of what his cap hit will be next season and beyond). Of course, you have no leverage and another team needs to have that much space and be willing to give it up for a first rounder or something. Don't know that I'd trade a first though for $6M on the books for two years.
The cap impact is the same whether they cut him now or next summer. All of this year’s contract counts on this year’s cap. Only his 2019-20 season is being stretched.
Weren't James & Curry on the books at the same time? What a horrible time that was.
Noah was the worst. He contributed nothing to the team- didn’t earn a dollar. And actually became a major problem. Remember the narrative that he would be a “great teammate”?
I can’t believe they didn’t get him to agree to a buyout. I’d have waited it out until the offseason. He’s now a 6.5 mill cap hit until 2022!
How could you forget the trade for Andrea Barg....not an NBA player?
Eddy Curry actually scored points and played games.
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Jerome James, Eddy curry or Noah. We really know how to overpay big men huh?
Eddy Curry actually scored points and played games.
He actually had a really good year if I remember right.
The buyout talk: Why would Noah want minutes at this point? He hasnt played in like 2 years? Makes no sense to give up13 million free dollars.
Has he actually really been hurt with a serious injury? I mean what keeps you out for 2 years? Seems to me he hasnt made any effort or shown any interest in getting back on the court
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once stretched. that sucks.
Why would he agree to a buyout when the Knicks were stupid enough to give him that idiotic contract?
Because he'd make up most of it with a new team if one wanted him. Luol Deng gave up $7.5M probably because he wanted to go to a situation where he'd get minutes. Vet min in the NBA for a guy with his service time is ~$1.6M so the hope is he gives that up or slightly more to get to play for the Wolves but alas, it seems even they don't want him even on that deal.
A new team??? BWAAAAAHHAHAHAHA
maybe knicms didnt want the distraction? also maybe they know they are getting someone? haha
What cap space are they preserving?
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Knicks got nothing out of this. Sacrificing the 15th roster spot is worth preserving the cap space. Zero reason to do it now. Just wait until July to see if you actually need it.
What cap space are they preserving?
6.5 cap hit in 2020 and 2021. Not insignificant.
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Knicks got nothing out of this. Sacrificing the 15th roster spot is worth preserving the cap space. Zero reason to do it now. Just wait until July to see if you actually need it.
What cap space are they preserving?
6.5 cap hit in 2020 and 2021. Not insignificant.
So you think they should keep him on the roster for 2 years?
But the only reason to do this now was to get him off the roster. He’s not getting traded or agreeing to a buyout, therefore you can do this whenever you want. Wait until July to see if you actually need that cap space. If you don’t, hold onto him until his contract expires in 2020. I’d prefer that then taking a cap hit in 2020 and 2021 when hopefully they are competitive and every cap dollar counts.
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but the knicks are not doing this blind, there is a lot of back channeling going on, they have an idea of who is interested and who is not...
But the only reason to do this now was to get him off the roster. He’s not getting traded or agreeing to a buyout, therefore you can do this whenever you want. Wait until July to see if you actually need that cap space. If you don’t, hold onto him until his contract expires in 2020. I’d prefer that then taking a cap hit in 2020 and 2021 when hopefully they are competitive and every cap dollar counts.
well they wanted to cut him nownto keep vonleh..
also noah was probably going tk file a grievance with the nbapa and the knicks did not want the distraction
I hope I'm wrong and something unlikely happens, like they actually sign KD next season, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Steph Curry's 2nd contract was such a good deal for the Warriors because he hadn't fully developed yet during his rookie contract. Lebron, Durant and Jordan didn't win a title until their late 20's. I don't fully grasp how waiting 3-5 years for the young talent on the Knicks to develop would mean that they were disappointments or somehow average.
Steph Curry's 2nd contract was such a good deal for the Warriors because he hadn't fully developed yet during his rookie contract. Lebron, Durant and Jordan didn't win a title until their late 20's. I don't fully grasp how waiting 3-5 years for the young talent on the Knicks to develop would mean that they were disappointments or somehow average.
the reason curry did not develop during his rookie contract was because he was hurt...
and you absolutely know after a couple of years if a player has it or not...
have there been guys that it has taken longer absolutely but 9 times out of 10 you know pretty quickly..
KP was averaging 24 points per gamr last year and if he and hardaway did not get hurt they would of been fighting for the playoffs, kp fully healthy they are not tanking
I'm not sure average points per game defines a good player. Beasley averaged over 20 points per 36 minutes last year. THjr averages points but I disagree that he is a good player or would have remained consistent enough to help the Knicks makes the playoffs last year even with a healthy KP.
I also disagree with the premise that a team has to either compete for a championship or tank. Landing a superstar next year would be great, but if the Knicks strike out in free agency next season it shouldn't be the end of the world. Stretching Noah now seems to imply that the Knicks think it would be.
I believe that watching KP, Knox and company in 2019 and possibly 2020 compete for the playoffs by themselves would be fun even if they had no chance of advancing. The longer contracts could fall off the books naturally and a more experienced and developed team would then have other opportunities to bolster the roster in free agency. That is unless they sign bad contracts or tie up future cap space by doing things like stretching Noah.
i never said it was max free agent or bust, all i was sayong sooner rather rhan later tanking will no longer be an option, look at the sixers..
My only dispute was it takes 3 to 5 years...