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Did the D quit Thursday

EJJ : 10/13/2018 3:12 pm
Back in the day, that's my day late 70's 80's. The Giants had some pretty bad Offences but the D played hard to my memory ALL the time.
Last year as we all know there where several games where the D appeared to quit. DG has cut a large portion or the roster due to lack of talent and also to improve the attitude of the team.
My question to my fellow BBI readers is who on the D is quitting or not giving maximum effort? IMO I think Jenkins can blanket any receiver but constantly avoids contact and is currently unfocused. Apple also looks to avoid tackling.
I'm not saying we would have won but the way Barkley started running the ball If our D made some stops, hung in there force a turn over or two who knows but not giving maximum effort against a divisional rival? The Super bowl champs? GTFOH!
They've been playing with high effort game in/out  
RAIN : 10/13/2018 3:16 pm : link
I think it being a Thursday game, did have an impact on the group.
Yes  
mdthedream : 10/13/2018 3:20 pm : link
they did.
Offense not being able to stay on the field  
Rflairr : 10/13/2018 3:20 pm : link
is going to take a toll on a defense. No one quit.
Aikman sure thought they did  
arniefez : 10/13/2018 3:25 pm : link
and his opinion was backed up with video replays.
There were a lot of  
gmenatlarge : 10/13/2018 3:28 pm : link
“Business” decisions being made.
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arcarsenal : 10/13/2018 3:30 pm : link
Looked to me like a lot of guys were jogging and not finishing plays. 6 games in and we're already seeing this shit. Really bad.
Who  
EJJ : 10/13/2018 3:30 pm : link
are the players in question I was well past a six pack by the 4th. I'm thinking Apple, Jenkins?
Thats what I saw  
TMS : 10/13/2018 3:32 pm : link
late in the game. Never saw that before for a Giant defense even in our worst years. They never quit on TC, even when things got bleak but that was my impression. Bad, bad news if this is the type of team we have now.
don't think so  
bc4life : 10/13/2018 3:36 pm : link
but, they have to play to the whistle. on one TD pass - Wentz extends the play - Apple loses focus and his man slips away.
The  
Toth029 : 10/13/2018 3:37 pm : link
Defensive backs sucked vs. Philly. All of them.
RE: Thats what I saw  
BigBlueinChicago : 10/13/2018 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14126536 TMS said:
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late in the game. Never saw that before for a Giant defense even in our worst years. They never quit on TC, even when things got bleak but that was my impression. Bad, bad news if this is the type of team we have now.


You didn't see some of the games last year?

Rams and 49ers games didn't strike you as odd?
It is tough on a defense when the offense keeps going 3 and out, when  
SterlingArcher : 10/13/2018 3:43 pm : link
the 4th quarter rolls around they are gassed and it seems the effort is not there.
they might have  
OdellBeckhamJr : 10/13/2018 3:44 pm : link
but they also made a few stops and Eli couldn't do diddly, they're asked way too much every game
These arent the 1990 giant D players.  
madgiantscow009 : 10/13/2018 3:53 pm : link
They have no place pointing fingers.
They played one half. Second half they took off.  
rocco8112 : 10/13/2018 3:54 pm : link
The idea that the offense sucking absolves the defense for its shit play is a loser's mentality. Offense gave the team the lead against Carolina with a minute to go, how did that work out?

Giants have not been dominated in TOP this year, the idea the defense is tired does not hold water. They just are not that good. Is the offensive ineptitude the reason for the horrid special teams too?
Long answer, yes.  
RottenApple : 10/13/2018 3:57 pm : link
Short answer, yes.
RE: Who  
section125 : 10/13/2018 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14126533 EJJ said:
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are the players in question I was well past a six pack by the 4th. I'm thinking Apple, Jenkins?


Jenkins yes, Apple no. Jenkins was flat out awful. Apple got beat a couple times, but played. Of course, Jenkins had two very questionable PIs called on him (on accepted) so probably deflated him some. But He seemed to be trailing his guy all night.
At the beginning of the second half  
CT Charlie : 10/13/2018 4:32 pm : link
the D looked listless. They rebounded a bit when the O made a couple of plays. Truth is, it would be REALLY hard to give 100% when the offense keeps going 3 and out, especially on a Thursday.
I saw some of the Jax Jaguars  
Y.A. : 10/13/2018 5:03 pm : link
Third preseason game and the intensity of their defense was shocking. As in, unlike us, they were swarming all over the ball and ball carrier on every play. Couldn't help but wonder why we don't, or can't, seem to do this.

I haven't been watching a lot of other teams lately so I didn't have much for comparison purposes. Then, after Aikman weighed in during the third quarter, I said, Aha.

Don't know if it's quit, coaching, talent or some combination of the three but with the exception of a few players, my sense is that our intensity is just not there.
RE: They've been playing with high effort game in/out  
lecky : 10/13/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14126512 RAIN said:
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I think it being a Thursday game, did have an impact on the group.


Why do people continue to try and make excuses for this disaster of an organization? They quit on Thursdays, they quit on Sundays and wait till Monday. Right after Eli fumbles or throws an interception. They will quit again
RE: Thats what I saw  
NYDCBlue : 10/13/2018 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14126536 TMS said:
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late in the game. Never saw that before for a Giant defense even in our worst years. They never quit on TC, even when things got bleak but that was my impression. Bad, bad news if this is the type of team we have now.


How the hell did you guys remain sentient throughout the completion of this game?

To quote recent testimony, I didn't blackout...I just fell asleep.....
They were winded  
upstatenyg : 10/13/2018 5:23 pm : link
I was at the game, and they looked like panting dogs.

Apple ducks - Jenkins was pouting after he had a flag thrown on him, and never recovered like he was making a point.

Collins and Snacks played with full effort.

there were drives where the offense was done in 30 seconds off the game clock, and then Philly took 10 min.
Game plan was...........?  
Bluesbreaker : 10/13/2018 5:27 pm : link
Out the window once it got to 14-3
They stopped running the ball .
With no TE they have to get Lattimer involved even if it's
shorter stuff just get some positive yards he can't be your
#2 WR and get only 3 throws his way all game long .
If he gets involved it will force them to not rotate towards
OBJ and pull them out of two high safety .
I still think they should have brought back Jerrell Adams
better than Scott Simonson ...
RE: Did the D quit Thursday  
GMoney : 10/13/2018 5:44 pm : link
First of all they are not nearly as Good as they Fucking think they are, and Yes they Did quit. Looked obvious to me...
Welcome to year 3 of coaching hell  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/13/2018 7:12 pm : link
I don't recall any D quitting on HoF coach Tom Coughlin either, some lost the game by outright no talent sucking.
RE: Welcome to year 3 of coaching hell  
GoBlue6599 : 10/13/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14126819 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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I don't recall any D quitting on HoF coach Tom Coughlin either, some lost the game by outright no talent sucking.

Did you see the last game at Giants stadium When Matt More whipped HOF TC defense.. That D was way worse then thursday
RE: These arent the 1990 giant D players.  
FStubbs : 10/13/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14126565 madgiantscow009 said:
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They have no place pointing fingers.


Some of those 1990s defenses were exposed too when it counted.

When you have an offense that is completely inept, you can play vanilla on offense.
RE: Offense not being able to stay on the field  
Foobarbaz : 10/13/2018 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14126523 Rflairr said:
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is going to take a toll on a defense. No one quit.


Yeah Barkley gatta stop hitting home runes so the defense can rest. If only he wasnt so fast and powerful he would go down more. I expect he will only get better so defense will never rest, as soon as offense on the field...2-3 plays and Barkley is gone. Defense be like damn give us a break LOL
No ...  
Beer Man : 10/13/2018 7:51 pm : link
they just didn't show up
Look...the defense isn't that good anyway  
Jimmy Googs : 10/13/2018 8:00 pm : link
but anybody on Offense other than Barkely right now is depressing to watch.

If the D quit then its up to the coaches/FO to make it right...
Don t like to question effort  
joeinpa : 10/13/2018 8:40 pm : link
Sometimes poor play looks like quitting when it can be just a lack of confidence
Yep  
BlueHurricane : 10/13/2018 8:41 pm : link
They did
Agree with Beer Man  
Reb8thVA : 10/13/2018 9:51 pm : link
They didn’t quit. They didn’t show up. They were putrid from the begining
This season parallels  
Doomster : 10/13/2018 9:53 pm : link
so close to last season.....the defense lost it's edge when the offense became hopeless.....the same is happening this year....
As I recall - the pre-Taylor era Defenses  
Pete in CO : 10/14/2018 1:49 am : link
...of the 70s & early 80s provided the only real identity for the NYG. Our D unit was always tough, and kept them in games - sometimes. The offensive side of the ball was a myriad of names that never gave us any sustained success. Rob Carpenter was the first player in years to give them a jolt on offense.

The NYG of today has seemingly more talent on both sides of the ball than those days, but neither the O nor the D unit gives the NYG any more identity than the other. Barkley and Beckham can change that, but they alone haven’t been enough thus far to change a losing culture that keeps growing. Eli says all the right things and offers the road map to success, but is losing his ability to execute. The entire team lacks cohesion and single purpose - playing for each other.
First half the D did play with effort  
micky : 10/14/2018 3:45 am : link
2nd half they made "business decisions" Lack of effort
First half the D did play with effort  
micky : 10/14/2018 3:45 am : link
2nd half they made "business decisions" Lack of effort
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