Have been watching him today. I’m no scout but I like what I see. There seems to be something special about him. He’s pretty accurate , definitely has the arm strength and has a good feel in the pocket. 6’6, 230 pounds and looks to be a really good athlete. We’ll see what Sy’56 and the experts say!
Please start Tanney so that we get this guy. He will look awesome throwing the ball down to 13, 87 and 88
That’s 95% of college football
Baker did it.
Pretty much how the college game is played nowadays.
He’s going to need time to get adjusted to pro ball though.. everything is out of shotgun, 1 read, simple offensive system.
That’s bullshit. He’s made plenty of throws on secondary reads and moving around the pocket
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Not a fan of QBs that play in spread offenses like that
That’s bullshit. He’s made plenty of throws on secondary reads and moving around the pocket
It’s not bullshit. Watch the game. It’s not even debatable
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Not a fan of QBs that play in spread offenses like that
That’s bullshit. He’s made plenty of throws on secondary reads and moving around the pocket
It’s not bullshit. Watch the game. It’s not even debatable
I have watched the game. If you think he’s only completed throws or made plays on one read and throwing then I’d suggest that you are the one that needs to watch the damn game
Ahh breath in the air and drink a different type of kool-aid.
That’s not what I’ve been watching either. I’m not ready to call him the first pick in the draft yet, but he is in no way a one read QB.
But watching him with a little pressure in his face, is questionable. And with our offensive line...
Ahh breath in the air and drink a different type of kool-aid.
How’s the 4-19 kool aid with the current qb situation working for you? Good, you enjoying this?
I was skeptical of Herbert as well at first, but this guy can play.
Should be Giants just stay the current course??
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Not a fan of QBs that play in spread offenses like that
Baker did it.
Mahomes too
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Someone saw a college QB and BBI has decided he is the next QB of the Giants. Not just that but he'll be a #1 pick so the Giants had best lose the rest of the season. And don't say anything negative or you'be attacked.
Ahh breath in the air and drink a different type of kool-aid.
How’s the 4-19 kool aid with the current qb situation working for you? Good, you enjoying this?
I was skeptical of Herbert as well at first, but this guy can play.
Should be Giants just stay the current course??
Just a remark on the fickle nature of BBI and how others should follow or take shit. Thanks for making my point.
The kid has a freak arm. Would like to see a little touch in some of his throws. Very accurate.
Interested in seeing Grier from WVA tonight. I really don’t care about height concerns as long as the head, athleticism, and arm check out.
As far as being concerned about spread offenses, we are just going to have to get over it. It’s already changing the NFL and Schurmur used tons of spread concepts in Minnesota last year.
The kid has a freak arm. Would like to see a little touch in some of his throws. Very accurate.
I think Elway and any scouts there today were there for a twofor. Browning is pretty good too and is a four year starter. The knock on him was he doesn't have a rocket arm but his arm is plenty strong enough IMO.
I think both guys are Pros.
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John Elway was scouting him today. I could see his horse teeth way up in the luxury box. He was salivating.
The kid has a freak arm. Would like to see a little touch in some of his throws. Very accurate.
I think Elway and any scouts there today were there for a twofor. Browning is pretty good too and is a four year starter. The knock on him was he doesn't have a rocket arm but his arm is plenty strong enough IMO.
I think both guys are Pros.
The Washington QB is a backup in the NFL imo
The kid has a freak arm. Would like to see a little touch in some of his throws. Very accurate.
LMAO about Elways teeth
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John Elway was scouting him today. I could see his horse teeth way up in the luxury box. He was salivating.
The kid has a freak arm. Would like to see a little touch in some of his throws. Very accurate.
I think Elway and any scouts there today were there for a twofor. Browning is pretty good too and is a four year starter. The knock on him was he doesn't have a rocket arm but his arm is plenty strong enough IMO.
I think both guys are Pros.
Nobody was there for Jake Browning
In 6 games he has a 63.4 completion %, 1613 yards, 17 TDs and 5 INTs. He also has 120 yards rushing and a rushing TD. Just beat the 7th ranked team in the nation. There's a reason the Giants have sent people to scout him in 4 games out of 6 this year.
Washington has a very good defense also.
The defense can actually never really make “the right read” on the read option. It’s on the offense too, and the defense can really only hope the offense makes the wrong one. That’s why it’s so dangerous inside the 10.
hahaha
He’s going to need time to get adjusted to pro ball though.. everything is out of shotgun, 1 read, simple offensive system.
Last year his coach stated that he hoped to see more leadership from Herbert. If the Giants take him I hope he developed in that department, because this crew of numbskulls needs some leadership.
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Someone saw a college QB and BBI has decided he is the next QB of the Giants. Not just that but he'll be a #1 pick so the Giants had best lose the rest of the season. And don't say anything negative or you'be attacked.
Ahh breath in the air and drink a different type of kool-aid.
How’s the 4-19 kool aid with the current qb situation working for you? Good, you enjoying this?
I was skeptical of Herbert as well at first, but this guy can play.
Should be Giants just stay the current course??
Just a remark on the fickle nature of BBI and how others should follow or take shit. Thanks for making my point.
Great, the fickle fans that actually watch college football and have a valid opinion should just stop discussing ways to improve the future giants roster. Let’s stay the course, seems to be working great, not Cleveland Browns like at all.
If you bothered to pay attention over the past year, there’s actually been a lot of good debate and discourse over prospective future Giants qbs. Should we simply stop discussing to please your wishes?
- BBI Mouthbreathers Club
Which he will. He just turned 20 years old in March. He was 18 when he started his first college game.
For comparison Eli was older then when he started his 1st college game then Herbert is starting his 22nd college game. Herbert will get drafted & be around 26 months younger then Eli was when he got drafted.
Just shows how talented Herbert is. Starting at a very good school like Oregon as a teenager. Will most likely be finished playing there before he turns 21 years old. That's absurd.
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John Elway was scouting him today. I could see his horse teeth way up in the luxury box. He was salivating.
The kid has a freak arm. Would like to see a little touch in some of his throws. Very accurate.
I think Elway and any scouts there today were there for a twofor. Browning is pretty good too and is a four year starter. The knock on him was he doesn't have a rocket arm but his arm is plenty strong enough IMO.
I think both guys are Pros.
Nobody was there for Jake Browning
And you know this how?
I'm not saying they were there because of him but they sure as heck were taking advantage of seeing him play today as all.
Lol is this for real? Is he Lamar Jackson? Absolutely not but that’s just a lazy statement. Guess that second touchdown never happened 🙄
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John Elway was scouting him today. I could see his horse teeth way up in the luxury box. He was salivating.
The kid has a freak arm. Would like to see a little touch in some of his throws. Very accurate.
I think Elway and any scouts there today were there for a twofor. Browning is pretty good too and is a four year starter. The knock on him was he doesn't have a rocket arm but his arm is plenty strong enough IMO.
I think both guys are Pros.
Nobody was there for Jake Browning
Nobody was there for Jake Browning?
Is that right, genius?
Holy shit.
Uh, wtf? One of the things he’s known for is his mobility.
Kerry Collins? I think you’re watching the wrong guy.
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But he is not that mobile, does not move around the Pocket well. To me, I see Kerry Collins,
Uh, wtf? One of the things he’s known for is his mobility.
Kerry Collins? I think you’re watching the wrong guy.
He moves fairly well for a guy his size. But he does not have the agility of a Wentz or Mahomes. So compared to Eli he is very mobile but compared to some of the other young QBs he really isn’t. Mayfield is much more mobile.
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Someone saw a college QB and BBI has decided he is the next QB of the Giants. Not just that but he'll be a #1 pick so the Giants had best lose the rest of the season. And don't say anything negative or you'be attacked.
Ahh breath in the air and drink a different type of kool-aid.
How’s the 4-19 kool aid with the current qb situation working for you? Good, you enjoying this?
I was skeptical of Herbert as well at first, but this guy can play.
Should be Giants just stay the current course??
Just a remark on the fickle nature of BBI and how others should follow or take shit. Thanks for making my point.
Great, the fickle fans that actually watch college football and have a valid opinion should just stop discussing ways to improve the future giants roster. Let’s stay the course, seems to be working great, not Cleveland Browns like at all.
If you bothered to pay attention over the past year, there’s actually been a lot of good debate and discourse over prospective future Giants qbs. Should we simply stop discussing to please your wishes?
Look I didn't mean to put your knickers in a twist and you are missing my point. Most of that good debate was not good. It was repeated 100 times often in multiple threads a day. It was repetition by two entrenched sides. Nowhere in my post did I state that things were good or we should stay the course. You inferred that because you want this to be an argument until it becomes something to mock and therefore ignore.
My point is that this thread is putting forth a player that they feel would be the next franchise QB of the Giants. The combine is 4 months away, draft is 6 months away and half of the college season has to be played. Its a little early to project who should be the pick. How many first round QBs were a bust in the NFL? I heard something like 50%. I bet the consensus was they were all 'can't miss prospects' like Ryan Leaf. Yet some can sit in front of a TV watch a few, or many, games and can state that this guy will be a good NFL QB. Really? Who is selling the Kool-aid? The simple fact is that they DO NOT KNOW who will become an elite QB or who will fail. Nor does anyone in the Giants front office or on this board and yet posts on this thread and others are drawing lines in the sand and looking to fight anyone who disagrees.
The Giants have sucked as a team so far this year. It will probably be for the entire year and maybe next year too so put your big boy pants on. I am not happy with that nor am I demanding coaches and GMs to be fired just because I'm pissed at the teams performance. I believe that the biggest issue is that Reese left this team bereft of depth and talent in many areas. It will take at least 2-3 years to correct. 99% of this board (including me) are ill equipped to give absolutes on how to fix it. We know we need a new franchise QB and an o-line and...... But who are these players? What round to draft them? Or which free agents and how much to pay? But this does not stop this board from spewing forth opinions as absolutes and then vitriolically defending them.
I have 'paid attention' and there is too much tiresome mindless argument, not debate. I love when people with 'valid opinions' debate issues intelligently and multiple views should be welcome. But remember many of them are just that - opinions not facts. They should be treated as opinions not defended as facts with insults added.
Please spare me, Herbert needs work, Haskins is the better prospect, he can read defenses, go through multiple progressions has a cannon arm with accuracy and doesn't get jittery in the face of a pass rush. I like Herbert but the one read and throw offense, locking on and staring down the reciever he's throwing to and his happy trigger when the pass rush is bearing downon him, he'll get exposed like Darnold.
Just shows how talented Herbert is. Starting at a very good school like Oregon as a teenager. Will most likely be finished playing there before he turns 21 years old. That's absurd.
This dude is definitely NOT wentz lmao! First off Wentz came outta a prostyle NFL type system, where he had to learn to read defenses and make adjustment. Herbert plays in a gimmick one read offense where he's either in the pistol or shotgun set. He has good arm strength and is decently accurate, but he is in no way Wentz. You might wanna do more scouting before throwing out dumb ass comparisons.
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But he is not that mobile, does not move around the Pocket well. To me, I see Kerry Collins,
Uh, wtf? One of the things he’s known for is his mobility.
Kerry Collins? I think you’re watching the wrong guy.
Really what QB are you watching kid runs like Kapernink,he’s a long strider and that’s what he’s known for SMH
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But he is not that mobile, does not move around the Pocket well. To me, I see Kerry Collins,
Uh, wtf? One of the things he’s known for is his mobility.
Kerry Collins? I think you’re watching the wrong guy.
Really what QB are you watching kid runs like Kapernink,he’s a long strider and that’s what he’s known for SMH
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But he is not that mobile, does not move around the Pocket well. To me, I see Kerry Collins,
Uh, wtf? One of the things he’s known for is his mobility.
Kerry Collins? I think you’re watching the wrong guy.
Really what QB are you watching kid runs like Kapernink,he’s a long strider and that’s what he’s known for SMH
Did you see the game today? Have you seen Wentz Mahomes and Russell Wilson? Do you think he moves like they do? Trust your eyes not reports.
He is a very intriguing prospect and he
Might go number one. But if you are expecting him to be a Super
Mobile QB in the NFL, you are sadly mistaken
451 yards
3.3 ypc
Darnold: 64.9% 7,229 yds 8.5 y/a 8.7 ay/a 57:22 TD:INT (2.6:1 TD:INT)
Allen: 56.2% 5,066 7.8 y/a 7.7 ay/a 44:21 TD:INT (2.1:1 TD:INT)
Rosen: 60.9% 9,340 8.0 y/a 8.0 ay/a 59:26 TD:INT (2.3:1 TD:INT)
Herbert: 65.2% 5,330 8.9 y/a 9.5 ay/a 49:14 TD:INT (3.5:1 TD:INT)
Obviously different offenses and competition, which can be drastic in CFB, but statistically Herbert is a clear 2nd behind only Mayfield. I'm guessing Football Outsider's QBASE system will love him. For reference, here are the top 10 QBASE projections from 1997-2018:
Philip Rivers
Carson Palmer
Donovan McNabb
Baker Mayfield
Russell Wilson
Peyton Manning
Marcus Mariota
Byron Leftwich
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Not perfect, but hitting on 7 of 9 (too early for Mayfield, Leftwich/Mariota the misses) is exceptionally good. IIRC, 10-15% of 1st round QBs become consistent starters (start at least 50% of the games in their career). The 7 hits on this list were/are multiple time pro bowlers.
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Haskins: 71.4% 2,484 yds 9.7 y/a 11.1 ay/a 29:5 TD:INT (5.8:1 TD:INT)
Much smaller sample size with Haskins, especially relative to Mayfield, but his numbers are off the charts! Grier would also statistically rank ahead of the Darnold/Rosen/Allen trio.
Not sure if this is serious...
I mean if we are going by stats, McKenzie Milton should be a top 5 pick.
It means the qb is ready cam newton does some thing. Phillip Rivers lifts his leg. Holy cow the nitpicking is here. The kid is the goods he can make any pass, moves around when he needs to and can take a hit. Every qb is a system qb. How’s texas tech for qbs? Pretty good so Mahomes should never of been drafted then? Everyone is putting him in Canton right now.
I said it before and say again. Solder was about as big of a mistake as DV could have made. Reese passing on Whitworth and Cam Robinson could have made the line at least functional. Other than Maybe Hernandez and a bigger maybe in Wheeler who really has a future on the OL last this year or next. Solder is here due to his contract but he looks just as bad as the rest
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The OL so atrociously bad that it really doesn't matter who the QB is. We really need to get the OL at least up to midling before throwing a new QB out there, lest we create David Carr 2.0. Even if we draft a stud QB in April, expect him to sit for a year behind Eli, because I doubt there is enough draft capital or FA to fix the OL and Draft a QB #1 next year.
I said it before and say again. Solder was about as big of a mistake as DV could have made. Reese passing on Whitworth and Cam Robinson could have made the line at least functional. Other than Maybe Hernandez and a bigger maybe in Wheeler who really has a future on the OL last this year or next. Solder is here due to his contract but he looks just as bad as the rest
Funny, cause PFF has Solder as an above average LT this year. He is right around 68.0 for the season. Hernandez is 76. Everyone else is below 55. So Solder doesn't seem to be the problem nor just as bad as everyone else. The others beside Solder and Hernandez are the problems. So not a mistake cause imagine the Giants still rolling out Ereck Flowers and his 53 at LT.
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bust written all over him. Cant stand that offense either. Watching him clap before the snap like that makes him look like a system QB
It means the qb is ready cam newton does some thing. Phillip Rivers lifts his leg. Holy cow the nitpicking is here. The kid is the goods he can make any pass, moves around when he needs to and can take a hit. Every qb is a system qb. How’s texas tech for qbs? Pretty good so Mahomes should never of been drafted then? Everyone is putting him in Canton right now.
Take it easy, just my opinion. He looks mechanical. Its not exactly crazy not to like QBs from that offense either. We’ll see.
not sure he is the type that can come in and play right
away. You might need a stopgap QB with him for a year or two, like a Bridgewater type. Not saying Bridgewater
per se, saying somebody like that for a year or two.
I have seen more of Haskins, big kid, big arm,
but leery of kids that may want to come into the draft too early.
He is RS sophomore, and hasn't had a lot of experience yet at the college level. Good potential,
I thought it was weird for example that the Bears went up
in the draft to take that kid, Trubisky, based on 13 starts in college.
We'll see on him, but just personally a bit leery.
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The OL so atrociously bad that it really doesn't matter who the QB is. We really need to get the OL at least up to midling before throwing a new QB out there, lest we create David Carr 2.0. Even if we draft a stud QB in April, expect him to sit for a year behind Eli, because I doubt there is enough draft capital or FA to fix the OL and Draft a QB #1 next year.
I said it before and say again. Solder was about as big of a mistake as DV could have made. Reese passing on Whitworth and Cam Robinson could have made the line at least functional. Other than Maybe Hernandez and a bigger maybe in Wheeler who really has a future on the OL last this year or next. Solder is here due to his contract but he looks just as bad as the rest
Funny, cause PFF has Solder as an above average LT this year. He is right around 68.0 for the season. Hernandez is 76. Everyone else is below 55. So Solder doesn't seem to be the problem nor just as bad as everyone else. The others beside Solder and Hernandez are the problems. So not a mistake cause imagine the Giants still rolling out Ereck Flowers and his 53 at LT.
That's why PFF should be used as a gauge, Solder has allowed five sacks, a few holding calls.
He hasn't played a 'clean' game yet, he has underperformed to this point of the season.
He plays with more talent than any other player not named Tua. He isn’t that mobile and comes from a coach friendly offense. Look beyond stats.
He plays with more talent than any other player not named Tua. He isn’t that mobile and comes from a coach friendly offense. Look beyond stats.
Kyle incoming at 3, 2, 1
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The OL so atrociously bad that it really doesn't matter who the QB is. We really need to get the OL at least up to midling before throwing a new QB out there, lest we create David Carr 2.0. Even if we draft a stud QB in April, expect him to sit for a year behind Eli, because I doubt there is enough draft capital or FA to fix the OL and Draft a QB #1 next year.
I said it before and say again. Solder was about as big of a mistake as DV could have made. Reese passing on Whitworth and Cam Robinson could have made the line at least functional. Other than Maybe Hernandez and a bigger maybe in Wheeler who really has a future on the OL last this year or next. Solder is here due to his contract but he looks just as bad as the rest
Funny, cause PFF has Solder as an above average LT this year. He is right around 68.0 for the season. Hernandez is 76. Everyone else is below 55. So Solder doesn't seem to be the problem nor just as bad as everyone else. The others beside Solder and Hernandez are the problems. So not a mistake cause imagine the Giants still rolling out Ereck Flowers and his 53 at LT.
You lost me at PFF. They suck as bad as our OL. Solder was beaten as bad as Flowers Thursday at times. On the fumble at the goal line he was solely responsible. Was Still In his stance she the DE blew by him. And his contract is another albatross. Ok so he doesn’t suck as bad as Flowers. Great. But spare be the morons at PFF.
Please post a link to thre resumes of who is rating the OLs. If they are legit I’ll admit I’m wrong. And by legit NFL level scouting level. Ex HS coaches. Not on my list of reputable
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The OL so atrociously bad that it really doesn't matter who the QB is. We really need to get the OL at least up to midling before throwing a new QB out there, lest we create David Carr 2.0. Even if we draft a stud QB in April, expect him to sit for a year behind Eli, because I doubt there is enough draft capital or FA to fix the OL and Draft a QB #1 next year.
I said it before and say again. Solder was about as big of a mistake as DV could have made. Reese passing on Whitworth and Cam Robinson could have made the line at least functional. Other than Maybe Hernandez and a bigger maybe in Wheeler who really has a future on the OL last this year or next. Solder is here due to his contract but he looks just as bad as the rest
Funny, cause PFF has Solder as an above average LT this year. He is right around 68.0 for the season. Hernandez is 76. Everyone else is below 55. So Solder doesn't seem to be the problem nor just as bad as everyone else. The others beside Solder and Hernandez are the problems. So not a mistake cause imagine the Giants still rolling out Ereck Flowers and his 53 at LT.
You lost me at PFF. They suck as bad as our OL. Solder was beaten as bad as Flowers Thursday at times. On the fumble at the goal line he was solely responsible. Was Still In his stance she the DE blew by him. And his contract is another albatross. Ok so he doesn’t suck as bad as Flowers. Great. But spare be the morons at PFF.
Please post a link to thre resumes of who is rating the OLs. If they are legit I’ll admit I’m wrong. And by legit NFL level scouting level. Ex HS coaches. Not on my list of reputable
PFF is certainly flawed, but a guy sitting on his couch ridiculing resumes is a bit comical, no? You seem to have a strong opinion on this so I guess you wouldn’t mind sharing your resume as well? We can compare theirs to yours.
I’m not saying you are one of them, I have no idea where you stood on the Solder signing in real time. But I do know that the same people killing Gettleman for signing him would be the same guys ripping him had he not signed him and the OL was this poor. All we’d see is posts like “Great job Gettleman! You could have had Solder but instead decided to ignore the OL again and now look! I guess you thought the OL was good enough so no need to make any changes!”.
I fully expect those people to deny it now, it’s typical. But we all know that’s exactly what we’d be seeing all over this site
(Then again, at least this year we won't have to deal with all the posters who saw nothing but red flags in last year's QB crop, while ignoring all the red flags in the 2017/2018 version of Eli.)
Kerry Collins??
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The OL so atrociously bad that it really doesn't matter who the QB is. We really need to get the OL at least up to midling before throwing a new QB out there, lest we create David Carr 2.0. Even if we draft a stud QB in April, expect him to sit for a year behind Eli, because I doubt there is enough draft capital or FA to fix the OL and Draft a QB #1 next year.
I said it before and say again. Solder was about as big of a mistake as DV could have made. Reese passing on Whitworth and Cam Robinson could have made the line at least functional. Other than Maybe Hernandez and a bigger maybe in Wheeler who really has a future on the OL last this year or next. Solder is here due to his contract but he looks just as bad as the rest
Funny, cause PFF has Solder as an above average LT this year. He is right around 68.0 for the season. Hernandez is 76. Everyone else is below 55. So Solder doesn't seem to be the problem nor just as bad as everyone else. The others beside Solder and Hernandez are the problems. So not a mistake cause imagine the Giants still rolling out Ereck Flowers and his 53 at LT.
You lost me at PFF. They suck as bad as our OL. Solder was beaten as bad as Flowers Thursday at times. On the fumble at the goal line he was solely responsible. Was Still In his stance she the DE blew by him. And his contract is another albatross. Ok so he doesn’t suck as bad as Flowers. Great. But spare be the morons at PFF.
Please post a link to thre resumes of who is rating the OLs. If they are legit I’ll admit I’m wrong. And by legit NFL level scouting level. Ex HS coaches. Not on my list of reputable
PFF is certainly flawed, but a guy sitting on his couch ridiculing resumes is a bit comical, no? You seem to have a strong opinion on this so I guess you wouldn’t mind sharing your resume as well? We can compare theirs to yours.
I’m not saying you are one of them, I have no idea where you stood on the Solder signing in real time. But I do know that the same people killing Gettleman for signing him would be the same guys ripping him had he not signed him and the OL was this poor. All we’d see is posts like “Great job Gettleman! You could have had Solder but instead decided to ignore the OL again and now look! I guess you thought the OL was good enough so no need to make any changes!”.
I fully expect those people to deny it now, it’s typical. But we all know that’s exactly what we’d be seeing all over this site
Well said...but thats coming from a fan of the signing haha
another big statue. No thanks.
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Not sure if this is serious...
Vanzetti sees something maybe he needs to check his eyes poor guy
I mean if we are going by stats, McKenzie Milton should be a top 5 pick.
Some skillsets translate (at least to a degree) to the NFL, most notably completion %. It's why many wanted nothing to do with Josh Allen and why he'd be an anomaly if he turns into a starting caliber QB, let alone a top 10 guy.
And there are some statistical based methodologies like QBASE that have demonstrated some success in identifying pro-prospects.
(Then again, at least this year we won't have to deal with all the posters who saw nothing but red flags in last year's QB crop, while ignoring all the red flags in the 2017/2018 version of Eli.)
Yup selective focusinh
yeah I call bullshit on this. There are a lot of teams in the league with a shitty OL. You can absolutely take other QBs in the league and put them on this team. No, the would not "flourish" because the line is bad. However, they would find a way to move the chains more than we do right now. They would be able to make that first guy miss to find an open WR more than what we are seeing now. It would not be perfect, but to say it does not matter who the QB is ... bullshit.
All you need to do is look at the handful of plays this year when Shurmur rolled Eli out of the pocket. He actually made a high percentage of those plays. People here asked where those plays have been over the past few years. Well, that is what you would get if you had someone who felt more comfortable moving out of the pocket under duress. Another QB (Not all of them) would be able to do that and create something out of nothing when the line is falling apart.
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The OL so atrociously bad that it really doesn't matter who the QB is.
yeah I call bullshit on this. There are a lot of teams in the league with a shitty OL. .
Yeah I call bullshit on this too. There might be a few teams with bad OLine play but there were many QBs, many immobile..... who drink tea while waiting to throw. I ddidnt see many unaccounted defenders breaking free. I didn’t see as many whiffs by OL.
It’s ok to acknowledge that our QB is done AND we might possibly have the worst OL in the league.
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Pick. Not even close. Maybe next year. But he struggled mightily against PSU. His stats were inflated because they took screens for huge chunk of yards. Throwing for big yards against Minnesota, Indiana, Rutgers isn’t worthy of even noting.
He plays with more talent than any other player not named Tua. He isn’t that mobile and comes from a coach friendly offense. Look beyond stats.
Kyle incoming at 3, 2, 1
:)
What'd you think of his game against Minnesota?
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The OL so atrociously bad that it really doesn't matter who the QB is.
yeah I call bullshit on this. There are a lot of teams in the league with a shitty OL. .
Yeah I call bullshit on this too. There might be a few teams with bad OLine play but there were many QBs, many immobile..... who drink tea while waiting to throw. I ddidnt see many unaccounted defenders breaking free. I didn’t see as many whiffs by OL.
It’s ok to acknowledge that our QB is done AND we might possibly have the worst OL in the league.
Dep my point which you chose to ignore is that I disagree with the notion that "an QB would such on this team right now". It is bullshit and you know it.
People want to keep saying this and it just simply isnt true.
Herbert is the ultimate, I dont want to say risk, but lets say unknown. Size, mobility, arm strength, good attitude, etc. Everything measureable wise he has.
The question is can he translate that to success in the NFL. If we get him, lets keep our fingers cross.
I tend to agree with you on Haskins probably needing another year too. I do think he has first round talent. The only thing he's really lacking is elite athleticism and mobility. Great arm talent. But he's so inexperienced it's tough to imagine him making the leap already. But some big games coming up to get a better feel for him.
People want to keep saying this and it just simply isnt true.
This is inaccurate. The Titans gave up 11 sacks yesterday, the browns almost got Baker killed. The O-line play in the Bills-Texans game was atrocious. The broncos O-line is bad, so is the packers, so is the Seahawks, so is the Colts. O-line play in the Cardinals-Vikings game was pitiful. Shall I go on?
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I quoted it. There arent a lot of bad OLines in the league. There's actually quite a lot of good ones. NFL is on pace to break all kinds of records this year.
People want to keep saying this and it just simply isnt true.
This is inaccurate. The Titans gave up 11 sacks yesterday, the browns almost got Baker killed. The O-line play in the Bills-Texans game was atrocious. The broncos O-line is bad, so is the packers, so is the Seahawks, so is the Colts. O-line play in the Cardinals-Vikings game was pitiful. Shall I go on?
Titans have 2 all-pros on their roster. Their "mobile QB" just likes to hold the ball and cant read a defense.
Cleveland's OL is not bad whatsoever. They may have had a bad game.
Keenum was sacked twice and threw for 322 yards in 24 minutes.
Packers OL was bad yesterday? Hmmm...
See I love when people say Seattles OL is bad. Yesterday 155 yards rushing. The week before 190, the week before that 171, the week before that...114
So is that bad OL play? Or do we refuse to watch games?
Colts, Cardinals, Bills - yes have bad OLs. Two of them start rookie QBs and the colts well are the colts.
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I quoted it. There arent a lot of bad OLines in the league. There's actually quite a lot of good ones. NFL is on pace to break all kinds of records this year.
People want to keep saying this and it just simply isnt true.
This is inaccurate. The Titans gave up 11 sacks yesterday, the browns almost got Baker killed. The O-line play in the Bills-Texans game was atrocious. The broncos O-line is bad, so is the packers, so is the Seahawks, so is the Colts. O-line play in the Cardinals-Vikings game was pitiful. Shall I go on?
Titans have 2 all-pros on their roster. Their "mobile QB" just likes to hold the ball and cant read a defense.
Cleveland's OL is not bad whatsoever. They may have had a bad game.
Keenum was sacked twice and threw for 322 yards in 24 minutes.
Packers OL was bad yesterday? Hmmm...
See I love when people say Seattles OL is bad. Yesterday 155 yards rushing. The week before 190, the week before that 171, the week before that...114
So is that bad OL play? Or do we refuse to watch games?
Colts, Cardinals, Bills - yes have bad OLs. Two of them start rookie QBs and the colts well are the colts.
Just like an OL can have a bad game, they can have a decent game as well, which the Broncos o-line did. This is why I didn't specify game for the Broncos or packers.
I like Lewan and Conklin, and I don't disagree that Mariotta holds the ball too long, I'll even go as far to say he sucks, but the o-line play was really bad yesterday. There has also been very limited running room all year.
The Seahawks stay committed to the run. Brian Schottenheimer is an awful OC, but I'll say that about them.
Overall OL play has not been good.
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Pick. Not even close. Maybe next year. But he struggled mightily against PSU. His stats were inflated because they took screens for huge chunk of yards. Throwing for big yards against Minnesota, Indiana, Rutgers isn’t worthy of even noting.
He plays with more talent than any other player not named Tua. He isn’t that mobile and comes from a coach friendly offense. Look beyond stats.
Kyle incoming at 3, 2, 1
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What'd you think of his game against Minnesota?
Looked really good. Damn good. Accuracy was on point.