Justin Herbert - Oregon

In comment 14128998 Kyle in NY said:

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from Herbert. Made some really impressive throws including a few on the move with zip and accuracy. There's a lot of upside and untapped potential as well considering how young he is. The talent is evident. Still a ways to go but he could certainly be our guy

Herbert is the ultimate, I dont want to say risk, but lets say unknown. Size, mobility, arm strength, good attitude, etc. Everything measureable wise he has.

The question is can he translate that to success in the NFL. If we get him, lets keep our fingers cross.

there really are no questions talent wise. But there's just so much unknown in the drafting of a QB. Guys that seem to have it all often just don't translate to the pros. And the evaluation of these QBs is only getting more and more difficult with how efficiently college offenses are run, providing easy reads for QB.

I tend to agree with you on Haskins probably needing another year too. I do think he has first round talent. The only thing he's really lacking is elite athleticism and mobility. Great arm talent. But he's so inexperienced it's tough to imagine him making the leap already. But some big games coming up to get a better feel for him.

In comment 14128992 dep026 said:

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I quoted it. There arent a lot of bad OLines in the league. There's actually quite a lot of good ones. NFL is on pace to break all kinds of records this year. People want to keep saying this and it just simply isnt true.

This is inaccurate. The Titans gave up 11 sacks yesterday, the browns almost got Baker killed. The O-line play in the Bills-Texans game was atrocious. The broncos O-line is bad, so is the packers, so is the Seahawks, so is the Colts. O-line play in the Cardinals-Vikings game was pitiful. Shall I go on?

In comment 14129059 Gmen88 said:

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In comment 14128992 dep026 said: Quote: I quoted it. There arent a lot of bad OLines in the league. There's actually quite a lot of good ones. NFL is on pace to break all kinds of records this year. People want to keep saying this and it just simply isnt true. This is inaccurate. The Titans gave up 11 sacks yesterday, the browns almost got Baker killed. The O-line play in the Bills-Texans game was atrocious. The broncos O-line is bad, so is the packers, so is the Seahawks, so is the Colts. O-line play in the Cardinals-Vikings game was pitiful. Shall I go on?

Titans have 2 all-pros on their roster. Their "mobile QB" just likes to hold the ball and cant read a defense.

Cleveland's OL is not bad whatsoever. They may have had a bad game.
Keenum was sacked twice and threw for 322 yards in 24 minutes.
Packers OL was bad yesterday? Hmmm...

See I love when people say Seattles OL is bad. Yesterday 155 yards rushing. The week before 190, the week before that 171, the week before that...114

So is that bad OL play? Or do we refuse to watch games?

Colts, Cardinals, Bills - yes have bad OLs. Two of them start rookie QBs and the colts well are the colts.

In comment 14129077 dep026 said:

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In comment 14129059 Gmen88 said: Quote: In comment 14128992 dep026 said: Quote: I quoted it. There arent a lot of bad OLines in the league. There's actually quite a lot of good ones. NFL is on pace to break all kinds of records this year. People want to keep saying this and it just simply isnt true. This is inaccurate. The Titans gave up 11 sacks yesterday, the browns almost got Baker killed. The O-line play in the Bills-Texans game was atrocious. The broncos O-line is bad, so is the packers, so is the Seahawks, so is the Colts. O-line play in the Cardinals-Vikings game was pitiful. Shall I go on? Titans have 2 all-pros on their roster. Their "mobile QB" just likes to hold the ball and cant read a defense. Cleveland's OL is not bad whatsoever. They may have had a bad game. Keenum was sacked twice and threw for 322 yards in 24 minutes. Packers OL was bad yesterday? Hmmm... See I love when people say Seattles OL is bad. Yesterday 155 yards rushing. The week before 190, the week before that 171, the week before that...114 So is that bad OL play? Or do we refuse to watch games? Colts, Cardinals, Bills - yes have bad OLs. Two of them start rookie QBs and the colts well are the colts.

Just like an OL can have a bad game, they can have a decent game as well, which the Broncos o-line did. This is why I didn't specify game for the Broncos or packers.

I like Lewan and Conklin, and I don't disagree that Mariotta holds the ball too long, I'll even go as far to say he sucks, but the o-line play was really bad yesterday. There has also been very limited running room all year.

The Seahawks stay committed to the run. Brian Schottenheimer is an awful OC, but I'll say that about them.

Overall OL play has not been good.

I think he is just as good as Herbert, and will be a good pro too

In comment 14128985 Kyle in NY said:

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In comment 14127485 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14127362 dep026 said: Quote: Pick. Not even close. Maybe next year. But he struggled mightily against PSU. His stats were inflated because they took screens for huge chunk of yards. Throwing for big yards against Minnesota, Indiana, Rutgers isn’t worthy of even noting. He plays with more talent than any other player not named Tua. He isn’t that mobile and comes from a coach friendly offense. Look beyond stats. Kyle incoming at 3, 2, 1 :) What'd you think of his game against Minnesota?

Looked really good. Damn good. Accuracy was on point.