The Giants cut half the roster right before the season started. HALF. That in no way signals a team ready to compete. That was the obvious sign they did not think this team was ready. Can anyone even mention the last time a team acted in this manner?
- Why would they come out and tell everyone they are in a full on rebuild? Who does that benefit? Ok, it appeases our minds. Does that help them sell tickets? Why not let the year play out before announcing you think the team sucks?
- I don't see which signing signaled a "win now". Solder? They had to come away with a notable offensive lineman and no matter who your QB is, it is imperative you have someone at least adequate at left tackle. Yes, he needs to play better. It was still a good signing.
- Why is barely anyone mentioning this upcoming off season is the first time they can easily get out of Eli's contract? If you aren't sure if you're taking a QB (which they weren't at the time of these "win now" quotes before the draft) Why would you come out and say anything besides comments that show confidence in Eli?
- In regards to Eli, what plausible scenarios existed in which they moved on after last off season? a trade? Who was going to trade for Eli?
- Once you realize they could not get rid of him, it also explains why they did not say they were in a rebuild. Can you imagine the media's reaction to an announced rebuild with Eli still on the team? They would have gotten killed.
- Saquon Barkley was the best player in the draft and is already, arguably, the best running back in the league. We know this only 6 games into the season. Not picking a quarterback in the first season of a rebuild is OK. I'd say it looks certain we take a QB in the next 2 drafts. They have the weapons to succeed; the line as we all know needs work. As others have mentioned, Gettleman finds gems on the line.
Andrew Norwell - undrafted (1st team all pro)
Daryl Williams - 4th round pick (2nd team all pro)
Personally, i am excited. I actually think we're approaching the end of this mediocre era. I still like Gettleman and i still like Shurmur. They are not going to put up with bullshit (Hart and Flowers release; Odell fine)
You need to give these guys more than 6 games. I know that is asking a lot. I am not saying fans do not have every right to be annoyed; the team sucks again
bottom line - this organization needs to start drafting well and consistently. Last year was a great start. This regimes defining moment will be who they pick at quarterback.
I needed this positive post.
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In 2004, the O Line had 2 new starters, adding Ohara and Snee to Suebert and Diehl. 2005, brought McKenzie and that was the line that played together for 5 years, until Ohara retired and Baas was signed in 2011 and Kevin Booth took over at LG.
Right now, we have Solder and Hernandez as keepers. We need to see if Wheeler can prove he is a piece of the puzzle, I think he has a shot. Next year a Center and RG need to be brought in. It wouldn't happen in one off season like many have said here.
This team is a rebuilding team. Barkley was the right choice. Next year get your QB.
This team is a rebuilding team. Barkley was the right choice. Next year get your QB.
It could be in 2020 we get our QB. This off-season won't be enough to fill the holes we have.
Despite the public statements from Mara and Gettleman this team was not built to win now. Just look at the roster going forward.
- Quite probably only one of three QBs currently on the roster will be in blue next year.
- Aside from OBJ and Shepherd none of the other WRs are keepers.
- Only Solder and Hernandez are worth keeping as starters.
- Vernon and Carter should be the starting OLB next year, but everyone else at the position is a journeyman.
- Ogletree has been very active in the middle, but Armstrong, Stupar, and Goodson are part timers.
- The secondary really only has one fixture, Collins. Apple overall has played better but his future is uncertain. There is a gaping hole at FS and I expect Jenkins will be traded or be cut for cap reasons.
This team is a patchwork-in-progress. That along with subpar QB play is why they are losing. They are simply NOT built to win consistently.
The OL is an even bigger problem. Solder has not played well enough to justify his contract. Darwin, Omameh, Martin, and Stewart should not have been signed.
Love the draft. Barkley, Hernandez, Carter, and Hill have all contributed, and look like they will for years. Lauletta is probably a backup. McIntosh is an unknown.
The reality of the matter is Gettleman went out and used up 173 out of 177 million in cap space this year, to put a winner on the field.
He trade away a 4th and 6th rd pick for Ogletree, took on his 42 million dollar contract. Signed Beckham to 95 Million, Signed Solder for 62 million, Traded next years 3rd rd pick for Sam Beal, and I've only just begun.
Also here are some quotes from Mara himself about Eli before the season began. Notice if Mara felt like this was a rebuild, or if they were going all in on Eli, and I quote...
“I think he has a cast around him now that maybe we haven’t had for quite a few years. So we do have some expectations this year."
“I feel like we have a roster that’s good enough to be in the postseason if things break our way and we stay healthy,” says Mara, acknowledging he was similarly hopeful last year before it all went wrong. “We have a little different makeup in the locker room right now. I think we’re better prepared to deal with adversity when it comes along. Health is always gonna be the X-factor in the NFL, and if we can stay reasonably healthy, I think we have a chance.”
“I look back at this past offseason: ‘Did we do everything we could have done to put the best possible team on the field?’ And I think we have,” he says.
There ya go....
This is kind of a "you're not breaking up with me, I'm breaking up with you" situation.
The reality of the matter is Gettleman went out and used up 173 out of 177 million in cap space this year, to put a winner on the field.
He trade away a 4th and 6th rd pick for Ogletree, took on his 42 million dollar contract. Signed Beckham to 95 Million, Signed Solder for 62 million, Traded next years 3rd rd pick for Sam Beal, and I've only just begun.
Also here are some quotes from Mara himself about Eli before the season began. Notice if Mara felt like this was a rebuild, or if they were going all in on Eli, and I quote...
“I think he has a cast around him now that maybe we haven’t had for quite a few years. So we do have some expectations this year."
“I feel like we have a roster that’s good enough to be in the postseason if things break our way and we stay healthy,” says Mara, acknowledging he was similarly hopeful last year before it all went wrong. “We have a little different makeup in the locker room right now. I think we’re better prepared to deal with adversity when it comes along. Health is always gonna be the X-factor in the NFL, and if we can stay reasonably healthy, I think we have a chance.”
“I look back at this past offseason: ‘Did we do everything we could have done to put the best possible team on the field?’ And I think we have,” he says.
There ya go....
^^^ this. the OP is simply reverse engineering.
[quote] Because they brought something like 33 new players onto the roster and continued to adjust the final 53 after cut down day.
Despite the public statements from Mara and Gettleman this team was not built to win now. Just look at the roster going forward.
- Quite probably only one of three QBs currently on the roster will be in blue next year.
- Aside from OBJ and Shepherd none of the other WRs are keepers.
- Only Solder and Hernandez are worth keeping as starters.
- Vernon and Carter should be the starting OLB next year, but everyone else at the position is a journeyman.
- Ogletree has been very active in the middle, but Armstrong, Stupar, and Goodson are part timers.
- The secondary really only has one fixture, Collins. Apple overall has played better but his future is uncertain. There is a gaping hole at FS and I expect Jenkins will be traded or be cut for cap reasons.
This team is a patchwork-in-progress. That along with subpar QB play is why they are losing. They are simply NOT built to win consistently. [replace imo
Why cut Jenkins? He wont be easy to replace imo
Is another type of BBI-agendas that go on forever...
This is kind of a "you're not breaking up with me, I'm breaking up with you" situation.
+1 It’s not you it’s me! Costanza
The 'notable offensive lineman' we got stinks so far, and the OL is just as bad or worse than last year.
I get it was a rebuild - and even if they were stupid enough to believe what they publicly said, they get that it's a rebuild now too. But what gives you any confidence that the people in charge should be the ones doing the rebuilding?
Who s right? I don't know, but regardless, it s a rebuild now.
My thought is this, if the Giants took barkley, who’s is a transcendent talent and thought that they will do whatever it takes to get the next franchise qb whether it be in 2019 or 2020, then I think they had a reasonable enough plan. It they thought was we ll throw any average joe (post Eli) next to Barkley, then I think the they made an major mistake. And I tnink they’ll waste Barkley’s talent.
As others have pointed out, I hope this is a Rams like situation.
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but I will say this. We are going to have a top 5 pick next year. We will absolutely have to draft our QB. If we don't, then yeah I will really start to question the front office.
My thought is this, if the Giants took barkley, who’s is a transcendent talent and thought that they will do whatever it takes to get the next franchise qb whether it be in 2019 or 2020, then I think they had a reasonable enough plan. It they thought was we ll throw any average joe (post Eli) next to Barkley, then I think the they made an major mistake. And I tnink they’ll waste Barkley’s talent.
As others have pointed out, I hope this is a Rams like situation.
I agree but right now they basically have an average Joe QB now. If you truly take the emotion out of it, you can honestly list about 20 QBs ahead of Eli right now. Every QB in the league can make an occasional good throw throughout every game.
The question is whether they truly knew that going into the season.
Getting Solder and Stewart. Keeping Eli. Not trading Jenkins.
It's laughable to suggest that because the Gmen got rid of subs they were somehow in a rebuild mode.
No, Gettleman thought he could patch things and make a bet that the 2016 Giants weren't the aberration that they were.
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If you want to keep lying to yourself, that this was always a rebuild from the start, go ahead and do that if it makes you feel better.
The reality of the matter is Gettleman went out and used up 173 out of 177 million in cap space this year, to put a winner on the field.
He trade away a 4th and 6th rd pick for Ogletree, took on his 42 million dollar contract. Signed Beckham to 95 Million, Signed Solder for 62 million, Traded next years 3rd rd pick for Sam Beal, and I've only just begun.
Also here are some quotes from Mara himself about Eli before the season began. Notice if Mara felt like this was a rebuild, or if they were going all in on Eli, and I quote...
“I think he has a cast around him now that maybe we haven’t had for quite a few years. So we do have some expectations this year."
“I feel like we have a roster that’s good enough to be in the postseason if things break our way and we stay healthy,” says Mara, acknowledging he was similarly hopeful last year before it all went wrong. “We have a little different makeup in the locker room right now. I think we’re better prepared to deal with adversity when it comes along. Health is always gonna be the X-factor in the NFL, and if we can stay reasonably healthy, I think we have a chance.”
“I look back at this past offseason: ‘Did we do everything we could have done to put the best possible team on the field?’ And I think we have,” he says.
There ya go....
^^^ this. the OP is simply reverse engineering.
Where’s the rebuttal for cutting half the roster? What contender does that?
His signings haven’t been great. But i will ask -
When is there a bad time to sign an above average left tackle?
How does taking a player in a supplemental draft signal a “win now” move? Where are the quotes saying they didn’t expect him to play much this year?
Agreed - the Giants have scouted Herbert a few times already 🤔
Why is signing an above average tackle in a league with putrid offensive linemen bad for business?
I think many of us knew it wasn't a good signing, he's not Anthony Munoz. But desperation...
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but I will say this. We are going to have a top 5 pick next year. We will absolutely have to draft our QB. If we don't, then yeah I will really start to question the front office.
Agreed - the Giants have scouted Herbert a few times already 🤔
I think bucktooth Elway was at the game too.
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Solder to the richest deal for a LT in league history if you think this is a rebuild. That would just be plain old bad business.
Why is signing an above average tackle in a league with putrid offensive linemen bad for business?
Why couldn't they sign Hubbard and Fulton who are YOUNGER than SOlder.
Are you that thick that you don't understand it would be better to sign TWO pretty good linemen than sign one good lineman and then one bad lineman in Ommameh?
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Solder to the richest deal for a LT in league history if you think this is a rebuild. That would just be plain old bad business.
Why is signing an above average tackle in a league with putrid offensive linemen bad for business?
Slightly above average. Nothing more. Paying those types of players at age 30 is bad for business if you are rebuilding. Paying above average players elite money when they are 30+ is horrible for business if you are rebuilding.
Staying away from players the Patriots are willing to let go is a good rule of thumb. Brady made Solder look better than he actually was.
They didn't have to sign Solder. They needed to be honest with themselves about what this team could be in 2018 and they were not.
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If you want to keep lying to yourself, that this was always a rebuild from the start, go ahead and do that if it makes you feel better.
The reality of the matter is Gettleman went out and used up 173 out of 177 million in cap space this year, to put a winner on the field.
He trade away a 4th and 6th rd pick for Ogletree, took on his 42 million dollar contract. Signed Beckham to 95 Million, Signed Solder for 62 million, Traded next years 3rd rd pick for Sam Beal, and I've only just begun.
Also here are some quotes from Mara himself about Eli before the season began. Notice if Mara felt like this was a rebuild, or if they were going all in on Eli, and I quote...
“I think he has a cast around him now that maybe we haven’t had for quite a few years. So we do have some expectations this year."
“I feel like we have a roster that’s good enough to be in the postseason if things break our way and we stay healthy,” says Mara, acknowledging he was similarly hopeful last year before it all went wrong. “We have a little different makeup in the locker room right now. I think we’re better prepared to deal with adversity when it comes along. Health is always gonna be the X-factor in the NFL, and if we can stay reasonably healthy, I think we have a chance.”
“I look back at this past offseason: ‘Did we do everything we could have done to put the best possible team on the field?’ And I think we have,” he says.
There ya go....
^^^ this. the OP is simply reverse engineering.
Where’s the rebuttal for cutting half the roster? What contender does that?
His signings haven’t been great. But i will ask -
When is there a bad time to sign an above average left tackle?
How does taking a player in a supplemental draft signal a “win now” move? Where are the quotes saying they didn’t expect him to play much this year?
The cut the guys who sucked and kept the good ones...
Oh wait...
I guess they should have cut another 9 or 10 guys...
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Solder to the richest deal for a LT in league history if you think this is a rebuild. That would just be plain old bad business.
Why is signing an above average tackle in a league with putrid offensive linemen bad for business?
Slightly above average. Nothing more. Paying those types of players at age 30 is bad for business if you are rebuilding. Paying above average players elite money when they are 30+ is horrible for business if you are rebuilding.
Staying away from players the Patriots are willing to let go is a good rule of thumb. Brady made Solder look better than he actually was.
The Patriots wanted to keep him and supposedly made him a good offer but the Giants came in too high...
look, in most circumstances i would agree. But given the state of this team and the state of the offensive line over the last 8 years, i don't have a problem with trying to solve left tackle for 3-5 years. He needs to pick up a his play, but he's still grading out as above average with PFF (not the be all end all of course)
much. A lot of pc talk, they probably had to publically say nice things about manning as he had to start at least this year while knowing they had to find his replacement.
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In comment 14127097 MookGiants said:
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Solder to the richest deal for a LT in league history if you think this is a rebuild. That would just be plain old bad business.
Why is signing an above average tackle in a league with putrid offensive linemen bad for business?
Slightly above average. Nothing more. Paying those types of players at age 30 is bad for business if you are rebuilding. Paying above average players elite money when they are 30+ is horrible for business if you are rebuilding.
Staying away from players the Patriots are willing to let go is a good rule of thumb. Brady made Solder look better than he actually was.
The Patriots wanted to keep him and supposedly made him a good offer but the Giants came in too high...
look, in most circumstances i would agree. But given the state of this team and the state of the offensive line over the last 8 years, i don't have a problem with trying to solve left tackle for 3-5 years. He needs to pick up a his play, but he's still grading out as above average with PFF (not the be all end all of course)
Why not use all the money spent on Solder and Omameh and Stewart to sign one young pretty good takcle and one good cetner or guard?
Why sign Eli?
Nooooo-- you don't go overpay to the extreme the G-Men did for AN OLDER LT in Solder. You're making it up.
Gmen could have went after Hubbard.