Mara is the problem and it isn't going to change any time soon. I really hope he sells
Oh yeah... LOL The franchise has been a cash cow the Mara family for a century and the next few generations of Mara's will never have to worry about money.
Maybe you should check Craigslist daily to see if the Giants are for sale. Let me know... I will split the down payment with you.
The arguments against taking Barkley do not hold up.Barkley is an unbelievable talent.Likely the best running back the Giants have ever had.The Giants will have a chance to take a QB as good or better than Darnold and without Rosen's history of injury in April or May. The real problem with the Giants off season was the use of free agency.That is not on the owners.
Hope that it was the Mara mandate rather then Shurmer/Gettleman deciding after looking at Manning's performance the last few years, that Manning should be the QB.
Hope that it was the Mara mandate rather then Shurmer/Gettleman deciding after looking at Manning's performance the last few years, that Manning should be the QB.
LOL, I never thought of it that way but you're right, at least that way you'd know they weren't that far off.
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Why there was the backlash there was last season with Eli.
None of us would of had a problem if they came to a decision WITH Eli and released a statement saying the streak was going to come to an end due to evaluating the future.
You won’t find a bigger Eli fan than myself but I would have totally been on board with that. In fact, I still think it’s a joke we never saw Webb in real games last season.
The problem for most NYG fans is that his consecutive starts streak and overall tenure here is cherished by many. To think his fate was going to be decided by an incompetent fucking asshole like McAdoo was a problem.
All that said, we should be seeing Lauletta after the BYE but we are going to repeat history.
Eli stopped his consecutive game streak, no one else.
think he's right. The Maras are at least influencing player personnel decisions. They overreacted to Eli's benching. The problem wasn't the benching, it was that he was benched for Smith instead of Webb. It's ridiculous that we never got to see Webb in real games. They can't make the same mistake with Lauletta. Let's see what the rest of the season produces, but the early indication is that this should be Eli's last with the Giants.
Doesn't know anything especially when it comes to the giants. He has always taken every opportunity to say anything negative about mara and eli.
His next valid insight will be his first
Exactly and it's so obvious if you listen to his radio show. Even when they or Eli do something good he's always looking to find fault. It's more the other team not doing something right.
What objective insight Boomer has on the Giants can fit in a thimble.
Boomer isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Â
Barkley was the player to draft. He's doing great things behind a still weak o-line. The qb's in the draft were pretty good but don't appear to be the outstanding group that they were made out to be. We'll get someone just as good in this year's draft.
They picked the best player in the draft. Which they would have, and should have, always done. So they’d be in the exact same place regardless of who they were building around.
Judy is most of them, can eat a dick. No one knows for certain whether Mara issued any mandates about Eli starting and to pass off speculation as fact is disingenuous and unprofessional. Par for the course.
Not that Mara is exempt from blame here. He most definitely should be in everyone’s crosshairs but we don’t know shit. Stop lying and making shit up there Boomer. Give me facts and attach your name to it instead of Horse shit gossip.
No. He passed off an opinion as fact. Again, this is unprofessional. Even if he was right he doesn’t know shit that many many other credible sources wouldn’t know.
already know my opinion on this, so I'll focus instead on this line:
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"They cleared the decks so there is no alternative"
"Cleared the decks"?? Of what Webb? As long as you have a backup QB, you have an alternative. For fucks sake, we just saw that with Geno Smith last year.
Left the ny pressure cooker, had a brilliant few years after.
It’s time for a break-up. 100% But Eli may not be done and it would be funny to see him shred the giants a few times on winning teams as his diva WR’s and TE’s get softball tosses from Kyle Lauletta or the next Dave Brown.
miscalculation was thinking that solder and omameh would seriously upgrade the OL. eli was going to be on the team regardless, and would have gone into the season as the starter..
But boomer is blinded by hatred of Eli. This feeding frenzy by the legion of Eli haters will only intensify. This group will never forgive him for proving them wrong after they declared him an instant bust.
miscalculation was thinking that solder and omameh would seriously upgrade the OL. eli was going to be on the team regardless, and would have gone into the season as the starter..
Solder and Omameh were certainly major miscalculations. As were Barwin, Martin, and Stewart.
Boomer is right, despite what many here say to the contrary.
Shurmur and Gettleman are here because they thought Eli could still get the job done.
It wasn’t a mandate but anyone that doesn’t think it’s the reason they got the job is fooling themselves.
Let’s not forget that the man who’s legacy is draft Eli Manning was the “consultant” in the GM hiring.
More like they "GOT THE JOB" because they became yes men to the Eli situation. Those guys are not stupid, they knew something was up with Eli and has been for quite some time. You can see it in the record.
I guess he has less credibility as a former player, connected league associate than say a bunch of people on a fucking message board. Where there is smoke there is fire, ODB lit it.
That is why we all saw Reese as horrendous and Mara did nothing, because he was Mara's butt boy. Now Gettleman is. Maybe the league may have to step in again to get it right, although that will take another 10 years to happen. John Mara is an idiot, and he sold McAdoo right down the river, he caused the mess from last season and was gutless to admit it, now the mess is worse and there is no McAdoo to blame. Fucking gutless moron.
Take a look
PaulN : 4:39 pm : link : reply
At Darnold. LOL, what a fucking joke this franchise is, now the Jets will be the franchise over the next 10 years, this is just the start.
Take a look
PaulN : 4:39 pm : link : reply
At Darnold. LOL, what a fucking joke this franchise is, now the Jets will be the franchise over the next 10 years, this is just the start.
Take a look at Barkley you fucking schmuck.
You thought last year was bad? The sequel is worse.
Should Jerry Jones sell the Cowboys or Snyder sell the Redskins?
I'm just tired of morons. Morons on TV and morons on BBI. Not an effin clue as to what they are saying but spewing absolute garbage to evoke a reaction. Boomer Esiason hates the Giants and would say anything to disparage them and every swinging d#$k here knows it, yet bring it up as if it is meaningful.
miscalculation was thinking that solder and omameh would seriously upgrade the OL. eli was going to be on the team regardless, and would have gone into the season as the starter..
Agree 100%. They had no choice but to play Eli this because of the cap issues.
Overall, I think that approach repas benefits and I'm glad the organization I root for is like that.
However, it can also lead to keeping guys like Coughlin and Eli around way too long.
You notice that Mara had no problem firing Ben after only two years. Why? Ben had no longterm connection to the orghanization. Shurmur will be gone quickly as well--if that turns out to be necessary.
So, really, some of the crappy football the last seven years is a direct result of the suvccess that came before.
eff Boomer .... I am glad we took Barkley while he was there. Â
Johnny Boy is more worried about PR than core football assessment and doing what is right to win football games.
He also should have gotten rid of Ross and Reese years ago....why didnt he....hmmmm....PR thats why.
Johnny Boy is more worried about PR than core football assessment and doing what is right to win football games.
He also should have gotten rid of Ross and Reese years ago....why didnt he....hmmmm....PR thats why.
i think the assessment was the reese and ross had destroyed what they had from 2005-2012, and that they needed to get to work on a long project. and they did. even last year, QB play was (arguably) the least of their problems.
and, of course mara has to think about PR. he is an owner. keeping beckham and eli were, in part, PR moves as well as business decision re: the cap with manning. but the team was in such bad shape there is no need to rush the OB part of it. if mara's main flaw is being overly loyal to eli manning, and trying to make it work with him as QB, i don't fault him one bit. eli was legendary for this team for an 8-year stretch and an amazing face of the franchise through the garbage that reese and ross turned the roster into.
Johnny Boy is more worried about PR than core football assessment and doing what is right to win football games.
He also should have gotten rid of Ross and Reese years ago....why didnt he....hmmmm....PR thats why.
i think the assessment was the reese and ross had destroyed what they had from 2005-2012
That's a dumb assessment then. Nothing was "destroyed". They got old or hurt and retired or moved on. As is the natural course of football.
Johnny Boy is more worried about PR than core football assessment and doing what is right to win football games.
He also should have gotten rid of Ross and Reese years ago....why didnt he....hmmmm....PR thats why.
i think the assessment was the reese and ross had destroyed what they had from 2005-2012
That's a dumb assessment then. Nothing was "destroyed". They got old or hurt and retired or moved on. As is the natural course of football.
No, you missed the implicit racism. Mara is more concerned with PR/doing what is 'right' re: Reese and Ross.
You know, because firing the two of them after a period of lousy performance would have been met with an Equal Opportunity lawsuit. Or maybe this comedian forgot the whole Josh Brown incident.
Johnny Boy is more worried about PR than core football assessment and doing what is right to win football games.
He also should have gotten rid of Ross and Reese years ago....why didnt he....hmmmm....PR thats why.
i think the assessment was the reese and ross had destroyed what they had from 2005-2012
That's a dumb assessment then. Nothing was "destroyed". They got old or hurt and retired or moved on. As is the natural course of football.
you don't think that the dearth of talent acquired by reese in drafts from 2008-2016 is the main reason why this franchise is where it is? i realize some great players like smith, nicks, cruz, boss, baas, schwartz, etc. had their careers cut short by injury.. others like snee, diehl, etc. retired.. but reese's drafting was a horror show and was only getting worse and is the main reason the team is where it is. not because a few key players got old and retired.. come on now
but I will never get the vicious reactions toward them. They try to be decent people and they are conservative by nature. That has been the wrong move this time, but that same nature helped keep Coughlin around when the sharks were out to get him. Many owners would have fired Coughlin after 2007 and after not making the playoffs with the Philly collapse in 2010 (after not making it in 2009) certainly lesser owners might have hit the panic button. I am very critical of Maras half measure approach, but it is easy to go nuts and see when it did not work, but forget when that approach worked. He is our owner, he runs the football team how he sees fits. I would much rather have him than say a guy like Synder who overreacts to every news cycle or Jones who wants to be in every decision. If there is a perfect owner in sports, I have yet to see them. And, trust me, when Brady and Belly are gone in NE, Kraft will look less like a genius owner.
Oh yeah... LOL The franchise has been a cash cow the Mara family for a century and the next few generations of Mara's will never have to worry about money.
Maybe you should check Craigslist daily to see if the Giants are for sale. Let me know... I will split the down payment with you.
It is why I question those who totally dismiss this idea
LOL, I never thought of it that way but you're right, at least that way you'd know they weren't that far off.
None of us would of had a problem if they came to a decision WITH Eli and released a statement saying the streak was going to come to an end due to evaluating the future.
You won’t find a bigger Eli fan than myself but I would have totally been on board with that. In fact, I still think it’s a joke we never saw Webb in real games last season.
The problem for most NYG fans is that his consecutive starts streak and overall tenure here is cherished by many. To think his fate was going to be decided by an incompetent fucking asshole like McAdoo was a problem.
All that said, we should be seeing Lauletta after the BYE but we are going to repeat history.
Eli stopped his consecutive game streak, no one else.
His next valid insight will be his first
Exactly and it's so obvious if you listen to his radio show. Even when they or Eli do something good he's always looking to find fault. It's more the other team not doing something right.
What objective insight Boomer has on the Giants can fit in a thimble.
Ereck Flowers.
Not that Mara is exempt from blame here. He most definitely should be in everyone’s crosshairs but we don’t know shit. Stop lying and making shit up there Boomer. Give me facts and attach your name to it instead of Horse shit gossip.
No. He passed off an opinion as fact. Again, this is unprofessional. Even if he was right he doesn’t know shit that many many other credible sources wouldn’t know.
"Cleared the decks"?? Of what Webb? As long as you have a backup QB, you have an alternative. For fucks sake, we just saw that with Geno Smith last year.
It’s time for a break-up. 100% But Eli may not be done and it would be funny to see him shred the giants a few times on winning teams as his diva WR’s and TE’s get softball tosses from Kyle Lauletta or the next Dave Brown.
It's clear management and ownership were spot on in evaluating the mileage left on the QB.
Solder and Omameh were certainly major miscalculations. As were Barwin, Martin, and Stewart.
Yup. The more things change the more they stay the same. Fire Reese, TC, Gillbride, Fewell, etc. but Chris Mara still making the calls is a joke.
May need some SELL THE TEAM bag masks for games in december.
Shurmur and Gettleman are here because they thought Eli could still get the job done.
It wasn’t a mandate but anyone that doesn’t think it’s the reason they got the job is fooling themselves.
Let’s not forget that the man who’s legacy is draft Eli Manning was the “consultant” in the GM hiring.
More like they "GOT THE JOB" because they became yes men to the Eli situation. Those guys are not stupid, they knew something was up with Eli and has been for quite some time. You can see it in the record.
...but Boomer is also a flaming A-hole.
Constantly.
Yeah so what if he won an MVP and took the Bengals to the SB, he doesn’t contribute to BBI., so he’s a loser!
Eli stopped his consecutive game streak, no one else.
Not only that, but only fans and media care about shit like that. A meaningless streak.
Oh we had another streak going for a while. A couple of years without scoring 30 points.
PaulN : 4:39 pm : link : reply
At Darnold. LOL, what a fucking joke this franchise is, now the Jets will be the franchise over the next 10 years, this is just the start.
Take a look at Barkley you fucking schmuck.
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Take a look
PaulN : 4:39 pm : link : reply
At Darnold. LOL, what a fucking joke this franchise is, now the Jets will be the franchise over the next 10 years, this is just the start.
Take a look at Barkley you fucking schmuck.
You thought last year was bad? The sequel is worse.
Should Jerry Jones sell the Cowboys or Snyder sell the Redskins?
Should Jerry Jones sell the Cowboys or Snyder sell the Redskins?
I'm just tired of morons. Morons on TV and morons on BBI. Not an effin clue as to what they are saying but spewing absolute garbage to evoke a reaction. Boomer Esiason hates the Giants and would say anything to disparage them and every swinging d#$k here knows it, yet bring it up as if it is meaningful.
From your keyboard to God’s ears.
But it’s wishful thinking. Mara’s commitment to mediocrity is as strong as ever. He’s not giving that up.
However, it can also lead to keeping guys like Coughlin and Eli around way too long.
You notice that Mara had no problem firing Ben after only two years. Why? Ben had no longterm connection to the orghanization. Shurmur will be gone quickly as well--if that turns out to be necessary.
So, really, some of the crappy football the last seven years is a direct result of the suvccess that came before.
He also should have gotten rid of Ross and Reese years ago....why didnt he....hmmmm....PR thats why.
He also should have gotten rid of Ross and Reese years ago....why didnt he....hmmmm....PR thats why.
i think the assessment was the reese and ross had destroyed what they had from 2005-2012, and that they needed to get to work on a long project. and they did. even last year, QB play was (arguably) the least of their problems.
and, of course mara has to think about PR. he is an owner. keeping beckham and eli were, in part, PR moves as well as business decision re: the cap with manning. but the team was in such bad shape there is no need to rush the OB part of it. if mara's main flaw is being overly loyal to eli manning, and trying to make it work with him as QB, i don't fault him one bit. eli was legendary for this team for an 8-year stretch and an amazing face of the franchise through the garbage that reese and ross turned the roster into.
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Johnny Boy is more worried about PR than core football assessment and doing what is right to win football games.
He also should have gotten rid of Ross and Reese years ago....why didnt he....hmmmm....PR thats why.
i think the assessment was the reese and ross had destroyed what they had from 2005-2012
That's a dumb assessment then. Nothing was "destroyed". They got old or hurt and retired or moved on. As is the natural course of football.
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Johnny Boy is more worried about PR than core football assessment and doing what is right to win football games.
He also should have gotten rid of Ross and Reese years ago....why didnt he....hmmmm....PR thats why.
i think the assessment was the reese and ross had destroyed what they had from 2005-2012
That's a dumb assessment then. Nothing was "destroyed". They got old or hurt and retired or moved on. As is the natural course of football.
No, you missed the implicit racism. Mara is more concerned with PR/doing what is 'right' re: Reese and Ross.
You know, because firing the two of them after a period of lousy performance would have been met with an Equal Opportunity lawsuit. Or maybe this comedian forgot the whole Josh Brown incident.
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In comment 14128114 Devour the Day said:
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Johnny Boy is more worried about PR than core football assessment and doing what is right to win football games.
He also should have gotten rid of Ross and Reese years ago....why didnt he....hmmmm....PR thats why.
i think the assessment was the reese and ross had destroyed what they had from 2005-2012
That's a dumb assessment then. Nothing was "destroyed". They got old or hurt and retired or moved on. As is the natural course of football.
you don't think that the dearth of talent acquired by reese in drafts from 2008-2016 is the main reason why this franchise is where it is? i realize some great players like smith, nicks, cruz, boss, baas, schwartz, etc. had their careers cut short by injury.. others like snee, diehl, etc. retired.. but reese's drafting was a horror show and was only getting worse and is the main reason the team is where it is. not because a few key players got old and retired.. come on now