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Maybe someday, hopefully sooner than later!
Don’t know how this O-line gets better sooner, Solder, Omameh and Greco are what they are Hernandez and Wheeler maybe.
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Maybe someday, hopefully sooner than later!
Don’t know how this O-line gets better sooner, Solder, Omameh and Greco are what they are Hernandez and Wheeler maybe.
Next season new faces
Genuinely curious Paul, you would have drafted a QB with this protection in front off him? How would that have played out?
Do me a favor and go sit down in the corner in time out. He was absolutely the right pick seeing as this oline is as terrible as it is.
This is simplifying things too much.
Todd Gurley is a top 3 RB at WORST right now and the Rams might be the best team in football. If they aren't, they're at least the best team in the NFC.
They got Goff 2 years after Gurley.
It is possible to get the RB first and then get the QB.
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This is simplifying things too much.
Todd Gurley is a top 3 RB at WORST right now and the Rams might be the best team in football. If they aren't, they're at least the best team in the NFC.
They got Goff 2 years after Gurley.
It is possible to get the RB first and then get the QB.
It's possible but a poor way to manage things. Because the running backs prime starts immediately and you can't rely on them being around all that long. And it's also possible to win titles without the running back. It's next to impossible to win a title without the QB. Spare me the foles example, if he starts 16 gams they don't even make the playoffs. He played 2 great games back to back which was a fluke. Over a 16 game season he would have at best been .500 and out of the playoffs.
Barkley could stand on his head every game and if this franchise doesn't find a franchise QB it's never going to matter
The Eagles fans were rooting for him in the stands on Thursday it was infurriating.
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Is absolutely sensational, and will remain forever the wrong pick from the Giants, total fools as they have been now for about 6 years.
Genuinely curious Paul, you would have drafted a QB with this protection in front off him? How would that have played out?
I break out into a cold sweat imagining Darnold handing off to Stewart.
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And what has Dallas won?
This is simplifying things too much.
Todd Gurley is a top 3 RB at WORST right now and the Rams might be the best team in football. If they aren't, they're at least the best team in the NFC.
They got Goff 2 years after Gurley.
It is possible to get the RB first and then get the QB.
It's possible but a poor way to manage things. Because the running backs prime starts immediately and you can't rely on them being around all that long. And it's also possible to win titles without the running back. It's next to impossible to win a title without the QB. Spare me the foles example, if he starts 16 gams they don't even make the playoffs. He played 2 great games back to back which was a fluke. Over a 16 game season he would have at best been .500 and out of the playoffs.
Barkley could stand on his head every game and if this franchise doesn't find a franchise QB it's never going to matter
I agree, but if we get our QB within the next year or two, we're going to have plenty of mileage left on Barkley.
We absolutely need a QB - I think Eli is done. We won't win anything with him again. Love him, appreciate him, don't want to trash him on the way out - but it's over.
I think this team is still so bad that we'll have another top 3-5 pick in April. There aren't that many teams right now that are going to be looking for a QB because a lot of them just filled that hole in this past draft (CLE, NYJ, ARZ, BUF)
So, now we have to look at how many teams are still going to be looking for a QB next April.
Because of recent picks, money paid to QB's like Keenum, and the fact that a team like JAX who may need a QB more than most teams will be too good to get an early pick, I think we're going to be sitting pretty and should have a really good shot at whoever we like.
If, for example, Justin Herbert is the guy we covet - I think we will be in a good position to get him. Then we're only 1 year into Barkley's career and we then have the next QB as well.
Doing it this way can work - but it then becomes a matter of constructing the rest of the roster effectively.
If we had taken anyone but Barkley, I think I'd be pissed about not going QB. But he's so good that I think the pick is justifiable while still thinking we most certainly need a QB.
Here's a question for you...What if the Browns took Barkley with the first pick and the Giants took Chubb? Chubb wasn't "touched by the hand of GOD" plus all of the QBs were sitting on the board. The Giants would be sitting in even worse hole
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If we had taken anyone but Barkley, I think I'd be pissed about not going QB. But he's so good that I think the pick is justifiable while still thinking we most certainly need a QB.
Here's a question for you...What if the Browns took Barkley with the first pick and the Giants took Chubb? Chubb wasn't "touched by the hand of GOD" plus all of the QBs were sitting on the board. The Giants would be sitting in even worse hole
I think Chubb is and will be very good - but for me, it came down to this...
Either you take a QB, or you take a guy that you are completely convinced is the best player in this draft.
Gettleman believed Barkley was the best player in the draft - and I think he was right.
I can't possibly be mad about taking the best player in a draft.
Taking Chubb 2nd overall would have been a poor pick. Even if he turns out to be really good. The ROI isn't there.
So, we take a QB next April & now that rookie QB has a fantastic RB in addition to some solid weapons already in place.
Also, the bust rate for QB appears to be a lot lower now than previous years. Maybe it’s the college offenses now are run more in the NFL, but chances are we come away with a solid QB prospect.
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Love Eli too.
wtf...
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So, we take a QB next April & now that rookie QB has a fantastic RB in addition to some solid weapons already in place.
Also, the bust rate for QB appears to be a lot lower now than previous years. Maybe it’s the college offenses now are run more in the NFL, but chances are we come away with a solid QB prospect.
Pretty hard to enjoy an RB when he has the best game of the year and your team still gets embarrassed. How many points do you get for a rave anyway?
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Is absolutely sensational, and will remain forever the wrong pick from the Giants, total fools as they have been now for about 6 years.
Genuinely curious Paul, you would have drafted a QB with this protection in front off him? How would that have played out?
You ask how this would have played out. We only have to look at Buffalo. They had two offensive linemen retire leaving them with a horrible line. They trade up for Josh Allen. Guess what---today he was injured. And that's what would have happened if the Giants would have drafted one of the quarterbacks instead of Barkley and they played him behind this offensive line.
Look no further than the Rams. Collecting talent doesn't have to start at QB.
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People are wildly overreacting to not taking a QB. After 6 games, it definitely looks like we came away with a franchise RB who has a tremendous attitude. Instead of bitching about not going QB, why not enjoy Barkley & the fact that we came away with a helluva player in a draft which is often a crap shoot.
So, we take a QB next April & now that rookie QB has a fantastic RB in addition to some solid weapons already in place.
Also, the bust rate for QB appears to be a lot lower now than previous years. Maybe it’s the college offenses now are run more in the NFL, but chances are we come away with a solid QB prospect.
Pretty hard to enjoy an RB when he has the best game of the year and your team still gets embarrassed. How many points do you get for a rave anyway?
You have to understand that no matter who we drafted, this thing wasn't getting fixed in one offseason
This was a 3-13 team last year.
3-13.
You have to go back about 35 years to find the last time the Giants had that few wins.
We were going to be bad this year no matter who we took. The Giants tried to sell the fans on a retooling that would result in a competitive season, but this is still a very bad football team with a LOT of holes and Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, or Josh Allen would not have made this much better than it is now.
We got the best RB in football.
Hard to complain about that.
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You'd kind of hope that with the 2nd overall pick in a draft, you'd get a pretty damn good player.
We got the best RB in football.
Hard to complain about that.
Is it though? We're largely 1-5 because our offense is horrendous. Not bad, bottom of the league horrendous.
Until the Giants prove that they can find a replacement for Eli or the offense comes back to at least 'not the worst in the NFL bad', why can't people complain about it? What good does it do the team if they have the best RB in the league but they can't get the production out of the cellar?
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Is absolutely sensational, and will remain forever the wrong pick from the Giants, total fools as they have been now for about 6 years.
Genuinely curious Paul, you would have drafted a QB with this protection in front off him? How would that have played out?
You ask how this would have played out. We only have to look at Buffalo. They had two offensive linemen retire leaving them with a horrible line. They trade up for Josh Allen. Guess what---today he was injured. And that's what would have happened if the Giants would have drafted one of the quarterbacks instead of Barkley and they played him behind this offensive line.
So a rookie QB would have been injured, so I guess there’s NO WAY that Barkley gets injured behind this same line, especially as the giants rely on him more and more. There’s really no win here, I just believe that the future would be brighter with a potential franchise QB in place than an RB, albeit a great one.
I'm choosing to handle this situation(the giants are shitty) by enjoying the possible good things, or thing, which says a lot. Barkley isn't a player that you see every couple of years, so I'm excited about that which is the exact reason I made this thread. I certainly wasn't making it to attempt to prove any point to anyone about what player at what pick was the right decision.
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You'd kind of hope that with the 2nd overall pick in a draft, you'd get a pretty damn good player.
We got the best RB in football.
Hard to complain about that.
Is it though? We're largely 1-5 because our offense is horrendous. Not bad, bottom of the league horrendous.
Until the Giants prove that they can find a replacement for Eli or the offense comes back to at least 'not the worst in the NFL bad', why can't people complain about it? What good does it do the team if they have the best RB in the league but they can't get the production out of the cellar?
so what then? you do not take the best player in the dradt because your team might still be bad? it takes more than 1 offseason to turn a team around...
and werent you the one who said barkley is jjst average?
With a decent O around him, I think he'll get there. But for right now, he's got good to very good production on what's otherwise a putrid offensive team.
And yes - even if he were HoF worthy - if he's HoF worthy but we end up not landing a QB, and some of these 'not great' QBs from 2018 end up leading potent offenses, we should consider it a failure. Why wouldn't we?
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You'd kind of hope that with the 2nd overall pick in a draft, you'd get a pretty damn good player.
We got the best RB in football.
Hard to complain about that.
Is it though? We're largely 1-5 because our offense is horrendous. Not bad, bottom of the league horrendous.
Until the Giants prove that they can find a replacement for Eli or the offense comes back to at least 'not the worst in the NFL bad', why can't people complain about it? What good does it do the team if they have the best RB in the league but they can't get the production out of the cellar?
Yes, it is - because I think it's pretty easy to determine that the Giants were nowhere near one player away. So instead of position forcing a pick, why not take the best player?
Do you think we'd be winning more games with Darnold, Rosen, or Allen? I don't
The Giants were a deeply flawed team going into this year and this mess is going to take more than one offseason to fix.
Barkley is fucking tremendous. We weren't going to be good tis year no matter who we took. We have a lot of work to do to fix this.
With a decent O around him, I think he'll get there. But for right now, he's got good to very good production on what's otherwise a putrid offensive team.
And yes - even if he were HoF worthy - if he's HoF worthy but we end up not landing a QB, and some of these 'not great' QBs from 2018 end up leading potent offenses, we should consider it a failure. Why wouldn't we?
because that is moronic, there is no way you can say drafting a hall of fame player is a failure..
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I'm sorry, I know there's not much to appreciate in this season, but that doesn't mean we can anoint this guy and declare him HoF eligible 6 weeks into his career.
With a decent O around him, I think he'll get there. But for right now, he's got good to very good production on what's otherwise a putrid offensive team.
And yes - even if he were HoF worthy - if he's HoF worthy but we end up not landing a QB, and some of these 'not great' QBs from 2018 end up leading potent offenses, we should consider it a failure. Why wouldn't we?
because that is moronic, there is no way you can say drafting a hall of fame player is a failure..
What about a hall came long snapper?
Funny?
I don't know. I don't know how much of the offensive woes are attributable to Eli. I can't know - we've seen only one game without him since 2004, and that was featuring Geno Smith.
Honestly - I think that both last year's and this year's OL were/are better than they looked, but that Eli's immobility makes it impossible for them to function. Add in some shell-shock, and even when they do block, there's no reward.
Doesn't that get better with a better QB? Doesn't that immediately make it easier to get some production with Odell/Shepard/Engram? Doesn't that make Gallman more productive?
We'll never know about that crop. What we will learn is what they did elsewhere, and what we'll manage to do going forward with someone else. And those will piece together the answers we need to answer this question, in time.
With a decent O around him, I think he'll get there. But for right now, he's got good to very good production on what's otherwise a putrid offensive team.
And yes - even if he were HoF worthy - if he's HoF worthy but we end up not landing a QB, and some of these 'not great' QBs from 2018 end up leading potent offenses, we should consider it a failure. Why wouldn't we?
This is the shit that drives me insane. “If he’s HOF worthy but we end up not landing a QB”. Wtf does that even mean? You honestly think that QBs have disappeared and there will never be another one? QBs are coming out of college and having more success than they ever have. How the hell do you come away thinking they will never get a QB? Sam Darnold isn’t the last QB to ever exist. I know some of you think he is, but it’s comically bad logic when looking at the landscape of football today. Please, just stop with this nonsense. It’s gotten out of control.
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I'm sorry, I know there's not much to appreciate in this season, but that doesn't mean we can anoint this guy and declare him HoF eligible 6 weeks into his career.
With a decent O around him, I think he'll get there. But for right now, he's got good to very good production on what's otherwise a putrid offensive team.
And yes - even if he were HoF worthy - if he's HoF worthy but we end up not landing a QB, and some of these 'not great' QBs from 2018 end up leading potent offenses, we should consider it a failure. Why wouldn't we?
because that is moronic, there is no way you can say drafting a hall of fame player is a failure..
Let's see - if we don't manage to replace Eli during Barkley's tenure with the Giants, and we never make it past the first round in the playoffs, does it really benefit us to have a HoF player on the roster?
If one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen turn out to be HoFers, then it makes the pick look even worse. I know the back patting is intense in this crowd, so we're quick to pick on the flaws of those three, but I'll remind you that Eli was no great shakes in his first season either, and he's Canton bound.
It's also scary to think about how terrible this offense would be without him in it.
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I'm sorry, I know there's not much to appreciate in this season, but that doesn't mean we can anoint this guy and declare him HoF eligible 6 weeks into his career.
With a decent O around him, I think he'll get there. But for right now, he's got good to very good production on what's otherwise a putrid offensive team.
And yes - even if he were HoF worthy - if he's HoF worthy but we end up not landing a QB, and some of these 'not great' QBs from 2018 end up leading potent offenses, we should consider it a failure. Why wouldn't we?
This is the shit that drives me insane. “If he’s HOF worthy but we end up not landing a QB”. Wtf does that even mean? You honestly think that QBs have disappeared and there will never be another one? QBs are coming out of college and having more success than they ever have. How the hell do you come away thinking they will never get a QB? Sam Darnold isn’t the last QB to ever exist. I know some of you think he is, but it’s comically bad logic when looking at the landscape of football today. Please, just stop with this nonsense. It’s gotten out of control.
What kind of bullshit answer is this? If that's the case, then we won't have a problem replacing Eli and the pick is just fine, case closed.
Why the fuck do you people feel the need to have this pick validated and approved right this fucking second? Is the NFL wrapping up operations next year and I missed it?
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If we had taken anyone but Barkley, I think I'd be pissed about not going QB. But he's so good that I think the pick is justifiable while still thinking we most certainly need a QB.
Here's a question for you...What if the Browns took Barkley with the first pick and the Giants took Chubb? Chubb wasn't "touched by the hand of GOD" plus all of the QBs were sitting on the board. The Giants would be sitting in even worse hole
I thought about that yesterday. Horrifying. Thankfully he Giants have Barkley.
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I'm sorry, I know there's not much to appreciate in this season, but that doesn't mean we can anoint this guy and declare him HoF eligible 6 weeks into his career.
With a decent O around him, I think he'll get there. But for right now, he's got good to very good production on what's otherwise a putrid offensive team.
And yes - even if he were HoF worthy - if he's HoF worthy but we end up not landing a QB, and some of these 'not great' QBs from 2018 end up leading potent offenses, we should consider it a failure. Why wouldn't we?
This is the shit that drives me insane. “If he’s HOF worthy but we end up not landing a QB”. Wtf does that even mean? You honestly think that QBs have disappeared and there will never be another one? QBs are coming out of college and having more success than they ever have. How the hell do you come away thinking they will never get a QB? Sam Darnold isn’t the last QB to ever exist. I know some of you think he is, but it’s comically bad logic when looking at the landscape of football today. Please, just stop with this nonsense. It’s gotten out of control.
What kind of bullshit answer is this? If that's the case, then we won't have a problem replacing Eli and the pick is just fine, case closed.
Why the fuck do you people feel the need to have this pick validated and approved right this fucking second? Is the NFL wrapping up operations next year and I missed it?
Because, don't you know? We have the best RB in the league!11!
I guess that counts for something.
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I'm sorry, I know there's not much to appreciate in this season, but that doesn't mean we can anoint this guy and declare him HoF eligible 6 weeks into his career.
With a decent O around him, I think he'll get there. But for right now, he's got good to very good production on what's otherwise a putrid offensive team.
And yes - even if he were HoF worthy - if he's HoF worthy but we end up not landing a QB, and some of these 'not great' QBs from 2018 end up leading potent offenses, we should consider it a failure. Why wouldn't we?
This is the shit that drives me insane. “If he’s HOF worthy but we end up not landing a QB”. Wtf does that even mean? You honestly think that QBs have disappeared and there will never be another one? QBs are coming out of college and having more success than they ever have. How the hell do you come away thinking they will never get a QB? Sam Darnold isn’t the last QB to ever exist. I know some of you think he is, but it’s comically bad logic when looking at the landscape of football today. Please, just stop with this nonsense. It’s gotten out of control.
What kind of bullshit answer is this? If that's the case, then we won't have a problem replacing Eli and the pick is just fine, case closed.
Why the fuck do you people feel the need to have this pick validated and approved right this fucking second? Is the NFL wrapping up operations next year and I missed it?
Exactly! You just proved my point! Why the hell are we having these discussions at this point?
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I'm sorry, I know there's not much to appreciate in this season, but that doesn't mean we can anoint this guy and declare him HoF eligible 6 weeks into his career.
With a decent O around him, I think he'll get there. But for right now, he's got good to very good production on what's otherwise a putrid offensive team.
And yes - even if he were HoF worthy - if he's HoF worthy but we end up not landing a QB, and some of these 'not great' QBs from 2018 end up leading potent offenses, we should consider it a failure. Why wouldn't we?
This is the shit that drives me insane. “If he’s HOF worthy but we end up not landing a QB”. Wtf does that even mean? You honestly think that QBs have disappeared and there will never be another one? QBs are coming out of college and having more success than they ever have. How the hell do you come away thinking they will never get a QB? Sam Darnold isn’t the last QB to ever exist. I know some of you think he is, but it’s comically bad logic when looking at the landscape of football today. Please, just stop with this nonsense. It’s gotten out of control.
What kind of bullshit answer is this? If that's the case, then we won't have a problem replacing Eli and the pick is just fine, case closed.
Why the fuck do you people feel the need to have this pick validated and approved right this fucking second? Is the NFL wrapping up operations next year and I missed it?
Exactly! You just proved my point! Why the hell are we having these discussions at this point?
Yeah, why are we? Yet you felt the need to call myself and Mook out in the 1PM game thread when Darnold threw an incompletion. (and disappeared as he played well the rest of the game and led his team to victory). It's okay if you do it, but not when others do it, basically.
Hypocritical BS.
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I'm sorry, I know there's not much to appreciate in this season, but that doesn't mean we can anoint this guy and declare him HoF eligible 6 weeks into his career.
With a decent O around him, I think he'll get there. But for right now, he's got good to very good production on what's otherwise a putrid offensive team.
And yes - even if he were HoF worthy - if he's HoF worthy but we end up not landing a QB, and some of these 'not great' QBs from 2018 end up leading potent offenses, we should consider it a failure. Why wouldn't we?
This is the shit that drives me insane. “If he’s HOF worthy but we end up not landing a QB”. Wtf does that even mean? You honestly think that QBs have disappeared and there will never be another one? QBs are coming out of college and having more success than they ever have. How the hell do you come away thinking they will never get a QB? Sam Darnold isn’t the last QB to ever exist. I know some of you think he is, but it’s comically bad logic when looking at the landscape of football today. Please, just stop with this nonsense. It’s gotten out of control.
What kind of bullshit answer is this? If that's the case, then we won't have a problem replacing Eli and the pick is just fine, case closed.
Why the fuck do you people feel the need to have this pick validated and approved right this fucking second? Is the NFL wrapping up operations next year and I missed it?
Because, don't you know? We have the best RB in the league!11!
I guess that counts for something.
I know, right?! We are fucked for all of eternity now because Sam Fucking Darnold is the last QB to ever exist. Now what do we do?
Are you understanding how many times it’s been posted since the draft that the Giants are now screwed for the next 15 years because they passed on a QB? It’s been hundreds of times.
Exactly! You just proved my point! Why the hell are we having these discussions at this point?
Because we fucking suck, that's why. These are the discussions you have when a team can't get out of it's own way, especially on offense.
It's great that Barkley has potential to be an all timer. So far, that's mean jack shit for both our record and our offensive production. Without him, we'd be worse, which would mean little as we're at the bottom of the barrel already.
I guess the world needs ditch diggers too, we can't all be bright.
If Sam Darnold looked like a generational player, I would absolutely understand the frustration. But who is to say that a prospect like Herbert can't be just as good?
Wouldn't you rather have that PLUS Saquon Barkley?
You guys have to understand that this team was in fucking shambles. Jerry Reese blew several drafts. We have ENTIRE drafts that yielded nothing. That's stuff that sets a franchise back in a huge, huge way.
It doesn't matter who we took - the Giants were going to suck this year no matter what. I can absolutely guarantee that.
We can't succeed playing game manager ball with our QB - we're trying it with Eli and we're losing every game.
The Jets have Darnold playing very safe right now. They're trying to minimize his mistakes and he's still turned the ball over like 8 times in 6 games.
I am NOT one of the guys who thinks Eli still has 2-3 years left. But I think you can hold the belief that Eli is just about finished and still be okay with taking Barkley.
Barkley can't change the course of the franchise alone - neither did Todd Gurley in StL/LA. But he can be a MAJOR part of the solution if you get the QB next.
We are going to get our QB in April. Trust me.
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I'm sorry, I know there's not much to appreciate in this season, but that doesn't mean we can anoint this guy and declare him HoF eligible 6 weeks into his career.
With a decent O around him, I think he'll get there. But for right now, he's got good to very good production on what's otherwise a putrid offensive team.
And yes - even if he were HoF worthy - if he's HoF worthy but we end up not landing a QB, and some of these 'not great' QBs from 2018 end up leading potent offenses, we should consider it a failure. Why wouldn't we?
This is the shit that drives me insane. “If he’s HOF worthy but we end up not landing a QB”. Wtf does that even mean? You honestly think that QBs have disappeared and there will never be another one? QBs are coming out of college and having more success than they ever have. How the hell do you come away thinking they will never get a QB? Sam Darnold isn’t the last QB to ever exist. I know some of you think he is, but it’s comically bad logic when looking at the landscape of football today. Please, just stop with this nonsense. It’s gotten out of control.
Dude, come back in off the ledge, I get what he’s saying, even if Barkley is great (which I think he is ) it’s not gonna matter much if we end up on a long term search for a QB in this league like a lot of teams have.
If Sam Darnold looked like a generational player, I would absolutely understand the frustration. But who is to say that a prospect like Herbert can't be just as good?
Wouldn't you rather have that PLUS Saquon Barkley?
You guys have to understand that this team was in fucking shambles. Jerry Reese blew several drafts. We have ENTIRE drafts that yielded nothing. That's stuff that sets a franchise back in a huge, huge way.
It doesn't matter who we took - the Giants were going to suck this year no matter what. I can absolutely guarantee that.
We can't succeed playing game manager ball with our QB - we're trying it with Eli and we're losing every game.
The Jets have Darnold playing very safe right now. They're trying to minimize his mistakes and he's still turned the ball over like 8 times in 6 games.
I am NOT one of the guys who thinks Eli still has 2-3 years left. But I think you can hold the belief that Eli is just about finished and still be okay with taking Barkley.
Barkley can't change the course of the franchise alone - neither did Todd Gurley in StL/LA. But he can be a MAJOR part of the solution if you get the QB next.
We are going to get our QB in April. Trust me.
I made this pretty fucking clear up above, but I'll repeat.
Whether or not Barkley was the right pick will depend on two things - whether or not we can replace Eli with a decent QB during his career, and whether or not the guys we passed up on to select him end up to be very good.
Do you not agree? Do you think that the Barkley selection is just fine, even if we end up with shit play from the QB over the next 5 years?
It's not as simple as 'did we pick the right guy' 6 games in. You guys should really realize this by now.
Dan marino never won, getting the great quarterback doesnt guarantee you anything either
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Last year wasn't our only chance at a QB, though.
If Sam Darnold looked like a generational player, I would absolutely understand the frustration. But who is to say that a prospect like Herbert can't be just as good?
Wouldn't you rather have that PLUS Saquon Barkley?
You guys have to understand that this team was in fucking shambles. Jerry Reese blew several drafts. We have ENTIRE drafts that yielded nothing. That's stuff that sets a franchise back in a huge, huge way.
It doesn't matter who we took - the Giants were going to suck this year no matter what. I can absolutely guarantee that.
We can't succeed playing game manager ball with our QB - we're trying it with Eli and we're losing every game.
The Jets have Darnold playing very safe right now. They're trying to minimize his mistakes and he's still turned the ball over like 8 times in 6 games.
I am NOT one of the guys who thinks Eli still has 2-3 years left. But I think you can hold the belief that Eli is just about finished and still be okay with taking Barkley.
Barkley can't change the course of the franchise alone - neither did Todd Gurley in StL/LA. But he can be a MAJOR part of the solution if you get the QB next.
We are going to get our QB in April. Trust me.
I made this pretty fucking clear up above, but I'll repeat.
Whether or not Barkley was the right pick will depend on two things - whether or not we can replace Eli with a decent QB during his career, and whether or not the guys we passed up on to select him end up to be very good.
Do you not agree? Do you think that the Barkley selection is just fine, even if we end up with shit play from the QB over the next 5 years?
It's not as simple as 'did we pick the right guy' 6 games in. You guys should really realize this by now.
but even if darnold is great it doesnt mean they are going to win, no matter who the giants drafted you still have to fill in the team around them..
darnold because a franchise quarterback but wins nothing was barkley the wrong pick? no..
and again as a singular pick if barkley is great it was the right pick, now the giants have to keep building around that
Two guys touch the ball on every play - and it's a passing league. You need a QB. We don't have one right now. It's as simple as that.
And I'm not even saying we need a great one - but we need at least a good one, and we need one soon.
Two guys touch the ball on every play - and it's a passing league. You need a QB. We don't have one right now. It's as simple as that.
And I'm not even saying we need a great one - but we need at least a good one, and we need one soon.
but that is why the barkley pick is so good, it now allows you to go out and just get a good qb, there is no pressure to get that great qb because you will have a great running back...
rebuild the offensive line and get a good qb and you are set..
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do more than a great RB with a pedestrian surrounding cast.
Two guys touch the ball on every play - and it's a passing league. You need a QB. We don't have one right now. It's as simple as that.
And I'm not even saying we need a great one - but we need at least a good one, and we need one soon.
but that is why the barkley pick is so good, it now allows you to go out and just get a good qb, there is no pressure to get that great qb because you will have a great running back...
rebuild the offensive line and get a good qb and you are set..
Ask yourself - which combo would make a better NFL offense?
- A great QB and a good RB
or
- A great RB and a good QB
Now, for the last time - we won't know what the guys we passed on will be for quite some time. But if any of them are great, we likely made the wrong call.
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do more than a great RB with a pedestrian surrounding cast.
Two guys touch the ball on every play - and it's a passing league. You need a QB. We don't have one right now. It's as simple as that.
And I'm not even saying we need a great one - but we need at least a good one, and we need one soon.
but that is why the barkley pick is so good, it now allows you to go out and just get a good qb, there is no pressure to get that great qb because you will have a great running back...
rebuild the offensive line and get a good qb and you are set..
Ask yourself - which combo would make a better NFL offense?
- A great QB and a good RB
or
- A great RB and a good QB
Now, for the last time - we won't know what the guys we passed on will be for quite some time. But if any of them are great, we likely made the wrong call.
i dunno rams look pretty damn good roght now
Two guys touch the ball on every play - and it's a passing league. You need a QB. We don't have one right now. It's as simple as that.
And I'm not even saying we need a great one - but we need at least a good one, and we need one soon.
We are probably looking at a top 3 pick in the upcoming draft - and teams like the Colts and Cardinals who are just as bad as we are don't need QB's and aren't going to draft one.
We can't wind up with someone as good as Darnold?
Look at it this way -
What if Herbert is as good or better than Darnold?
Wouldn't you rather have that, plus Barkley?
Barkley is going to be a tremendous help for a rookie QB. Being able to run the football makes a young QB's life much easier.
I get it - it's not helping Eli much. But Eli is 37 and has bricks in his cleats and looks completely gun shy. It's not really the same.
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do more than a great RB with a pedestrian surrounding cast.
Two guys touch the ball on every play - and it's a passing league. You need a QB. We don't have one right now. It's as simple as that.
And I'm not even saying we need a great one - but we need at least a good one, and we need one soon.
but that is why the barkley pick is so good, it now allows you to go out and just get a good qb, there is no pressure to get that great qb because you will have a great running back...
rebuild the offensive line and get a good qb and you are set..
Ask yourself - which combo would make a better NFL offense?
- A great QB and a good RB
or
- A great RB and a good QB
Now, for the last time - we won't know what the guys we passed on will be for quite some time. But if any of them are great, we likely made the wrong call.
What if the next QB that we take is great? You keep insinuating that is now impossible because they passed on one this season. That’s the crux of all of this. You continue to completely ignore the fact that there will be other QBs to come along, and as impossible it is to believe, they may actually be just as good or even better than Sam Darnold
Not to mention, Goff is much better than 'good'.
Now - had the Rams selected Winston and then went with a RB tenth in the following draft, the results would have been disastrous.
See who the Giants get at QB first, see what those QBs turn out to be (like the case with Winston here), and then we can grade it. Until then, there's really no wrong or right.
What if the next QB that we take is great? You keep insinuating that is now impossible because they passed on one this season. That’s the crux of all of this. You continue to completely ignore the fact that there will be other QBs to come along, and as impossible it is to believe, they may actually be just as good or even better than Sam Darnold
Who insinuated that? I said no such thing - I said we'd have to wait to see who we get first, and we'd have to measure Barkley against the QBs we passed up on.
You need to make your point without putting words in people's mouths.
Not to mention, Goff is much better than 'good'.
Now - had the Rams selected Winston and then went with a RB tenth in the following draft, the results would have been disastrous.
See who the Giants get at QB first, see what those QBs turn out to be (like the case with Winston here), and then we can grade it. Until then, there's really no wrong or right.
gurley was before goff
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but Goff first.
Not to mention, Goff is much better than 'good'.
Now - had the Rams selected Winston and then went with a RB tenth in the following draft, the results would have been disastrous.
See who the Giants get at QB first, see what those QBs turn out to be (like the case with Winston here), and then we can grade it. Until then, there's really no wrong or right.
gurley was before goff
Draft position, not year.
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but Goff first.
Not to mention, Goff is much better than 'good'.
Now - had the Rams selected Winston and then went with a RB tenth in the following draft, the results would have been disastrous.
See who the Giants get at QB first, see what those QBs turn out to be (like the case with Winston here), and then we can grade it. Until then, there's really no wrong or right.
gurley was before goff
He means that Goff was the number one pick his year.
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but Goff first.
Not to mention, Goff is much better than 'good'.
Now - had the Rams selected Winston and then went with a RB tenth in the following draft, the results would have been disastrous.
See who the Giants get at QB first, see what those QBs turn out to be (like the case with Winston here), and then we can grade it. Until then, there's really no wrong or right.
gurley was before goff
Draft position, not year.
gotcha
Not to mention, Goff is much better than 'good'.
Now - had the Rams selected Winston and then went with a RB tenth in the following draft, the results would have been disastrous.
See who the Giants get at QB first, see what those QBs turn out to be (like the case with Winston here), and then we can grade it. Until then, there's really no wrong or right.
The last sentence is right - there's no wrong or right until we know who we wind up with and we see what the guys we passed on turn out like.
What I can tell you is that Saquon Barkley is the real deal.
And it is hugely important to hit on a 2nd overall pick. If you whiff on that pick, it's a massive blunder.
We didn't whiff.
The Giants are just so bad now. I think this would matter more if the team was closer to winning - but we weren't and we're not.
We can still get a QB and get the right one in this process and it can turn out that taking Barkley was a fine choice.
There were a lot of great players like that in NFL history who never really had a chance at a championship. Never even sniffed the Superbowl.
He's our 2nd leading receiver.
For the life of me I wish I could understand what people find so appealing about the Cowboys situation.
Has that OL won them championships? Gotten them deep into the playoffs?
Yes, OL play is important. Ours is worse than average, and possibly the worst in the league. But the pining for putting an average QB behind an above average OL here lately is just bizarre. Who is that working out for?
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the best players at 2, according to the people who know a little about Quarterbacking in this league. SB was not taken for just this year. He’s a stud for the future. A QB will be developed moving forward. Rebuild the OL through the draft, have a stud RB and superb WRs and you can place a Zak Prescott back there if you had to
For the life of me I wish I could understand what people find so appealing about the Cowboys situation.
Has that OL won them championships? Gotten them deep into the playoffs?
Yes, OL play is important. Ours is worse than average, and possibly the worst in the league. But the pining for putting an average QB behind an above average OL here lately is just bizarre. Who is that working out for?
There's a grand canyon sized gap between the Cowboys OL and ours, though there's has taken a step back without TF.
Philly has a very good OL. Rams have a solid OL. Both have good, young QBs who's development has certainly benefited from strong the OLs.
I think a big part of how Carr is playing is due to their OL. They were very good 2(3?) years ago when he was an "ascending" star, and dropped to below average last year when his play dropped significantly.
You don't need 3 all pros on the OL like the Cowboys/Eagles, and I'd argue paying 3 OL among the highest at their positions is poor cap allocation, but you need at least a serviceable OL to be competitive. The right side of the Giants OL is far from that level.
The tragedy in that post would be extending or restructuring Eli. He might have some football left in him, but it's clear he doesn't work here anymore. It's time to move on, and if we're paying $20m (or thereabouts) for his services again next year the team will just extend their time in Loserville.
I'm always leery of 'strong run defenses' unless I know that teams aren't just passing more against them because they can, or teams have fallen behind on them so they abandon the run.
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the best players at 2, according to the people who know a little about Quarterbacking in this league. SB was not taken for just this year. He’s a stud for the future. A QB will be developed moving forward. Rebuild the OL through the draft, have a stud RB and superb WRs and you can place a Zak Prescott back there if you had to
For the life of me I wish I could understand what people find so appealing about the Cowboys situation.
Has that OL won them championships? Gotten them deep into the playoffs?
Yes, OL play is important. Ours is worse than average, and possibly the worst in the league. But the pining for putting an average QB behind an above average OL here lately is just bizarre. Who is that working out for?
Not pining for a Prescott type. But rarely do you get the ideal trio of an Aikman, Smith and Irvin, a Peyton, James and Harrison or even a Warner (albeit a pick-up), Faulk and Holt, to name some off the top of my head. We have 2 of the 3 youngsters to fill that bill. If Eli goes, then Lauletta could be that part of the trio, or someone drafted next year.
Bottom line is if you have a Cowboys or Rams type OL, with a stud RB and WR, you can get away with a good but not great QB. Ideally I want that star trio
Game recognizes game. Enjoy the fact that he is everything we hoped he would be as a football player. Everything comes to an end and this team is paying for the sins of terrible drafts for a bunch of years. Not one quality offensive linemen has been added to this team in a long time before Gettlemen was here. Its going to take time to patch all the wholes.
Momma said there would be days like this. Get over it
Be it Peyton Manning, or Barry Sanders or L.T. - when a likely HOF pick is there, you take it, regardless of need or position.
It was a good QB draft but every one of those QB's had warts.
If we took a QB, half this board would be howling that we let Barkley get away.