Obviously nothing imminent or even likely to happen but watching this brutal game . But how would you personally feel about Eli to Jacksonville? Bortles is awful that team needs better.
Would you want to see Eli get another shot with another team to make a playoff run or rather see him retire having only played here?
I'm fine with that. I'm a fan of the NY Giants. I'll be grateful to Eli for his time with the team, and the two championships he helped deliver, but I don't believe he deserves a lifetime appointment as starting QB.
It's a business. When it was time to get paid, we had to pay him top dollar, because it's a business. Now that he's not capable of delivering, it's time to move on.
As I’ve said multiple times, if it was up to me, I would have cut ties with Manning in Feb. And I am strongly of the opinion they should cut ties with him right now, or at the end of this year if they have to wait. It’s not @ healthy relationship for Manning or the Giants.
Retire or cut he doesn't get that $$$
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The same posters who have been deluding themselves that Eli can still play, now , despite all the evidence think that another team would want him and that he would somehow play at a high level with his new team.
Unitas, Namath and Montana, just to name a few HOF QBs went to new teams and did not play well.
I appreciate all that Eli has done for the Giants, but he's done.
I was emphatic in my desire before DG was hired that the best thing for Manning and the Giants to part ways. I felt Manning was in a no win position in NY ... too many “fans” were invested in wanting to see him gone and there was no way to bring five top OL in one off-season. So it was obvious Manning was going to be heckled to death.
My feelings haven’t changed. I don’t think it is possible to measure the capability of an immobile QB behind an OL that couldn’t block most high school teams (only a small exaggeration). Maybe Manning’s arm is shot. Or maybe he’s permanently gun shy. But I’m confident there is not a single person on BBI that knows if that is true or not - and not a single person on BBI who knows how Manning would fare quarterbacking a SB cont3nder with a top 10 OL.
The fact that you put the word "fans" in quotes tells everyone exactly where you're coming from.
You think who Giants fans that think Eli is done and want to move on aren't really "fans" at all. The true Giant fans (like you) want to stick by Eli despite these indisputable facts:
1. He really hasn't played well for years.
2. If and when he plays another meaningful game, he will be 38.
I'm a fan because I want what's best for the Giants, not what's best for Eli.
Also, FYI, the only players who get "heckled to death" are the one who play poorly. If Eli can somehow start playing better, he will hear the same cheers he always has.
I put “fans” in quotes because there are people on BBI whom I am convinced are so personally invested in their position on Eli that they want him to fail.
But the more important point is that your statements in your post about Eli have zero basis in fact. It is my position that it is impossible to evaluate an immobile QB sitting behind an OL that couldn’t start in most colleges. And any assertion but anyone on BBI that says they can, I choos3 to believe is 100% pure bullshit.
Note I’m not saying Manning can still win a Lombardi. I’m saying it is impossible to evaluate behind the worst OL in football. And I strongly believ3 that those who say otherwise, by definition, have an agenda.
Sorry Bill, but there are NOT fans on BBI that want Eli to fail, just because they're "invested in their position". We are ALL passionate Giants fans who are tired of losing and just want to win.
I've been a Giants fan for 50+ years and have missed just 7 games during all that time. You think I (and others like me) are sitting home (or in the stands) thinking, "I sure hope Eli fucks up again so that I can win that argument with Bill on BBI.
Get a fucking grip!
I'm sure as fuck not going to start watching jaguars games if he joins them.
I will. Just as I did with Simms. And as I would have done with LT. There are certain iconic players who I, as @ Giants fan, will always feel are part of the Giants “team”. Manning holds virtually every passing record in Giants history and the odds are very good that he will hold one or more Giants records 25 or even 50 years from now.
As I’ve said multiple times, if it was up to me, I would have cut ties with Manning in Feb. And I am strongly of the opinion they should cut ties with him right now, or at the end of this year if they have to wait. It’s not @ healthy relationship for Manning or the Giants.
You did, but here was the lead-in to your reasoning:
People are invested in the Giants winning. Hell, forget winning, at least playing competitive football and trying to win. Eli hasn't given them a chance this year, and it's not because there's some secret group of fans gathering in secret wishing him to fail.
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The same posters who have been deluding themselves that Eli can still play, now , despite all the evidence think that another team would want him and that he would somehow play at a high level with his new team.
Unitas, Namath and Montana, just to name a few HOF QBs went to new teams and did not play well.
I appreciate all that Eli has done for the Giants, but he's done.
I was emphatic in my desire before DG was hired that the best thing for Manning and the Giants to part ways. I felt Manning was in a no win position in NY ... too many “fans” were invested in wanting to see him gone and there was no way to bring five top OL in one off-season. So it was obvious Manning was going to be heckled to death.
My feelings haven’t changed. I don’t think it is possible to measure the capability of an immobile QB behind an OL that couldn’t block most high school teams (only a small exaggeration). Maybe Manning’s arm is shot. Or maybe he’s permanently gun shy. But I’m confident there is not a single person on BBI that knows if that is true or not - and not a single person on BBI who knows how Manning would fare quarterbacking a SB cont3nder with a top 10 OL.
The fact that you put the word "fans" in quotes tells everyone exactly where you're coming from.
You think who Giants fans that think Eli is done and want to move on aren't really "fans" at all. The true Giant fans (like you) want to stick by Eli despite these indisputable facts:
1. He really hasn't played well for years.
2. If and when he plays another meaningful game, he will be 38.
I'm a fan because I want what's best for the Giants, not what's best for Eli.
Also, FYI, the only players who get "heckled to death" are the one who play poorly. If Eli can somehow start playing better, he will hear the same cheers he always has.
I put “fans” in quotes because there are people on BBI whom I am convinced are so personally invested in their position on Eli that they want him to fail.
But the more important point is that your statements in your post about Eli have zero basis in fact. It is my position that it is impossible to evaluate an immobile QB sitting behind an OL that couldn’t start in most colleges. And any assertion but anyone on BBI that says they can, I choos3 to believe is 100% pure bullshit.
Note I’m not saying Manning can still win a Lombardi. I’m saying it is impossible to evaluate behind the worst OL in football. And I strongly believ3 that those who say otherwise, by definition, have an agenda.
Sorry Bill, but there are NOT fans on BBI that want Eli to fail, just because they're "invested in their position". We are ALL passionate Giants fans who are tired of losing and just want to win.
I've been a Giants fan for 50+ years and have missed just 7 games during all that time. You think I (and others like me) are sitting home (or in the stands) thinking, "I sure hope Eli fucks up again so that I can win that argument with Bill on BBI.
Get a fucking grip!
It doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to know that you can’t evaluate an immobile QB behind what is likely the worst OL in Giants team history. Yet, so many “purported fans” are avidly doing exactly that. I don’t want to think they’re fucking stupid so I choose the alternative... they are personally invested here on BBI with the positions they have so avidly taken. How else to explain the inexplicable?
I thought he overall played at an altogether different level than Eli, a higher one. No way would the Jags replace him for 2018 Eli.
It doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to know that you can’t evaluate an immobile QB behind what is likely the worst OL in Giants team history. Yet, so many “purported fans” are avidly doing exactly that. I don’t want to think they’re fucking stupid so I choose the alternative... they are personally invested here on BBI with the positions they have so avidly taken. How else to explain the inexplicable?
You're right - which is why those other "fans" that soiled themselves when the Giants announced that they were going to bench Manning should be ashamed of themselves.
Because if Eli wasn't to blame for the offensive woes, the only way to tell was to see what the QBs behind him could do in the same situation. Instead, we got one game of Geno and then promptly reinserted Eli back into the starting rotation, making it impossible to properly evaluate his performance.
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It doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to know that you can’t evaluate an immobile QB behind what is likely the worst OL in Giants team history. Yet, so many “purported fans” are avidly doing exactly that. I don’t want to think they’re fucking stupid so I choose the alternative... they are personally invested here on BBI with the positions they have so avidly taken. How else to explain the inexplicable?
You're right - which is why those other "fans" that soiled themselves when the Giants announced that they were going to bench Manning should be ashamed of themselves.
Because if Eli wasn't to blame for the offensive woes, the only way to tell was to see what the QBs behind him could do in the same situation. Instead, we got one game of Geno and then promptly reinserted Eli back into the starting rotation, making it impossible to properly evaluate his performance.
It would only be informative if another immobike QB played well. If they stunk up the joint (which was highly likely knowing who they were), it wouldn’t have told us anything. Nor would it tell us anything about Manning if another QB had success using his feet (other than telling us Manning is immobile which we already know).
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The same posters who have been deluding themselves that Eli can still play, now , despite all the evidence think that another team would want him and that he would somehow play at a high level with his new team.
Unitas, Namath and Montana, just to name a few HOF QBs went to new teams and did not play well.
I appreciate all that Eli has done for the Giants, but he's done.
I was emphatic in my desire before DG was hired that the best thing for Manning and the Giants to part ways. I felt Manning was in a no win position in NY ... too many “fans” were invested in wanting to see him gone and there was no way to bring five top OL in one off-season. So it was obvious Manning was going to be heckled to death.
My feelings haven’t changed. I don’t think it is possible to measure the capability of an immobile QB behind an OL that couldn’t block most high school teams (only a small exaggeration). Maybe Manning’s arm is shot. Or maybe he’s permanently gun shy. But I’m confident there is not a single person on BBI that knows if that is true or not - and not a single person on BBI who knows how Manning would fare quarterbacking a SB cont3nder with a top 10 OL.
The fact that you put the word "fans" in quotes tells everyone exactly where you're coming from.
You think who Giants fans that think Eli is done and want to move on aren't really "fans" at all. The true Giant fans (like you) want to stick by Eli despite these indisputable facts:
1. He really hasn't played well for years.
2. If and when he plays another meaningful game, he will be 38.
I'm a fan because I want what's best for the Giants, not what's best for Eli.
Also, FYI, the only players who get "heckled to death" are the one who play poorly. If Eli can somehow start playing better, he will hear the same cheers he always has.
I put “fans” in quotes because there are people on BBI whom I am convinced are so personally invested in their position on Eli that they want him to fail.
But the more important point is that your statements in your post about Eli have zero basis in fact. It is my position that it is impossible to evaluate an immobile QB sitting behind an OL that couldn’t start in most colleges. And any assertion but anyone on BBI that says they can, I choos3 to believe is 100% pure bullshit.
Note I’m not saying Manning can still win a Lombardi. I’m saying it is impossible to evaluate behind the worst OL in football. And I strongly believ3 that those who say otherwise, by definition, have an agenda.
Sorry Bill, but there are NOT fans on BBI that want Eli to fail, just because they're "invested in their position". We are ALL passionate Giants fans who are tired of losing and just want to win.
I've been a Giants fan for 50+ years and have missed just 7 games during all that time. You think I (and others like me) are sitting home (or in the stands) thinking, "I sure hope Eli fucks up again so that I can win that argument with Bill on BBI.
Get a fucking grip!
It doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to know that you can’t evaluate an immobile QB behind what is likely the worst OL in Giants team history. Yet, so many “purported fans” are avidly doing exactly that. I don’t want to think they’re fucking stupid so I choose the alternative... they are personally invested here on BBI with the positions they have so avidly taken. How else to explain the inexplicable?
So we're either stupid or we're bad fans that just want to see Eli and the Giants fail?
Sounds like you've really thought this thing through.
However the problem with your thinking (besides the obvious) is that you act like Eli has been harassed on EVERY play.
He hasn't.
Quite often, even when Eli has the time he either makes a bad throw or (more likely) checks down for another 3 yard completion.
When he gets the slightest pressure he falls down, or he fumbles first and then falls down.
There are plenty of REAL football people (not fans like you and me) that also think that Eli is done.
And even if you disagree, next year Eli will be 38.
Time to face facts.
But he will be proven wrong. Just a hunch. Its tough for these guy to walk away from a game they love and have played their whole life
So this truly is his farewell tour.
It would only be informative if another immobike QB played well. If they stunk up the joint (which was highly likely knowing who they were), it wouldn’t have told us anything. Nor would it tell us anything about Manning if another QB had success using his feet (other than telling us Manning is immobile which we already know).
Wait - if another QB played well, it wouldn't tell us anything unless they were also immobile?
You should just stop, you started off not making sense and you're only digging a deeper hole.
Why the 9 year gap?
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It would only be informative if another immobike QB played well. If they stunk up the joint (which was highly likely knowing who they were), it wouldn’t have told us anything. Nor would it tell us anything about Manning if another QB had success using his feet (other than telling us Manning is immobile which we already know).
Wait - if another QB played well, it wouldn't tell us anything unless they were also immobile?
You should just stop, you started off not making sense and you're only digging a deeper hole.
You are the one not thinking. Manning has never been a mobile QB. By definition he is not the QB you want if you have a bad OL. That has been true about Eli Manning every single year he has been a NYGiant.
I have simply been pointing out that it is impossible to evaluate Manning ... to determine how much his arm and accuracy have deteriorated when he is a statue with zero protection. It is the primary reason I wanted the Giants to cut ties with him in Feb. It just wasn’t a good match IMO because I felt it unlikely the Giants could acquire and develop the type of OL a QB like Manning needs to succeed. And that’s going to remain true n3xt year too. It’s just a horrible fit.
So I’m not objecting to moving Manning. I’ve been a strong advocate for doing so. Not because I believe Manning is no longer the QB he onc was. Rather because I know Manning - at his best - is not a good fit with a horrendously weak OL.
Why the 9 year gap?
;>)
I have watched every single snap of every single Giants game since 1970 (when I graduated HS). That wasn’t true before that (while I watched and was a fan, I was actively playing football (and basketball and tennis) before 1970.
The other myth here is that Eli is the only QB in the league who has a bad OL. It is easier to count the teams that have a good OL. There are QBs out there who are also dealing with shit. Ask Andrew Luck about his offensive line. Russel Wilson has been running for his life for years.
Manning has never been tremendously accurate. IMO he always struggled to put “touch” on passes behind the LOS. He often threw high. His best ball tended to be the long 40 yard+ ball.
What Manning brought more than maybe any QB I’ve ever seen - was coming up big in big moments. Drives with less than 2 minutes in the game. Or any game in the playoffs. He was money. Ice in his veins. And he played his BEST ball in those spots.
I don’t know what he’d be like now behind a solid OL. But I am very confident nobody else knows either.
Manning has never been tremendously accurate. IMO he always struggled to put “touch” on passes behind the LOS. He often threw high. His best ball tended to be the long 40 yard+ ball.
ok you are saying he cannot avoid the rush or pickup a first down and he is not an accurate passer. So.. what the hell?
I was specifically talking about his efforts at screens or other passes behind th3 line of scrimmage... he’s the worst I’ve ever seen... he tends to throw it a million miles an hour at a RB 10 feet away from him... and any time he tries to put an arc on a screen pass, it seems that 50% of those get intercepted... it’s actually to the point of being amusing (although I must say that I don’t se3 any of that with his throws to Barkley).
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Manning has never been tremendously accurate. IMO he always struggled to put “touch” on passes behind the LOS. He often threw high. His best ball tended to be the long 40 yard+ ball.
ok you are saying he cannot avoid the rush or pickup a first down and he is not an accurate passer. So.. what the hell?
Yea, what he is, is a great pocket QB. Given the protection, he makes the right reads. He makes good decisions. And he gets the ball where it needs to be (wounded duck and all). He’s not a great athlete. He’s a great QB.
He would have thrived with Johnny U during the days QBs called their own game. Manning, at his best, commanded the field. Made corrective calls. Beat the defenses with his play adjustm3nts and with his reading 5he defenses as the plays unfolded.
Yea. It took m3 time to get over his lack of pure athleticism - and my bias and attachment to Phil Simms - but Manning won me over by being a great QB and field general despite being just an ok passer.
Yea, what he is, is a great pocket QB. Given the protection, he makes the right reads. He makes good decisions. And he gets the ball where it needs to be (wounded duck and all). He’s not a great athlete. He’s a great QB.
He has not done that in a VERY long time even when he has had time to throw. Those days are long gone. He also was never "great". He was a very good QB. Better than average. Top 10 when he was at his best. Don't throw the word "great" around like that. It diminishes the accomplishments of those who truly were great.
BTW, Eli has a lot of other positive traits that you failed to mention.
IMao these are traits that make a great QB versus quarterbacks who are great athletes (great passers and/or great mobility). But many, many (probably most) QBs today rely upon their physical skills but fall short on their ability to command the field. Many are not capable of making correct pre-snap adjustments nor are they able to process their reads fast enough to go through an entire progression in time to make a play.
It is one of the main reasons I suspect Manning isn’t done. His strengths have never been athleticism but rather it is understanding and command of football itself... the ability to rapidly process what he sees and react mentally to the next decision point. I suspect those skill# have likely matured like a good wine. But we are almost never going to find out so long as he remains a NY Giant behind an OL that doesn’t play to his strengths.
I am sorry but he has not done that in a very long time. In fact, the defenses are basically manipulating him now into checking out of the original play and into a play that they prefer that we run. You can see it happening. He also is not going through his progressions. He is looking at the primary and if it is not there he is immediately checking down. It is not just this year either. Been happening for a while. He is not seeing the field and you cannot deny that. There are guys wide open on one side of the field and he is forcing the ball into double coverage on the other side.
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It would only be informative if another immobike QB played well. If they stunk up the joint (which was highly likely knowing who they were), it wouldn’t have told us anything. Nor would it tell us anything about Manning if another QB had success using his feet (other than telling us Manning is immobile which we already know).
Wait - if another QB played well, it wouldn't tell us anything unless they were also immobile?
You should just stop, you started off not making sense and you're only digging a deeper hole.
You are the one not thinking. Manning has never been a mobile QB. By definition he is not the QB you want if you have a bad OL. That has been true about Eli Manning every single year he has been a NYGiant.
I have simply been pointing out that it is impossible to evaluate Manning ... to determine how much his arm and accuracy have deteriorated when he is a statue with zero protection. It is the primary reason I wanted the Giants to cut ties with him in Feb. It just wasn’t a good match IMO because I felt it unlikely the Giants could acquire and develop the type of OL a QB like Manning needs to succeed. And that’s going to remain true n3xt year too. It’s just a horrible fit.
So I’m not objecting to moving Manning. I’ve been a strong advocate for doing so. Not because I believe Manning is no longer the QB he onc was. Rather because I know Manning - at his best - is not a good fit with a horrendously weak OL.
You didn't address your statement though - that we can't evaluate the offense by benching Manning because the replacement QB wouldn't be immobile. That's just crazy.
The purpose isn't to evaluate Manning - it's to evaluate the offense, including the OL. Put another QB in there, see how they do.
That's what should have happened last season. And it should still happen this season. Chances are, there's no offensive improvement whatsoever. There could even be a decline in offensive production, if that's possible. But you can't at least *try* to see what percentage, if any, of the offensive issues are the direct result of Eli.
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field general... having command of the offense... and playing chess with the defense in his pre-snap adjustments and seeing the entire field as the play unfolds and being capable of quickly going through his progressions.
I am sorry but he has not done that in a very long time. In fact, the defenses are basically manipulating him now into checking out of the original play and into a play that they prefer that we run. You can see it happening. He also is not going through his progressions. He is looking at the primary and if it is not there he is immediately checking down. It is not just this year either. Been happening for a while. He is not seeing the field and you cannot deny that. There are guys wide open on one side of the field and he is forcing the ball into double coverage on the other side.
I’ve said it before and I guess I h@ve to keenrepeating it. Eli Manning cannot play his game without solid protection. He gets happy feet @nd his internal clock is shortened. I suspect he doesn’t go through his progressions because the majority of the snaps he doesn’t h@ve 5ime (and when he does have time he has no way to know he’s not @bout to be blindsided).
There is only one way to know if Manning is still the QB who cam almost make the right read in his progressions and get the ball to the correct player based upon a rapid scan through all his progressions. We won’t know until he plays behind a top 10 OL. However, I don’t see why a 37 year old man would suddenly lose his mental acuity. I suspect the opposite is true - he has a better grasp of reading defenses and coverages today than at any other point in his career.
But this team is at least two full drafts and free agencies away from having an OL that would suit Manning (or guys like Namath and Marino). It is just foolish for the Giants to be trying to force a round peg into a square hole. I don’t know if Manning will ever get a chance with another team, but as I said last year the current OL is just not compatible with a statue like Manning.
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It would only be informative if another immobike QB played well. If they stunk up the joint (which was highly likely knowing who they were), it wouldn’t have told us anything. Nor would it tell us anything about Manning if another QB had success using his feet (other than telling us Manning is immobile which we already know).
Wait - if another QB played well, it wouldn't tell us anything unless they were also immobile?
You should just stop, you started off not making sense and you're only digging a deeper hole.
You are the one not thinking. Manning has never been a mobile QB. By definition he is not the QB you want if you have a bad OL. That has been true about Eli Manning every single year he has been a NYGiant.
I have simply been pointing out that it is impossible to evaluate Manning ... to determine how much his arm and accuracy have deteriorated when he is a statue with zero protection. It is the primary reason I wanted the Giants to cut ties with him in Feb. It just wasn’t a good match IMO because I felt it unlikely the Giants could acquire and develop the type of OL a QB like Manning needs to succeed. And that’s going to remain true n3xt year too. It’s just a horrible fit.
So I’m not objecting to moving Manning. I’ve been a strong advocate for doing so. Not because I believe Manning is no longer the QB he onc was. Rather because I know Manning - at his best - is not a good fit with a horrendously weak OL.
You didn't address your statement though - that we can't evaluate the offense by benching Manning because the replacement QB wouldn't be immobile. That's just crazy.
The purpose isn't to evaluate Manning - it's to evaluate the offense, including the OL. Put another QB in there, see how they do.
That's what should have happened last season. And it should still happen this season. Chances are, there's no offensive improvement whatsoever. There could even be a decline in offensive production, if that's possible. But you can't at least *try* to see what percentage, if any, of the offensive issues are the direct result of Eli.
I agree 100% with playing Lauretta for the rest of the season. You or someone said the reason is to see what Manning has left. I’m just pointing ou5 that it 2nt tell anyone jackbshit about what Manning has left. M@nning cannot play football behind a shitcan OL. Put Manning in front of a top 10 OL and it’s reasonable to assume his mental acuity is as good, if not better, than ever.But that is not ever going to be with these Giants until @t least two more seasons. Manning and the Giants are both losers in the current setting.
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It would only be informative if another immobike QB played well. If they stunk up the joint (which was highly likely knowing who they were), it wouldn’t have told us anything. Nor would it tell us anything about Manning if another QB had success using his feet (other than telling us Manning is immobile which we already know).
Wait - if another QB played well, it wouldn't tell us anything unless they were also immobile?
You should just stop, you started off not making sense and you're only digging a deeper hole.
You are the one not thinking. Manning has never been a mobile QB. By definition he is not the QB you want if you have a bad OL. That has been true about Eli Manning every single year he has been a NYGiant.
I have simply been pointing out that it is impossible to evaluate Manning ... to determine how much his arm and accuracy have deteriorated when he is a statue with zero protection. It is the primary reason I wanted the Giants to cut ties with him in Feb. It just wasn’t a good match IMO because I felt it unlikely the Giants could acquire and develop the type of OL a QB like Manning needs to succeed. And that’s going to remain true n3xt year too. It’s just a horrible fit.
So I’m not objecting to moving Manning. I’ve been a strong advocate for doing so. Not because I believe Manning is no longer the QB he onc was. Rather because I know Manning - at his best - is not a good fit with a horrendously weak OL.
You didn't address your statement though - that we can't evaluate the offense by benching Manning because the replacement QB wouldn't be immobile. That's just crazy.
The purpose isn't to evaluate Manning - it's to evaluate the offense, including the OL. Put another QB in there, see how they do.
That's what should have happened last season. And it should still happen this season. Chances are, there's no offensive improvement whatsoever. There could even be a decline in offensive production, if that's possible. But you can't at least *try* to see what percentage, if any, of the offensive issues are the direct result of Eli.
As for what percentage of problems are due to Eli with this OL ... duh ... hello ... Eli is a statue ... put Brady back there and you won’t see a difference. Put Wilson back there and you’ll see a huge difference. That has ZERO to do with Manning losing anything. The Manning of 2006 would be having the exact same problems we see with the Manning of today. It is the style of QB he is - he has never performed well with a shitty OL.
The purpose of benching Manning was twofold - see what the offense is like with another QB under center, and see what the other QBs on the roster are capable of.
The purpose of benching Manning was twofold - see what the offense is like with another QB under center, and see what the other QBs on the roster are capable of.
It’s not on me. Someone said that was a reason to play a different QB and I was simply pointing out that, while I believe the Giants should play Lauretta, doing so would NOT say anything whatsoever about Manning that we don’t already know (and have known for the entirety of his Giants career.).
Unlikely but it would be my wet dream
Wait you said you rather see Eli knock the Giants out of the playoffs than the Giants win, and are calling people not real fans for wanting Manning our?
Unlikely but it would be my wet dream
That's a weird fucking take and an even weirder wet dream.
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When he is no longer a giant I will thank him for all the great memories and wish him well in whatever he chooses to do.
I'm sure as fuck not going to start watching jaguars games if he joins them.
I will. Just as I did with Simms. And as I would have done with LT. There are certain iconic players who I, as @ Giants fan, will always feel are part of the Giants “team”. Manning holds virtually every passing record in Giants history and the odds are very good that he will hold one or more Giants records 25 or even 50 years from now.
Simms never played another game after the Giants released him. WTF are you talking about?
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the remainder of his career. I’d have preferred the Jets simply for the selfish reason that I’d want to continue watching every snap he plays. Any place else and I’ll be willing to spend the bucks to get the DirecTV package. It would be a good move for Manning and allow the Giants to move on. And believe me when I say that I’ll be rooting for Manning 100% - esp if he is lucky enough to play the Giants - better yet, knocking the Giants out of the playoffs and then going on to win another Lombardi and MVP.
Unlikely but it would be my wet dream
Wait you said you rather see Eli knock the Giants out of the playoffs than the Giants win, and are calling people not real fans for wanting Manning our?
You’re right. I was just angry.
Unlikely but it would be my wet dream
Wait you said you rather see Eli knock the Giants out of the playoffs than the Giants win, and are calling people not real fans for wanting Manning our?
You’re right. I was just angry.
Just came back and checked in on this thread and I've got to say this is an absolutely pathetic statement. And you can't say that it was just because you were "angry".
If Eli went to another team your "wet dream" (your words) would be for him to knock the Giants out of the playoffs?
And you criticize others for being poor fans?
This is the very definition of "fanboy"... someone who puts their love of a player over the team they claim to root for.
You're really carrying yourself well here. Bravo!
only touch on his passes were when younger and the long ball and a few (ie manningham etc) but nowadays, his touch passes are all over the place (ie screens)..shell shocked does and ruins careers. Never a highly accurate passer if was any it was years ago and now and then