Obviously nothing imminent or even likely to happen but watching this brutal game . But how would you personally feel about Eli to Jacksonville? Bortles is awful that team needs better.
Would you want to see Eli get another shot with another team to make a playoff run or rather see him retire having only played here?
Germans Bombed Pearl Bailey
Yes.....
I don't know if that's in Jax, but so long as it's not with the Redskins, Eagles or Cowboys, I'd love for it to happen. I don't see us putting together an offense that could feature Eli any time soon.
Especially Bortles but Dallas has dominated
every phase and Bortles is average without a run game .
Agree totally. Mara manages this team based on nostalgia. An old washed up QB and a 67yr old GM with a Dinosaur idea in how to build a team that used to work in the franchise. Not a 40yr old GM that knows how to build a team in 2018 NFL
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Agree totally. Mara manages this team based on nostalgia. An old washed up QB and a 67yr old GM with a Dinosaur idea in how to build a team that used to work in the franchise. Not a 40yr old GM that knows how to build a team in 2018 NFL
Lol
So why would they take Manning? He's been done for two years.
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Agree totally. Mara manages this team based on nostalgia. An old washed up QB and a 67yr old GM with a Dinosaur idea in how to build a team that used to work in the franchise. Not a 40yr old GM that knows how to build a team in 2018 NFL
Lol
Hate to break it to you fellas, but Jerry Reese was in his early 40s when he was hired to be the Giants' GM in 2007.
Hint, it's not their age, it's how they build the team in the trenches. Reese failed at it from 2011 on, Gettleman has failed so far this year.
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Agree totally. Mara manages this team based on nostalgia. An old washed up QB and a 67yr old GM with a Dinosaur idea in how to build a team that used to work in the franchise. Not a 40yr old GM that knows how to build a team in 2018 NFL
Lol
Hate to break it to you fellas, but Jerry Reese was in his early 40s when he was hired to be the Giants' GM in 2007.
Hint, it's not their age, it's how they build the team in the trenches. Reese failed at it from 2011 on, Gettleman has failed so far this year.
Unlikely but it would be my wet dream
Unitas, Namath and Montana, just to name a few HOF QBs went to new teams and did not play well.
I appreciate all that Eli has done for the Giants, but he's done.
...because Eli Manning will be out of the NFL after this season.
Voluntarily.
Or, involuntarily.
Unitas, Namath and Montana, just to name a few HOF QBs went to new teams and did not play well.
I appreciate all that Eli has done for the Giants, but he's done.
I was emphatic in my desire before DG was hired that the best thing for Manning and the Giants to part ways. I felt Manning was in a no win position in NY ... too many “fans” were invested in wanting to see him gone and there was no way to bring five top OL in one off-season. So it was obvious Manning was going to be heckled to death.
My feelings haven’t changed. I don’t think it is possible to measure the capability of an immobile QB behind an OL that couldn’t block most high school teams (only a small exaggeration). Maybe Manning’s arm is shot. Or maybe he’s permanently gun shy. But I’m confident there is not a single person on BBI that knows if that is true or not - and not a single person on BBI who knows how Manning would fare quarterbacking a SB cont3nder with a top 10 OL.
Me either but like I responded to another comment, Neither was peyton his final season in Denver. I think eli has more to offer than Bortles and can't ignore the Coughlin connection.
Most likely which I prefaced in my OP, but you can't overlook human emotions in this sometimes. There is definitely a possibility Coughlin and the Jaguars could convince themselves that washed up Eli is better in post season than awful Bortles
Other then the New York Giants You mean? There's one franchise trotting him out there every Sunday
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The same posters who have been deluding themselves that Eli can still play, now , despite all the evidence think that another team would want him and that he would somehow play at a high level with his new team.
Unitas, Namath and Montana, just to name a few HOF QBs went to new teams and did not play well.
I appreciate all that Eli has done for the Giants, but he's done.
I was emphatic in my desire before DG was hired that the best thing for Manning and the Giants to part ways. I felt Manning was in a no win position in NY ... too many “fans” were invested in wanting to see him gone and there was no way to bring five top OL in one off-season. So it was obvious Manning was going to be heckled to death.
My feelings haven’t changed. I don’t think it is possible to measure the capability of an immobile QB behind an OL that couldn’t block most high school teams (only a small exaggeration). Maybe Manning’s arm is shot. Or maybe he’s permanently gun shy. But I’m confident there is not a single person on BBI that knows if that is true or not - and not a single person on BBI who knows how Manning would fare quarterbacking a SB cont3nder with a top 10 OL.
The fact that you put the word "fans" in quotes tells everyone exactly where you're coming from.
You think who Giants fans that think Eli is done and want to move on aren't really "fans" at all. The true Giant fans (like you) want to stick by Eli despite these indisputable facts:
1. He really hasn't played well for years.
2. If and when he plays another meaningful game, he will be 38.
I'm a fan because I want what's best for the Giants, not what's best for Eli.
Also, FYI, the only players who get "heckled to death" are the one who play poorly. If Eli can somehow start playing better, he will hear the same cheers he always has.
Some will say he’s done, too old, etc. but Kurt Warner player to 38 and he was more of a statue than Eli with more wear and tear.
Don't let the stats fool you. Completion percentage doesn't mean anything if he's completing a bunch of 4 yard passes. Yardage doesn't mean anything when you get a bunch of garbage time yards when the defense backs off.
I don't see any team, including Jacksonville, that would want him as a starter.
It s becoming very clear that some are bigger Eli fans than Giants fans. Consequently we who were ready to move on, are not good "fans"
That said, I hope Eli plays a hell of a game Monday.
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The same posters who have been deluding themselves that Eli can still play, now , despite all the evidence think that another team would want him and that he would somehow play at a high level with his new team.
Unitas, Namath and Montana, just to name a few HOF QBs went to new teams and did not play well.
I appreciate all that Eli has done for the Giants, but he's done.
I was emphatic in my desire before DG was hired that the best thing for Manning and the Giants to part ways. I felt Manning was in a no win position in NY ... too many “fans” were invested in wanting to see him gone and there was no way to bring five top OL in one off-season. So it was obvious Manning was going to be heckled to death.
My feelings haven’t changed. I don’t think it is possible to measure the capability of an immobile QB behind an OL that couldn’t block most high school teams (only a small exaggeration). Maybe Manning’s arm is shot. Or maybe he’s permanently gun shy. But I’m confident there is not a single person on BBI that knows if that is true or not - and not a single person on BBI who knows how Manning would fare quarterbacking a SB cont3nder with a top 10 OL.
The fact that you put the word "fans" in quotes tells everyone exactly where you're coming from.
You think who Giants fans that think Eli is done and want to move on aren't really "fans" at all. The true Giant fans (like you) want to stick by Eli despite these indisputable facts:
1. He really hasn't played well for years.
2. If and when he plays another meaningful game, he will be 38.
I'm a fan because I want what's best for the Giants, not what's best for Eli.
Also, FYI, the only players who get "heckled to death" are the one who play poorly. If Eli can somehow start playing better, he will hear the same cheers he always has.
I put “fans” in quotes because there are people on BBI whom I am convinced are so personally invested in their position on Eli that they want him to fail.
But the more important point is that your statements in your post about Eli have zero basis in fact. It is my position that it is impossible to evaluate an immobile QB sitting behind an OL that couldn’t start in most colleges. And any assertion but anyone on BBI that says they can, I choos3 to believe is 100% pure bullshit.
Note I’m not saying Manning can still win a Lombardi. I’m saying it is impossible to evaluate behind the worst OL in football. And I strongly believ3 that those who say otherwise, by definition, have an agenda.
I'm fine with that. I'm a fan of the NY Giants. I'll be grateful to Eli for his time with the team, and the two championships he helped deliver, but I don't believe he deserves a lifetime appointment as starting QB.
It's a business. When it was time to get paid, we had to pay him top dollar, because it's a business. Now that he's not capable of delivering, it's time to move on.
I'm sure as fuck not going to start watching jaguars games if he joins them.
I'm fine with that. I'm a fan of the NY Giants. I'll be grateful to Eli for his time with the team, and the two championships he helped deliver, but I don't believe he deserves a lifetime appointment as starting QB.
It's a business. When it was time to get paid, we had to pay him top dollar, because it's a business. Now that he's not capable of delivering, it's time to move on.
As I’ve said multiple times, if it was up to me, I would have cut ties with Manning in Feb. And I am strongly of the opinion they should cut ties with him right now, or at the end of this year if they have to wait. It’s not @ healthy relationship for Manning or the Giants.
Retire or cut he doesn't get that $$$
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The same posters who have been deluding themselves that Eli can still play, now , despite all the evidence think that another team would want him and that he would somehow play at a high level with his new team.
Unitas, Namath and Montana, just to name a few HOF QBs went to new teams and did not play well.
I appreciate all that Eli has done for the Giants, but he's done.
I was emphatic in my desire before DG was hired that the best thing for Manning and the Giants to part ways. I felt Manning was in a no win position in NY ... too many “fans” were invested in wanting to see him gone and there was no way to bring five top OL in one off-season. So it was obvious Manning was going to be heckled to death.
My feelings haven’t changed. I don’t think it is possible to measure the capability of an immobile QB behind an OL that couldn’t block most high school teams (only a small exaggeration). Maybe Manning’s arm is shot. Or maybe he’s permanently gun shy. But I’m confident there is not a single person on BBI that knows if that is true or not - and not a single person on BBI who knows how Manning would fare quarterbacking a SB cont3nder with a top 10 OL.
The fact that you put the word "fans" in quotes tells everyone exactly where you're coming from.
You think who Giants fans that think Eli is done and want to move on aren't really "fans" at all. The true Giant fans (like you) want to stick by Eli despite these indisputable facts:
1. He really hasn't played well for years.
2. If and when he plays another meaningful game, he will be 38.
I'm a fan because I want what's best for the Giants, not what's best for Eli.
Also, FYI, the only players who get "heckled to death" are the one who play poorly. If Eli can somehow start playing better, he will hear the same cheers he always has.
I put “fans” in quotes because there are people on BBI whom I am convinced are so personally invested in their position on Eli that they want him to fail.
But the more important point is that your statements in your post about Eli have zero basis in fact. It is my position that it is impossible to evaluate an immobile QB sitting behind an OL that couldn’t start in most colleges. And any assertion but anyone on BBI that says they can, I choos3 to believe is 100% pure bullshit.
Note I’m not saying Manning can still win a Lombardi. I’m saying it is impossible to evaluate behind the worst OL in football. And I strongly believ3 that those who say otherwise, by definition, have an agenda.
Sorry Bill, but there are NOT fans on BBI that want Eli to fail, just because they're "invested in their position". We are ALL passionate Giants fans who are tired of losing and just want to win.
I've been a Giants fan for 50+ years and have missed just 7 games during all that time. You think I (and others like me) are sitting home (or in the stands) thinking, "I sure hope Eli fucks up again so that I can win that argument with Bill on BBI.
Get a fucking grip!
I'm sure as fuck not going to start watching jaguars games if he joins them.
I will. Just as I did with Simms. And as I would have done with LT. There are certain iconic players who I, as @ Giants fan, will always feel are part of the Giants “team”. Manning holds virtually every passing record in Giants history and the odds are very good that he will hold one or more Giants records 25 or even 50 years from now.
As I’ve said multiple times, if it was up to me, I would have cut ties with Manning in Feb. And I am strongly of the opinion they should cut ties with him right now, or at the end of this year if they have to wait. It’s not @ healthy relationship for Manning or the Giants.
You did, but here was the lead-in to your reasoning:
People are invested in the Giants winning. Hell, forget winning, at least playing competitive football and trying to win. Eli hasn't given them a chance this year, and it's not because there's some secret group of fans gathering in secret wishing him to fail.
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The same posters who have been deluding themselves that Eli can still play, now , despite all the evidence think that another team would want him and that he would somehow play at a high level with his new team.
Unitas, Namath and Montana, just to name a few HOF QBs went to new teams and did not play well.
I appreciate all that Eli has done for the Giants, but he's done.
I was emphatic in my desire before DG was hired that the best thing for Manning and the Giants to part ways. I felt Manning was in a no win position in NY ... too many “fans” were invested in wanting to see him gone and there was no way to bring five top OL in one off-season. So it was obvious Manning was going to be heckled to death.
My feelings haven’t changed. I don’t think it is possible to measure the capability of an immobile QB behind an OL that couldn’t block most high school teams (only a small exaggeration). Maybe Manning’s arm is shot. Or maybe he’s permanently gun shy. But I’m confident there is not a single person on BBI that knows if that is true or not - and not a single person on BBI who knows how Manning would fare quarterbacking a SB cont3nder with a top 10 OL.
The fact that you put the word "fans" in quotes tells everyone exactly where you're coming from.
You think who Giants fans that think Eli is done and want to move on aren't really "fans" at all. The true Giant fans (like you) want to stick by Eli despite these indisputable facts:
1. He really hasn't played well for years.
2. If and when he plays another meaningful game, he will be 38.
I'm a fan because I want what's best for the Giants, not what's best for Eli.
Also, FYI, the only players who get "heckled to death" are the one who play poorly. If Eli can somehow start playing better, he will hear the same cheers he always has.
I put “fans” in quotes because there are people on BBI whom I am convinced are so personally invested in their position on Eli that they want him to fail.
But the more important point is that your statements in your post about Eli have zero basis in fact. It is my position that it is impossible to evaluate an immobile QB sitting behind an OL that couldn’t start in most colleges. And any assertion but anyone on BBI that says they can, I choos3 to believe is 100% pure bullshit.
Note I’m not saying Manning can still win a Lombardi. I’m saying it is impossible to evaluate behind the worst OL in football. And I strongly believ3 that those who say otherwise, by definition, have an agenda.
Sorry Bill, but there are NOT fans on BBI that want Eli to fail, just because they're "invested in their position". We are ALL passionate Giants fans who are tired of losing and just want to win.
I've been a Giants fan for 50+ years and have missed just 7 games during all that time. You think I (and others like me) are sitting home (or in the stands) thinking, "I sure hope Eli fucks up again so that I can win that argument with Bill on BBI.
Get a fucking grip!
It doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to know that you can’t evaluate an immobile QB behind what is likely the worst OL in Giants team history. Yet, so many “purported fans” are avidly doing exactly that. I don’t want to think they’re fucking stupid so I choose the alternative... they are personally invested here on BBI with the positions they have so avidly taken. How else to explain the inexplicable?
I thought he overall played at an altogether different level than Eli, a higher one. No way would the Jags replace him for 2018 Eli.
It doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to know that you can’t evaluate an immobile QB behind what is likely the worst OL in Giants team history. Yet, so many “purported fans” are avidly doing exactly that. I don’t want to think they’re fucking stupid so I choose the alternative... they are personally invested here on BBI with the positions they have so avidly taken. How else to explain the inexplicable?
You're right - which is why those other "fans" that soiled themselves when the Giants announced that they were going to bench Manning should be ashamed of themselves.
Because if Eli wasn't to blame for the offensive woes, the only way to tell was to see what the QBs behind him could do in the same situation. Instead, we got one game of Geno and then promptly reinserted Eli back into the starting rotation, making it impossible to properly evaluate his performance.
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It doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to know that you can’t evaluate an immobile QB behind what is likely the worst OL in Giants team history. Yet, so many “purported fans” are avidly doing exactly that. I don’t want to think they’re fucking stupid so I choose the alternative... they are personally invested here on BBI with the positions they have so avidly taken. How else to explain the inexplicable?
You're right - which is why those other "fans" that soiled themselves when the Giants announced that they were going to bench Manning should be ashamed of themselves.
Because if Eli wasn't to blame for the offensive woes, the only way to tell was to see what the QBs behind him could do in the same situation. Instead, we got one game of Geno and then promptly reinserted Eli back into the starting rotation, making it impossible to properly evaluate his performance.
It would only be informative if another immobike QB played well. If they stunk up the joint (which was highly likely knowing who they were), it wouldn’t have told us anything. Nor would it tell us anything about Manning if another QB had success using his feet (other than telling us Manning is immobile which we already know).
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The same posters who have been deluding themselves that Eli can still play, now , despite all the evidence think that another team would want him and that he would somehow play at a high level with his new team.
Unitas, Namath and Montana, just to name a few HOF QBs went to new teams and did not play well.
I appreciate all that Eli has done for the Giants, but he's done.
I was emphatic in my desire before DG was hired that the best thing for Manning and the Giants to part ways. I felt Manning was in a no win position in NY ... too many “fans” were invested in wanting to see him gone and there was no way to bring five top OL in one off-season. So it was obvious Manning was going to be heckled to death.
My feelings haven’t changed. I don’t think it is possible to measure the capability of an immobile QB behind an OL that couldn’t block most high school teams (only a small exaggeration). Maybe Manning’s arm is shot. Or maybe he’s permanently gun shy. But I’m confident there is not a single person on BBI that knows if that is true or not - and not a single person on BBI who knows how Manning would fare quarterbacking a SB cont3nder with a top 10 OL.
The fact that you put the word "fans" in quotes tells everyone exactly where you're coming from.
You think who Giants fans that think Eli is done and want to move on aren't really "fans" at all. The true Giant fans (like you) want to stick by Eli despite these indisputable facts:
1. He really hasn't played well for years.
2. If and when he plays another meaningful game, he will be 38.
I'm a fan because I want what's best for the Giants, not what's best for Eli.
Also, FYI, the only players who get "heckled to death" are the one who play poorly. If Eli can somehow start playing better, he will hear the same cheers he always has.
I put “fans” in quotes because there are people on BBI whom I am convinced are so personally invested in their position on Eli that they want him to fail.
But the more important point is that your statements in your post about Eli have zero basis in fact. It is my position that it is impossible to evaluate an immobile QB sitting behind an OL that couldn’t start in most colleges. And any assertion but anyone on BBI that says they can, I choos3 to believe is 100% pure bullshit.
Note I’m not saying Manning can still win a Lombardi. I’m saying it is impossible to evaluate behind the worst OL in football. And I strongly believ3 that those who say otherwise, by definition, have an agenda.
Sorry Bill, but there are NOT fans on BBI that want Eli to fail, just because they're "invested in their position". We are ALL passionate Giants fans who are tired of losing and just want to win.
I've been a Giants fan for 50+ years and have missed just 7 games during all that time. You think I (and others like me) are sitting home (or in the stands) thinking, "I sure hope Eli fucks up again so that I can win that argument with Bill on BBI.
Get a fucking grip!
It doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to know that you can’t evaluate an immobile QB behind what is likely the worst OL in Giants team history. Yet, so many “purported fans” are avidly doing exactly that. I don’t want to think they’re fucking stupid so I choose the alternative... they are personally invested here on BBI with the positions they have so avidly taken. How else to explain the inexplicable?
So we're either stupid or we're bad fans that just want to see Eli and the Giants fail?
Sounds like you've really thought this thing through.
However the problem with your thinking (besides the obvious) is that you act like Eli has been harassed on EVERY play.
He hasn't.
Quite often, even when Eli has the time he either makes a bad throw or (more likely) checks down for another 3 yard completion.
When he gets the slightest pressure he falls down, or he fumbles first and then falls down.
There are plenty of REAL football people (not fans like you and me) that also think that Eli is done.
And even if you disagree, next year Eli will be 38.
Time to face facts.