Watching the NFC East teams play. Everyone of them are better than we are and its not close. Eli truly is done and it is time to go. Look at even Prescott you can see the pressure he just steps and moves to the side. Eli would have been sacked 6 times even not more. Smith same thing a lot better than Eli.Lets not kid ourselves anymore and let someone else play.
But we went with Flowers instead.
Fuck.
Whitworth is playing really well, the only thing that worried me about signing him was his age and he is defying that and has made their whole line better, maybe the best in football. I had hoped that Solder could have done that for the giants but the opposite has happened they have brought his play down to theirs!
Draft was good, very good.
But Eil's complete immobility magnifies the bad OL. He can't extend plays with his feet anymore, but instead has to be willing to take a hit to do so. He is 37, and has taken many beatings. The Giants simply didn't protect him well enough throughout his career. The end result is that he checks down a lot, and our weapons look wasted. I'd be surprised if we didn't see Lauletta this season.
I do watch other games. Other teams have better OL, but most are still bad. Bobby Hart is the starting RT for the Bengals. OL play has deteriorated because of the proliferation of spread offenses in college. Many college OL are rarely in a three point stance, and don't have to hold their blocks for very long because the ball is often thrown quickly. NFL DEs are also much quicker and stronger than they were even 10 years ago. The difference is that other teams have more mobile QBs who can extend plays.
My opinion on DG is split. His draft was excellent through the first three rounds. He also smartly traded JPP. But his FA signings were poor, including Solder, Omameh, Barwin, Martin, and Stewart. He also mistakenly believed that Eli could be productive for another three or four years, when it looks like this may well be his last year.
Good post, definitely agree and I would go on to say that Eli expects the rush now and hurries throws even when not necessary, he’s shot.
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In the league by far. Many QBs have ALL day to throw. And are rarely touched.
Worst line, true, and by far. Horrendous. But other teams QBs can make plays when they get rushed, ours absolutely cannot.
Neither of you watched the Cardinals game, that's for sure.
I don't get to see many Cardinals games (I was in the Josh Rosen boat from the start), but from what I've read and seen, they have a worse O-Line than the Giants have. A few other teams do too. The Giants O-Line is bad, for sure, but because we see them all the time on TV and follow them more closely, we tend to overestimate how bad our team's players are in comparison to other teams, and also overestimate how good they are sometimes. It's natural. The Giants O-Line is bad, but it's not the absolute worst.
+1.
But Eil's complete immobility magnifies the bad OL. He can't extend play
with his feet anymore, but instead has to be willing to take a hit to do so. He is 37, and has taken many beatings. The Giants simply didn't protect him well enough throughout his career. The end result is that he checks down a lot, and our weapons look wasted. I'd be surprised if we didn't see Lauletta this season.
I do watch other games. Other teams have better OL, but most are still bad. Bobby Hart is the starting RT for the Bengals. OL play has deteriorated because of the proliferation of spread offenses in college. Many college OL are rarely in a three point stance, and don't have to hold their blocks for very long because the ball is often thrown quickly. NFL DEs are also much quicker and stronger than they were even 10 years ago. The difference is that other teams have more mobile QBs who can extend plays.
My opinion on DG is split. His draft was excellent through the first three rounds. He also smartly traded JPP. But his FA signings were poor, including Solder, Omameh, Barwin, Martin, and Stewart. He also mistakenly believed that Eli could be productive for another three or four years, when it looks like this may well be his last year.
A voice of reason. Nice post. Good points
Wouldn't you expect to get two good players with the #2 and #34 picks?
As for Carter and Hill, the jury is still out on those two....
He also drafted Lauletta and two guys with medical problems that didn't even play this year....
Cariboo : 7:59 pm : link : reply
We needed Darnold not Barkley. Yes he’s a tremendous talent but he can’t win by himself. It was time to get our future QB and Johnny Boy choked. We will rue this pick for years to come. To think we are now focused on next years draft is extremely depressing.
We'd STILL be fucking looking towards next year's draft if we had drafted Darnold.
And here's the kicker, we'd have nothing at RB, the same OL and other positions. This is why I don't get how people think if we drafted a QB, we were clearly looking to tomorrow, but by drafting Barkley we clearly were intending to be SB Champs.
The frustration just makes a lot of people type really stupid things here.
This place is going to implode under the weight of its own hot take stupidity by week 10.
My opinion on DG is split. His draft was excellent through the first three rounds. He also smartly traded JPP. But his FA signings were poor, including Solder, Omameh, Barwin, Martin, and Stewart. He also mistakenly believed that Eli could be productive for another three or four years, when it looks like this may well be his last year. [/quote]
Excuse me for asking, but why was it smart of DG to have traded JPP? He was overpaid, but lots of NFL players are overpaid, starting with Eli. I would certainly agree with you if the Giants had found a better replacement, but that hasn't happened.
In six games with the dreary Bucs this season (although he missed most of the opener with a knee injury), JPP has five sacks, fourteen quarterback hits and a forced fumble.
The rest of the Bucs have three sacks, and JPP gets a lot of double teams.
I can't say that he is going to make it to Canton if he keeps up this play, but it's better than average for the position.
The first season that Vernon and JPP played together, it took awhile for them to gel, but in the 3rd quarter of the season they each had four sacks. Then JPP injured his knee and missed the rest of the season and the playoff game. In those five games without JPP, Vernon sunk to a half a sack.
Sorry to get hung up on a single player like JPP, but he was such a force when he joined the Giants, and I hate it when the team releases a player without having a replacement ready.
My opinion on DG is split. His draft was excellent through the first three rounds. He also smartly traded JPP. But his FA signings were poor, including Solder, Omameh, Barwin, Martin, and Stewart. He also mistakenly believed that Eli could be productive for another three or four years, when it looks like this may well be his last year.
Excuse me for asking, but why was it smart of DG to have traded JPP? He was overpaid, but lots of NFL players are overpaid, starting with Eli. I would certainly agree with you if the Giants had found a better replacement, but that hasn't happened.
In six games with the dreary Bucs this season (although he missed most of the opener with a knee injury), JPP has five sacks, fourteen quarterback hits and a forced fumble.
The rest of the Bucs have three sacks, and JPP gets a lot of double teams.
I can't say that he is going to make it to Canton if he keeps up this play, but it's better than average for the position.
The first season that Vernon and JPP played together, it took awhile for them to gel, but in the 3rd quarter of the season they each had four sacks. Then JPP injured his knee and missed the rest of the season and the playoff game. In those five games without JPP, Vernon sunk to a half a sack.
Sorry to get hung up on a single player like JPP, but he was such a force when he joined the Giants, and I hate it when the team releases a player without having a replacement ready. [/quote]
A fewthings. JPP is a 4-3 DE. While I am sure Bettcher could have made use of JPP, JPP is not well suited to what he wanted to do.
Dumping him dumped salary...
We got a 3rd round pick which I believe we used on Hill. Hill is 7 years younger than JPP and seems to be a solid pick. Hill, as a rising young player will do more for the Giants in the long haul, than JPP would have.
So overall, trading JPP looks like a good deal.
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Cariboo : 7:59 pm : link : reply
We needed Darnold not Barkley. Yes he’s a tremendous talent but he can’t win by himself. It was time to get our future QB and Johnny Boy choked. We will rue this pick for years to come. To think we are now focused on next years draft is extremely depressing.
We'd STILL be fucking looking towards next year's draft if we had drafted Darnold.
And here's the kicker, we'd have nothing at RB, the same OL and other positions. This is why I don't get how people think if we drafted a QB, we were clearly looking to tomorrow, but by drafting Barkley we clearly were intending to be SB Champs.
The frustration just makes a lot of people type really stupid things here.
If you recall, I was saying trade down and draft OL... Barkley is awesome, fun to watch (the only ting fun to watch on this team). But he can't do it with out a good OL. Too many runs for less than 2 yards... Those plays kill drives. I said that BEFORE we picked Barkley. Now we have Barkley, and we still need an OL... Which is pretty much the same as what you are saying Cariboo... We need to fix the OL FIRST. As you said, every QB would look bad behind an OL that sucks as much as ours does. In my mind we are still not ready for a young stud QB. We are wasting Barkley's good years now, we will waste a stud QB as well until we fix the OL.
Looks like we are likely to get a high draft pick again this year. And are still in the exact same position, just a year later. I still advocate using the draft capital to bring in at least 2 maybe 3 more starting OL, and some depth.
Your an ELI FANBOY!!!!
Now it’s bad to be a Eli fanboy on a Giants fan message board. And this passes as some sort of insult. BBI has fallen off the edge.
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Was fucking wretched today and has been for most of the year.
Watson has a partially collapsed lung and cracked ribs.
Then he shouldnt be playing. Because he almost cost his team the game yesterday with his horrid play.
Les in TO's signature insult is to call people Eli fanboys as if we should all be miserable fucks insulting the players at each and every point.
Imagine that - fans of the team actually rooting for the team!!
Could be scheme but without guys playing hard who knows. Collins and Snacks seem most consistent.
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In the league by far. Many QBs have ALL day to throw. And are rarely touched.
Worst line, true, and by far. Horrendous. But other teams QBs can make plays when they get rushed, ours absolutely cannot.
Neither of you watched the Cardinals game, that's for sure.
I don't get to see many Cardinals games (I was in the Josh Rosen boat from the start), but from what I've read and seen, they have a worse O-Line than the Giants have. A few other teams do too. The Giants O-Line is bad, for sure, but because we see them all the time on TV and follow them more closely, we tend to overestimate how bad our team's players are in comparison to other teams, and also overestimate how good they are sometimes. It's natural. The Giants O-Line is bad, but it's not the absolute worst.
I watch AZ every week because I have Johnson in fantasy. Their offense stinks and Rosen doesn't look good. Then again Johnson doesn't look good either. Their OL is awful and any decent defense shuts them down. Drafting DJ in the first round was a terrible pick. It jut shows that even good players like DJ and Fitz look bad with a OL, and Rosen is a who knows at this point.
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Cariboo : 7:59 pm : link : reply
We needed Darnold not Barkley. Yes he’s a tremendous talent but he can’t win by himself. It was time to get our future QB and Johnny Boy choked. We will rue this pick for years to come. To think we are now focused on next years draft is extremely depressing.
We'd STILL be fucking looking towards next year's draft if we had drafted Darnold.
And here's the kicker, we'd have nothing at RB, the same OL and other positions. This is why I don't get how people think if we drafted a QB, we were clearly looking to tomorrow, but by drafting Barkley we clearly were intending to be SB Champs.
The frustration just makes a lot of people type really stupid things here.
everyone else has a weird inconsistent flaw
Jimmy Googs : 9:56 am : link : reply
we should only insult each other dammit!
I've never gotten why people will personally attack athletes who are skilled at their craft and provide entertainment.
I understand completely why an anonymous mouth-breather spewing shit takes an assload of abuse.
Believe it or not, both are possible.