Is never going to end. They are so far and away the greatest coach and QB combination of all time that they have ruined the debate, theres nothing to talk about. Complete dominance for nearly 20 years in an era when most great teams dont last four years.
And no signs of stopping despite Brady being 41. They have nowhere near the talent of many other teams either, Brady aside. Its all him and the coaching.
Infuriating to watch how the Pats know their QB and protect him. Never got suckered in to modernizing
its what any good organization does: recognize a core competency and let that dictate personnel and resources. In the Pats case if you are a rob who cant catch or a olineman who cant pass block or a wideout who does not run good routes you are replaced no matter what else you can do.
Remember when people here said the Pats were finished
Is never going to end. They are so far and away the greatest coach and QB combination of all time that they have ruined the debate, theres nothing to talk about. Complete dominance for nearly 20 years in an era when most great teams dont last four years.
And no signs of stopping despite Brady being 41. They have nowhere near the talent of many other teams either, Brady aside. Its all him and the coaching.
Well you lost me with your last paragraph. His talent on offense is among the best in the league when healthy. Even just having Gordon stretch the field is a huge plus for them.
Very true. I put most of this on Reese AND Ross. Not Mara. Theyre gone now but look at who is receiving all the punchlines and body blows from their poor decisions. Our QB. Its sickening
Thats not what I was getting. I was talking about Reese and Ross wanting the dual threat QB, Mobile QB, whatever people call it. Namely, not the pocket passer.
I did and I'll die on that hill. I don't see the Patriots in the SB this year. This Chiefs team and the Chargers are better football teams when healthy. The Jags were before injuries hit their OL. I think people are overreacting to a nice run against a flat Miami team, getting the Colts at home on Thursday night and facing a banged up Chiefs team with extra rest for their 3rd staight home game. It's nice stretch for them to show out. They'll obviously be in the mix in January but I don't see them as the top dog in their conference or in their league anymore.
And then he loses the ball getting sacked. Eli was getting killed for that on Thursday night. Solder got beat off the edge badly and Eli barely had any time to react and he got killed by the announcers. Wtf was Brady doing there? Gifted Mahomes 7
Both quarterbacks have time to throw, and both schemes have guys wide fricking open.
And neither QB has David Carr Syndrome.
I don't think the David Carr Syndrome is a permanent affliction. If we could make Eli trust his line again, his arm is still there. However, by the time we fix the line, Eli's best sport will be golf.
I don't think the David Carr Syndrome is a permanent affliction. If we could make Eli trust his line again, his arm is still there. However, by the time we fix the line, Eli's best sport will be golf.
Then he doesn't have DCS, because the disease's namesake certainly never stopped hearing footsteps.
Both quarterbacks have time to throw, and both schemes have guys wide fricking open.
And neither QB has David Carr Syndrome.
I don't think the David Carr Syndrome is a permanent affliction. If we could make Eli trust his line again, his arm is still there. However, by the time we fix the line, Eli's best sport will be golf.
You sure it's not permanent? Carr still had it even when he came here and was behind a much better OLine here than he had in Houston.
I don't think the David Carr Syndrome is a permanent affliction. If we could make Eli trust his line again, his arm is still there. However, by the time we fix the line, Eli's best sport will be golf.
Then he doesn't have DCS, because the disease's namesake certainly never stopped hearing footsteps.
I don't think either of the Carrs are all that great at the position, to be honest.
If you're not sure if the QB still has the ball or not, do you risk following through on the tackle? So the offense benefits either way and Brady gets the touchdown.
I thought mobile QBs could avoid rushers, spin around, roll out and make the first? Blocking, who needs that?
Lets be honest. If it was a different QB playing tonight for KC, this wouldn't even be a game.
Granted, the kid is a promising player. Young, hell of an arm, seems to have the good intangibles. But, the other 10 guys matter.
Look at that clean pocket to step up into. Tyreek Hill is remarkably fast, catches a ball that was a little behind him, and accelerates into the end zone.
In the first half for TDs. Threw 2 INTs that cost his team at least 11 points. And had to settle for 2 FGs.... I am sure you all would have been singing his praises, right?
He bounces back. Hes having a helluva 2nd half. Took advantages of some blown coverages.
a first year starter have a bad half of football after having his team at 5-0 and tearing it up before that. If only we held all QB's to those standards..
Hed get shit on. A bit of pot calling kettle here as some use every other QBs positive plays to shit on Eli Manning. Its not a bad thing to point out that these guys play on a team
a first year starter have a bad half of football after having his team at 5-0 and tearing it up before that. If only we held all QB's to those standards..
Oh Jesus Christ.
Pointing out a bad first half isnt the all to be end all.
In the first half for TDs. Threw 2 INTs that cost his team at least 11 points. And had to settle for 2 FGs.... I am sure you all would have been singing his praises, right?
He bounces back. Hes having a helluva 2nd half. Took advantages of some blown coverages.
Comparing a 15 year veteran to a kid making his seventh career start - good call
Hed get shit on. A bit of pot calling kettle here as some use every other QBs positive plays to shit on Eli Manning. Its not a bad thing to point out that these guys play on a team
He'd get shit on maybe because this team has been shit for 6 years and went 3-13 last year?
a first year starter have a bad half of football after having his team at 5-0 and tearing it up before that. If only we held all QB's to those standards..
Guess has to be flawlessly perfect..Brady is flawlessly perfect...oh wait! He lost a fumble in game
Hed get shit on. A bit of pot calling kettle here as some use every other QBs positive plays to shit on Eli Manning. Its not a bad thing to point out that these guys play on a team
In the first half for TDs. Threw 2 INTs that cost his team at least 11 points. And had to settle for 2 FGs.... I am sure you all would have been singing his praises, right?
He bounces back. Hes having a helluva 2nd half. Took advantages of some blown coverages.
Comparing a 15 year veteran to a kid making his seventh career start - good call
Addendum - especially when you remember that veteran's first 7 starts...
a first year starter have a bad half of football after having his team at 5-0 and tearing it up before that. If only we held all QB's to those standards..
Oh Jesus Christ.
Pointing out a bad first half isnt the all to be end all.
The double standard is just funny. That doesn't even take into account the gap in experience, but that's fine.
a first year starter have a bad half of football after having his team at 5-0 and tearing it up before that. If only we held all QB's to those standards..
Oh Jesus Christ.
Pointing out a bad first half isnt the all to be end all.
The double standard is just funny.
Was thinking the same exact thing....
RE: Well we got to watch two NFL offenses tonight..
a first year starter have a bad half of football after having his team at 5-0 and tearing it up before that. If only we held all QB's to those standards..
Oh Jesus Christ.
Pointing out a bad first half isnt the all to be end all.
The double standard is just funny.
Was thinking the same exact thing....
Yeah. So strange to have standards for a 15 year vet 2 time SB winner & MVP after being told all offseason by the franchise and certain posters on here that this was going to be a "revenge tour" and whatnot.
Anyone arguing or insinuating that the Mahomes hype needs to be taken down a notch after the first half he played in this game -- or that it is unreasonable to be impressed by him because he is capable of making the very same mistakes we chastise Eli for making -- is a person who has their mind made up on the matter.
Giants fans would be all over him, but there's a difference between Eli and Mahomes. Mahomes has a much better arm and is far more mobile. In addition, Mahomes has demonstrated a solid football IQ. If he were the Giants quarterback, the rest of the Giants offense would not be complaining about him even if the team weren't winning.
RE: Clearly Mahomes couldn't drive the current Giants offense
Mahomes can afford to be bad and still come out and do what he did in the second half. If we are going to bring Eli into that conversation than its fair to also say he usually or almost certainly cannot afford to have really bad first halves anymore.
Mahomes can afford to be bad and still come out and do what he did in the second half. If we are going to bring Eli into that conversation than its fair to also say he usually or almost certainly cannot afford to have really bad first halves anymore.
This is true. Its not really about Eli anymore. Everyone knows he is done. The odd part is how other posters need to bring Eli into the conversation. The best is ....well Eli could never make that play. Well Eli cant make that throw.
The same people who bash Eli and have for years get really defensive when you point out other QB flaws. Its just really odd.
I dont see the need to ever bring him up on a thread that has nothing to do with the Giants, its weird. Its Tom Brady and probably the best young QB in the NFL, neither have anything to do with Eli.
Your OP contained an opportunistic comment to knock another QB (who has been wildly impressive in the sample weve seen) amidst a 5 quarter stretch of bad results spread over two games.
Given your known Eli-brigade status, you should expect to get a ton of shit about it, most especially when Mahomes proceeds to go nuts in the second half.
I agree with a lot of your posts (not many in this particular thread), but you bring some of this stuff on yourself.
I did the same thing last week in the TNF game calling it an arena like game.
The Op was a bit of tongue and cheek because many here have already put Mahomes in Canton. He's young, he's talented, and has played well. But pointing out things when he hasnt played well and has made bad decisions is met with such ridicule here.
As a staunch Eli supporter - I have said many times - its time to move on from him. Not everything has to do with Eli. Especially in a game where 2 other teams are playing.
Reid has a sick scheme.
NOW!
He's washed up already. Cut or trade him. The Cheifs wasted a draft pick not picking a QB high last time around
Barkley - last week. See three plays over 45 yards.
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Barkley - last week. See three plays over 45 yards.
Reid schemes guys wide open. Exceptional individual plays (Barkley) dont really qualify.
And no signs of stopping despite Brady being 41. They have nowhere near the talent of many other teams either, Brady aside. Its all him and the coaching.
And no signs of stopping despite Brady being 41. They have nowhere near the talent of many other teams either, Brady aside. Its all him and the coaching.
Well you lost me with your last paragraph. His talent on offense is among the best in the league when healthy. Even just having Gordon stretch the field is a huge plus for them.
I'm not sure what version of football you've been watching if you think the "modern" game has ever not prioritized protecting the QB.
I did and I'll die on that hill. I don't see the Patriots in the SB this year. This Chiefs team and the Chargers are better football teams when healthy. The Jags were before injuries hit their OL. I think people are overreacting to a nice run against a flat Miami team, getting the Colts at home on Thursday night and facing a banged up Chiefs team with extra rest for their 3rd staight home game. It's nice stretch for them to show out. They'll obviously be in the mix in January but I don't see them as the top dog in their conference or in their league anymore.
Come again?
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Has single handily cost KC this game.
Come again?
1 play doesnt overturn the massive amount of mistakes he made tonight. Glamour plays are nice... whole body of work this game matters.
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Has single handily cost KC this game.
Come again?
1 play doesnt overturn the massive amount of mistakes he made tonight. Glamour plays are nice... whole body of work this game matters.
Of course, just enjoying the timing of your post.
Something is up with this offense.
You have to be trolling at this point.
Patriots conservative game plan may come back to bite them in the ass.
And neither QB has David Carr Syndrome.
Yup, the insanely high over was never in doubt.
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Both quarterbacks have time to throw, and both schemes have guys wide fricking open.
And neither QB has David Carr Syndrome.
I don't think the David Carr Syndrome is a permanent affliction. If we could make Eli trust his line again, his arm is still there. However, by the time we fix the line, Eli's best sport will be golf.
Ask Eli that since he still misses passes and seems skittish even when he does have time..
I don't think the David Carr Syndrome is a permanent affliction. If we could make Eli trust his line again, his arm is still there. However, by the time we fix the line, Eli's best sport will be golf.
Then he doesn't have DCS, because the disease's namesake certainly never stopped hearing footsteps.
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Both quarterbacks have time to throw, and both schemes have guys wide fricking open.
And neither QB has David Carr Syndrome.
I don't think the David Carr Syndrome is a permanent affliction. If we could make Eli trust his line again, his arm is still there. However, by the time we fix the line, Eli's best sport will be golf.
You sure it's not permanent? Carr still had it even when he came here and was behind a much better OLine here than he had in Houston.
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I don't think the David Carr Syndrome is a permanent affliction. If we could make Eli trust his line again, his arm is still there. However, by the time we fix the line, Eli's best sport will be golf.
Then he doesn't have DCS, because the disease's namesake certainly never stopped hearing footsteps.
I don't think either of the Carrs are all that great at the position, to be honest.
The fruits of the ridiculous way games have been called this year.
He's a younger QB?
'He sucks.'
Lets be honest. If it was a different QB playing tonight for KC, this wouldn't even be a game.
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I thought mobile QBs could avoid rushers, spin around, roll out and make the first? Blocking, who needs that?
Lets be honest. If it was a different QB playing tonight for KC, this wouldn't even be a game.
Yeah KC would be up at least 17 haha
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I thought mobile QBs could avoid rushers, spin around, roll out and make the first? Blocking, who needs that?
Lets be honest. If it was a different QB playing tonight for KC, this wouldn't even be a game.
Yeah KC would be up at least 17 haha
Sure, they would.
This is what it's come down to for some on here. Shitting on a QB starting his first season ever that has his team at 5-0.
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I thought mobile QBs could avoid rushers, spin around, roll out and make the first? Blocking, who needs that?
Lets be honest. If it was a different QB playing tonight for KC, this wouldn't even be a game.
Granted, the kid is a promising player. Young, hell of an arm, seems to have the good intangibles. But, the other 10 guys matter.
Look at that clean pocket to step up into. Tyreek Hill is remarkably fast, catches a ball that was a little behind him, and accelerates into the end zone.
This is what it's come down to for some on here. Shitting on a QB starting his first season ever that has his team at 5-0.
Anything to prop up Eli's corpse
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This is what it's come down to for some on here. Shitting on a QB starting his first season ever that has his team at 5-0.
And putting up 40 vs pats...
This is what it's come down to for some on here. Shitting on a QB starting his first season ever that has his team at 5-0.
We arent shitting him. He was awful in the first half. Made some big throws in the 2nd half.
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This is what it's come down to for some on here. Shitting on a QB starting his first season ever that has his team at 5-0.
We arent shitting him. He was awful in the first half. Made some big throws in the 2nd half.
Yep, not shitting on him. Just saying the other 10 guys matter. Both of these offensive systems are tremendous, which is obvious.
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They'd be up 24.
This is what it's come down to for some on here. Shitting on a QB starting his first season ever that has his team at 5-0.
We arent shitting him. He was awful in the first half. Made some big throws in the 2nd half.
Come on, man. Look at your OP. Your OP was so gotten to nevermind anyother post you made in here.
Must be a hoot to be a Browns fan.
He bounces back. Hes having a helluva 2nd half. Took advantages of some blown coverages.
Kid is dynamic.
Tyriek hill may argue with that.
Kid is dynamic.
Nope just pointing out a shitty half which is irrefutable.
Kid is dynamic.
Yeah..amazing isnt it..of course it takes full team effort..but the kid executes plays as well
Oh Jesus Christ.
Pointing out a bad first half isnt the all to be end all.
He bounces back. Hes having a helluva 2nd half. Took advantages of some blown coverages.
Comparing a 15 year veteran to a kid making his seventh career start - good call
He'd get shit on maybe because this team has been shit for 6 years and went 3-13 last year?
Guess has to be flawlessly perfect..Brady is flawlessly perfect...oh wait! He lost a fumble in game
If?? He has first halves like that all the time
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In the first half for TDs. Threw 2 INTs that cost his team at least 11 points. And had to settle for 2 FGs.... I am sure you all would have been singing his praises, right?
He bounces back. Hes having a helluva 2nd half. Took advantages of some blown coverages.
Comparing a 15 year veteran to a kid making his seventh career start - good call
Addendum - especially when you remember that veteran's first 7 starts...
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a first year starter have a bad half of football after having his team at 5-0 and tearing it up before that. If only we held all QB's to those standards..
Oh Jesus Christ.
Pointing out a bad first half isnt the all to be end all.
The double standard is just funny. That doesn't even take into account the gap in experience, but that's fine.
Fun football to watch
Even if it starts with figuring out what co-ed Ernie Adams killed and buried in a shallow grave when he was in college.
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a first year starter have a bad half of football after having his team at 5-0 and tearing it up before that. If only we held all QB's to those standards..
Oh Jesus Christ.
Pointing out a bad first half isnt the all to be end all.
The double standard is just funny.
Was thinking the same exact thing....
Yeah. Totally. Defenses were even better.
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a first year starter have a bad half of football after having his team at 5-0 and tearing it up before that. If only we held all QB's to those standards..
Oh Jesus Christ.
Pointing out a bad first half isnt the all to be end all.
The double standard is just funny.
Was thinking the same exact thing....
Yeah. So strange to have standards for a 15 year vet 2 time SB winner & MVP after being told all offseason by the franchise and certain posters on here that this was going to be a "revenge tour" and whatnot.
Yeah. Totally.
Can I use that original statement in my Instagram posts as long as I reference you?
And by the best, you mean the Eagles, right? Or another team?
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you have to beat the best.
Yeah. Totally.
Can I use that original statement in my Instagram posts as long as I reference you?
And by the best, you mean the Eagles, right? Or another team?
By all means.
No one said that, though.
I think you might have missed the first post in the thread.
Similarly - do you think the Chiefs would be able to run that offense with Eli at the helm?
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But if anyone thinks you could simply transpose Mahomes at QB behind this OL/scheme and get the same production is out of their mind.
No one said that, though.
Whats your point Dave?
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But if anyone thinks you could simply transpose Mahomes at QB behind this OL/scheme and get the same production is out of their mind.
No one said that, though.
Whats your point Dave?
My point is no one said what you're inferring.
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But if anyone thinks you could simply transpose Mahomes at QB behind this OL/scheme and get the same production is out of their mind.
No one said that, though.
Whats your point Dave?
My point is no one said what you're inferring.
Cool, carry on with your passive aggressive bullshit then I suppose.
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But if anyone thinks you could simply transpose Mahomes at QB behind this OL/scheme and get the same production is out of their mind.
No one said that, though.
Whats your point Dave?
My point is no one said what you're inferring.
Cool, carry on with your passive aggressive bullshit then I suppose.
Oh, the irony. Just because your failed attempt to put words in people's mouths was a complete and utter failure.
Enjoy the evening. I know I am.
But I do think they'd be better off with him. Why not? He is clearly a uniquely skilled player.
Similarly, I also think that the Jets would be better with Barkley as their running back over Crowell and Powell.
But I do think they'd be better off with him. Why not? He is clearly a uniquely skilled player.
Similarly, I also think that the Jets would be better with Barkley as their running back over Crowell and Powell.
There are countless examples of good players who get drafted into bad situations/schemes who dont pan out in the league.
I have a good imagination, and I can imagine a world we don't live in where Mahomes is average.
I have a good imagination, and I can imagine a world we don't live in where Mahomes is average.
I must not then, bc I cant foresee many positive outcomes with McAdoo calling plays for Mahomes and Reese building the team around him.
The exact thought I was having as I scrolled through this on the commute.
Kind of hard to call it 'peak BBI' when there are literally 2 posters doing it, and many more refuting them.
That's like taking something Stan posts and writing 'typical BBI'.
Here at BBI, we can only dissect and rip Eli and no other QB.
This is true. Its not really about Eli anymore. Everyone knows he is done. The odd part is how other posters need to bring Eli into the conversation. The best is ....well Eli could never make that play. Well Eli cant make that throw.
The same people who bash Eli and have for years get really defensive when you point out other QB flaws. Its just really odd.
Hill and Hunt were 3rd round picks. Kelce a 2nd rounder. Thats how you win.
Back to arena style league football.
Back to arena style league football.
This is what I thought after the big Hill TD. No defense, arena league football.
Best part is some might not even realize they're doing it.
Best part is some might not even realize they're doing it.
Once again, you were reading my mind....
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Keith's vag acting up again. This is becoming more than a once a month thing.
I guess pointing out QBs poor play during the game is only for Eli. Cant do it for other Qbs.
Given your known Eli-brigade status, you should expect to get a ton of shit about it, most especially when Mahomes proceeds to go nuts in the second half.
I agree with a lot of your posts (not many in this particular thread), but you bring some of this stuff on yourself.
The Op was a bit of tongue and cheek because many here have already put Mahomes in Canton. He's young, he's talented, and has played well. But pointing out things when he hasnt played well and has made bad decisions is met with such ridicule here.
As a staunch Eli supporter - I have said many times - its time to move on from him. Not everything has to do with Eli. Especially in a game where 2 other teams are playing.