How do this years draftable qb's compare to last year's?

If you wanted a QB in 2018 - this class sucks.
If you wanted a QB in 2019 - this has the making of an underrated class.

IMO, Herbert looks to be the best because of his intangibles. Lock and Grier are probably overrated. Jones is getting a lot love now but who knows? Haskins is either an UDFA or the greatest QB ever, depending on who you ask.

The real answer is this. Some of these QBs can be good NFL players is if they are properly surrounded with good talent and a functional OL.

Really is separating himself. I would put him with Mayfield and Darnold. I liked Grier earlier this year, but he has had a few rough games. Not a fan of Lamar Jackson as a QB. If I had to put them into tiers I would say:

Tier 1 - Darnold, Mayfield, Herbert
Tier 2 - Rosen
Tier 3 - Allen, Grier, Haskins, etc.
Tier 4 - Jackson

Within the tiers I put 2018 players first rather than putting them into any order

In comment 14128994 dep026 said:

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If you wanted a QB in 2018 - this class sucks. If you wanted a QB in 2019 - this has the making of an underrated class. IMO, Herbert looks to be the best because of his intangibles. Lock and Grier are probably overrated. Jones is getting a lot love now but who knows? Haskins is either an UDFA or the greatest QB ever, depending on who you ask. The real answer is this. Some of these QBs can be good NFL players is if they are properly surrounded with good talent and a functional OL.

Disagree with your first point. I wanted Mayfield or Darnold in 2018, but I can admit that I see Herbert as the one QB being on that level in 2019.

Based upon what I have seen so far this year, last years QB class, had better QBs and far more depth.

Hebert has great measurables but is a system QB similar to Mariotta, so it is hard to evaluate his pro potential.

Other than Hebert none of the other eligible college QBs have looked like first round picks.

This is not a good year to need a QB. 2020 looks to be a good year for QBs. Tua looks like the real deal.

This draft looks to have great defensive linemen. There are great players and great depth.

It will be hard for the Giants to pass on a great pass rusher for a questionable QB.

In my opinion, if Jackson and Allen were in this draft they would be the drafted before Hebert.

but this year's class doesn't look as good or as deep as last year's.

Herbert, Jones, Finley, Lock, Grier

I think only Herbert may have been a 1st rounder last year. And Herbert is a huge ? imo.

Lamar Jackson went at the end of rd 1, he looks better than all of this year's QBs.

Even among last years guys alone. They haven’t gone through the process of picking this years class apart for every imperfection. So who knows.

In comment 14129081 UberAlias said:

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Even among last years guys alone. They haven’t gone through the process of picking this years class apart for every imperfection. So who knows.

Simple solution, be a perfect prospect like Saquon.

Darnold was a much better prospect going into last year but faultered...with too many INTs and nowhere near as magical as his Rose Bowl game vs Penn St

There looks like some QBs have potential but as a class, last year had more potential,

The Giants only need to find one.

I heard Shumur really likes one of the backups with the Vikings who will be available next year.

A year they said it was worst QB class ever. I also think people thought Philly would be set back 10 years for what they gave up for Wentz. Seems like they didn't miss a beat.

In comment 14129055 Archer said:

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In my opinion, if Jackson and Allen were in this draft they would be the drafted before Hebert.

Jackson wouldn't be. He was the 32nd pick in the draft for a reason. How would he go from the 32nd pick to 1st overall? He has gone 1-5 for 24 yards and 17 rushes for 94 yards. He has potential but he hasn't shown anything yet to show that he is going to be a great QB in the NFL.

In comment 14129115 Alex_Webster said:

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A year they said it was worst QB class ever. I also think people thought Philly would be set back 10 years for what they gave up for Wentz. Seems like they didn't miss a beat.

That class wasn't well regarded either. Goff and Wentz clearly have proven doubters wrong.

his inexperience and the great protection from the OS o-line. He won't get that protection in the nfl - let alone on the Giants. But his numbers are impressive. In the last two games (Indiana and Minnesota) he threw for over 400 yards each game at a 75% clip with 9 td's and 2 picks. He's worth watching over the rest of the season.

In comment 14129115 Alex_Webster said:

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A year they said it was worst QB class ever. I also think people thought Philly would be set back 10 years for what they gave up for Wentz. Seems like they didn't miss a beat.

I was one of those people. I couldn't believe what the Eagles did.

Winston & Mariota both thought to be can't miss. Although there were some questions. It seems Wentz/Goff were seen in a worse light than Winston/Mariota. My point QB evaluation from College to NFL is extremely hard with the changes to offences from College to NFL. Lets hope G-Man hit on one. I have more confidence in DG than JR. That is for sure!

In comment 14129129 Ira said:

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his inexperience and the great protection from the OS o-line. He won't get that protection in the nfl - let alone on the Giants. But his numbers are impressive. In the last two games (Indiana and Minnesota) he threw for over 400 yards each game at a 75% clip with 9 td's and 2 picks. He's worth watching over the rest of the season.

He has the talent but that is a huge gamble. Just one season worth of starts is very risky to go on. I liked Grier alot earlier this season but the more I watch him the less I see a potential top 10 pick. His pass protection is usually great so I worry how he will do with pressure in his face.

In comment 14129131 Ira said:

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In comment 14129115 Alex_Webster said: Quote: A year they said it was worst QB class ever. I also think people thought Philly would be set back 10 years for what they gave up for Wentz. Seems like they didn't miss a beat. I was one of those people. I couldn't believe what the Eagles did.

I was too. I wasn't sure about Wentz but I was convinced that Goff was going to be a huge bust.

the Giants scouting staff is better at evaluating quarterbacks than the are evaluating offensive linemen and linebackers!

In comment 14129147 BamaBlue said:

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the Giants scouting staff is better at evaluating quarterbacks than the are evaluating offensive linemen and linebackers!

Ha. A good point when looking at the free agent picks, but haven't they done pretty well with ol and lb in the draft?

In comment 14129180 Ira said:

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In comment 14129147 BamaBlue said: Quote: the Giants scouting staff is better at evaluating quarterbacks than the are evaluating offensive linemen and linebackers! Ha. A good point when looking at the free agent picks, but haven't they done pretty well with ol and lb in the draft?

DG I think had a strong record with the Panthers. The Giants have not drafted OL/LB well, though hopefully Hernandez is the turning point.

I'm of the opinion that most of these QBs can succeed in the NFL if dropped into the right situation. Are some guys obviously better than others? Of course. But offensive line play and the marrying of a guys' talent to offensive scheme seem to be huge factors in how well these young guys do. Goff is a stunning example of how much a factor these other elements can play. They fixed the OL and designed an offense around his strengths...and voila. Wentz and Mahomes are great examples of guys who came in with limited backgrounds in NFL schemes but who were dropped into situations with coaches that didn't force them to do things they weren't well suited for and instead worked around those shortcomings to highlight what they do well.

below Rosen but above Darnold if he had placed in the '18 class.

In comment 14129135 Alex_Webster said:

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Winston & Mariota both thought to be can't miss. Although there were some questions. It seems Wentz/Goff were seen in a worse light than Winston/Mariota. My point QB evaluation from College to NFL is extremely hard with the changes to offences from College to NFL. Lets hope G-Man hit on one. I have more confidence in DG than JR. That is for sure!

Nope.

Winston was a known headcase and IIRC was off many teams' boards entirely. Mariota had questions about whether he'd be able to transition to a pro offense.

Mariota's playing hurt so far this year so I feel like he gets a bit of a mulligan. He hasn't been what you'd want from the #2 pick though.

In comment 14129227 Giantfan in skinland said:

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I'm of the opinion that most of these QBs can succeed in the NFL if dropped into the right situation. Are some guys obviously better than others? Of course. But offensive line play and the marrying of a guys' talent to offensive scheme seem to be huge factors in how well these young guys do. Goff is a stunning example of how much a factor these other elements can play. They fixed the OL and designed an offense around his strengths...and voila. Wentz and Mahomes are great examples of guys who came in with limited backgrounds in NFL schemes but who were dropped into situations with coaches that didn't force them to do things they weren't well suited for and instead worked around those shortcomings to highlight what they do well.

Spot on. Too many people underrate or flat out ignore how important it is for a QB to come into the right situation.

In comment 14128994 dep026 said:

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If you wanted a QB in 2018 - this class sucks. If you wanted a QB in 2019 - this has the making of an underrated class.

Or one can easily say...

If you were "all in" on Eli and didn't want to see him replaced, the 2018 QB draft class sucked. (Nothing but red flags!)

If you now realize that we're going to need a QB, the 2019 QB draft class has a lot of potential.

We tend to see whatever supports our beliefs.

In comment 14129103 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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In comment 14129081 UberAlias said: Quote: Even among last years guys alone. They haven’t gone through the process of picking this years class apart for every imperfection. So who knows. Simple solution, be a perfect prospect like Saquon.

Except he’s a RB.

In comment 14129001 Mike in NY said:

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Really is separating himself. I would put him with Mayfield and Darnold. I liked Grier earlier this year, but he has had a few rough games. Not a fan of Lamar Jackson as a QB. If I had to put them into tiers I would say: Tier 1 - Darnold, Mayfield, Herbert Tier 2 - Rosen Tier 3 - Allen, Grier, Haskins, etc. Tier 4 - Jackson Within the tiers I put 2018 players first rather than putting them into any order

In what way, shape or form has Herbert separated himself? I need an explanation because, imo, he has done nothing to separate and elevate himself as the clear cut #1 QB prospect. If anything, (outside of the Oregon win and he played just OK) he produced more questions than answers.

Add in his age and he is a very desiarable prospect. That said, the more I read about this kid Daniel Jones, the more I prefer him. Very talented, very well coached and might be the most Day 1 ready.