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Who sucks more-us or the Raiders?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/15/2018 9:16 am
I watched ton of the 'Hawks-Raiders game. Yikes. They suck.
I think they do, but that's not a compliment  
jcn56 : 10/15/2018 9:18 am : link
Gruden has basically told everyone that he didn't draft there, either directly or through the media, that he wants them gone.

You think our media circus is bad, their's is a fucking disaster.
A media circus  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/15/2018 9:20 am : link
with this guy in charge:



You don't say.
would be nice  
hitdog42 : 10/15/2018 9:22 am : link
if they suck so bad they decide to get an out from carr
The Giants are worse  
rocco8112 : 10/15/2018 9:23 am : link
.
RE: I think they do, but that's not a compliment  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/15/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 14129088 jcn56 said:
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Gruden has basically told everyone that he didn't draft there, either directly or through the media, that he wants them gone.

You think our media circus is bad, their's is a fucking disaster.


I thought the Gruden signing would be bad. I didn't think it'd be this bad, this early.
RE: would be nice  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 14129094 hitdog42 said:
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if they suck so bad they decide to get an out from carr


Sounds like gruden wants to draft his own qb, you think giants make a run at carr?
The 5 worst teams in the league  
The_Boss : 10/15/2018 9:24 am : link
NYG
Indy
Raiders
Colts
SF

We play 2 of them this year. We need to lose both. It’s all about draft slotting.
We both suck equally  
NoPeanutz : 10/15/2018 9:28 am : link
neither of us drafted Darnold
Do we really need to analyze it?  
Jimmy Googs : 10/15/2018 9:33 am : link
How about we call it a draw and move onto free agency and the draft asap...
RE: The 5 worst teams in the league  
gmenatlarge : 10/15/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 14129101 The_Boss said:
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NYG
Indy
Raiders
Colts
SF

We play 2 of them this year. We need to lose both. It’s all about draft slotting.


Um aren't Indy and the Colts the same team?
RE: RE: The 5 worst teams in the league  
The_Boss : 10/15/2018 9:35 am : link
In comment 14129118 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 14129101 The_Boss said:


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NYG
Indy
Raiders
Colts
SF

We play 2 of them this year. We need to lose both. It’s all about draft slotting.



Um aren't Indy and the Colts the same team?


Meant Cards

Thx
RE: The 5 worst teams in the league  
micky : 10/15/2018 9:35 am : link
In comment 14129101 The_Boss said:
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NYG
Indy
Raiders
Colts
SF

We play 2 of them this year. We need to lose both. It’s all about draft slotting.


Wow indy must really suck..they "doubly" suck
They both suck  
dep026 : 10/15/2018 9:37 am : link
but I think the Raiders are in far worse shape.

RE: would be nice  
Jay on the Island : 10/15/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 14129094 hitdog42 said:
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if they suck so bad they decide to get an out from carr

Ugh, if we go through another shitty year and our consolation prize is Derek Carr I will not be happy.
Has Carr been bad?  
mattyblue : 10/15/2018 9:46 am : link
I never seem to watch the Raiders much. I know he has looked very good in the past.
Giants already met their quota...  
BamaBlue : 10/15/2018 9:49 am : link
of Carr's.
RE: Has Carr been bad?  
dep026 : 10/15/2018 9:50 am : link
In comment 14129145 mattyblue said:
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I never seem to watch the Raiders much. I know he has looked very good in the past.


He has sucked for the last 2 years.
Surprised about Carr  
BBelle21 : 10/15/2018 9:58 am : link
Wasn’t he the darling of the NFL a few seasons ago? Maybe he’s struggling through his past injuries
RE: Surprised about Carr  
Jay on the Island : 10/15/2018 10:07 am : link
In comment 14129172 BBelle21 said:
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Wasn’t he the darling of the NFL a few seasons ago? Maybe he’s struggling through his past injuries

He played very well during his first two seasons. He's regressed over the past two and he has a big contract.
the Raiders suck more  
YAJ2112 : 10/15/2018 10:10 am : link
they got their one win thanks to a blown call that would have allowed Cleveland to run out the clock.
Given the last 4 years ...  
FStubbs : 10/15/2018 10:18 am : link
We suck ever so slightly more.
The Raiders have a QB in his prime and the most expensive o-line  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/15/2018 10:20 am : link
in the NFL, yet have scored less points than the Giants. They also have the oldest roster in the NFL.
Let's trade Eli to the Raiders for their first pick in 2019  
Jeever : 10/15/2018 10:33 am : link
Raiders get even older and we move on and get younger. Fix the OL and edge rush and we can start to improve. It's going to take awhile.
The  
Howyadoin : 10/15/2018 10:36 am : link
Raiders...Of course
Barkley alone will elevate NYG over them and others  
UberAlias : 10/15/2018 10:39 am : link
NYG will not have the top pick.
Only way we get top pick  
UberAlias : 10/15/2018 10:41 am : link
Is if team gives up or gets crushed with injuries. We are still bad though, but others are worse.
carr SUCKS  
GiantsFan84 : 10/15/2018 11:12 am : link
like really really really bad. there is absolutely no way the giants should show interest. he's never been the same after his injury
as for who is worse?  
GiantsFan84 : 10/15/2018 11:13 am : link
i mean at least the giants have barkley. the raiders really have nobody
RE: I think they do, but that's not a compliment  
BigBlueinChicago : 10/15/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 14129088 jcn56 said:
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Gruden has basically told everyone that he didn't draft there, either directly or through the media, that he wants them gone.

You think our media circus is bad, their's is a fucking disaster.


I actually would not have minded the Giants do that after last season with their roster instead of giving select guys a "clean slate," only to now realize now they were burned in doing so.
Is it not a coincidence  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/15/2018 12:49 pm : link
That Al Davis and Jerry Reese had the same roster building philosophy?
The Raiders probably suck worse  
Strahan91 : 10/15/2018 1:04 pm : link
but they play the Colts (at home), San Fran, and Arizona plus KC the last week of the season which could mean they bench their starters.

The Giants play Indy and San Fran (both on the road) but I don't think they can beat the Colts. Luck is still very good and he'll get Hilton and Doyle back. We'd need to keep pace with them in that one which I have no confidence in. Plus it's week 16 so Lauletta might be the starter.
This is close  
bw in dc : 10/15/2018 1:14 pm : link
Both owners are clowns at this point. Both went back to their past to fill key position (Mara hiring fellow AARP member Gettleman and Davis bringing back Gruden as HC) and both have big gaps in talent.

But the winner is the Raiders.

They play in a sewer of a stadium, they are moving to Vegas but that isn't going to be smooth, their finances are not very healthy, Gruden looks lost, he and McKenzie are incompatible, Carr is young but lost, etc, etc.

They are dumpster fire.

At least the NY Saqouns  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/15/2018 1:29 pm : link
Have hope and Barkley to build a team around. Mara-Tisch will probably f it up though.
Raiders have more draft choices due them  
xman : 10/15/2018 3:15 pm : link
in the near future
RE: The Giants are worse  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/15/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14129097 rocco8112 said:
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No way. That Gruden contract is AROD 2 bad. Maybe worse. He may eventually get them to mediocre but they will he a contender for thst first draft pick til the end. Also think his time in the booth made him more arrogant and less felxible. Bad combo
How many people expected  
LS : 10/15/2018 3:48 pm : link
a playoff team this year? Anybody? This isn't a one year fix.
Still can't believe they traded Mack  
figgy2989 : 10/15/2018 3:51 pm : link
You have a player of that caliber, you don't trade him.
RE: How many people expected  
Milton : 10/15/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14129969 LS said:
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a playoff team this year? Anybody?
I did.
The Cardinals are in bad shape too  
Milton : 10/15/2018 4:02 pm : link
I'm a big Rosen fan, but I don't see them getting much better anytime soon.
RE: RE: How many people expected  
chopperhatch : 10/15/2018 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14129997 Milton said:
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In comment 14129969 LS said:


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a playoff team this year? Anybody?

I did.


Signed....so did a lot of analysts.

I think the Raiders are worse and Gruden gets the top pick just based on the power he has. He is a QB giy and will nose dive for Herbert. Thats fine, because I like Daniel Jones more every day.
RE: How many people expected  
gmenatlarge : 10/16/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 14129969 LS said:
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a playoff team this year? Anybody? This isn't a one year fix.


I think very few people.expected playoffs, but I think even less expected that we would be WORSE than last year and turn into a total shitshow. That’s not rebuilding that’s more like deconstructing!
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