i mean granted the Eli is being the sole image of how this team succeeds but the defense isnt looking so good either. They are letting people put up points on them in droves. Not the worst defense in the league but I'm sure they are up there.
Up until this week they were playing without their only Â
they've been average at best, but my biggest concern is that they quit. That's on the vets on this defense. Snacks, jackrabbit. It has to be really frustrating watching our offense do nothing and take no time off the clock, but that's no excuse. I think we need to continue to get rid of these guys.
RE: Up until this week they were playing without their only Â
qualified pass rusher, their #2 CB missed time, and they've had the offense turn the ball over and be generally unable to move the ball.
They've been average at best, but not enough to go pointing fingers at them. They've been on the field for way too long.
They have been on the field 16 seconds per game longer than the offense. Thats not the issue and has been a cop out. Against the Saints and Panthers, they were on the field less than the offense oging into the 4th and never got a stop.
Up until this week they were playing without their only
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qualified pass rusher, their #2 CB missed time, and they've had the offense turn the ball over and be generally unable to move the ball.
They had their #1 pass rusher and their #2 CB, and yet, they gave up the most points they have this year...And still have problems preventing 3rd downs...
they've been average at best, but my biggest concern is that they quit. That's on the vets on this defense. Snacks, jackrabbit. It has to be really frustrating watching our offense do nothing and take no time off the clock, but that's no excuse. I think we need to continue to get rid of these guys.
Agreed, that's the alarming part - but I'm not sure who's quitting out there, and who's just exhausted/hurt.
Remember, this is a flawed unit as well - with JPP gone (and in particular, with Vernon out), Kerry Wynn was the closest thing we had to a pass rusher. The secondary was vulnerable to begin with. The combination of the two just magnifies the problems.
The one game that they looked like they really threw in the towel was the Eagles game, and it was on short rest. They just looked completely deflated the second the INT was thrown. Let's see if that happens again before we label them all quitters and ship them out.
Some good players mixed with guys that clearly would not be playing meaningful minutes on a contender. The LB’s are weak, we haven’t had a free safety in what feels like a decade, very little pressure coming inside or outside, decent but not great enough cover corners to overcome the lack of pressure. We need to get guys that can put themselves in the QB’s face early and often. On the “bright side”, the defense may be easier to fix than the offense.
Read the post - the game they obviously quit during was the Thursday game against the Eagles on short rest. Not sure how much was just them collapsing, and how much was them giving up.
watching our offense do nothing with some of the best talent in the NFL. They are probably more demoralized than exhausted. Either way, not a good enough reason to check out as often as they do.
is mediocre at best. What makes them horrible is how they do not play with intensity for the whole game and they do not make the big stop.
Eli is the lightning rod so it takes some heat off the D. The idea they are tired due to the offensive ineptitude is also not true at all this season. They are just not good.
Read the post - the game they obviously quit during was the Thursday game against the Eagles on short rest. Not sure how much was just them collapsing, and how much was them giving up.
You said they have been on the field too long up until this week. Its just not true.
Read the post - the game they obviously quit during was the Thursday game against the Eagles on short rest. Not sure how much was just them collapsing, and how much was them giving up.
You said they have been on the field too long up until this week. Its just not true.
How is it just not true?
We ranked 22nd in TOP before the Eagles game. It's harder to defend than to attack, that's why good defenses typically have offenses that help the burden by taking a lead in TOP.
Do you have your Eli goggles on again? Do they interfere with your ability to review any part of this team?
watching our offense do nothing with some of the best talent in the NFL. They are probably more demoralized than exhausted. Either way, not a good enough reason to check out as often as they do.
Listen the offense sucks.
The defense sucks just as bad.
There is absolutely no leadership on either side of the ball. And the defense quit last week - which was a problem last year as well. Lot of malcontents.
Any defense would look bad paired with this offense Â
all 3 units DEF,OFF,ST are in the lower 3rd of the league. No one unit is able to carry any of the load and give us a chance to win. All 3 units are equally capable of losing a game for us. Not a recipe for success.
They quit pure and simple. No hustle, walking around. No intensity. Even in 1st half. They look lackluster.
Read the post - the game they obviously quit during was the Thursday game against the Eagles on short rest. Not sure how much was just them collapsing, and how much was them giving up.
We ranked 22nd in TOP before the Eagles game. It's harder to defend than to attack, that's why good defenses typically have offenses that help the burden by taking a lead in TOP.
Do you have your Eli goggles on again? Do they interfere with your ability to review any part of this team?
The defense has been on the field 16 more SECONDS than the offense. Like I said.... going into the 4th quarter of Carolina and NO - the offense had the ball MORE than the defense was on the field. What was the excuse then? They were tired from sitting too long?
Quit the fucking Eli nonsense. Its old and now its not even making any sense. You're saying the defense is tired as if its an excuse for the ineptitude. Maybe you should get your head of the sand and realize there is more problems to this team outside Eli Manning.
the opposing team has had 12 drives to start both halves this year./ They have scored on 8 of them. Is that from being tired too?
Apple is not a turnover machine....the way he covers someone is, he blankets the receiver so the qb looks the other way, but in doing so, never looks for the ball....He will tackle his guy, but is rather reluctant with anyone else...but he gets beat on timing patterns where qb's throw to a spot...
Jenkins? We got one stellar year out of him......He looks like he is out there just collecting a paycheck...he makes a play here and there, but seems to disappear in the fourth quarter when we really need a turnover......has his share of penalties....he has given up quite a few big plays...and it seems there are a lot of business decisions made when it comes time to making a tackle...
Free Safety.....
We have none, we have a body out there...
Strong Safety
Collins has never approached the level of 2016.....we can't over pay this guy....
Linebackers....
WE have Ogletree...that's it....and he is not a force...he makes plays an average linebacker should make....but when you have a 3-4 defense, you have to have more than one linebacker...
Defensive line?
Snacks is playing on a suspect knee, and is another year older....Tomlinson is nothing special....While OV is our best pass rusher, he gets caught in the middle a lot, and plays just go around him.....and how long will he last before there is another injury? The rest are backups, not starters...
That's our defense.....
Would not be surprised to see OV and Snacks gone next season....and if that happens that increases the rebuild by a couple more seasons....
Offense and defense is not going to be a quick fix.....and I don't trust DG to fix it fast enough...
From top to bottom the entire organization sucks Â
Is first down they are not stopping anybody where is this thunderous run D ? Opposing teams are averaging 5 to 7 yards on first down something that we need to do on offense .......
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
at some point against the eagles. I think the lack of offense can make the whole team deflated even when you try. Then again, their effort, in my opinion, was abysmal but maybe thats what it looks like when you get out-classed.
in the last drive of the Carolina game. They had the game in the bag with one last good series. They gave up almost 40 yards in 1:08... well you know the rest. A good defense elevates their game in situations like that. This defense went into the witness protection program...
at some point against the eagles. I think the lack of offense can make the whole team deflated even when you try. Then again, their effort, in my opinion, was abysmal but maybe thats what it looks like when you get out-classed.
Could be true and that is very scary. Quitting is hard to watch if you are a long time fan. Time too drop Direct TV ?
Is first down they are not stopping anybody where is this thunderous run D ? Opposing teams are averaging 5 to 7 yards on first down something that we need to do on offense .......
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
Maybe the "whole" is not as great as the sum of the parts?
Giants simply do not have enough quality defensive difference makers on that side of the ball. The "system" cannot cover this up but so for long.
RE: They are exhausted from
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watching our offense do nothing with some of the best talent in the NFL. They are probably more demoralized than exhausted. Either way, not a good enough reason to check out as often as they do.
Listen the offense sucks.
The defense sucks just as bad.
There is absolutely no leadership on either side of the ball. And the defense quit last week - which was a problem last year as well. Lot of malcontents.
Is first down they are not stopping anybody where is this thunderous run D ? Opposing teams are averaging 5 to 7 yards on first down something that we need to do on offense .......
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
Maybe the "whole" is not as great as the sum of the parts?
Giants simply do not have enough quality defensive difference makers on that side of the ball. The "system" cannot cover this up but so for long.
Jenkins
Snacks
Vernon
Ogletree
are all paid very handsomely. Collins is an all-rpo. Apple was first round pick. Tomlinson was a 2nd round pick.
or do they just lack talent? Outside of the DL, Vernon, Jenkins and Collins, they have a serious lack of talent. And it was Vernon's 1st game back and Jenkins hasn't been himself this year (off the field distractions?).
The sad thing is Curtis Riley is an improvement over the guy he replaced, if for no other reason than he can actually stay on the field.
Is first down they are not stopping anybody where is this thunderous run D ? Opposing teams are averaging 5 to 7 yards on first down something that we need to do on offense .......
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
Maybe the "whole" is not as great as the sum of the parts?
Giants simply do not have enough quality defensive difference makers on that side of the ball. The "system" cannot cover this up but so for long.
Jenkins
Snacks
Vernon
Ogletree
are all paid very handsomely. Collins is an all-rpo. Apple was first round pick. Tomlinson was a 2nd round pick.
So then are they all being coached poorly?
Many of these guys are the same ones that have been getting torched over two seasons now with two different coaching staffs.
That's why I'm wondering if we just have "names" out there. Guys who in theory should be players that are good (or that we think should be good), but when put together, just doesn't add up.
in the off-season, especially playing in a 3-4 where LBers are more the focus. An Edge Rusher is critical and possibly another inside backer that can cover and tackle. Possibly another CB, depends on Beal's health and definitely a FS that can be a factor. The Honey-Badger would have been a great pick up, however we would not have been capable of paying him. Anyway, the defense is average at best right now. They're bend but not break. Hopefully now with a better pass rush we can get teams off the fields on 3rd downs. Coverage on 3rd downs has been abysmal for the most part. We tend to play too far off receivers giving up easy conversions. Lastly, Run D has been fairly good, exception being running QBs, where we've had some issues containing.
Is first down they are not stopping anybody where is this thunderous run D ? Opposing teams are averaging 5 to 7 yards on first down something that we need to do on offense .......
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
Maybe the "whole" is not as great as the sum of the parts?
Giants simply do not have enough quality defensive difference makers on that side of the ball. The "system" cannot cover this up but so for long.
Jenkins
Snacks
Vernon
Ogletree
are all paid very handsomely. Collins is an all-rpo. Apple was first round pick. Tomlinson was a 2nd round pick.
Collins WAS an all pro but his play has not been as good since that year. Still very good, but maybe not great. I hope that year was not an outlier. Very curious to see if he is here next year.
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Is first down they are not stopping anybody where is this thunderous run D ? Opposing teams are averaging 5 to 7 yards on first down something that we need to do on offense .......
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
Maybe the "whole" is not as great as the sum of the parts?
Giants simply do not have enough quality defensive difference makers on that side of the ball. The "system" cannot cover this up but so for long.
Jenkins
Snacks
Vernon
Ogletree
are all paid very handsomely. Collins is an all-rpo. Apple was first round pick. Tomlinson was a 2nd round pick.
Collins WAS an all pro but his play has not been as good since that year. Still very good, but maybe not great. I hope that year was not an outlier. Very curious to see if he is here next year.
But maybe not great?
He's an average player with excellent tackling skills. 2016 was his high water mark. I can't see him returning there.
Not so sure that works being a backend guy.........
We ranked 22nd in TOP before the Eagles game. It's harder to defend than to attack, that's why good defenses typically have offenses that help the burden by taking a lead in TOP.
Do you have your Eli goggles on again? Do they interfere with your ability to review any part of this team?
The defense has been on the field 16 more SECONDS than the offense. Like I said.... going into the 4th quarter of Carolina and NO - the offense had the ball MORE than the defense was on the field. What was the excuse then? They were tired from sitting too long?
Quit the fucking Eli nonsense. Its old and now its not even making any sense. You're saying the defense is tired as if its an excuse for the ineptitude. Maybe you should get your head of the sand and realize there is more problems to this team outside Eli Manning.
the opposing team has had 12 drives to start both halves this year./ They have scored on 8 of them. Is that from being tired too?
Very telling.
I thought we were, at least, going to have a fun defense to watch that attacked...........where did that go?
I think that they are worse than they are given credit for Â
they give up tons of long drives and tons of plays at inopportune times (e.g.; 3rd and long). Likewise, they are prone to inopportune penalties. People think that they look better than they are because after giving up big drives and big plays, they've held teams to FGs instead of TDs. SO people think they are tough and forget how the teams got into the red zone in the first place.
Plus, if you think back not just this season but the previous one as well, how many times have been confident when the other team gets the ball lasts and needs a score (even a TD) to win the game. How many times did they prove that confidence correct and prevent the score?
Everyone hate Eli or hates the offense because they can point to a single focal person, whereas the defense is less easy to find a singular scapegoat. But as a group, they are no better than our offense.
The defense doesn't get a pass for the poor play against PHI and CAR. Especially against PHI, where I saw too many plays that had defenders in the secondary who were not swarming to the ball carrier.
It's true that the defense has been the victim of a number of bad calls early on this season. I wonder if that has taken some of the aggressiveness out of them, even if just a bit.
The argument that they have lost hope given the struggles on offense might be somewhat true, but it's not justifiable. They are pros and should play with pride even if they expect to be right back on the field again.
The one thing in the defense's favor is that they have strung together some stretches of good ball this year. This makes me think that they are capable of overcoming some of the bad play they've had.
However, if their attitudes have gone wrong that's a difficult mountain to climb for Bettcher. He can get them refocused and we can see some good play again, but sustaining it shouldn't be expected if we continue to have offensive struggles. That's not making excuses, just how I see it.
I think we have the makings of a "good enough" defense. Maybe a slightly better than middle of the road type defense. Will we see it? Perhaps we'll see flashes from time to time, but against the good offensive teams in this league I doubt we will see sustained effort, which is what would be needed for this defense to reach it's potential (top 12 team overall, give or take).
As a result, I expect we will end up with a defense that is ranked in the bottom third of the league by the time the regular season expires.
The defense has not done their part
There have been occasions where they looked good but when it came toward the later part of games the defense could not make the critical stop
The most disturbing part of the defense is that the linebackers and defensive backs cannot tackle
Especially the corners , I have lost count how many missed tackles they had
RE: Up until this week they were playing without their only Â
qualified pass rusher, their #2 CB missed time, and they've had the offense turn the ball over and be generally unable to move the ball.
They've been average at best, but not enough to go pointing fingers at them. They've been on the field for way too long.
Just going to throw it out there that kennard and okwara who didnt fit our d are having great years. Ogletree was an upgrade but we bailed out LA on that contract. Then we picked up a bunch of other teams garbage, the ones who couldnt make their own teams and you expect an improvement? I know they were in win now mode but solder is overpaid, we trashed brett jones who was a steal for 3 mil back. Would of asked that from stewart who has no business on giants other than backup if we didnt get saquan. Gettleman reached hard on FA and got nothing however he may of just given us the best draft class in over 10 years. Saquan, hernandez, bj hill, and carter all starting and proving their worth. And with d, i think our last reach in FA was way better . Snacks has been amazing, jenkins had one bad year but everyone quit last year, and OV has stopped the run each year, his sack numbers are meaningless.
The bottom line is Giants are worst team in first down defense , you can’t stop the other team if they’re always on second and 2-3 yards they just keep moving the sticks ...... It looks to me that Snacks is doing his job , Tomlinson might be the culprit admittedly I haven’t studied the film or maybe people underestimated JPP,s work against the run.....
They've been average at best, but not enough to go pointing fingers at them. They've been on the field for way too long.
They've been average at best, but not enough to go pointing fingers at them. They've been on the field for way too long.
They have been on the field 16 seconds per game longer than the offense. Thats not the issue and has been a cop out. Against the Saints and Panthers, they were on the field less than the offense oging into the 4th and never got a stop.
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qualified pass rusher, their #2 CB missed time, and they've had the offense turn the ball over and be generally unable to move the ball.
They had their #1 pass rusher and their #2 CB, and yet, they gave up the most points they have this year...And still have problems preventing 3rd downs...
Both offense and defense are bad....
Agreed, that's the alarming part - but I'm not sure who's quitting out there, and who's just exhausted/hurt.
Remember, this is a flawed unit as well - with JPP gone (and in particular, with Vernon out), Kerry Wynn was the closest thing we had to a pass rusher. The secondary was vulnerable to begin with. The combination of the two just magnifies the problems.
The one game that they looked like they really threw in the towel was the Eagles game, and it was on short rest. They just looked completely deflated the second the INT was thrown. Let's see if that happens again before we label them all quitters and ship them out.
Read the post - the game they obviously quit during was the Thursday game against the Eagles on short rest. Not sure how much was just them collapsing, and how much was them giving up.
Eli is the lightning rod so it takes some heat off the D. The idea they are tired due to the offensive ineptitude is also not true at all this season. They are just not good.
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what are they exhausted from?
Read the post - the game they obviously quit during was the Thursday game against the Eagles on short rest. Not sure how much was just them collapsing, and how much was them giving up.
You said they have been on the field too long up until this week. Its just not true.
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what are they exhausted from?
Read the post - the game they obviously quit during was the Thursday game against the Eagles on short rest. Not sure how much was just them collapsing, and how much was them giving up.
You said they have been on the field too long up until this week. Its just not true.
How is it just not true?
We ranked 22nd in TOP before the Eagles game. It's harder to defend than to attack, that's why good defenses typically have offenses that help the burden by taking a lead in TOP.
Do you have your Eli goggles on again? Do they interfere with your ability to review any part of this team?
Listen the offense sucks.
The defense sucks just as bad.
There is absolutely no leadership on either side of the ball. And the defense quit last week - which was a problem last year as well. Lot of malcontents.
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what are they exhausted from?
They quit pure and simple. No hustle, walking around. No intensity. Even in 1st half. They look lackluster.
Read the post - the game they obviously quit during was the Thursday game against the Eagles on short rest. Not sure how much was just them collapsing, and how much was them giving up.
How is it just not true?
We ranked 22nd in TOP before the Eagles game. It's harder to defend than to attack, that's why good defenses typically have offenses that help the burden by taking a lead in TOP.
Do you have your Eli goggles on again? Do they interfere with your ability to review any part of this team?
The defense has been on the field 16 more SECONDS than the offense. Like I said.... going into the 4th quarter of Carolina and NO - the offense had the ball MORE than the defense was on the field. What was the excuse then? They were tired from sitting too long?
Quit the fucking Eli nonsense. Its old and now its not even making any sense. You're saying the defense is tired as if its an excuse for the ineptitude. Maybe you should get your head of the sand and realize there is more problems to this team outside Eli Manning.
the opposing team has had 12 drives to start both halves this year./ They have scored on 8 of them. Is that from being tired too?
Apple is not a turnover machine....the way he covers someone is, he blankets the receiver so the qb looks the other way, but in doing so, never looks for the ball....He will tackle his guy, but is rather reluctant with anyone else...but he gets beat on timing patterns where qb's throw to a spot...
Jenkins? We got one stellar year out of him......He looks like he is out there just collecting a paycheck...he makes a play here and there, but seems to disappear in the fourth quarter when we really need a turnover......has his share of penalties....he has given up quite a few big plays...and it seems there are a lot of business decisions made when it comes time to making a tackle...
Free Safety.....
We have none, we have a body out there...
Strong Safety
Collins has never approached the level of 2016.....we can't over pay this guy....
Linebackers....
WE have Ogletree...that's it....and he is not a force...he makes plays an average linebacker should make....but when you have a 3-4 defense, you have to have more than one linebacker...
Defensive line?
Snacks is playing on a suspect knee, and is another year older....Tomlinson is nothing special....While OV is our best pass rusher, he gets caught in the middle a lot, and plays just go around him.....and how long will he last before there is another injury? The rest are backups, not starters...
That's our defense.....
Would not be surprised to see OV and Snacks gone next season....and if that happens that increases the rebuild by a couple more seasons....
Offense and defense is not going to be a quick fix.....and I don't trust DG to fix it fast enough...
We are the worst team in the NFL and frankly it may not even be that close.
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
Maybe the "whole" is not as great as the sum of the parts?
Giants simply do not have enough quality defensive difference makers on that side of the ball. The "system" cannot cover this up but so for long.
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watching our offense do nothing with some of the best talent in the NFL. They are probably more demoralized than exhausted. Either way, not a good enough reason to check out as often as they do.
Listen the offense sucks.
The defense sucks just as bad.
There is absolutely no leadership on either side of the ball. And the defense quit last week - which was a problem last year as well. Lot of malcontents.
Are right on point.
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Is first down they are not stopping anybody where is this thunderous run D ? Opposing teams are averaging 5 to 7 yards on first down something that we need to do on offense .......
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
Maybe the "whole" is not as great as the sum of the parts?
Giants simply do not have enough quality defensive difference makers on that side of the ball. The "system" cannot cover this up but so for long.
Jenkins
Snacks
Vernon
Ogletree
are all paid very handsomely. Collins is an all-rpo. Apple was first round pick. Tomlinson was a 2nd round pick.
The sad thing is Curtis Riley is an improvement over the guy he replaced, if for no other reason than he can actually stay on the field.
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Is first down they are not stopping anybody where is this thunderous run D ? Opposing teams are averaging 5 to 7 yards on first down something that we need to do on offense .......
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
Maybe the "whole" is not as great as the sum of the parts?
Giants simply do not have enough quality defensive difference makers on that side of the ball. The "system" cannot cover this up but so for long.
Jenkins
Snacks
Vernon
Ogletree
are all paid very handsomely. Collins is an all-rpo. Apple was first round pick. Tomlinson was a 2nd round pick.
So then are they all being coached poorly?
Many of these guys are the same ones that have been getting torched over two seasons now with two different coaching staffs.
That's why I'm wondering if we just have "names" out there. Guys who in theory should be players that are good (or that we think should be good), but when put together, just doesn't add up.
What do you think dep?
Combine that with a poor motivational coach. Yuck.
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Is first down they are not stopping anybody where is this thunderous run D ? Opposing teams are averaging 5 to 7 yards on first down something that we need to do on offense .......
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
Maybe the "whole" is not as great as the sum of the parts?
Giants simply do not have enough quality defensive difference makers on that side of the ball. The "system" cannot cover this up but so for long.
Jenkins
Snacks
Vernon
Ogletree
are all paid very handsomely. Collins is an all-rpo. Apple was first round pick. Tomlinson was a 2nd round pick.
Collins WAS an all pro but his play has not been as good since that year. Still very good, but maybe not great. I hope that year was not an outlier. Very curious to see if he is here next year.
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In comment 14129524 NikkiMac said:
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Is first down they are not stopping anybody where is this thunderous run D ? Opposing teams are averaging 5 to 7 yards on first down something that we need to do on offense .......
Right now this defense is just running around out there albeit a new system........
Maybe the "whole" is not as great as the sum of the parts?
Giants simply do not have enough quality defensive difference makers on that side of the ball. The "system" cannot cover this up but so for long.
Jenkins
Snacks
Vernon
Ogletree
are all paid very handsomely. Collins is an all-rpo. Apple was first round pick. Tomlinson was a 2nd round pick.
Collins WAS an all pro but his play has not been as good since that year. Still very good, but maybe not great. I hope that year was not an outlier. Very curious to see if he is here next year.
But maybe not great?
He's an average player with excellent tackling skills. 2016 was his high water mark. I can't see him returning there.
Not so sure that works being a backend guy.........
DG will end up letting him go IMO...........
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How is it just not true?
We ranked 22nd in TOP before the Eagles game. It's harder to defend than to attack, that's why good defenses typically have offenses that help the burden by taking a lead in TOP.
Do you have your Eli goggles on again? Do they interfere with your ability to review any part of this team?
The defense has been on the field 16 more SECONDS than the offense. Like I said.... going into the 4th quarter of Carolina and NO - the offense had the ball MORE than the defense was on the field. What was the excuse then? They were tired from sitting too long?
Quit the fucking Eli nonsense. Its old and now its not even making any sense. You're saying the defense is tired as if its an excuse for the ineptitude. Maybe you should get your head of the sand and realize there is more problems to this team outside Eli Manning.
the opposing team has had 12 drives to start both halves this year./ They have scored on 8 of them. Is that from being tired too?
Very telling.
I thought we were, at least, going to have a fun defense to watch that attacked...........where did that go?
Plus, if you think back not just this season but the previous one as well, how many times have been confident when the other team gets the ball lasts and needs a score (even a TD) to win the game. How many times did they prove that confidence correct and prevent the score?
Everyone hate Eli or hates the offense because they can point to a single focal person, whereas the defense is less easy to find a singular scapegoat. But as a group, they are no better than our offense.
The defense doesn't get a pass for the poor play against PHI and CAR. Especially against PHI, where I saw too many plays that had defenders in the secondary who were not swarming to the ball carrier.
It's true that the defense has been the victim of a number of bad calls early on this season. I wonder if that has taken some of the aggressiveness out of them, even if just a bit.
The argument that they have lost hope given the struggles on offense might be somewhat true, but it's not justifiable. They are pros and should play with pride even if they expect to be right back on the field again.
The one thing in the defense's favor is that they have strung together some stretches of good ball this year. This makes me think that they are capable of overcoming some of the bad play they've had.
However, if their attitudes have gone wrong that's a difficult mountain to climb for Bettcher. He can get them refocused and we can see some good play again, but sustaining it shouldn't be expected if we continue to have offensive struggles. That's not making excuses, just how I see it.
I think we have the makings of a "good enough" defense. Maybe a slightly better than middle of the road type defense. Will we see it? Perhaps we'll see flashes from time to time, but against the good offensive teams in this league I doubt we will see sustained effort, which is what would be needed for this defense to reach it's potential (top 12 team overall, give or take).
As a result, I expect we will end up with a defense that is ranked in the bottom third of the league by the time the regular season expires.
There have been occasions where they looked good but when it came toward the later part of games the defense could not make the critical stop
The most disturbing part of the defense is that the linebackers and defensive backs cannot tackle
Especially the corners , I have lost count how many missed tackles they had
They've been average at best, but not enough to go pointing fingers at them. They've been on the field for way too long.
Just going to throw it out there that kennard and okwara who didnt fit our d are having great years. Ogletree was an upgrade but we bailed out LA on that contract. Then we picked up a bunch of other teams garbage, the ones who couldnt make their own teams and you expect an improvement? I know they were in win now mode but solder is overpaid, we trashed brett jones who was a steal for 3 mil back. Would of asked that from stewart who has no business on giants other than backup if we didnt get saquan. Gettleman reached hard on FA and got nothing however he may of just given us the best draft class in over 10 years. Saquan, hernandez, bj hill, and carter all starting and proving their worth. And with d, i think our last reach in FA was way better . Snacks has been amazing, jenkins had one bad year but everyone quit last year, and OV has stopped the run each year, his sack numbers are meaningless.
from watching the offense. you're not exhausted? i know i am.