Teddy Bridgewater - the perfect succession plan

Guy threw 14 tds in 16 games last time he started

which leads to the question of exactly how well recovered is the knee.

I’ve always been a staunch supporter of Eli but me thinks age is catching up. It is time to move on.

In comment 14129643 JonC said:

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which leads to the question of exactly how well recovered is the knee.

This.

If we were to cut Eli, sign Bridgewater to a modest 2/3 deal and then draft Herbert/Jones, Im cool with that. But if we pass on a QB this year and sign Tedy effing Bridgewater to hitch our wagon to him, the Giants will become secondary on Sundays.

In comment 14129640 Marvin Across The sea said:

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Guy threw 14 tds in 16 games last time he started

Thanks, I don't get the love affair with Bridgewater. It's not like he was a pro bowl QB before the bad knee injury. As a stopgap I would be in support of signing him but I would not put my faith in him as a long term option. That would waste a year or two more of Beckham and Barkley's primes. Get Herbert and enjoy 5 years of a QB who has a well below market contract.

FMiC see this thread lol. He ripped me a new one in 4 diff posts when i brought it up last week

have our succession plan right here on our roster in Lauletta. We can’t be dismissive of this guy. Not yet anyway.

Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead.

Or not

Seems to be a good fit for Shumur. Also develop Lauletta STARTING NOW and focus on Bosa or a stud OLinmen.

Damaged goods, NFL wanna be.

Draft Eli's successor in the next year or two.

In comment 14129667 Big Blue '56 said:

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have our succession plan right here on our roster in Lauletta. We can’t be dismissive of this guy. Not yet anyway. Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead. Or not

Not when we have the opportunity to draft someone vastly more talented than him. No fucking way. I liked Lauletta as a pick only because I thought the Giants had playoff aspirations this year and he could be a 2 or 3 year project. We need a blue chipper. Lauletta might be a fine back up. But I want a stud to go with Barkley and Beckham.

... Bridgewater could play so well for Giants in 2019 that they might have to re-think even drafting a QB (Now that's what being optimistic is all about)

to the Jets for him? I could very well see Brees retiring and their succession plan is Bridgewater

Unless Eli retires after this year. We already have him under contract for next season and whatever bargain price for TB you’re baking into this equation probably, at best, is cost neutral if we cut Manning. You can argue whether TB is a better option than Eli Manning in 2019, but it’s highly unlikely that this scenario plays out for many reasons.

In comment 14129674 Red Dog said:

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Damaged goods, NFL wanna be. Draft Eli's successor in the next year or two.

That's what the Dolphins said about Drew Brees when they didn't sign him as a free agent in 2005 after his shoulder surgery.

Sometimes you have take a shot. Huge upside here.

In comment 14129682 mattyblue said:

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to the Jets for him? I could very well see Brees retiring and their succession plan is Bridgewater

they'd have to re-sign him, he's only on a 1 year deal.

Not many teams in the NFL seemed to agree when he was available, and his rookie season is a long time ago. He's a QB with an ok arm and might have lost some of his mobility weapon, even if just to change his game to protect himself over the long term.

I'm ok with a one year deal and low expectations, but ...

but at the end of the day, we know who DG is. He has the gold jacket mentality and he's not going to draft a QB just to draft a QB. Last year was proof. This class is loaded with DL talent and stopping the run is DG's mantra.

We have absolutely no idea what's going to happen and this is the one of the sad side-effects of a terrible season. Draft hype starts WAY too soon.

I want to focus on this season and figure out what we have now. Changing Lauletta out of street clothes on Sundays is a good start. From there, if he's not an option then yes, we should explore other options like a journeyman QB.

that deems himself huge upside?

that's it...

In comment 14129678 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14129667 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: have our succession plan right here on our roster in Lauletta. We can’t be dismissive of this guy. Not yet anyway. Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead. Or not Not when we have the opportunity to draft someone vastly more talented than him. No fucking way. I liked Lauletta as a pick only because I thought the Giants had playoff aspirations this year and he could be a 2 or 3 year project. We need a blue chipper. Lauletta might be a fine back up. But I want a stud to go with Barkley and Beckham.

Understood, but I wouldn’t preclude Lauletta AND a possible ‘19 stud..Brings back memories of Aikman and Walsh, RGIII and Cousins

On bridgewater, and would not in any chance in hell
Mortgage any part of our future to get him

In comment 14129668 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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Seems to be a good fit for Shumur. Also develop Lauletta STARTING NOW and focus on Bosa or a stud OLinmen.

+1

In comment 14129667 Big Blue '56 said:

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have our succession plan right here on our roster in Lauletta. We can’t be dismissive of this guy. Not yet anyway. Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead. Or not

We might but you do not pass on a potential franchise QB, with a far more impressive arm, because of a 4th round developmental pick. Best case scenario both QB's are starter caliber. Then we sit back and enjoy 2-3 years of knowing we have a perfectly capable backup in Lauletta who they could flip for a pick before the deadline of his final season.

....Bridgewater. Never impressed.

The guy that always has intrigued me is Tannahill in Miami (yeah, I know).

I just thought, esp before the injury, his upside was incredible esp if he got the right coaching.

Of course now, he appears at odds with his HC who is an offensive guy.

he was the #2 Qb behind Keenum not Bridgewater. The fact that the Giants made no attempt to sign him in free agency with his former OC as the Giants HC speaks volumes. If Shurmur really thought he was a capable starting QB the Giants would have brought him in as the heir to Eli.

but if we are going stop gap then might as well look at Tyrod Taylor. More proven than Bridgewater.

I was never impressed. He wasn't a vertical passer. I think too many fell in love with his athleticism.

In comment 14129724 jvm52106 said:

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but if we are going stop gap then might as well look at Tyrod Taylor. More proven than Bridgewater.

I would prefer Fitzpatrick or even Josh McCown. McCown knows his role and he fully embraces it. He is basically another coach on the field. I can't believe I am going to say this but while he is not a mentor I wouldn't be against RG3 on a cheap one year deal. He is desperate after being out of football last season and he would be a decent stopgap.

In comment 14129640 Marvin Across The sea said:

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Guy threw 14 tds in 16 games last time he started

Yeah and also won the division with 11-5 record and would have made a Super Bowl run if Blair Walsh didn't shank a 27 yard field against the Seahawks in the playoffs.

Is he the perfect QB? Of course not. But he is an intriguing stop-gap guy who could hold the fort for a year or two until the right guy comes along. A worse idea (with all of the holes that this team needs to fill) is to force a high pick on QB in 2019 just for the sake of taking one. That'll set you back 5 years minimum (sse Dave Brown).

In comment 14129759 kinard said:

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In comment 14129640 Marvin Across The sea said: Quote: Guy threw 14 tds in 16 games last time he started Yeah and also won the division with 11-5 record and would have made a Super Bowl run if Blair Walsh didn't shank a 27 yard field against the Seahawks in the playoffs. Is he the perfect QB? Of course not. But he is an intriguing stop-gap guy who could hold the fort for a year or two until the right guy comes along. A worse idea (with all of the holes that this team needs to fill) is to force a high pick on QB in 2019 just for the sake of taking one. That'll set you back 5 years minimum (sse Dave Brown).

Wait wait, he was hardly the reason they were 11-5 and he has since had a DEVASTATING knee injury.

This is about as dumb as it gets. If we gain the cap space by losing Eli we should fix the OL first instead of getting some broken down QB. We still have to sign Landon Collins and sign another 16 players to get to 51.

But want to replace him with Bridgewater! The next day Bridgewater is a better QB than Eli will be his first.

that says no thanks to Teddy Bridgewater. Stop-gap or otherwise.

f course, I'd love to see the O-line gel and Eli be able to finish his career doing well. Winning some games, being competitive. But if that doesn't happen over the next handful of games, I would like to see Lauletta get at least 3-4 games, win, lose or draw. I think that at least gives the front office some intel necessary to move ahead with a semblance of a plan.

How great would it be if Lauletta actually flashed a little bit, and looked like maybe he had a shot to be the next guy?

I'm hopeful.

for a knee-transplant candidate?
Now THAT would be roster turnover.

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In comment 14129674 Red Dog said: Quote: Damaged goods, NFL wanna be. Draft Eli's successor in the next year or two. That's what the Dolphins said about Drew Brees when they didn't sign him as a free agent in 2005 after his shoulder surgery. Sometimes you have take a shot. Huge upside here.

Problem is the salary. Are we really willing to pay a big contract for a stop gap QB? No QB's seem to come cheap anymore. If we are going to do just do it and rip the band aid now.

if your plan is to win 6-7 games/year.

NYG will not be in position to draft a QB they like high. There are fewer prospects than last year and probably going to be a few teams drafting ahead of us, and no guarantees they like anyone more than what was available last year.

There is a good chance this team will be looking at Oline or Edge in round 1, which are also major needs. If that happens, they will likely need to roll another year with Eli or look to a FA option. I doubt it will be Bridgewater, but an option along those lines could be in play, depending on how things shake up.

In comment 14129790 BillT said:

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But want to replace him with Bridgewater! The next day Bridgewater is a better QB than Eli will be his first.

That doesn’t seem to be what coaches fans and players think as far as I can tell they think Eli has had it or at least that’s the perception and perception means a lot in the NFL

14 tds people. 14. That’s his best season before his leg exploded into a million pieces.

I’m not saying bridgewter is garbage but he was never an elite prospect and he’s never shown elite or even very good skills at the Nfl level. That’s the guy?

I ripped you:

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wait until UESBLUE : 1:07 pm : link : reply FMiC see this thread lol. He ripped me a new one in 4 diff posts when i brought it up last week

You actually suggested that we should trade Jenkins and Vernon for Bridgewater, which is such a fucking bad idea that I'm not sure why you'd even suggest it.

Not to mention that Bridgewater has never been an elite player and destroyed his knee. So basically, we'd sign a guy who is nothing better than a backup at this point as part of a "succession plan"? Doesn't make much sense. Or about as much sense as signing Josh Freeman, Alex Tanney or Geno Smith did

and compete for the job. But as others have said, anyone assuming he’s ready to be Eli’s successor sight unseen is really reaching.

The perfect succession plan is Kyle Lauletta.

Not a fan.

What exactly has he proven at the pro level to warrant being a starting QB at this point? Played one, yes one full season that was pedestrian at best. As some have mentioned in previous threads, if we are to go the veteran route, I would prefer to see what QB's shake loose at the end of the year, like a Joe Flacco type or perhaps David Carr.

Football isnt a stats game. That was a team playing keep away with the #1 D in the NFL. They should’ve beaten the Seahawks in SEA that year in the Playoffs.

I thought he looked very good vs. the Giants in preseason which is all we really have to go on. He’s a mobile passer rather than a runner. Really liked him coming out of Louisvillle.

keep Eli around as the stop gap QB until we have the next guy in the house.

Bridgewater stinks, has a weak arm, and has a knee injury history that includes near amputation of his leg.

A Pats fan that works for me brought this up two weeks ago and he gets all his original thoughts from Colin Cowherd.

why would saints trade him?they have no #1 pick next year

In comment 14129667 Big Blue '56 said:

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have our succession plan right here on our roster in Lauletta. We can’t be dismissive of this guy. Not yet anyway. Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead. Or not

Well, this offense doesn’t require a QB to throw more than 10 yards downfield so I guess his lack of arm strength won’t be a concern anymore lol.

In comment 14129902 djm said:

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14 tds people. 14. That’s his best season before his leg exploded into a million pieces. I’m not saying bridgewter is garbage but he was never an elite prospect and he’s never shown elite or even very good skills at the Nfl level. That’s the guy?

Everyone's a damn expert....

When was TB an elite prospect? How about when he was a first round pick and then became NFL Rookie of Year and then became a Pro Bowl QB. I'd say that's pretty elite. I get that his leg was torn up and there's risk involved. The NFL is full of guys who have career-threatening knee/leg/shoulder/injuries and have made it back from Drew Brees to Adrian Peterson to Thomas Davis (just to name a few).

Some people seem to think that franchise-type QBs fall from the sky or just because you draft a guy that he'll automatically be successful. Bridgewater was healthy enough for Sean Peyton to take a shot on him and he's a pretty good authority on QBs. He signed with the Jets for 6 million earlier this year. If you haven't noticed the Giants are pretty hamstrung heading into next year's salary cap. If you could get Bridgewater for something similar to that it would be stupid to not roll the dice on Bridgewater. Hey, I love ELi Manning as much as the next guy but a 26 year Teddy Bridgewater has a much better chance of succeeding with this team than a 38 year Eli Manning will next year.

Yeah, lets draft some stiff QB in 2019 because that's what everyone's screaming to do. I've yet to hear another plausible strategy. We need to start drafting offense linemen and some defensive guys in 2019 not throwing darts at some questionable college QBs.

But with weapons like Saquon, Odell and Engram, Giants might be able to get by with a game manger the way Joe Gibbs did back in the day.

Bridgewater did not win the Associated Press Offensive Rookie of the year in 2014 (Beckham actually did). Bridgewater was chosen to All-Rookie team that year and won something called the "The Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Year" which is an annual award given to the top rookie in the NFL as selected by fans through an online voting process at NFL.com.

Still, you get my drift. Not saying that he is a long-term solution. Only that he could step in and have the team compete while our skill players are still in their prime and you can groom a younger guy.

If the eventual plan is to draft someone from a better crop in 2020. The obvious risk is that you end up being good enough to not get the guy you want in 2020, while still not really competing in 2019.

In comment 14129913 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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I ripped you: Quote: wait until UESBLUE : 1:07 pm : link : reply FMiC see this thread lol. He ripped me a new one in 4 diff posts when i brought it up last week You actually suggested that we should trade Jenkins and Vernon for Bridgewater, which is such a fucking bad idea that I'm not sure why you'd even suggest it. Not to mention that Bridgewater has never been an elite player and destroyed his knee. So basically, we'd sign a guy who is nothing better than a backup at this point as part of a "succession plan"? Doesn't make much sense. Or about as much sense as signing Josh Freeman, Alex Tanney or Geno Smith did

actually no - the OP suggested that trade. I was never on board with that. It wasnt my thread. I just said we shouldve considered TB.

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Everyone's a damn expert....

Then he tries to show us he’s the expert.

Followed up by his own correction that he isn’t such a damn expert.

Love it!!!

In comment 14130356 KWALL2 said:

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Quote: Everyone's a damn expert.... Then he tries to show us he’s the expert. Followed up by his own correction that he isn’t such a damn expert. Love it!!!

Nah - I'm no expert. Been watching the game a long time, but no expert.

Just a fan with a voice defending a position. You're the guy who knows that Bridgewater's ceiling is "6 to 7 wins a year." I won't claim to be that enlightened.

In comment 14130025 mittenedman said:

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Football isnt a stats game. That was a team playing keep away with the #1 D in the NFL. They should’ve beaten the Seahawks in SEA that year in the Playoffs. I thought he looked very good vs. the Giants in preseason which is all we really have to go on. He’s a mobile passer rather than a runner. Really liked him coming out of Louisvillle.

I’m with you on some qb stats. But tds? Tds are everything.

Find me the qb that threw a lot of tds that wasn’t any good. Name one. Ok maybe one, Scott Mitchell in Detroit once had a big Td year 20 years ago. That’s basically it.

Ints can be overstated. Qb rating can be misleading. But most qb stats can tell you something about the qb and tds tell a lot. bridgewater isn’t a big time playmaker. Never was. Even his yardage numbers are ordinary at best.

As a guy that battles the high draft pick here? Sure. Not as THE guy.

In comment 14129667 Big Blue '56 said:

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have our succession plan right here on our roster in Lauletta. We can’t be dismissive of this guy. Not yet anyway. Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead. Or not

Agree.