What's not to like here?
As I noted on an earlier thread, Bridgewater is a 2019 free agent and will be 26 when 2019 season starts. He had a great training camp with Jets and is currently serving a nice apprenticeship with Drew Brees. One time Rookie of the year and former Pro Bowler and according to just about everyone - a good kid. Looks to have recovered from leg injury.
Would allow Giants to focus on offensive line and defense in the 2019 draft and not force a pick on a quarterback. Allows us to wait until 2020 draft to pick a young QB in what looks like a very good draft at that position.
Knows Shurmer's system already while he was in Minnesota. Could step right in and play and you wouldn't waste any prime years of Beckham/Barkley/Engram. Might not be too cost prohibitive either.
Giants management - you're welcome.
This.
If we were to cut Eli, sign Bridgewater to a modest 2/3 deal and then draft Herbert/Jones, Im cool with that. But if we pass on a QB this year and sign Tedy effing Bridgewater to hitch our wagon to him, the Giants will become secondary on Sundays.
Thanks, I don't get the love affair with Bridgewater. It's not like he was a pro bowl QB before the bad knee injury. As a stopgap I would be in support of signing him but I would not put my faith in him as a long term option. That would waste a year or two more of Beckham and Barkley's primes. Get Herbert and enjoy 5 years of a QB who has a well below market contract.
Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead.
Or not
Draft Eli's successor in the next year or two.
Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead.
Or not
Not when we have the opportunity to draft someone vastly more talented than him. No fucking way. I liked Lauletta as a pick only because I thought the Giants had playoff aspirations this year and he could be a 2 or 3 year project. We need a blue chipper. Lauletta might be a fine back up. But I want a stud to go with Barkley and Beckham.
Draft Eli's successor in the next year or two.
That's what the Dolphins said about Drew Brees when they didn't sign him as a free agent in 2005 after his shoulder surgery.
Sometimes you have take a shot. Huge upside here.
they'd have to re-sign him, he's only on a 1 year deal.
I'm ok with a one year deal and low expectations, but ...
We have absolutely no idea what's going to happen and this is the one of the sad side-effects of a terrible season. Draft hype starts WAY too soon.
I want to focus on this season and figure out what we have now. Changing Lauletta out of street clothes on Sundays is a good start. From there, if he's not an option then yes, we should explore other options like a journeyman QB.
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have our succession plan right here on our roster in Lauletta. We can’t be dismissive of this guy. Not yet anyway.
Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead.
Or not
Not when we have the opportunity to draft someone vastly more talented than him. No fucking way. I liked Lauletta as a pick only because I thought the Giants had playoff aspirations this year and he could be a 2 or 3 year project. We need a blue chipper. Lauletta might be a fine back up. But I want a stud to go with Barkley and Beckham.
Understood, but I wouldn’t preclude Lauletta AND a possible ‘19 stud..Brings back memories of Aikman and Walsh, RGIII and Cousins
Mortgage any part of our future to get him
+1
Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead.
Or not
We might but you do not pass on a potential franchise QB, with a far more impressive arm, because of a 4th round developmental pick. Best case scenario both QB's are starter caliber. Then we sit back and enjoy 2-3 years of knowing we have a perfectly capable backup in Lauletta who they could flip for a pick before the deadline of his final season.
The guy that always has intrigued me is Tannahill in Miami (yeah, I know).
I just thought, esp before the injury, his upside was incredible esp if he got the right coaching.
Of course now, he appears at odds with his HC who is an offensive guy.
I would prefer Fitzpatrick or even Josh McCown. McCown knows his role and he fully embraces it. He is basically another coach on the field. I can't believe I am going to say this but while he is not a mentor I wouldn't be against RG3 on a cheap one year deal. He is desperate after being out of football last season and he would be a decent stopgap.
Yeah and also won the division with 11-5 record and would have made a Super Bowl run if Blair Walsh didn't shank a 27 yard field against the Seahawks in the playoffs.
Is he the perfect QB? Of course not. But he is an intriguing stop-gap guy who could hold the fort for a year or two until the right guy comes along. A worse idea (with all of the holes that this team needs to fill) is to force a high pick on QB in 2019 just for the sake of taking one. That'll set you back 5 years minimum (sse Dave Brown).
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Guy threw 14 tds in 16 games last time he started
Yeah and also won the division with 11-5 record and would have made a Super Bowl run if Blair Walsh didn't shank a 27 yard field against the Seahawks in the playoffs.
Is he the perfect QB? Of course not. But he is an intriguing stop-gap guy who could hold the fort for a year or two until the right guy comes along. A worse idea (with all of the holes that this team needs to fill) is to force a high pick on QB in 2019 just for the sake of taking one. That'll set you back 5 years minimum (sse Dave Brown).
Wait wait, he was hardly the reason they were 11-5 and he has since had a DEVASTATING knee injury.
f course, I'd love to see the O-line gel and Eli be able to finish his career doing well. Winning some games, being competitive. But if that doesn't happen over the next handful of games, I would like to see Lauletta get at least 3-4 games, win, lose or draw. I think that at least gives the front office some intel necessary to move ahead with a semblance of a plan.
How great would it be if Lauletta actually flashed a little bit, and looked like maybe he had a shot to be the next guy?
I'm hopeful.
Now THAT would be roster turnover.
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Damaged goods, NFL wanna be.
Draft Eli's successor in the next year or two.
That's what the Dolphins said about Drew Brees when they didn't sign him as a free agent in 2005 after his shoulder surgery.
Sometimes you have take a shot. Huge upside here.
Problem is the salary. Are we really willing to pay a big contract for a stop gap QB? No QB's seem to come cheap anymore. If we are going to do just do it and rip the band aid now.
There is a good chance this team will be looking at Oline or Edge in round 1, which are also major needs. If that happens, they will likely need to roll another year with Eli or look to a FA option. I doubt it will be Bridgewater, but an option along those lines could be in play, depending on how things shake up.
That doesn’t seem to be what coaches fans and players think as far as I can tell they think Eli has had it or at least that’s the perception and perception means a lot in the NFL
I’m not saying bridgewter is garbage but he was never an elite prospect and he’s never shown elite or even very good skills at the Nfl level. That’s the guy?
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FMiC see this thread lol. He ripped me a new one in 4 diff posts when i brought it up last week
You actually suggested that we should trade Jenkins and Vernon for Bridgewater, which is such a fucking bad idea that I'm not sure why you'd even suggest it.
Not to mention that Bridgewater has never been an elite player and destroyed his knee. So basically, we'd sign a guy who is nothing better than a backup at this point as part of a "succession plan"? Doesn't make much sense. Or about as much sense as signing Josh Freeman, Alex Tanney or Geno Smith did
I thought he looked very good vs. the Giants in preseason which is all we really have to go on. He’s a mobile passer rather than a runner. Really liked him coming out of Louisvillle.
Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead.
Or not
Well, this offense doesn’t require a QB to throw more than 10 yards downfield so I guess his lack of arm strength won’t be a concern anymore lol.
I’m not saying bridgewter is garbage but he was never an elite prospect and he’s never shown elite or even very good skills at the Nfl level. That’s the guy?
Everyone's a damn expert....
When was TB an elite prospect? How about when he was a first round pick and then became NFL Rookie of Year and then became a Pro Bowl QB. I'd say that's pretty elite. I get that his leg was torn up and there's risk involved. The NFL is full of guys who have career-threatening knee/leg/shoulder/injuries and have made it back from Drew Brees to Adrian Peterson to Thomas Davis (just to name a few).
Some people seem to think that franchise-type QBs fall from the sky or just because you draft a guy that he'll automatically be successful. Bridgewater was healthy enough for Sean Peyton to take a shot on him and he's a pretty good authority on QBs. He signed with the Jets for 6 million earlier this year. If you haven't noticed the Giants are pretty hamstrung heading into next year's salary cap. If you could get Bridgewater for something similar to that it would be stupid to not roll the dice on Bridgewater. Hey, I love ELi Manning as much as the next guy but a 26 year Teddy Bridgewater has a much better chance of succeeding with this team than a 38 year Eli Manning will next year.
Yeah, lets draft some stiff QB in 2019 because that's what everyone's screaming to do. I've yet to hear another plausible strategy. We need to start drafting offense linemen and some defensive guys in 2019 not throwing darts at some questionable college QBs.
Still, you get my drift. Not saying that he is a long-term solution. Only that he could step in and have the team compete while our skill players are still in their prime and you can groom a younger guy.
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FMiC see this thread lol. He ripped me a new one in 4 diff posts when i brought it up last week
You actually suggested that we should trade Jenkins and Vernon for Bridgewater, which is such a fucking bad idea that I'm not sure why you'd even suggest it.
Not to mention that Bridgewater has never been an elite player and destroyed his knee. So basically, we'd sign a guy who is nothing better than a backup at this point as part of a "succession plan"? Doesn't make much sense. Or about as much sense as signing Josh Freeman, Alex Tanney or Geno Smith did
actually no - the OP suggested that trade. I was never on board with that. It wasnt my thread. I just said we shouldve considered TB.
Then he tries to show us he’s the expert.
Followed up by his own correction that he isn’t such a damn expert.
Love it!!!
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Everyone's a damn expert....
Then he tries to show us he’s the expert.
Followed up by his own correction that he isn’t such a damn expert.
Love it!!!
Nah - I'm no expert. Been watching the game a long time, but no expert.
Just a fan with a voice defending a position. You're the guy who knows that Bridgewater's ceiling is "6 to 7 wins a year." I won't claim to be that enlightened.
I thought he looked very good vs. the Giants in preseason which is all we really have to go on. He’s a mobile passer rather than a runner. Really liked him coming out of Louisvillle.
I’m with you on some qb stats. But tds? Tds are everything.
Find me the qb that threw a lot of tds that wasn’t any good. Name one. Ok maybe one, Scott Mitchell in Detroit once had a big Td year 20 years ago. That’s basically it.
Ints can be overstated. Qb rating can be misleading. But most qb stats can tell you something about the qb and tds tell a lot. bridgewater isn’t a big time playmaker. Never was. Even his yardage numbers are ordinary at best.
As a guy that battles the high draft pick here? Sure. Not as THE guy.
Shurmur might believe he has the smarts and the ability to lead.
Or not
Agree.