the time to trade them to a contender is now. collins all-pro season was the aberration not the norm and shep should not be re-signed at what he will command.
go get some extra picks to help fill these and the other holes.
It hurt almost as much to read that as it did to watch the game (no offense Sy).
Thinking that we're not getting much better play out of Solder/Omameh than we did Flowers/Jerry is excruciatingly painful. That's why there's no solace in knowing we're 'rebuilding' - replacing crap with crap isn't rebuilding, it's churning.
..in regards to Philly, I don't see them winning 11-12.
For a few reasons, but first and foremost, they aren't running the ball as well as last year. And, expect their 3rd down conversion rate to come back a bit from last year - although the Giants helped that.
Their schedule is extremely tough going forward..........
on TD pass. A pass route that Eagles use all the time. I thought Jenkins mentally was not in the game Thursday night.
This team must lead the league in missed tackles.
I also believed the hype of returning to running the ball. The team even brought in an amazing running back. GM talking about hog mollies and so on. This coach seems to still want to air it out though despite the fact that Eli and the passing game is not up to the task.I understand the line is weak, but Barkley does it on his own anyway, force feed him carries and see if this line has a pair and can knock someone off ball. Also, Solder sucks royally. He was paid to provide stability to the line and give Eli some confidence. He seems to whiff in protection once a game (at least)
and like the rest of the Giants he is pillow soft in the run game.
The summary at the start of the review highlights how poorly the defense really played. The punter sucks too.I hope this is rock bottom. Only consolation is getting another high pick to get a QB to pair with Barkley. I can not see this team winning many more games, especially since the media zoo and finger pointing is just starting to bubble up and it is only October
I dont know why they dont run more, especially from early in the game. It drives me crazy.
It's so easy for them to go backwards or stop the clock when they try to pass. It's the thing they are worst at... so why keep trying it?
The one thing the other team doesn't want to do is face the running game. Why play into their hands? I know I know, I'm sure it looks different down on the sideline. But as an armchair QB? Maddening.
Sorry you had to watch that again. I agree you on with selling off the pieces for picks. There is nothing on this team worth keeping except Beckham and Barkley and Maybe Engram.
I had the same thought about Solder being no better than Flowers and Jerry is probably better than Omameh.
Why not put Pulley at center? Is that not his true position?
fine trading SS, Collins, Snacks, and most everyone else for picks. This team has a lot of holes, and we're already missing our third because of the Beal pick.
but you need to turn those draft picks into something that is at least as productive as the players that you traded. Are you confident that we will do that?
Shepard is a solid slot receiver and Collins is our best tackler on a team that has tackling problems.
Want to trade Snacks? Why? This guy is the leader on defense and probably the most vocal leader on the entire team. He also is the best run stopping DL in the league. In case you forgot, before Snacks came here we were getting RUN OVER by every team we faced. It was fucking embarrassing. You could see our D-line getting pushed back into the linebackers. Running backs untouched until they had already gained two yards. The day Snacks got here that ended and we became a more difficult team to run against. I will go so far as to say that Snacks is more important to this team right now than any other player on defense and other than our QB (whoever that is next year) and Barkley... Snacks is the most important player on the team.
Great review, and very much appreciated as always!
I was particularly interested in your take on Barkley's game last Thursday. Obviously exceptionally gifted and productive, I'd been waiting to see if even more would emerge, and I think it did.
Being exceptionally talented and productive is one thing, being potentially the difference maker between a win or a loss, and a team leader is more. And I think Barkley made that transition this past week. His effort was off the charts and he started to run angry. When I heard the POP on a tackle late in the game after delivering a blow to the tackler, and saw the tackler cringe, I was ecstatic.
If not this season, some day soon, this young man will be putting this team on his shoulders and winning games.
but you need to turn those draft picks into something that is at least as productive as the players that you traded. Are you confident that we will do that?
Shepard is a solid slot receiver and Collins is our best tackler on a team that has tackling problems.
Want to trade Snacks? Why? This guy is the leader on defense and probably the most vocal leader on the entire team. He also is the best run stopping DL in the league. In case you forgot, before Snacks came here we were getting RUN OVER by every team we faced. It was fucking embarrassing. You could see our D-line getting pushed back into the linebackers. Running backs untouched until they had already gained two yards. The day Snacks got here that ended and we became a more difficult team to run against. I will go so far as to say that Snacks is more important to this team right now than any other player on defense and other than our QB (whoever that is next year) and Barkley... Snacks is the most important player on the team.
The case with Snacks is that he has knee problems that aren't getting better. Last year and now this year. He has 2 years remaining on his contract. His health isn't likely to hold up for a turnaround in 2 years. With his play at the peak of his position, his value will never be higher. I wouldn't sell for anything less than a 2nd.
but you need to turn those draft picks into something that is at least as productive as the players that you traded. Are you confident that we will do that?
Shepard is a solid slot receiver and Collins is our best tackler on a team that has tackling problems.
Want to trade Snacks? Why? This guy is the leader on defense and probably the most vocal leader on the entire team. He also is the best run stopping DL in the league. In case you forgot, before Snacks came here we were getting RUN OVER by every team we faced. It was fucking embarrassing. You could see our D-line getting pushed back into the linebackers. Running backs untouched until they had already gained two yards. The day Snacks got here that ended and we became a more difficult team to run against. I will go so far as to say that Snacks is more important to this team right now than any other player on defense and other than our QB (whoever that is next year) and Barkley... Snacks is the most important player on the team.
Trading players has to do with a timeline - you figure out when you expect the team to be competitive again, and you line up the player's contract status/age/health with that timeline.
Your younger guys - Engram, Shepard - Shepard makes sense because he's an FA in 2019. Engram's signed up until 2022 (option year of 2021). Snacks is older, and his health is a concern (knees). Jenkins has seemed off this year, and he's going to be older by the time this thing is turned around.
That's given 2-3 years to turn it around. If you can turn it around faster, all bets are off.
So much insight every week presented as straight forwardly as possible. Other film analysts covering the Giants on Twitter also mentioned Odell’s lack of separation. Didn’t realize it could be from him trying to do too much-too much dancing-and throwing off the timing between he and Eli. I’m worried about Odell too. Solder is disappointing. Guess Belichick knew what he was doing.
but you need to turn those draft picks into something that is at least as productive as the players that you traded. Are you confident that we will do that?
Shepard is a solid slot receiver and Collins is our best tackler on a team that has tackling problems.
Want to trade Snacks? Why? This guy is the leader on defense and probably the most vocal leader on the entire team. He also is the best run stopping DL in the league. In case you forgot, before Snacks came here we were getting RUN OVER by every team we faced. It was fucking embarrassing. You could see our D-line getting pushed back into the linebackers. Running backs untouched until they had already gained two yards. The day Snacks got here that ended and we became a more difficult team to run against. I will go so far as to say that Snacks is more important to this team right now than any other player on defense and other than our QB (whoever that is next year) and Barkley... Snacks is the most important player on the team.
Leader? Snacks is no leader. Listen to any of his interviews last year. He is a good player on the downside of his career. But leader? Hell no. He basically said last year that he didn't want to take on that role because he saw players not buying in. Um, what? If there is ever a time for a leader it is then not when things are all sunshine and rainbows.
but you need to turn those draft picks into something that is at least as productive as the players that you traded. Are you confident that we will do that?
Shepard is a solid slot receiver and Collins is our best tackler on a team that has tackling problems.
Want to trade Snacks? Why? This guy is the leader on defense and probably the most vocal leader on the entire team. He also is the best run stopping DL in the league. In case you forgot, before Snacks came here we were getting RUN OVER by every team we faced. It was fucking embarrassing. You could see our D-line getting pushed back into the linebackers. Running backs untouched until they had already gained two yards. The day Snacks got here that ended and we became a more difficult team to run against. I will go so far as to say that Snacks is more important to this team right now than any other player on defense and other than our QB (whoever that is next year) and Barkley... Snacks is the most important player on the team.
Leader? Snacks is no leader. Listen to any of his interviews last year. He is a good player on the downside of his career. But leader? Hell no. He basically said last year that he didn't want to take on that role because he saw players not buying in. Um, what? If there is ever a time for a leader it is then not when things are all sunshine and rainbows.
Snacks is far from a leader. If anything they need a veteran with a vocal presence
Wow, IF they trade Shepard that will be some final statement on Reese. Â
As we all know, and it hurts to type this, he drafted Shepard ahead of Michael Thomas...all because they believed they needed a "slot receiver" as they were going to move Cruz outside.
Thomas opposite OBJ, with Engram running the seam, and Barkley...still no Oline, but hey one can dream.
Curious - Why did they immediately pencil Omameh at RG Â
1) Snacks may be about the best NT in football, but he is not a leader. IF anything, he is apathetic. That said, we will have wasted his best years with shitty teams.
2) If we had gotten even slightly above average play from Solder and Omameh, how different would things be?
RE: Curious - Why did they immediately pencil Omameh at RG Â
"The score was 34-13 towards the beginning of the 4th quarter and the look on everyone’s faces said it all. This season is over just 6 weeks in. The offense is broken on all levels. There is no leadership or accountability in the organization. There is no identity on either side of the ball. And lastly, one of the most storied franchises in the NFL is now in some of the darkest times of its history."
"-It’s been 6 weeks since Nate Solder has taken over the starting left tackle job and it is fair to say he has been one of the more eye opening disappointments of the season."
"-Patrick Omameh took a big step back and I am seeing more and more similarities between him and John Jerry when it comes to the inconsistency."
" I am all about going into the draft with a surplus of selections, as it is the best way to build a long-term winner. Two names I would be throwing out there? Landon Collins and Sterling Shepard. Two popular names, but two players who I think can be replaced quickly and net the Giants an extra day 2 pick."
Is this team, with all the changes, better than last year? DG spent a lot of cap....Reese did it in 2016 with immediate results.....DG did it and this is what we get?
Of course, Reese struck gold, because the guys he paid each had a solid year.....DG? Solder, Omameh, Stewart, Martin, Ogletree, Latimer, Barwin, Edwards, Armstrong, Mauro?
Is this a better team with the players DG brought in?
As for the draft, he had the #2 pick.....Barkley was a no brainer, as long as the other 4 qb's don't pan out.....
But what about the rest? Will Hernandez be a solid pick or and another Pugh, Richburg, Flowers? Only time will tell....The rest of the draft picks have shown nothing.....
Is DG the man to lead this organization out of the darkness?
Does the development of Darnold and decline of Manning keep hammering home the mistake the Giants made in not drafting a quarterback?
"Just look at Thursday night, when Barkley was the best player on the field. He had 130 yards rushing and 99 yards receiving. What kind of outcome did it have on the game? The Giants lost by 21. If a quarterback is the best player on the field, you don’t lose by 21.
Does the development of Darnold and decline of Manning keep hammering home the mistake the Giants made in not drafting a quarterback?
"Just look at Thursday night, when Barkley was the best player on the field. He had 130 yards rushing and 99 yards receiving. What kind of outcome did it have on the game? The Giants lost by 21. If a quarterback is the best player on the field, you don’t lose by 21.
He's not wrong. Except his reasoning is flawed. Darnold isn't near as good as he thinks he is.
when he played his best football at LG? Was Hernandez strictly a LG in college?
Hernandez is athletic and moves well, thus a pulling LG seems a good spot. Omameh seemed a strong, better at run block than pass (although he's been sucking ass at both), so RG seems like a good spot.
that a Top QB is worth WAY more than a top RB. However, my biggest fear was that with OBJ healthy, and the addition of Barkley, we would end up in 7-9 to 9-7 - welcome to QB hell!
If they end up with a top 5 pick, and they can get one of the top 2 QBs in the next draft, may very well work out nicely.
I've always loved Eli, but it's obvious his current play is dragging the whole team down.
The debate resides in who will be the next NYG QB? What if he is just as good, if not better than Rosen/Allen/Darnold?
Now you have someone better than those 3 at QB AND arguably the top RB in football. There is nothing to be confused about there.
I don't know your opinion on Herbert, but I think Herbert is a better prospect coming out than Darnold, Rosen and Allen. Mayfield is probably the better QB prospect, but I'd be more comfortable taking Herbert if I was picking at the top of the draft.
about beckham is concerning.. why is he dancing around so much before getting into his route? why is he failing to get separation? sy, any thoughts on this? still knocking the rust off after missing most of last season? doesn't seem like that should be the case but i have no idea..
Probably too much time with Drake/Lil Wayne and not enough time with Eli. Did OBJ show up to Eli's Duke Passing Session this year? Last year, he was getting his teeth whitened.
the Giants FO seems to have misjudged the situation. Obviously jury is still out, but the young QBs look good so far, and Eli does not. They didn't think any of the highly ranked QBs were franchise guys, and thought Eli could still play at a high level.
Should we have confidence they will get the right QB in the next draft?
the Giants FO seems to have misjudged the situation. Obviously jury is still out, but the young QBs look good so far, and Eli does not. They didn't think any of the highly ranked QBs were franchise guys, and thought Eli could still play at a high level.
Should we have confidence they will get the right QB in the next draft?
The bigger concern is can they put an OL in front of these guys.
There is no argument
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when it comes to QB vs RB value
The debate resides in who will be the next NYG QB? What if he is just as good, if not better than Rosen/Allen/Darnold?
Now you have someone better than those 3 at QB AND arguably the top RB in football. There is nothing to be confused about there.
What if that QB is not available(call me crazy, we win a few games), or is a bust, you still have Barkley, no OL, and no QB.....
Thats always the risk with any QB you take. That is why the debate isn't really worth entertaining at this moment in time
I’m surprised at how many people are ready to call any qb in this current class a “franchise qb”. This was only a couple of years ago and now both teams are likely going to consider their options sooner rather than later. Link - ( New Window )
The idea of moving Collins and or Shepard is one that
should be made .
Shepard would thrive in NE they always have a bevy of picks
Collins as well who would like be interested in either
or both !
go get some extra picks to help fill these and the other holes.
Thinking that we're not getting much better play out of Solder/Omameh than we did Flowers/Jerry is excruciatingly painful. That's why there's no solace in knowing we're 'rebuilding' - replacing crap with crap isn't rebuilding, it's churning.
For a few reasons, but first and foremost, they aren't running the ball as well as last year. And, expect their 3rd down conversion rate to come back a bit from last year - although the Giants helped that.
Their schedule is extremely tough going forward..........
I am wondering if he'd simply be better at LB..........
This team must lead the league in missed tackles.
and like the rest of the Giants he is pillow soft in the run game.
The summary at the start of the review highlights how poorly the defense really played. The punter sucks too.I hope this is rock bottom. Only consolation is getting another high pick to get a QB to pair with Barkley. I can not see this team winning many more games, especially since the media zoo and finger pointing is just starting to bubble up and it is only October
It's so easy for them to go backwards or stop the clock when they try to pass. It's the thing they are worst at... so why keep trying it?
The one thing the other team doesn't want to do is face the running game. Why play into their hands? I know I know, I'm sure it looks different down on the sideline. But as an armchair QB? Maddening.
Shurmur needs to get a grip and start adjusting.............
I had the same thought about Solder being no better than Flowers and Jerry is probably better than Omameh.
Why not put Pulley at center? Is that not his true position?
Snacks to Colts for a 2nd
Collins to Saints for a 2nd
Jenkins to Buccaneers for a 3rd
Sterling Shepard to Browns for 3rd.
Just spit balling.
Shepard is a solid slot receiver and Collins is our best tackler on a team that has tackling problems.
Want to trade Snacks? Why? This guy is the leader on defense and probably the most vocal leader on the entire team. He also is the best run stopping DL in the league. In case you forgot, before Snacks came here we were getting RUN OVER by every team we faced. It was fucking embarrassing. You could see our D-line getting pushed back into the linebackers. Running backs untouched until they had already gained two yards. The day Snacks got here that ended and we became a more difficult team to run against. I will go so far as to say that Snacks is more important to this team right now than any other player on defense and other than our QB (whoever that is next year) and Barkley... Snacks is the most important player on the team.
I was particularly interested in your take on Barkley's game last Thursday. Obviously exceptionally gifted and productive, I'd been waiting to see if even more would emerge, and I think it did.
Being exceptionally talented and productive is one thing, being potentially the difference maker between a win or a loss, and a team leader is more. And I think Barkley made that transition this past week. His effort was off the charts and he started to run angry. When I heard the POP on a tackle late in the game after delivering a blow to the tackler, and saw the tackler cringe, I was ecstatic.
If not this season, some day soon, this young man will be putting this team on his shoulders and winning games.
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collins engram jenkins and snacks. I'd see what I can get for all those guys.
Snacks to Colts for a 2nd
Collins to Saints for a 2nd
Jenkins to Buccaneers for a 3rd
Sterling Shepard to Browns for 3rd.
Just spit balling.
The Vikes just lost their corner with a knee for the season. Jenkins should fetch at least a 2nd.
Shepard is a solid slot receiver and Collins is our best tackler on a team that has tackling problems.
Want to trade Snacks? Why? This guy is the leader on defense and probably the most vocal leader on the entire team. He also is the best run stopping DL in the league. In case you forgot, before Snacks came here we were getting RUN OVER by every team we faced. It was fucking embarrassing. You could see our D-line getting pushed back into the linebackers. Running backs untouched until they had already gained two yards. The day Snacks got here that ended and we became a more difficult team to run against. I will go so far as to say that Snacks is more important to this team right now than any other player on defense and other than our QB (whoever that is next year) and Barkley... Snacks is the most important player on the team.
The case with Snacks is that he has knee problems that aren't getting better. Last year and now this year. He has 2 years remaining on his contract. His health isn't likely to hold up for a turnaround in 2 years. With his play at the peak of his position, his value will never be higher. I wouldn't sell for anything less than a 2nd.
Shepard is a solid slot receiver and Collins is our best tackler on a team that has tackling problems.
Want to trade Snacks? Why? This guy is the leader on defense and probably the most vocal leader on the entire team. He also is the best run stopping DL in the league. In case you forgot, before Snacks came here we were getting RUN OVER by every team we faced. It was fucking embarrassing. You could see our D-line getting pushed back into the linebackers. Running backs untouched until they had already gained two yards. The day Snacks got here that ended and we became a more difficult team to run against. I will go so far as to say that Snacks is more important to this team right now than any other player on defense and other than our QB (whoever that is next year) and Barkley... Snacks is the most important player on the team.
Trading players has to do with a timeline - you figure out when you expect the team to be competitive again, and you line up the player's contract status/age/health with that timeline.
Your younger guys - Engram, Shepard - Shepard makes sense because he's an FA in 2019. Engram's signed up until 2022 (option year of 2021). Snacks is older, and his health is a concern (knees). Jenkins has seemed off this year, and he's going to be older by the time this thing is turned around.
That's given 2-3 years to turn it around. If you can turn it around faster, all bets are off.
Shepard is a solid slot receiver and Collins is our best tackler on a team that has tackling problems.
Want to trade Snacks? Why? This guy is the leader on defense and probably the most vocal leader on the entire team. He also is the best run stopping DL in the league. In case you forgot, before Snacks came here we were getting RUN OVER by every team we faced. It was fucking embarrassing. You could see our D-line getting pushed back into the linebackers. Running backs untouched until they had already gained two yards. The day Snacks got here that ended and we became a more difficult team to run against. I will go so far as to say that Snacks is more important to this team right now than any other player on defense and other than our QB (whoever that is next year) and Barkley... Snacks is the most important player on the team.
Leader? Snacks is no leader. Listen to any of his interviews last year. He is a good player on the downside of his career. But leader? Hell no. He basically said last year that he didn't want to take on that role because he saw players not buying in. Um, what? If there is ever a time for a leader it is then not when things are all sunshine and rainbows.
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but you need to turn those draft picks into something that is at least as productive as the players that you traded. Are you confident that we will do that?
Shepard is a solid slot receiver and Collins is our best tackler on a team that has tackling problems.
Want to trade Snacks? Why? This guy is the leader on defense and probably the most vocal leader on the entire team. He also is the best run stopping DL in the league. In case you forgot, before Snacks came here we were getting RUN OVER by every team we faced. It was fucking embarrassing. You could see our D-line getting pushed back into the linebackers. Running backs untouched until they had already gained two yards. The day Snacks got here that ended and we became a more difficult team to run against. I will go so far as to say that Snacks is more important to this team right now than any other player on defense and other than our QB (whoever that is next year) and Barkley... Snacks is the most important player on the team.
Leader? Snacks is no leader. Listen to any of his interviews last year. He is a good player on the downside of his career. But leader? Hell no. He basically said last year that he didn't want to take on that role because he saw players not buying in. Um, what? If there is ever a time for a leader it is then not when things are all sunshine and rainbows.
Snacks is far from a leader. If anything they need a veteran with a vocal presence
Thomas opposite OBJ, with Engram running the seam, and Barkley...still no Oline, but hey one can dream.
2) If we had gotten even slightly above average play from Solder and Omameh, how different would things be?
Yes. Hernandez has only played LG. 49 continuous starts. Omameh while his best play was at LG has played both sides through his career.
"-It’s been 6 weeks since Nate Solder has taken over the starting left tackle job and it is fair to say he has been one of the more eye opening disappointments of the season."
"-Patrick Omameh took a big step back and I am seeing more and more similarities between him and John Jerry when it comes to the inconsistency."
" I am all about going into the draft with a surplus of selections, as it is the best way to build a long-term winner. Two names I would be throwing out there? Landon Collins and Sterling Shepard. Two popular names, but two players who I think can be replaced quickly and net the Giants an extra day 2 pick."
Is this team, with all the changes, better than last year? DG spent a lot of cap....Reese did it in 2016 with immediate results.....DG did it and this is what we get?
Of course, Reese struck gold, because the guys he paid each had a solid year.....DG? Solder, Omameh, Stewart, Martin, Ogletree, Latimer, Barwin, Edwards, Armstrong, Mauro?
Is this a better team with the players DG brought in?
As for the draft, he had the #2 pick.....Barkley was a no brainer, as long as the other 4 qb's don't pan out.....
But what about the rest? Will Hernandez be a solid pick or and another Pugh, Richburg, Flowers? Only time will tell....The rest of the draft picks have shown nothing.....
Is DG the man to lead this organization out of the darkness?
"Just look at Thursday night, when Barkley was the best player on the field. He had 130 yards rushing and 99 yards receiving. What kind of outcome did it have on the game? The Giants lost by 21. If a quarterback is the best player on the field, you don’t lose by 21.
"Just look at Thursday night, when Barkley was the best player on the field. He had 130 yards rushing and 99 yards receiving. What kind of outcome did it have on the game? The Giants lost by 21. If a quarterback is the best player on the field, you don’t lose by 21.
He's not wrong. Except his reasoning is flawed. Darnold isn't near as good as he thinks he is.
Hernandez is athletic and moves well, thus a pulling LG seems a good spot. Omameh seemed a strong, better at run block than pass (although he's been sucking ass at both), so RG seems like a good spot.
If they end up with a top 5 pick, and they can get one of the top 2 QBs in the next draft, may very well work out nicely.
I've always loved Eli, but it's obvious his current play is dragging the whole team down.
The debate resides in who will be the next NYG QB? What if he is just as good, if not better than Rosen/Allen/Darnold?
Now you have someone better than those 3 at QB AND arguably the top RB in football. There is nothing to be confused about there.
The debate resides in who will be the next NYG QB? What if he is just as good, if not better than Rosen/Allen/Darnold?
Now you have someone better than those 3 at QB AND arguably the top RB in football. There is nothing to be confused about there.
I don't know your opinion on Herbert, but I think Herbert is a better prospect coming out than Darnold, Rosen and Allen. Mayfield is probably the better QB prospect, but I'd be more comfortable taking Herbert if I was picking at the top of the draft.
Should we have confidence they will get the right QB in the next draft?
Should we have confidence they will get the right QB in the next draft?
The bigger concern is can they put an OL in front of these guys.
Sy'56 : 2:50 pm : link : reply
when it comes to QB vs RB value
The debate resides in who will be the next NYG QB? What if he is just as good, if not better than Rosen/Allen/Darnold?
Now you have someone better than those 3 at QB AND arguably the top RB in football. There is nothing to be confused about there.
What if that QB is not available(call me crazy, we win a few games), or is a bust, you still have Barkley, no OL, and no QB.....
Sy'56 : 2:50 pm : link : reply
when it comes to QB vs RB value
The debate resides in who will be the next NYG QB? What if he is just as good, if not better than Rosen/Allen/Darnold?
Now you have someone better than those 3 at QB AND arguably the top RB in football. There is nothing to be confused about there.
What if that QB is not available(call me crazy, we win a few games), or is a bust, you still have Barkley, no OL, and no QB.....
Thats always the risk with any QB you take. That is why the debate isn't really worth entertaining at this moment in time
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There is no argument
Sy'56 : 2:50 pm : link : reply
when it comes to QB vs RB value
The debate resides in who will be the next NYG QB? What if he is just as good, if not better than Rosen/Allen/Darnold?
Now you have someone better than those 3 at QB AND arguably the top RB in football. There is nothing to be confused about there.
What if that QB is not available(call me crazy, we win a few games), or is a bust, you still have Barkley, no OL, and no QB.....
Thats always the risk with any QB you take. That is why the debate isn't really worth entertaining at this moment in time
I’m surprised at how many people are ready to call any qb in this current class a “franchise qb”. This was only a couple of years ago and now both teams are likely going to consider their options sooner rather than later.
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should be made .
Shepard would thrive in NE they always have a bevy of picks
Collins as well who would like be interested in either
or both !