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Patriots last night: Not one punt or penalty

BigBlue4You09 : 10/15/2018 4:52 pm
Just saw this, incredible...

“Patriots set an NFL record tonight, becoming the first team in the Super Bowl era to not punt or commit a penalty in an entire game”
Yup  
lugnut : 10/15/2018 4:56 pm : link
Just when you start to think some cracks are beginning to show, they go and do what they did last night.
And only won by 3 at Gillette.  
bw in dc : 10/15/2018 4:58 pm : link
What does that say about their D?
Given BB's history  
figgy2989 : 10/15/2018 4:58 pm : link
The no punt stat I can see with the always going for it on 4th down, but the no penalty stat is pretty impressive. Especially in today's NFL where they throw the flag on everything.
RE: Given BB's history  
FStubbs : 10/15/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14130064 figgy2989 said:
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The no punt stat I can see with the always going for it on 4th down, but the no penalty stat is pretty impressive. Especially in today's NFL where they throw the flag on everything.


Boston refs. Not that impressive.
RE: RE: Given BB's history  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/15/2018 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14130083 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14130064 figgy2989 said:


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The no punt stat I can see with the always going for it on 4th down, but the no penalty stat is pretty impressive. Especially in today's NFL where they throw the flag on everything.



Boston refs. Not that impressive.


Oh STFU.
I thought their Oline  
rasbutant : 10/15/2018 5:19 pm : link
was going to be terrible this year and it would come crashing down. But nope.
RE: I thought their Oline  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/15/2018 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14130101 rasbutant said:
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was going to be terrible this year and it would come crashing down. But nope.


Almost everything the Patriots touch turns to gold somehow. That’s a testament to their management and coaching staff. No matter who they lose (players or coaches) they are always replaced with as good or better ones. They are a machine, it’s incredible.
As much as other NFL fans are loathe to admit it...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/15/2018 5:45 pm : link
you cannot deny the results. Somehow, even with the changes to the CBA, NE gets their teams to execute successfully. I don't know what they're doing there, but it works.

New coaches seem to say the same things. They talk about becoming physical and winning battles. Guess what? The first battle is within. Mental errors. Fix the man inside before you start thinking about beating the man across from you.

I have hoped for the next CBA to return to more practice time. I'm hoping that our team can finally get to the regular season executing like the '90 Giants.

But NE is forcing me to admit that the problem lies in the culture of the team somehow, and not in the CBA. I'm stuck making excuses for consistent inconsistency and the lack of improvement.
Edelman and Brady have never lost a home game ...  
kinard : 10/15/2018 5:48 pm : link
... in the 37 games they have played together against AFC foes. That's a remarkable stat.
RE: As much as other NFL fans are loathe to admit it...  
bw in dc : 10/15/2018 6:07 pm : link
In comment 14130132 Dan in the Springs said:
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you cannot deny the results. Somehow, even with the changes to the CBA, NE gets their teams to execute successfully. I don't know what they're doing there, but it works.

New coaches seem to say the same things. They talk about becoming physical and winning battles. Guess what? The first battle is within. Mental errors. Fix the man inside before you start thinking about beating the man across from you.

I have hoped for the next CBA to return to more practice time. I'm hoping that our team can finally get to the regular season executing like the '90 Giants.

But NE is forcing me to admit that the problem lies in the culture of the team somehow, and not in the CBA. I'm stuck making excuses for consistent inconsistency and the lack of improvement.


Good commentary. But here's my piece. While every organization should replicate what they do (same with the Spurs) having two of the greatest minds in football history is an enormous advantage.

Belichick gets the team prepared - with game planning, coaching and roster assembly - and Brady is just from another planet with his ability execute.

Said differently, we are witnessing something I believe we will never see again as long as we have this asinine economic model called the cap.
Francessa just said  
BlueHurricane : 10/15/2018 6:17 pm : link
That the two QB's have been sacked fewer times than any other QB in the league. Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm...
RE: Francessa just said  
Jarvis : 10/15/2018 6:34 pm : link
In comment 14130165 BlueHurricane said:
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That the two QB's have been sacked fewer times than any other QB in the league. Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm...



Sacks have to do with the QB as well as the line.

For example, in 2004 Kurt Warner was sacked 39 times in 9 games with the Giants. Eli Manning came in for 7 games and was sacked only 13 times. Sack percentage went from 12.3 to 6.2. so it wasn't just because the Giants ran more.


2004 Giants Stats - ( New Window )
The Refs and the league love  
prdave73 : 10/15/2018 7:56 pm : link
the Patriots. That’s just a known fact. Only team I know that gets away with murder on a consistent basis. It is what it is..
Penalties  
FJ : 10/15/2018 8:57 pm : link
There was at least one set of offsetting penalties and the Chiefs declined one or two penalties. So the Patriots did commit a few penalties but they were not marked off.
RE: The Refs and the league love  
speedywheels : 10/15/2018 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14130295 prdave73 said:
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the Patriots. That’s just a known fact. Only team I know that gets away with murder on a consistent basis. It is what it is..


Yes, the league just LOVES them. Especially after deflate-gate and all that ensued...

(Rolls eyes)
RE: Edelman and Brady have never lost a home game ...  
BestFeature : 10/15/2018 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14130137 kinard said:
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... in the 37 games they have played together against AFC foes. That's a remarkable stat.


That's a very specific and pretty arbitrary stat. What does the teams being in the AFC have to do with the win/loss record? That stat is added there to make the record more impressive and not because it's relevant.
RE: RE: Given BB's history  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2018 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14130083 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14130064 figgy2989 said:


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The no punt stat I can see with the always going for it on 4th down, but the no penalty stat is pretty impressive. Especially in today's NFL where they throw the flag on everything.



Boston refs. Not that impressive.


You do realize the refs are not from Boston, right? The league assigns refs and there is no one on the entire crew that did that game who is from Boston.

Fwiw  
Jerry in DC : 10/15/2018 9:34 pm : link
The patriots have been deep into analytics, technology, data, and innovation for a long time. My company had a meeting with them back in 2004 or 2005 that I attended. The stuff they were talking about was very impressive. Like really blow your mind impressive just to get tiny advantages. And that was a long time ago.
RE: Fwiw  
Go Terps : 10/15/2018 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14130434 Jerry in DC said:
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The patriots have been deep into analytics, technology, data, and innovation for a long time. My company had a meeting with them back in 2004 or 2005 that I attended. The stuff they were talking about was very impressive. Like really blow your mind impressive just to get tiny advantages. And that was a long time ago.


When you talk about the Pats in relation to other teams a lot of people roll their eyes and say "we can't do what they can because they have Belichick and Brady." I never bought that. We should be studying them and learning from the standard they're setting.
Agree 100 percent  
Jerry in DC : 10/15/2018 9:48 pm : link
There is a certain amount of talent inherent in sports but there is so much you can do outside of talent. Anybody can become a better manager and leader. Anybody can become more innovative, can learn from lots sources, set up better structures for the team. You can set up better ways for your team to learn. You can maximize the value of all the complex data that exists, particularly film.

It seems that the patriots do a great job of all this and more. They do everything they can to get tons of tiny advantages. Over time, those advantages add up. No different than any other well run business, res
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RE: RE: Fwiw  
bw in dc : 10/15/2018 10:13 pm : link
In comment 14130444 Go Terps said:
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When you talk about the Pats in relation to other teams a lot of people roll their eyes and say "we can't do what they can because they have Belichick and Brady." I never bought that. We should be studying them and learning from the standard they're setting.


I think they are certainly worth studying and try to mimic. But it is an incredible luxury having an offensive player who has executed at such a high level for almost twenty years. And with Brady’s willingness to sacrifice much deserved cap space for the good of the team. Hard to write a program for that...

Where else have you had that in team sports? Maybe Tim Duncan? Maybe Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

The stuff that  
Jerry in DC : 10/15/2018 10:20 pm : link
Could be done with film these days using automation and analytics is limitless. There are so many discrete actions made by each player that a human observer probably can't process all of them even for a single play. Think each step, weight distribution, hand/arm placement. With automation you can capture that info for all plays, pro and college. And with smart people using that data, you can generate all kinds of valuable information. Prioritizing lessons for your own players, finding undervalued players who consistently do one correctable thing wrong...there are so many possibilities...and this is from one guy brainstorming for a few minutes
RE: The Refs and the league love  
bw in dc : 10/15/2018 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14130295 prdave73 said:
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the Patriots. That’s just a known fact. Only team I know that gets away with murder on a consistent basis. It is what it is..


Are you sure about that? Did you see the SB versus the Eagles? Tell me why the league changed the definition of a catch on the Ertz and Clement TDs? All year long those plays were not ruled a catch. So how did the league help the Pats there?

And they were crushed on Spygate and Deflateate. I'm all ears how the league "helped" the Pats in those situations...
RE: RE: The Refs and the league love  
gmenatlarge : 10/16/2018 12:19 am : link
In comment 14130501 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14130295 prdave73 said:


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the Patriots. That’s just a known fact. Only team I know that gets away with murder on a consistent basis. It is what it is..



Are you sure about that? Did you see the SB versus the Eagles? Tell me why the league changed the definition of a catch on the Ertz and Clement TDs? All year long those plays were not ruled a catch. So how did the league help the Pats there?

And they were crushed on Spygate and Deflateate. I'm all ears how the league "helped" the Pats in those situations...


A bunch of conspiracy theory nonsense. You don’t have to like BB and Brady but you gotta respect greatness when you see it.
RE: Francessa just said  
GeofromNJ : 10/16/2018 8:22 am : link
In comment 14130165 BlueHurricane said:
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That the two QB's have been sacked fewer times than any other QB in the league. Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm...

Which two quarterbacks is Francesa referring to?
It's all culture  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/16/2018 9:26 am : link
Kraft admired and emulated Wellington's Giants, heck he keeps hiring our coaches. Ironic compared to our dysfunctional org. They don't have any OBJs or Sheppard on their team doing interviews with someone called Little Wayne on bspn. Occasionally takes on a lone project like Gordon, Ocho Cinco, or Moss, but they are well contained.
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