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bradshaw44 : 10/15/2018 5:09 pm
Can't transcribe, but I can give a quick reaction to one question.

Mike asked if it was fair to say he's not looking to throw the ball down field and checking down too quickly. Eli sounded flummoxed. Almost like he realized he is checking down too quick. Either that, or he didn't want to throw someone like the coach under the bus. But he didn't sound confident and he was careful on his answer.
I wish Eli  
GeneInCal : 10/15/2018 5:11 pm : link
would start throwing some of these chumps under the bus, we might actually get some answers for this shit-show.
I don't think he can throw the coach under the bus  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/15/2018 5:11 pm : link
Shurmur has basically already said it's on Eli to take the long shots and not check down.
Oh boy...  
Jerry in DC : 10/15/2018 5:13 pm : link
Nobody deserves to get grilled for getting old. Hopefully he will retire at the end of the year.
Fast Feet  
LeftHook : 10/15/2018 5:14 pm : link
Seriously, lol
Funny how different people  
joeinpa : 10/15/2018 5:20 pm : link
Perceived things differently. I thought he sounded guarded but hardly confused.

Mike asked some tough questions. Good interview.
RE: I wish Eli  
Josh in the City : 10/15/2018 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14130087 GeneInCal said:
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would start throwing some of these chumps under the bus, we might actually get some answers for this shit-show.


Huh?
Eli's greatest weaknesses are what teams are exploiting  
MagicManning : 10/15/2018 6:10 pm : link
Think of Eli's whole career. He is very much the same player that he has always been in many regards. Arm strength is good but not great, accuracy good but not great (comes and goes). Pocket QB with limited athleticsm and can read and diagnose any defense but also has questionable decision making at times under pressure.

There is to much skill position talent on this team to not be able to beat simple zone cover defenses when you know thats what is going to come. Teams are basically not respecting the fact that the ball may go over there heads because Eli will not let it rip. Whether its because he can't anymore or doesn't trust his protection doesn't really matter to me. He needs to make something happen and Im not putting it all on him but you shouldn't watch the game tape after and say yeah I missed somebody there and there and there. I see a QB who is very worried about the rush and reads the D pre snap and then picks his shot and gets the ball out as quick as possible. No manipulation of the D with his eyes and no anticipation to throw somebody open to a big play.
Agreed  
rocco8112 : 10/15/2018 6:12 pm : link
That was a good interview with good questions. I have heard a lot of these over the years and that one sounded a little different.

Two things Eli said of interest to me. One, when asked what is wrong, Eli stated that the offense has to stop going backwards. To me this means errors, penalties and rushes for loss. The Giants must lead the NFL in this category and it did not start this year. Most teams a bad run is stopped for no gain, one, one and a half yards. To the Giants a bad run, and there are many, is like a sack. The team loses closer to five yards than no gain. This destroys drives and destroys the coach's incentive to run more. The Giants
are almost always in third and long.

Second, when pressed on if he thinks he doesn't have the balls to stand in there and go long. Eli restated the stat Francesa mentioned which was he had been sacked twenty times. Eli alluding to the fact that the absurd number of sacks would be higher if he was not trying to get the ball out.

I also agree that if this is Eli's last hurrah, he should do a 180 on his demeanor and start calling out his teammates when they mess up, especially those who are malcontents in the locker room. I do not know if that would help the Giants win, but I would love to see it.


This..  
JCin332 : 10/15/2018 6:24 pm : link
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Second, when pressed on if he thinks he doesn't have the balls to stand in there and go long. Eli restated the stat Francesa mentioned which was he had been sacked twenty times. Eli alluding to the fact that the absurd number of sacks would be higher if he was not trying to get the ball out


It has been discussed at nauseam but since teams can generate pressure by rushing 4 they have 7 in coverage...
Dumb question by the Pope...  
bw in dc : 10/15/2018 6:27 pm : link
because we know the answer per Shurmur last week on the sidelines:

"Throw the ball!"

I'm sure you confirmed this with  
JCin332 : 10/15/2018 6:50 pm : link
your close contacts at Jints Central...
RE: Agreed  
bradshaw44 : 10/15/2018 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14130162 rocco8112 said:
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That was a good interview with good questions. I have heard a lot of these over the years and that one sounded a little different.

Two things Eli said of interest to me. One, when asked what is wrong, Eli stated that the offense has to stop going backwards. To me this means errors, penalties and rushes for loss. The Giants must lead the NFL in this category and it did not start this year. Most teams a bad run is stopped for no gain, one, one and a half yards. To the Giants a bad run, and there are many, is like a sack. The team loses closer to five yards than no gain. This destroys drives and destroys the coach's incentive to run more. The Giants
are almost always in third and long.

Second, when pressed on if he thinks he doesn't have the balls to stand in there and go long. Eli restated the stat Francesa mentioned which was he had been sacked twenty times. Eli alluding to the fact that the absurd number of sacks would be higher if he was not trying to get the ball out.

I also agree that if this is Eli's last hurrah, he should do a 180 on his demeanor and start calling out his teammates when they mess up, especially those who are malcontents in the locker room. I do not know if that would help the Giants win, but I would love to see it.



I agree there was a very different feel to this interview. He pressed Eli but he wasn’t a dick about it.
Any questions about TOBJ?  
trueblueinpw : 10/15/2018 7:26 pm : link
I know Eli would never admit it but he must be annoyed by the locker room whispering campaign against him. Any questions about losing the locker room confidence or being thrown under the bus the 90 million dollar diva?
RE: Eli's greatest weaknesses are what teams are exploiting  
Rafflee : 10/15/2018 7:29 pm : link
3 things... First of all, He's being the great teammate he's always been.... he's not going to tell everyone that He's under too much of a pass rush. Second Thing... youy're fantasizing about TOO MUCH SKILL POSITION TALENT". Shep is A GUY... decent 2.5-3---that's IT!!!...and the Team doesn;t have time for an intermediate of deep route. Also--- Offensive linemen are Skill Position guys---aqnd Their guys SUCK!!! 3rd---Eli is reacting to the pressure that he keeps seeing...and He's playing poorly

Get some reality!!!!...it's Free

In comment 14130160 MagicManning said:
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There is to much skill position talent on this team to not be able to beat simple zone cover defenses when you know thats what is going to come. Teams are basically not respecting the fact that the ball may go over there heads because Eli will not let it rip. Whether its because he can't anymore or doesn't trust his protection doesn't really matter to me.
RE: Any questions about TOBJ?  
chopperhatch : 10/15/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14130245 trueblueinpw said:
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I know Eli would never admit it but he must be annoyed by the locker room whispering campaign against him. Any questions about losing the locker room confidence or being thrown under the bus the 90 million dollar diva?



You're calling the guy a diva, but he is getting open and busting his ass on every single play and by the time he looks back, the ball is already being dumped off to a tailback. How would you feel if you are one of the best receivers in the league, run 30-40 yard sprints all game and you can't get the ball at a place where you can do anything with it?

I honestly don't blame Odell for being frustrated. I think he can go about it differently, but it's gotta be infuriating.
That a rough listen.  
St. Jimmy : 10/15/2018 7:42 pm : link
I felt sorry for Eli during it. Unfortunately, Mike has to ask those questions.
Odell isn’t getting separation  
BBelle21 : 10/15/2018 7:45 pm : link
And the timing is off. This thanks to Sy’s game review. Eli isn’t playing well, but Odell should try looking in the mirror. So should all of these players who have the audacity and delusion to point that mirror at Eli rather than themselves. If this is true, then they are cowards.
“Not getting separation”  
hitdog42 : 10/15/2018 7:49 pm : link
Just not true
Double and tripled... sure - separation- just because one posted wrote about it on a small sample of one game— you state as fact to fit an agenda lol
Nothing different..listened to it  
micky : 10/15/2018 7:55 pm : link
Eli same script answers etc..nothing different than all his interviews
true to form  
youngd74 : 10/15/2018 7:56 pm : link
class act as always!
He's a class act & is doing all he can, but it's over.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/15/2018 8:08 pm : link
It's time to move on.
hitdog42  
BBelle21 : 10/15/2018 9:02 pm : link
Lol. Sorry, but I’m more likely to trust Sy’s assessment than yours.
RE: hitdog42  
chopperhatch : 10/15/2018 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14130389 BBelle21 said:
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Lol. Sorry, but I’m more likely to trust Sy’s assessment than yours.


Lol.....ugggghhhhhhhhhh.
chopperhatch  
BBelle21 : 10/15/2018 9:09 pm : link
Is there a problem?
RE: Odell isn’t getting separation  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/15/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14130280 BBelle21 said:
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And the timing is off. This thanks to Sy’s game review. Eli isn’t playing well, but Odell should try looking in the mirror. So should all of these players who have the audacity and delusion to point that mirror at Eli rather than themselves. If this is true, then they are cowards.


He went out in public and said what he said, and doubled down on it? That's the opposite of coward.
RE: hitdog42  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/15/2018 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14130389 BBelle21 said:
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Lol. Sorry, but I’m more likely to trust Sy’s assessment than yours.


You can respect Sy's work and also acknowledge that he's seen it wrong before and will again in the future. He knows what he's talking about more than most here. He's certainly not infallible and he'd be the first to admit it.
"There is to much skill position talent on this team . . "  
HomerJones45 : 10/15/2018 9:30 pm : link
Examine your assumption. The Chiefs last night could put Hunt, Kelce, Hill, Watkins and Conley all out on the field at the same time. The Pats could put Edelman, Hogan, Gronk, White, and Gordon out there. The Vikings can put Thelien, Diggs, Rudolph, Cook and Treadwell (former #1 pick) out there. Ravens have Crabtree, Brown, Snead, Allen and any one of 3 different tight ends. The Steelers have Brown, Shuster, MacDonald, Connor.

The point is good passing games are putting multiple fast/quick targets out there and have TE who are receiving threats. Speed kills and we don't have enough.
Right now, we are running ODB and Barkley out there. Shepard (not fast or quick), Ellison (slug) and vet stiffs like Sheppard or Latimer cause no problems for a DC. They can be single covered with impunity and half the time can't get open with that.
TTH  
BBelle21 : 10/15/2018 9:33 pm : link
Doubling down on divisive words and actions is not bravery. It’s something else entirely and it’s a shame,
Not sure how someone is wrong  
BBelle21 : 10/15/2018 9:34 pm : link
When they say they are literally not seeing separation on film. Others have said it as well. Not only Sy
Here's the link. I haven't listened to it yet  
Ira : 10/15/2018 10:04 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
RE: I don't think he can throw the coach under the bus  
Eman11 : 10/15/2018 10:41 pm : link
In comment 14130088 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Shurmur has basically already said it's on Eli to take the long shots and not check down.


ESPN has a stat they call Pass Block Win Rate (PBWR) and the Giants was only 5% in the Eagle game. The lowest number by any team this year.

Based on that I'm not sure he really has much time to take many long shots.

The Eagles by contrast had a PBWR of 68% vs the Giants. Overall they have the Giants at 31st in the league and the Eagles are 16th in PBWR.



RE: Not sure how someone is wrong  
adamg : 10/15/2018 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14130435 BBelle21 said:
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When they say they are literally not seeing separation on film. Others have said it as well. Not only Sy


I really don't understand your blind Eli homerism. It really is odd for someone who seems to be relatively reasonable by BBI standards.
RE: RE: Any questions about TOBJ?  
Matt M. : 10/16/2018 1:08 am : link
In comment 14130261 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 14130245 trueblueinpw said:


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I know Eli would never admit it but he must be annoyed by the locker room whispering campaign against him. Any questions about losing the locker room confidence or being thrown under the bus the 90 million dollar diva?




You're calling the guy a diva, but he is getting open and busting his ass on every single play and by the time he looks back, the ball is already being dumped off to a tailback. How would you feel if you are one of the best receivers in the league, run 30-40 yard sprints all game and you can't get the ball at a place where you can do anything with it?

I honestly don't blame Odell for being frustrated. I think he can go about it differently, but it's gotta be infuriating.
He isn't getting separation. At the LOS he is is not ever getting that first step of separation he has in the past. I'm not sure why, but Sy seems to think it is too much dancing at the snap. And then with the ball, he isn't breaking anything. He has gotten his share of receptions. Yes, some open looks were missed. But, plays he would break for 20+ are going for 10. Plays he would pick up 12 are going for 4-5. I don't know if it is simply a function of teams constantly putting 2-3 guys on him. But, then the onus is on other guys to step up and make plays.
RE: RE: Any questions about TOBJ?  
DonQuixote : 10/16/2018 1:52 am : link
In comment 14130261 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 14130245 trueblueinpw said:


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I know Eli would never admit it but he must be annoyed by the locker room whispering campaign against him. Any questions about losing the locker room confidence or being thrown under the bus the 90 million dollar diva?




You're calling the guy a diva, but he is getting open and busting his ass on every single play and by the time he looks back, the ball is already being dumped off to a tailback. How would you feel if you are one of the best receivers in the league, run 30-40 yard sprints all game and you can't get the ball at a place where you can do anything with it?

I honestly don't blame Odell for being frustrated. I think he can go about it differently, but it's gotta be infuriating.


I agree
RE: hitdog42  
DonQuixote : 10/16/2018 1:53 am : link
In comment 14130389 BBelle21 said:
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Lol. Sorry, but I’m more likely to trust Sy’s assessment than yours.


That is really an off comment.

Plus, I agree with hitdog
Bench him  
giantsFC : 10/16/2018 2:21 am : link
Let about 5 other qb’s play and most likely fail w Odell and the most overhyped giant of all time Sterling Shepard...then Eli comes out of retirement after 2 years of this conclusion after being left for dead and brings the team back to a playoff run.

Now that’s how you give it to the man.
RE: RE: Any questions about TOBJ?  
EricJ : 10/16/2018 7:20 am : link
In comment 14130261 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 14130245 trueblueinpw said:


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I know Eli would never admit it but he must be annoyed by the locker room whispering campaign against him. Any questions about losing the locker room confidence or being thrown under the bus the 90 million dollar diva?




You're calling the guy a diva, but he is getting open and busting his ass on every single play and by the time he looks back, the ball is already being dumped off to a tailback. How would you feel if you are one of the best receivers in the league, run 30-40 yard sprints all game and you can't get the ball at a place where you can do anything with it?

I honestly don't blame Odell for being frustrated. I think he can go about it differently, but it's gotta be infuriating.


Sorry man but obj is not busting his ass on every play. He is also not open as much as you think. The guy needs to handle this as a professional without having a tantrum or talking about his team to espn. I want tobseee him sitting with Eli on the bench talking about strategy and looking at photos while our defense is out there. Instead we see him making faces.

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