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We, the Giants, have entered "qb hell". With the suggestions

plato : 10/15/2018 5:43 pm
the giants add Bridgewater, or start Kyle L, or lose all games to draft a qb in 2019, this is "qb hell" and a losing team that is likely to go on for years unless there is a strong front office that can overturn Maradom and come up and execute a plan.

Otherwise welcome to 1965-1980 all over again and the Mara obsession with a quick trade/pick up or contuance of a qb who will be like YA Tittle. I lived those years and died those years, every season, every tragic death, every foolish trade. This must be avoided and I as a mere fan have no idea except to hope Gettleman can make the plan, execute it.

What I might do is develop a great defense get a reasonable qb and 'o' line to go with the all world rb, the giants almost never had. Hard to believe in the 21st century the Giants need to develop a defense with a great running attack, to win some games, and then get a qb who won't get sacked, give the ball away and beat his own team in so many ways that he previousy found ways to win for.

There are trades to be made including wr if it brings the right price to build the defense and obtain "o" lineman. Everything has a price and we need to get something for that wr who is so talented, before no one wants him. Then move on.

I thank goodness I am not in the front office because the challenge here is almost overwhelming in the football world. But in the real world, I have learned, unlike the 18 years of lousy football, there is a lot more important than football.

I expect many will have their wisdom to add. OK its a forum.
after Simms "retired"  
Vanzetti : 10/15/2018 5:49 pm : link
Giants went through a dozen years of QB hell until they drafted Eli.

A franchise QB is the building block and without one, teams are generally f**ked.
this is far from QB Hell  
MagicManning : 10/15/2018 5:57 pm : link
this is what happens at the end of an era. Nobody likes seeing a once great and revered player fall like this but Father Time is undefeated. If we continue to lose that gives us a great chance to draft whatever QB they see as a possible franchise QB.

Also with the amount of teams taking QBs early in drafts recently combined with rule changes that are going to allow a QB to play for much longer than before. There is actually more QB talent on the market than ever before as thats the way the NFL wants it. This is a bad team but not a team that is in QB hell.

The Cowboys are a team that is in QB hell the way I see it. They have a QB that can win them some games but I sincerely doubt he is good enough to win a SB. They have the team around him to make them competitive but if they truly had a franchise QB and maybe 1 good receiver they would be a SB contender. They may make the playoffs or maybe just miss it then pick in the middle to late in the draft and decide if they want to trade up for a QB they like or hope he falls. Thats QB hell. Sucking so bad you pick in the top 5 every year is just an untalanted bad football team that you have a chance to get some really good talent on if you choose right.
I disagree  
eli4life : 10/15/2018 6:01 pm : link
I don’t think we are there yet. Especially since we didn’t take darnold or whoever at 2. Yes we have an old qb who’s better days are long gone at this point and the need to get his replacement is this year (won’t argue whether or not it should of been last year). But qb hell imo is when year after year you draft a guy throw him out there and rinse and repeat every year. At least let’s let them have a shot at replacing Eli before we make this claim. Who knows we might end up with the next franchise guy and Barkley I’d argue that would be well worth a couple really shitty years. Either way whether it’s the side that’s right ( I call the darnold or Barkley side) will be most likely unbearable as far as I told you so.
QB hell...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/15/2018 6:05 pm : link
is when you are committed to many, many years of hoping your top QB pick will finally figure things out and improve to the point of consistently competing for a title.

We're not there yet. Think of a team like Chicago with Trubisky. After a terrible year last year, he started out weak with his new coach (Nagy). Now he's had two games in a row that look mostly pretty good.

He might become a great QB. He also might be a coach-killer. If you were to ask Chicago fans after week three what QB hell is you might have a different idea. They've must be wondering why they didn't take Mahomes.

Not knowing who your QB is going to be is one thing. It's not fun. But knowing that you've made a multi-year multi-million dollar commitment to a young QB with a top pick is something else altogether. If they don't work out, you've got QB hell.

In other words, before you risk real QB hell you better be very, very confident that the pick is legit. The Giants didn't grab a QB not just because SB was on the board, but also because they couldn't get a consensus on who the right QB was, and they didn't want to risk QB hell given the talent in front of them.
RE: after Simms  
USAF NYG Fan : 10/15/2018 6:18 pm : link
In comment 14130140 Vanzetti said:
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Giants went through a dozen years of QB hell until they drafted Eli.

A franchise QB is the building block and without one, teams are generally f**ked.

See I would add that they went through Coaching hell until they grabbed Coughlin. Also, the backup QB, Hoss, got them their 2nd SB BEFORE Simms retired. Simms was injured 3 games out from finishing the regular season. Therefore, they didn't need their "franchise" QB to win it all.
I love when people use Gettleman's phrase yet they don't even  
robbieballs2003 : 10/15/2018 6:30 pm : link
understand his definition. Go listen to his interview, understand how he classifies QB Hell, and then get back to us.
Darnold  
OC1973 : 10/15/2018 6:30 pm : link
Is going to haunt the Giants for the next 15yrs and god forbid the jets win Super Bowls with him and we are still in QB hell it will go down as the worst decision by a Giants GM. Best case senario is to start Lauletta for remainder of season see what we got and if he flops then we got 1st pick.
The face of our franchise is not even  
Chris684 : 10/15/2018 7:28 pm : link
off the roster yet and people are declaring we are in “QB hell”.

Spoiled rotten pu$$ies.

Some of you deserve the next flavor of the month QB to come along and get you excited only to flame out just as quickly as he came in, like RGIII, Sanchez or Kaepernick.



This is clearly QB hell  
UberAlias : 10/15/2018 7:37 pm : link
Current guy not good enough, no long term answer on the roster outside of a long shot, not knowing who will play for you behind Center next year. They may be able to dig themselves out, but yeah, this is QB hell.
What’s supppsed to happen  
UberAlias : 10/15/2018 7:42 pm : link
Is there is supppsed to be a transition. Except Webb failed and DG/PS overestimate what Manning had left.
RE: after Simms  
FStubbs : 10/15/2018 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14130140 Vanzetti said:
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Giants went through a dozen years of QB hell until they drafted Eli.

A franchise QB is the building block and without one, teams are generally f**ked.


Kerry Collins was good enough for awhile. He wasn't Eli or Simms but he wasn't garbage either. It was 5-6 years in the wilderness.
Fstubbs  
greek13 : 10/15/2018 8:37 pm : link
Agree
This isn't QB hell  
PatersonPlank : 10/15/2018 8:43 pm : link
We have a QB that is functioning as a 15 or so QB in this league per all the stats. He is a midling QB. If things go right around him he will look good, if not he won't. Just like Dalton or Flacco. What we need to do is get out next future QB soon to avoid QB hell
RE: after Simms  
Boy Cord : 10/15/2018 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14130140 Vanzetti said:
Quote:
Giants went through a dozen years of QB hell until they drafted Eli.

A franchise QB is the building block and without one, teams are generally f**ked.


I do not consider Collins QB hell.
Short memories  
GiantEgo : 10/15/2018 9:06 pm : link
I think folks forget how good Kerry Collins was when all the pieces were in place. He could probably throw as well as anyone ever
i agree Dallas is in QB hell. Dak is not the answer.  
markky : 10/15/2018 9:10 pm : link
I don't think we're in QB hell yet. If Gettleman crushes the next two drafts the way he crushed this year's, then we'll be fine. He'll find a QB and build our lines. I'm not going to grade him on the FA signings.
QB Hell for starters  
GiantEgo : 10/15/2018 9:15 pm : link
We may be in Head Coach Hell, General Manager Hell and Owner Hell which is the hottest.
Can we really compare Barkley vs Darnold  
TommytheElephant : 10/15/2018 9:36 pm : link
When our next franchise an might be a few drafts away ?
So if we finish 3-13 again (as it very likely appears we could)  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2018 10:12 pm : link
And with a top 5 pick we draft whoever we deem to be the top QB prospect in the 2019 draft, are we still in QB hell? What if we take said pick and trade down and get a haul of picks, a portion of which could be used to trade up for one of the several coveted QBs of the 2020 draft?

What if we had instead drafted Sam Darnold? Are you 100% sure that we WOULDN'T have been in QB hell at this moment?

What if it turns out Lauletta has what it takes to win in this league? Would that mean we were in QB hell at this point?

What if we sign/trade for a good young QB at the end of this season and he ends up being our starter for the next 10 years?

The real question is, how could you possibly know of any of the above 3 scenarios which one would or wouldn't be QB hell? The point is: you couldn't know until you can look back 10 years later and see if any one of those scenarios resulted in the Giants having a top tier franchise QB.

I agree at the moment our current QB is old and washed up, and probably not good enough to win consistently in this league anymore. That is not the equivalent of "QB Hell" in the traditional sense of the term, that just means our current starting QB is not the answer at QB at the moment. We won't be able to know if we're truly at the beginning of a half-decade "QB Hell" right now until we can look back later and see what happens from here out.
sorry I listed more than just "3 scenarios" but you get the point  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2018 10:12 pm : link
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RE: The face of our franchise is not even  
djm : 10/15/2018 10:45 pm : link
In comment 14130247 Chris684 said:
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off the roster yet and people are declaring we are in “QB hell”.

Spoiled rotten pu$$ies.

Some of you deserve the next flavor of the month QB to come along and get you excited only to flame out just as quickly as he came in, like RGIII, Sanchez or Kaepernick.




I don’t feel spoiled right about now!!
QB hell?  
section125 : 10/16/2018 7:22 am : link
Because the Jets drafted Darnold and the Giants didn't? Suppose the Giants took Rosen at #2 while the Jets took Darold at #3. Are they still in QB hell?

The Giants are in offensive line hell. Eli is basically done, but he would still be a viable QB if he got more than 2 seconds to throw the ball.

So no, the Giants are not in QB hell.

Kerry Collins was far from QB hell  
arniefez : 10/16/2018 8:17 am : link
I'll bet old Tom wishes he had a QB at Kerry's level right now. From the time Simms retired to Kerry? Yeah that QB hell. From 1965 until they drafted Simms? That was QB hell times 1000.
RE: This isn't QB hell  
FranchiseQB : 10/16/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14130358 PatersonPlank said:
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We have a QB that is functioning as a 15 or so QB in this league per all the stats. He is a midling QB. If things go right around him he will look good, if not he won't. Just like Dalton or Flacco. What we need to do is get out next future QB soon to avoid QB hell


I have very bad news for you. Eli is not in any way the 15th best qb in the league. I don't know what you are smoking. Dalton and Flacco ar both superior to Eli. Eli is likely the worst starting qb in the league and i am sure there are several backups who are much better.
RE: This isn't QB hell  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/16/2018 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14130358 PatersonPlank said:
Quote:
We have a QB that is functioning as a 15 or so QB in this league per all the stats. He is a midling QB. If things go right around him he will look good, if not he won't. Just like Dalton or Flacco. What we need to do is get out next future QB soon to avoid QB hell


Imagine being this lost at this stage of the game.

Wow.
QB Hell..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2018 6:32 pm : link
is having a rotating stable of mediocre QB's and never being able to get the franchise guy.

This isn't QB Hell, and it would be nice if people actually used the term correctly
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