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wow

Philip Rivers was a complete jerk off his first few years in the League the New York media would have ate him alive
Ben Roethlisberger being accused of sexual assault two different occasions no thanks

How much more absolutely badass must his championship runs have been to make that obvious? Eli’s 2 championships and Ben’s 2 championships are not even close to being on even ground. Rivers? Jesus...

but sometimes it outdoes even it's so very lofty standards.

I would have given up the next ten drafts. Can’t take those years away, Eli has been a made man in New York for a long time. It’s ending now and it’s too bad but don’t forget what you got to watch.

Super Bowl 42 by itself is an all-timer in sports history, let alone Super Bowl history. I will never forget that game.

He's big, mobile, and a real play-maker. And he's a surefire Hall of Famer.

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...and you'd rather have that than 2 SB with Eli?

GTFO here with this garbage

1981 draft and evaluate that one too. I mean considering the issues LT had and the fact we only won 2 superbowls with him, surely we could have done better. Maybe we should have drafted Lott or even mark may

In comment 14130179 Dave in PA said:

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How much more absolutely badass must his championship runs have been to make that obvious? Eli’s 2 championships and Ben’s 2 championships are not even close to being on even ground. Rivers? Jesus...

I know. The throw Roethlisberger made to Santonio Holmes to win SB 38 wasn't clutch.

the Giants took Jarrod Bunch. But what do you guys think? Should we have taken Brett Favre instead? It was a pretty big risk, and we probably could have used a QB to groom behind Simms. Maybe trade up and take Huey Richardson?

Just something to think about.

that's a good sign that they should be discussed.

Do you think either Rivers or Ben result in more Super Bowl victories for the Giants? I don’t think so. I think Rivers and Ben were mostly better regular season QBs than Eli, although I think Eli’s 2011 might be the best single season any of them had.

I can see an argument that the other two may have resulted in more playoff appearances - 2010 and 2012 strike me as years of missed opportunities where Eli had some pedestrian games that the others may have won.

The trade was worth it because we got the championships. I don’t think the other two result in any more rings. So yes, the Giants made the right decision.

In comment 14130198 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14130179 Dave in PA said: Quote: How much more absolutely badass must his championship runs have been to make that obvious? Eli’s 2 championships and Ben’s 2 championships are not even close to being on even ground. Rivers? Jesus... I know. The throw Roethlisberger made to Santonio Holmes to win SB 38 wasn't clutch.

A great play, no doubt about it, but it’s a false equivalency to state that they both have 2 Super Bowls and therefore effectively cancel each other out in that regard. Knowing history, how could you NOT take Eli Manning again? Those picks were quickly lost to history and inconsequential (Kaeding, Merriman, etc). Footnotes in the history of the Goliath slayer’s career.

Giants got Eli very cheap. Switching 1sts plus a 3rd in that year plus a 1st and 5th next year. A huge bargain in my opinion.

Wow. What the hell? I mean just wow. Have I said that yet? Wow. Posts like this is a great reminder not to take BBI too seriously. It's a good slap in the face and a wake up call. So I guess thank you?

A rapist in the media spotlight of New York? What could go wrong?



And an absolute psychopath on the field. Yeah, that would have went over well...

Big Ben would be inmate # 555530 at Sing Sing.

Rivers would have been eaten alive in this market.

Eli's personality & demeanor was/is perfect for the NYC market. Also, 2 rings. Those are big deals.

In comment 14130186 bw in dc said:

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He's big, mobile, and a real play-maker. And he's a surefire Hall of Famer.

He's also a serial rapist.

In comment 14130309 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 14130186 bw in dc said: Quote: He's big, mobile, and a real play-maker. And he's a surefire Hall of Famer. He's also a serial rapist.

Maybe. But I didn't think that was part of the evaluation. I sensed this was purely about football skill. If so, like I said, Roeth is easily the better player.

If you want to throw the morality variable into it, then fine. Different answer - I take Rivers all day.

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Guy asks a question on a sports forum. Give him a break.

A bird in the hand...

This board is increasingly insufferable

The board has gotten worse

Have not had a losing season since Big Ben was a rookie starter. Made the playoffs 10 out of 14 times and he was a major reason. It’s not even close that he is the best of the bunch

In comment 14130377 DC Gmen Fan said:

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In comment 14130187 Anakim said: Quote: ... Guy asks a question on a sports forum. Give him a break.

It's a stupid fucking question

Classy guy who has won in the nastiest media market in the world and somehow continues to be classy. I can't think of anyone other than Jeter that has done this before or since.

In comment 14130465 Anakim said:

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In comment 14130377 DC Gmen Fan said: Quote: In comment 14130187 Anakim said: Quote: ... Guy asks a question on a sports forum. Give him a break. It's a stupid fucking question

Maybe in your almighty opinion it is. But it's a question that generates a pretty good discussion. If you don't like the question don't click on the thread.

that team was fun to watch until Plax shot himself. I wonder sometimes if Kasey makes that kick and the Giants lose to Carolina and end up playing Arizona in the playoffs if the result would have been different.

... Super Bowls. There is no way to predict Ben or Rivers would have won a damn thing. And like another poster said, I’m not confident Rivers could have handled NY.

Talk about hindsight

In comment 14130537 Boy Cord said:

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... Super Bowls. There is no way to predict Ben or Rivers would have won a damn thing. And like another poster said, I’m not confident Rivers could have handled NY.

Just curious - why?

He's our guy - we rooted and won with him and I credit him with a couple of the very best memories I have in sports.

Would either of Rivers or BR be as good if they'd suffered behind the lines that appear to have done in Eli?

I'm pretty sure Eli still has the physical strength to still compete - the part that looks most shot to me is his comfort in the pocket. No way I would expect BR or PR to be any different given the same circumstances.

In comment 14130638 Dan in the Springs said:

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He's our guy - we rooted and won with him and I credit him with a couple of the very best memories I have in sports. Would either of Rivers or BR be as good if they'd suffered behind the lines that appear to have done in Eli? I'm pretty sure Eli still has the physical strength to still compete - the part that looks most shot to me is his comfort in the pocket. No way I would expect BR or PR to be any different given the same circumstances.

Big Ben over the course of 15 years has had an array of offensive lines blocking for him - some good some not so good. Again the Steelers have never had a losing season since his starting year as a rookie, when the years before he joined were volatile

I'd give up two drafts for the 2007 Super Bowl Season.

As Parcells once said about life after Phil Simms, "sure, he's a good QB, but he's no Phil Simms". Same could be said about Eli

We need to stop this nonsense.

Eli was best choice in that regard plus brought 2 db champ

Ben, if he wasnt such a bad character, I would've preferred, strictly because as better to handle pressure in pocket and extend plays than eli.

Rivers too much of character issues

In comment 14130508 DC Gmen Fan said:

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In comment 14130465 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14130377 DC Gmen Fan said: Quote: In comment 14130187 Anakim said: Quote: ... Guy asks a question on a sports forum. Give him a break. It's a stupid fucking question Maybe in your almighty opinion it is. But it's a question that generates a pretty good discussion. If you don't like the question don't click on the thread.

It's a stupid question with a simple answer.

Eli is the third best QB of the 2004 class. But he was the best QB for New York. He wasn't a rapist with constant off-the-field questions. He wasn't a complete psycho on the field who would taunt opponents and throw tantrums on the field. He was a professional and he earned two Super Bowl MVPs.

In comment 14130704 micky said:

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Eli was best choice in that regard plus brought 2 db champ Ben, if he wasnt such a bad character, I would've preferred, strictly because as better to handle pressure in pocket and extend plays than eli. Rivers too much of character issues

was LT a good character off the field? Kerry Collins? Christian Peter?

In comment 14130915 Les in TO said:

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In comment 14130704 micky said: Quote: Eli was best choice in that regard plus brought 2 db champ Ben, if he wasnt such a bad character, I would've preferred, strictly because as better to handle pressure in pocket and extend plays than eli. Rivers too much of character issues was LT a good character off the field? Kerry Collins? Christian Peter?

Collins was fine as a Giant. As far as I remember, he didn't have any run-ins. The drinking problem and the racial slur were things of the past.

The rest weren't QBs...

So Eli only winning two is a real disappointment.

Off the field headlines are overstated. He had no major character concerns in the 2004 draft. The Lake Tahoe incident wasn’t until 2009 and the Georgia allegations were a couple of years later. Both of which were disputed and no charges filed. He’s fine with the media and has a family with a few kids and a charitable foundation.

I would take fifteen years of consistent winning football compared to the rollercoaster of theEli era

In comment 14130973 Les in TO said:

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Off the field headlines are overstated. He had no major character concerns in the 2004 draft. The Lake Tahoe incident wasn’t until 2009 and the Georgia allegations were a couple of years later. Both of which were disputed and no charges filed. He’s fine with the media and has a family with a few kids and a charitable foundation.

Riiiiiight, and I'm sure the motorcycle accident that nearly killed him would've never happened.

He is who he is. An excellent QB who's a knucklehead, a rapist, and a dipshit.

In comment 14130704 micky said:

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Eli was best choice in that regard plus brought 2 db champ Ben, if he wasnt such a bad character, I would've preferred, strictly because as better to handle pressure in pocket and extend plays than eli. Rivers too much of character issues

What are Rivers’s character issues? Are you kidding?

Guy doesn’t swear and he’s a devout Catholic. Has been married since his sophomore year at NC state. Has eight children that he dotes over.

In comment 14131023 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14130704 micky said: Quote: Eli was best choice in that regard plus brought 2 db champ Ben, if he wasnt such a bad character, I would've preferred, strictly because as better to handle pressure in pocket and extend plays than eli. Rivers too much of character issues What are Rivers’s character issues? Are you kidding? Guy doesn’t swear and he’s a devout Catholic. Has been married since his sophomore year at NC state. Has eight children that he dotes over.

He doesn't curse? Sure seems like he cursed and taunted Jay Cutler...

In comment 14131134 Anakim said:

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In comment 14131023 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 14130704 micky said: Quote: Eli was best choice in that regard plus brought 2 db champ Ben, if he wasnt such a bad character, I would've preferred, strictly because as better to handle pressure in pocket and extend plays than eli. Rivers too much of character issues What are Rivers’s character issues? Are you kidding? Guy doesn’t swear and he’s a devout Catholic. Has been married since his sophomore year at NC state. Has eight children that he dotes over. He doesn't curse? Sure seems like he cursed and taunted Jay Cutler...

Jay Cutler would make the Pope curse at him...

In comment 14131186 DC Gmen Fan said:

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In comment 14131134 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14131023 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 14130704 micky said: Quote: Eli was best choice in that regard plus brought 2 db champ Ben, if he wasnt such a bad character, I would've preferred, strictly because as better to handle pressure in pocket and extend plays than eli. Rivers too much of character issues What are Rivers’s character issues? Are you kidding? Guy doesn’t swear and he’s a devout Catholic. Has been married since his sophomore year at NC state. Has eight children that he dotes over. He doesn't curse? Sure seems like he cursed and taunted Jay Cutler... Jay Cutler would make the Pope curse at him...

Uhhh, what? What did Cutler do in that game to make Rivers taunt him?

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He doesn't curse? Sure seems like he cursed and taunted Jay Cutler...

That's the sort of the scuttlebutt about him - he uses "gosh dangits", "holy hecks", "freakin'...", etc...

I've seen interviews with teammates who find him funny because he doesn't curse.