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Boomer pointed out, 3 of next 4 opponents

joeinpa : 10/16/2018 7:58 am
Have some of the worst defenses in the league.

Now those who contends Eaison has a slanted anti Eli view are probably correct. He often makes veiled comments that portray Eli and the Giants in a bad light.

However, he s not always wrong. In this particular case he believes the Giants offense will come alive, possibly resulting in wins that would take them out of an excellent draft position along with reinforcing the Giants belief that going forth with Eli is the correct decision.

In any case the next 4 games will be telling if the Giants offense continues to struggle, or if they play well enough to get season back on track
I have to see it to believe it  
GoBlue6599 : 10/16/2018 8:09 am : link
In regards to the Giants offense coming alive against any calibre defense
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Danny Kanell : 10/16/2018 8:10 am : link
Don’t worry. The Giants shitty defense will do enough bad things for us to maintain our draft position.
It’s a good point by Esiason...  
bw in dc : 10/16/2018 8:21 am : link
Eli is due for one of those out-of-nowhere great games when he lights it up with 450+, 3-4tds, and great on third down. And then his die hard supporters will crawl out of their holes and say “Look, he’s still got it. We just need to be patient. He’s finding his groove. He seems more confident. This is why he needs to be extended....yada yada yada...” You really can write the script.

Then a week later, Eli will be 25/44, 189, 0tds, 3 picks.

The fool’s good effect having struck again....

RE: .  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/16/2018 8:26 am : link
In comment 14130743 Danny Kanell said:
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Don’t worry. The Giants shitty defense will do enough bad things for us to maintain our draft position.



this....
been there, done that  
Rocky369 : 10/16/2018 8:28 am : link
same was said when the highly rated New Orleans defense came to town.
#SuckForTheDuck  
Jints in Carolina : 10/16/2018 8:30 am : link
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Well  
jvm52106 : 10/16/2018 8:31 am : link
I think we will do more offensively but I don't see us scaring anyone. The Falcons can still rush the passer and Eli, unlike Roethlisberger, Winston, Dalton etc., the QB's the Falcons have faced recently, cannot move away from the rush to save his life. I just don't see us doing much the way we are playing now, unless Barkley takes over the game.
Eli is not the sole problem with this offense.....  
Simms11 : 10/16/2018 8:37 am : link
It's the perfect storm when you don't have good blocking an immobile QB and WRs not getting enough separation within 2.5 seconds!

With that said, the more mobile QBs normally have the ability to at least extend plays with their legs. Eli does not have that ability and never really did. He was good previously at stepping up in the pocket and getting the ball downfield letting his receivers make plays on the ball. His immobility, along with this Oline are just not a good match.

The Saints Pass Defense was also considered very poor and they did a number on our offense too. You just don't know how this offense is going to respond and so even if those defenses are poor, that doesn't automatically mean offensive success. I'm hoping Shurmur makes the proper adjustments in the offensive game-plan to allow Eli and the offense to be successful.
A lot of the Eli fans are already turning I. Him  
Shecky : 10/16/2018 8:39 am : link
If he continues the next few weeks against poor defenses - they’ll be a revolt.

I would like to see them focus on Barkley and the ground game finally. If you can’t pass on a cover 2, you should be able to pound the shit out of it by running!!
Esiason can't say the name Manning without mentioning  
jcn56 : 10/16/2018 8:40 am : link
money in the same sentence (or next couple of sentences). It's as if it's physiologically incapable of doing so.

I'm guessing he's a bit sour at not being able to cash in at the same rate.
RE: #SuckForTheDuck  
micky : 10/16/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 14130763 Jints in Carolina said:
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LOL
RE: Esiason can't say the name Manning without mentioning  
Dave in PA : 10/16/2018 8:57 am : link
In comment 14130773 jcn56 said:
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money in the same sentence (or next couple of sentences). It's as if it's physiologically incapable of doing so.

I'm guessing he's a bit sour at not being able to cash in at the same rate.
Boomer probably thought he was going to be the NY a hotshot WB when he came to the Jets and that franchise was abysmal with him. He has also never gotten over that SB loss to the 49ers. He’s just bitter about his career, because in his mind he was an all time great.
I think Boomer  
Doomster : 10/16/2018 8:58 am : link
is setting Eli up to fail......poor defenses? So if Eli has bad games against them, just gives him more fodder to backup his opinion....
Possible factor  
Tony in Tampa : 10/16/2018 9:09 am : link
The return of Ingram. Speed up the seam could open up coverage on OBJ and running holes for Barkley. We'll see
3 of the next 4 opponents  
BigBlueinChicago : 10/16/2018 9:12 am : link
are looking at the Giants defense and they are licking their chops at putting up at least 30.

Atlanta (#8 in total offense)

Washington (Giants will probably beat them)

San Fran (Beathard put up 31 on them last year when they were 0-8 and had no talent)

Tampa Bay (#2 in total offense)

And one that is through, they face the Eagles again and you can go ahead and write in the score of that one.

As the other poster mentioned...they played this "terrible" defense in the Saints and only scored 10 points for the first 55+ minutes.
RE: 3 of the next 4 opponents  
Les in TO : 10/16/2018 9:14 am : link
In comment 14130801 BigBlueinChicago said:
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are looking at the Giants defense and they are licking their chops at putting up at least 30.

Atlanta (#8 in total offense)

Washington (Giants will probably beat them)

San Fran (Beathard put up 31 on them last year when they were 0-8 and had no talent)

Tampa Bay (#2 in total offense)

And one that is through, they face the Eagles again and you can go ahead and write in the score of that one.

As the other poster mentioned...they played this "terrible" defense in the Saints and only scored 10 points for the first 55+ minutes.
exactly. The Giants offense has a way of making opposing defenses feel like the 2000 Ravens
Boomer  
BBelle21 : 10/16/2018 9:15 am : link
Doesn’t even try to hide the envy he feels for Eli. Even when Eli comes in for those interviews, Boomer struggles with them. The fake laughs are hard to stomach. I think he also just doesn’t like who Eli is as a man, and doesn’t understand how someone like Eli was King of NY twice. A cut above Boomer.
RE: It’s a good point by Esiason...  
bradshaw44 : 10/16/2018 9:19 am : link
In comment 14130750 bw in dc said:
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Eli is due for one of those out-of-nowhere great games when he lights it up with 450+, 3-4tds, and great on third down. And then his die hard supporters will crawl out of their holes and say “Look, he’s still got it. We just need to be patient. He’s finding his groove. He seems more confident. This is why he needs to be extended....yada yada yada...” You really can write the script.

Then a week later, Eli will be 25/44, 189, 0tds, 3 picks.

The fool’s good effect having struck again....


I agree with most of your post. But the crazy picks will only happen if he starts taking shots downfield which people will like. He's been keeping the ball relatively safe this year with all the short garbage plays.
I expect the offense to show some life on Monday  
Bramton1 : 10/16/2018 9:24 am : link
Why? It's an odd-numbered game.

Game 1 vs Jacksonville. Offense moves the ball on Jaguars defense. Just can't finish.

Game 2 vs Dallas. Offense sucks.

Game 3 vs Houston. Offense comes to life, puts up 20 by halftime. Giants win.

Game 4 vs Saints. Offense sucks vs terrible Saints' defense.

Game 5 vs Panthers. Offense comes up life, puts up 31.

Game 6 vs Eagles. Offense sucks vs injured Eagles secondary.

Game 7 vs Falcons. ?????
RE: RE: It’s a good point by Esiason...  
Bleedin Blue : 10/16/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 14130816 bradshaw44 said:
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In comment 14130750 bw in dc said:


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Eli is due for one of those out-of-nowhere great games when he lights it up with 450+, 3-4tds, and great on third down. And then his die hard supporters will crawl out of their holes and say “Look, he’s still got it. We just need to be patient. He’s finding his groove. He seems more confident. This is why he needs to be extended....yada yada yada...” You really can write the script.

Then a week later, Eli will be 25/44, 189, 0tds, 3 picks.

The fool’s good effect having struck again....




I agree with most of your post. But the crazy picks will only happen if he starts taking shots downfield which people will like. He's been keeping the ball relatively safe this year with all the short garbage plays.


I’m an Eli fan, I think he’s declining fast, I still think this O-Line SUCKS! and I DON’T believe one Eli fan on this board or anywhere would say HE NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED! I don’t care if he lit the league up!
RE: Boomer  
Beezer : 10/16/2018 9:36 am : link
In comment 14130810 BBelle21 said:
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Doesn’t even try to hide the envy he feels for Eli. Even when Eli comes in for those interviews, Boomer struggles with them. The fake laughs are hard to stomach. I think he also just doesn’t like who Eli is as a man, and doesn’t understand how someone like Eli was King of NY twice. A cut above Boomer.


What about Eli, as a man, do you think he doesn't like?
RE: It’s a good point by Esiason...  
BigBlueinChicago : 10/16/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 14130750 bw in dc said:
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Eli is due for one of those out-of-nowhere great games when he lights it up with 450+, 3-4tds, and great on third down. And then his die hard supporters will crawl out of their holes and say “Look, he’s still got it. We just need to be patient. He’s finding his groove. He seems more confident. This is why he needs to be extended....yada yada yada...” You really can write the script.

Then a week later, Eli will be 25/44, 189, 0tds, 3 picks.

The fool’s good effect having struck again....


This is kind of like what happened last year.

That now infamous Philadelphia game that appeared to spearhead all of this "He's still got it" stuff, was followed up the very next week by a horror show in Arizona.

But for some, it was as if the Arizona game never happened.

This year, a lot has been made of the Houston and Carolina games, as if the rest of the games didn't happen.
BTW  
bradshaw44 : 10/16/2018 9:40 am : link
I've said it a thousand times, we are the team on everyone else schedule that fans say, we should be able to light these guys up. We suck. Even if an opposing D is crappy to the rest of the league, they aren't compared to what we are bringing to the table. So every team we face, is a good/better team then us so nothing is easy.
Eli and Boomer  
Cariboo : 10/16/2018 9:47 am : link
Belong to the same golf club. Would love to see them bump into each other someday.
Bucs had 512 yards of offense vs Falcons  
shyster : 10/16/2018 10:00 am : link
on Sunday. Winston threw for `400 with 4 TDs and missed another TD with an end zone pick.

On many TB pass plays there was no ATL defender on the screen when the ball was caught.

Falcons' D has been racked by injury. Assuming Engram is back, everything should be in order for an Eli revival.

And no one wants it more than Mara and Gettleman.
RE: It’s a good point by Esiason...  
mittenedman : 10/16/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 14130750 bw in dc said:
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Eli is due for one of those out-of-nowhere great games when he lights it up with 450+, 3-4tds, and great on third down. And then his die hard supporters will crawl out of their holes and say “Look, he’s still got it. We just need to be patient. He’s finding his groove. He seems more confident. This is why he needs to be extended....yada yada yada...” You really can write the script.

Then a week later, Eli will be 25/44, 189, 0tds, 3 picks.

The fool’s good effect having struck again....


Speaking strictly for myself, that's why the game last week was so disappointing. There will be none of that. Last week was the sound of 15 years being over. Hope is lost, a big game will not matter to me anymore. He has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he cannot string good performances together and there are no more excuses. It's over, which is a very strange feeling.
shyster  
mittenedman : 10/16/2018 10:08 am : link
Watching the Giants try to block Vic Beasley is going to be painful. He might have 6 sacks. Much more likely they come close to shutting us out.
I've been waiting...  
silverfox : 10/16/2018 10:15 am : link
...for an Eli breakout game for years. His brain is now in eternal check down and fall down mode. They can't and won't blow the next draft position.
RE: shyster  
FStubbs : 10/16/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 14130896 mittenedman said:
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Watching the Giants try to block Vic Beasley is going to be painful. He might have 6 sacks. Much more likely they come close to shutting us out.


Vic Beasley has been MIA for a lot of this season, but the Giants are everyone's "get right" team.
RE: Bucs had 512 yards of offense vs Falcons  
family progtitioner : 10/16/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 14130875 shyster said:
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on Sunday. Winston threw for `400 with 4 TDs and missed another TD with an end zone pick.

On many TB pass plays there was no ATL defender on the screen when the ball was caught.

Falcons' D has been racked by injury. Assuming Engram is back, everything should be in order for an Eli revival.

And no one wants it more than Mara and Gettleman.


The blueprint is out on how to attack Eli. They'll be lucky to score 20. Keep Eli at QB if this team wants a top 3 draft pick. They really need to see what lauletta has, though. Maybe after bye
RE: I think Boomer  
JCin332 : 10/16/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 14130790 Doomster said:
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is setting Eli up to fail......poor defenses? So if Eli has bad games against them, just gives him more fodder to backup his opinion....


This
Season is already over  
Glover : 10/16/2018 10:55 am : link
players have said it feels different than last year's 1-5, but the Giants look like the NFL's "Get Right" team to play.
So the Giants had the best 2018 draft? And it has not helped them one bit. Barkley is a one man offensive machine, with Shepard contributing a little bit, but Eli can't do a thing.
The team is saying the right things, but the Giants will continue to play down to bad defenses and that 31 points against the panthers 2 Sunday's ago will be shown as the aberration that it was, and they will be back to their below 20 PPG scoring.
RE: RE: Esiason can't say the name Manning without mentioning  
Rong5611 : 10/16/2018 11:04 am : link
I agree, alittle Eli envy coming from Boomer.

In comment 14130788 Dave in PA said:
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In comment 14130773 jcn56 said:


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money in the same sentence (or next couple of sentences). It's as if it's physiologically incapable of doing so.

I'm guessing he's a bit sour at not being able to cash in at the same rate.

Boomer probably thought he was going to be the NY a hotshot WB when he came to the Jets and that franchise was abysmal with him. He has also never gotten over that SB loss to the 49ers. He’s just bitter about his career, because in his mind he was an all time great.
RE: RE: I think Boomer  
Eman11 : 10/16/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 14130982 JCin332 said:
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In comment 14130790 Doomster said:


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is setting Eli up to fail......poor defenses? So if Eli has bad games against them, just gives him more fodder to backup his opinion....



This


I agree this is most likely part of why he said that today. Boomer is always trying to get a narrative to fit his opinions and never once admits maybe he was wrong about his opinion.

He talked for months pre draft how Darnold was perfect for the Giants, and will never stop trying to prove he was right. Even if Barkley is a HOFer and Darnold flops,we'll hear how he would've succeeded as a Giant.
RE: It’s a good point by Esiason...  
Rong5611 : 10/16/2018 11:12 am : link
Great point by Boomer. Lets see if Eli can capitalize. If he does and we win, we lose our draft position, so what. I want to see the team win and improve.

That said, Eli is the only starting QB on our roster currently. There's no one else, at least for this year and likely next year as well. If they keep losing and Eli continues to look bad, Lauletta should and will get some reps.


In comment 14130750 bw in dc said:
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Eli is due for one of those out-of-nowhere great games when he lights it up with 450+, 3-4tds, and great on third down. And then his die hard supporters will crawl out of their holes and say “Look, he’s still got it. We just need to be patient. He’s finding his groove. He seems more confident. This is why he needs to be extended....yada yada yada...” You really can write the script.

Then a week later, Eli will be 25/44, 189, 0tds, 3 picks.

The fool’s good effect having struck again....
This is why BBI can drive you mad:  
Defense56 : 10/16/2018 12:31 pm : link
"his die hard supporters will crawl out of their holes"

I really love this site and hate it at the same time. As much as some of the fans drive me nuts BBI is like a drug that keeps sucking me back in.
When does Boomer ever call anything on the Giants right?  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/16/2018 12:36 pm : link
only when he accidentally stubs his toe on it
RE: RE: It’s a good point by Esiason...  
Toth029 : 10/16/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14130841 BigBlueinChicago said:
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In comment 14130750 bw in dc said:


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Eli is due for one of those out-of-nowhere great games when he lights it up with 450+, 3-4tds, and great on third down. And then his die hard supporters will crawl out of their holes and say “Look, he’s still got it. We just need to be patient. He’s finding his groove. He seems more confident. This is why he needs to be extended....yada yada yada...” You really can write the script.

Then a week later, Eli will be 25/44, 189, 0tds, 3 picks.

The fool’s good effect having struck again....




This is kind of like what happened last year.

That now infamous Philadelphia game that appeared to spearhead all of this "He's still got it" stuff, was followed up the very next week by a horror show in Arizona.

But for some, it was as if the Arizona game never happened.

This year, a lot has been made of the Houston and Carolina games, as if the rest of the games didn't happen.

Engram didn't play really at all in the Arizona game. Who were the skill players again facing a very tough Cardinal defense? Roger Lewis, Hunter Sharp?
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