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They lack Talent---Repeat 100 Times

Rafflee : 10/16/2018 10:30 am
It's Not primarily The Coaching, it's the Talent. If the Talent was so terrific, Reese would still be here.

Can Eli still play? Maybe the right question is whether he'll still be able to play when they have enough talent to win....and I believe his performance and remaining talent is absolutely in question.

O'Dell... Barkley... Engram?... The Left Guard.... Solder?...maybe Gallman becoems a nice contributor. Otherwise, it's a mix of Scraps and JAGS---and Shep IS a JAG!!!! Let's not forget that Blocking is a Talent.

I believe they're a little closer on D--- Lacking Bodies and skill in the DB's---and that is looking threadbare going toward 2019





O'Dell?  
Anakim : 10/16/2018 10:40 am : link
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arcarsenal : 10/16/2018 10:41 am : link
I agree 100%  
Jeever : 10/16/2018 10:43 am : link
Outside of Barkley, OBJ, Engram on offense and Vernon and Collins on defense there isn't much there. Vernon costs too much for what we're getting out of him.

It's time to trade Eli if we can. Maybe Oakland or Denver will take him off our hands. We can't carry Vernon's salary next year.


We need to draft a QB, an Edge Rusher or two and all the OLine help we can get.
didn't Engram  
Chip : 10/16/2018 10:56 am : link
lead the league in drops last year.
Outside of Barkley  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/16/2018 11:01 am : link
Bbi'ers need to get out of the echo chamber and question what we have in Obj, Sheppard and Engram.
What has Engram  
lax counsel : 10/16/2018 11:04 am : link
Shown anyone that leads you to believe he should be mentioned in the same sentence as OBJ or Barkley. Right now, hes more hype than production.
You are correct  
Joey in VA : 10/16/2018 11:05 am : link
Horrible drafting and player acquisition through FA has killed us. This is a rotten decrepit roster. Gettleman bought a fixer upper and he's going to have to knock most of it over and I think he knows that.
There is nothing wrong with Shepard  
MetsAreBack : 10/16/2018 11:22 am : link
He'd be a good #2 on a number of contending teams right now.

Obviously the OL still sucks (and I have faith DG will fix this, but it does take time)...

this of course doesnt also mean Eli couldnt hold the ball a little longer than he does, or if he were more mobile, extend some plays.

And while I look at the defense and see some decent talent -- they've given up 100 points in 3 games. They suck too.
RE: What has Engram  
bradshaw44 : 10/16/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 14131033 lax counsel said:
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Shown anyone that leads you to believe he should be mentioned in the same sentence as OBJ or Barkley. Right now, hes more hype than production.



I'm with you. Don't get all the love for this guy.
They lack talent to win 10+ games  
jcn56 : 10/16/2018 11:25 am : link
they have enough talent to win more than 1.

It's more than just the talent right now.
OBJ ...  
silverfox : 10/16/2018 11:29 am : link
...is very overrated as well as Engram. Guys like Cole beasely are worth their paychecks and produce like hell. Beckham is an all or nothing talent and is more Nothing than all.
Shep is more than a JAG, IMO.  
Keith : 10/16/2018 11:30 am : link
It seems like most people discussing shep, fail to see that there is something in between a star WR and a JAG. Shep is in an offense where the QB looks to be one of the worst in the league. The blocking is suspect and he's at best the 3rd option. What are people really expecting from him? I think he's a very solid type of receiver and will have a long career.
I dont know if Shepard is a number 2  
dep026 : 10/16/2018 11:32 am : link
but he can be a big time contributor as a number 3.
RE: OBJ ...  
arcarsenal : 10/16/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 14131098 silverfox said:
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...is very overrated as well as Engram. Guys like Cole beasely are worth their paychecks and produce like hell. Beckham is an all or nothing talent and is more Nothing than all.


Terrible analysis.
RE: RE: OBJ ...  
MetsAreBack : 10/16/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14131114 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14131098 silverfox said:


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...is very overrated as well as Engram. Guys like Cole beasely are worth their paychecks and produce like hell. Beckham is an all or nothing talent and is more Nothing than all.



Terrible analysis.



You mean you weren't impressed with Cole Beasley's production - 17 catches, 190 yards, 0 TDs - through the first 5 games just because silverfox said so?
RE: RE: OBJ ...  
ShockNRoll : 10/16/2018 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14131114 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14131098 silverfox said:


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...is very overrated as well as Engram. Guys like Cole beasely are worth their paychecks and produce like hell. Beckham is an all or nothing talent and is more Nothing than all.



Terrible analysis.


Yes, we just got a Cole Beasley/Odell Beckham comparison. Just when you think you've heard it all.
. huh wha???  
FranchiseQB : 10/16/2018 2:52 pm : link
Did someone just say Cole Beasley is better than Beckham and engram? Hmmm I wonder what it is about Cole Beasley that he likes better than Beckham and engram... wracking my brain. It would be funny if he had his wish and we had a team of Cole Beasleys. I'm pretty sure they could score a point.

There is nothing wrong with Shep by the way. Solid player.
RE: You are correct  
.McL. : 10/16/2018 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14131037 Joey in VA said:
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Horrible drafting and player acquisition through FA has killed us. This is a rotten decrepit roster. Gettleman bought a fixer upper and he's going to have to knock most of it over and I think he knows that.


^ This!

People here keep thinking there is a quick fix... Get a new QB and couple of OL in FA all the problems will go away. First off, we are living the FA acquisition nightmare now. FA OL cost a ton for garbage these days, think Pugh, Richberg, and our own Omameh and Solder. Plus there is a lot more wrong with this team than just a QB and a couple of OL. We need about 11 new starters to replace garbage that we are starting now, and depth everywhere. That is HALF the starting lineup needs to be replaced. As you said, Gettleman has to gut this fixer-upper. Its going to take more than one off-season.
SR VP of Player Personnel is one of the Owners  
arniefez : 10/16/2018 3:43 pm : link
how are you going to fix that?
RE: SR VP of Player Personnel is one of the Owners  
FStubbs : 10/16/2018 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14131635 arniefez said:
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how are you going to fix that?


This. Mara needed to go with Reese/Ross but obviously we're still stuck with him.
What about some other teams?  
Go Terps : 10/16/2018 6:30 pm : link
The Jets are 3-3 with a rookie QB...are they much more talented than we are? What about Miami? They're 4-2. What great talent do they have? Tennessee is 3-3 with a new head coach and less talent than we have. Seattle has basically torn their team apart...they're 3-3.

The Giants aren't just bad. Worse than that they are a team built on excuses and rationalizations. Complete garbage from top to bottom.
RE: SR VP of Player Personnel is one of the Owners  
.McL. : 10/16/2018 6:45 pm : link
In comment 14131635 arniefez said:
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how are you going to fix that?


What exactly is Sr VP of Player Personnel? Its not the GM. He doesn't make the final draft decisions. He doesn't sign FAs. Certainly not a coach. Does he head the scouting Dept.? What exactly is that role? He does seem to have some say in what players are brought in, but what is that say, and how important?
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