Guys, let me preface to say if this was posted, I am so sorry. I did a quick search and couldn't find this. I'll delete with apologies if I missed an earlier thread.
Given our current situation at QB and how loathed McAdoo was by many, I thought this was curious. I don't know the validity of this although the article cites Anita Marks. I am not privy to any inside info but if this was true, it certainly feels like a missed opportunity. Keep in mind, I am not saying we'd be the Chiefs but the QB position would be a lesser concern.
| With all that is going on in Giants world regarding their current quarterback situation, Ben McAdoo, of all people, was once a big proponent of the team drafting quarterback Patrick Mahomes. |
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We were even rumored to have tried to trade up for him as well.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
more than 13 spots as KC wouldn't have traded with us
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As time goes on, it's starting to look like he was actually right about the QB play. Being a 2nd year coach and having to come to that conclusion about a guy who has been in town as long as Eli has and has the resume - it was a battle he couldn't win unless he had an actual option to go to instead. Geno Smith was not that option.
That said - his offense without Coughlin here seemed woefully ineffective. His play calling was terrible. His play design often lacked creativity or variation.
I think Benny is going to get another job in this league at some point. Not a HC job, but I think he'll get a shot as a coordinator or at worst, a positional coach to work his way back up.
Just have to laugh at our luck sometimes...
The one freaking outlier year we've had since 2012 is the one that cost us a realistic shot at Patrick Mahomes.
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McAdoo did make Texas Tech his first pro day visit and met privately with Mahomes the day before the workout.
That did a lot to associate him with Mahomes and plausibly so.
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That can't be correct. BBI tells me its easy to trade up and get a franchise qb anytime you feel like it.
In all seriousness, I think this displays the difficulty in acquiring a franchise qb when you are out of range.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
Yeah, um I'd do that trade every single day and anyone that wouldn't STILL doesn't get the simple fact that there is no more important position on the football field than the QB. Oh, and throw in the fact thatr TE, RB, & LB are so far down that list and it's really a no brainer to me.
McAdoo is unfairly maligned around here.
And indeed he wanted Mahomes but the morons running Jints Central for some inexplicable reason saw more value in a TE. What a house of horrors this organization is. This topic really bothers me because at least one person, McAdoo, had the foresight to see how special Mahomes was...
I don't know if the play calling is quite as bad now - it's the execution that isn't there and it's constantly taking checkdowns when an additional second or two may see something open up further down the field.
I think Shurmur's play design is a little bit better and more varied but obviously the results just aren't there.
The common issue with both coaches is that they know we are having trouble throwing the football, yet, neither made enough of an attempt to establish the run.
We're actually dead last in the league in rushing attempts this year, yet we have arguably the best RB in the sport. That doesn't quite add up.
We're 9th in YPC. We should be committing to the run more than we are. Mix Gallman in more if need be and give him more carries to take a little of the onus off Saquon if they don't want to keep banging him between the tackles.
This guy needs to pump the brakes on the biggest short coming in franchise history...
At least Shurmur switches it up. Now, if he could stick to the run a little more on 2nd and medium...
Yeah, um I'd do that trade every single day and anyone that wouldn't STILL doesn't get the simple fact that there is no more important position on the football field than the QB. Oh, and throw in the fact thatr TE, RB, & LB are so far down that list and it's really a no brainer to me.
Then you would make a horrific GM. Mahomes aint doing shit on this team. He is a very nice players whose flaws are still pretty prevelant.
Playing under reid, and throwing to Kelce/Hill/Watkins/Hunt is a luxury no other QB in the league has right now. His OL has been dominant as well. Throw Mahomes here with this shitbird teams and you would see MASSIVE growing pains.
It would be him and OBJ with no OL, no run game, and no TE. Yeah - no thanks on that.
Sure, Macadoo had more foresight on Eli/Mahomes than others did. Though let's not forget, it would have taken a significant trade up to have a chance to get Mahomes. But let's give him credit for that.
It doesn't outweigh the fact that he was a petulant person who completely lost the locker room, according to Kim Jones refused to communicate directly with certain players, and ran the most predictable offense in the league which didn't crack 30 points during his entire tenure.
McAdoo was an awful head coach and he was ahead of the game on Eli. Both things can be true.
1. The offense under him as an OC statistically was great, so he was able to get something from the roster.
2. Reese's firing was long over due so a personnel problem I can't fault a new HC for.
3. Did Mac even *really* get a chance to hire his assistant coaches? I believe he was forced by ownership to keep Spags, Quinn and promote Sully.
* I might be wrong here, but I think Sully even admitted to not knowing the WCO
4. Someone was going to take the fall for the Eli situation, I think the fan backlash led to ownership firing Mac as the fall guy (even though they reportedly were on board with moving on from Eli)
Who knows who he might have brought in as assistants, but I don't think those 3 would have been his choice.
That being said, I think he probably needed at least another year as an OC -- but he had a lot of things stacked against him to begin with. Has PS taken over this team and started winning? I think that has more to do with the complete lack of a solid roster than either Mac or PS or and HC really deserves. It's going to be 2-3 years, IMO before the Giants are competitive.
Unfortunately for Giants Mahomes was mid to late first rounder then his stock started to surge leading up to the draft - noway we were trading up for him
remember Giants were playoff team so the view was take team to next level not rebuild
Ironically if Giants were able to take Mahomes then Eli benching would have been completely different starting Geno would have been justified for protecting our first round future QB and McAdoo probably gets another year here
Honestly, I think Shurmur's hands are tied. What do you expect him to do? The Giants have a bunch of players who probably don't even belong on an NFL roster, much less starting. This is a shit show of epic proportions and there is too much pressure being put on the head coach to fix it in on season. Many of us on here knew this would be several years. This team is THAT bad, and there are just too many holes. I'm just wondering if Shurmur is going to have the balls to make the necessary change at QB. The season is over. Cut Alex Tanney, bring in some more young guys to evaluate and start giving Lauletta the 1st team reps in practice.
Everyone blames the O line for the demise of the passing game, so maybe having an athletic, mobile QB can help. Maybe we will realize early on that there is no future for Lauletta. Maybe he will surprise everyone and be another Russell Wilson. Maybe not. It's time to find out what we've got to build on.
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Our 2017 and 2018 first round picks and probably our 3rd from last year.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
Yeah, um I'd do that trade every single day and anyone that wouldn't STILL doesn't get the simple fact that there is no more important position on the football field than the QB. Oh, and throw in the fact thatr TE, RB, & LB are so far down that list and it's really a no brainer to me.
Lets just assume that was the cost, yeah, who wouldn't do that? That would have been a steal for Mahomes
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Our 2017 and 2018 first round picks and probably our 3rd from last year.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
Yeah, um I'd do that trade every single day and anyone that wouldn't STILL doesn't get the simple fact that there is no more important position on the football field than the QB. Oh, and throw in the fact thatr TE, RB, & LB are so far down that list and it's really a no brainer to me.
Lets just assume that was the cost, yeah, who wouldn't do that? That would have been a steal for Mahomes
Any sane GM when your team has as many holes as this team does. Barkley, Engram, and Hill is a quite a haul.
People annoint Mahommes as the next big thing. Mahommes withourt Reid, Hill, Kelce, Hunt, and Watkins is a totally different animal.
McAddo was a shit head coach. He lost control of the locker room and ran a terribly predictable offense. Yes, he may have been ahead of the game with Eli, but a broken clock is correct twice a day. Let's not forget that he benched Eli in favor of GENO SMITH, a guy who had a slightly better chance than me at being the long-term quarterback for the Giants.
1. The offense under him as an OC statistically was great, so he was able to get something from the roster.
2. Reese's firing was long over due so a personnel problem I can't fault a new HC for.
3. Did Mac even *really* get a chance to hire his assistant coaches? I believe he was forced by ownership to keep Spags, Quinn and promote Sully.
* I might be wrong here, but I think Sully even admitted to not knowing the WCO
4. Someone was going to take the fall for the Eli situation, I think the fan backlash led to ownership firing Mac as the fall guy (even though they reportedly were on board with moving on from Eli)
Who knows who he might have brought in as assistants, but I don't think those 3 would have been his choice.
That being said, I think he probably needed at least another year as an OC -- but he had a lot of things stacked against him to begin with. Has PS taken over this team and started winning? I think that has more to do with the complete lack of a solid roster than either Mac or PS or and HC really deserves. It's going to be 2-3 years, IMO before the Giants are competitive.
Dep you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. And if you polled 32 GM's you'd get 32 GM's who would make that trade in a heartbeat. The sample size is still small but Mahomes looks like a generational talent. He needs to improve his accuracy on the deep ball somewhat (he overthrew a few guys deep against the Pats) and improve his footwork but if he's this good in his first season as a starter, the sky is the limit.
And btw, I do agree with you about Reid's system making it easier on him but if you don't think he would elevate our team then you simply don't understand what you're watching. We wouldn't be a 1-5 team with Mahomes under center (even without Barkley, Engram, and Carter).
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He isnt even the best player in the deal.
Dep you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. And if you polled 32 GM's you'd get 32 GM's who would make that trade in a heartbeat. The sample size is still small but Mahomes looks like a generational talent. He needs to improve his accuracy on the deep ball somewhat (he overthrew a few guys deep against the Pats) and improve his footwork but if he's this good in his first season as a starter, the sky is the limit.
And btw, I do agree with you about Reid's system making it easier on him but if you don't think he would elevate our team then you simply don't understand what you're watching. We wouldn't be a 1-5 team with Mahomes under center (even without Barkley, Engram, and Carter).
Unless Mahomes knows how to block, its all irrelevant. Youre telling me he is going to make this offense better with no run game and 1 reliable WR and no OLine?
You are absolutely insane.
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He isnt even the best player in the deal.
Dep you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. And if you polled 32 GM's you'd get 32 GM's who would make that trade in a heartbeat. The sample size is still small but Mahomes looks like a generational talent. He needs to improve his accuracy on the deep ball somewhat (he overthrew a few guys deep against the Pats) and improve his footwork but if he's this good in his first season as a starter, the sky is the limit.
And btw, I do agree with you about Reid's system making it easier on him but if you don't think he would elevate our team then you simply don't understand what you're watching. We wouldn't be a 1-5 team with Mahomes under center (even without Barkley, Engram, and Carter).
Unless Mahomes knows how to block, its all irrelevant. Youre telling me he is going to make this offense better with no run game and 1 reliable WR and no OLine?
You are absolutely insane.
Yep Dep, that's exactly what I'm saying. He can make plays with his feet, throws on the run, avoid the rush and elevate the play of the players around him. Again, not sure how you don't see that.
He plays on the most loaded offense in the NFL. Saying those guys dont make him better is just foolish.
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KC went from 27 to 10.
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KC went from 27 to 10.
Gave up two firsts and a 3rd. So the package would be quite similar if we were to. Maybe a 4th instead of a 3rd.
Unless Mahomes knows how to block, its all irrelevant. Youre telling me he is going to make this offense better with no run game and 1 reliable WR and no OLine?
You are absolutely insane.
With Mahomes, we are making a helluva lot more plays down field. If you can't see that than you need to start watching KC games...And I might say we have at least 1 more W.
And his relationships with players made Tom Coughlins early run as Giants coach look like he was the best players coach ever.
That is utter bullsh-t. He got hoodwinked by that two-faced John Mara.
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Unless Mahomes knows how to block, its all irrelevant. Youre telling me he is going to make this offense better with no run game and 1 reliable WR and no OLine?
You are absolutely insane.
With Mahomes, we are making a helluva lot more plays down field. If you can't see that than you need to start watching KC games...And I might say we have at least 1 more W.
With a team that has so many holes, I love how people can speak of definites when comparing what a player can do on another team.
Would teams stop playing cover 2 leading to all these downfield plays?
And his relationships with players made Tom Coughlins early run as Giants coach look like he was the best players coach ever.
I don't know how great he was, but he took the Giants to their one winning season in what will be the last 7 years.
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got fired cause he couldnt coach.... period.
And his relationships with players made Tom Coughlins early run as Giants coach look like he was the best players coach ever.
I don't know how great he was, but he took the Giants to their one winning season in what will be the last 7 years.
Did he or the 200 million dollar defense Reese gave him?
Apparently, we shouldn't look for a new QB until we have a good OLine. So, just draft lineman until you find an entire good line, then draft a QB years later until you know that line is solid/good.
Sound strategy, eh?
Yes it would be better, because Eli is clearly done. Does it mean we would have more wins? I cant go there. People keep insisting we would make more plays downfield - forgetting the fact that teams would still play us cover 2. So there would still be 2 safeties deep to prevent that. Our running game would be far, far worse.
What Mahommes is doing is fantastic, hes been amazing this year. However, switiching him to the Giants doesnt guarantee the same results or anything close to it. He extends plays but he isnt really a runner unless its wide open. He would do a much better job of avoiding sacks - but he would be seeing more and more people hit him.
People keep making this about its all Eli's fault is missing the forest from the trees. Replacing Eli needs to be done. But there is a ton more too.
So would I trade a future all-pro RB and a pro-bowl TE for a QB? No I would not.
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You honestly think Mahomes skill set wouldn't make us more productive offensively?
Apparently, we shouldn't look for a new QB until we have a good OLine. So, just draft lineman until you find an entire good line, then draft a QB years later until you know that line is solid/good.
Sound strategy, eh?
Being that I wanted to draft Darnold, I am sure you arent insinuating this is me.
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You honestly think Mahomes skill set wouldn't make us more productive offensively?
Apparently, we shouldn't look for a new QB until we have a good OLine. So, just draft lineman until you find an entire good line, then draft a QB years later until you know that line is solid/good.
Sound strategy, eh?
Worked out really well for the Colts, huh? Luck is amazing and his team will never go anywhere.
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You honestly think Mahomes skill set wouldn't make us more productive offensively?
Apparently, we shouldn't look for a new QB until we have a good OLine. So, just draft lineman until you find an entire good line, then draft a QB years later until you know that line is solid/good.
Sound strategy, eh?
Being that I wanted to draft Darnold, I am sure you arent insinuating this is me.
There are other idiots on this board who I've seen parrot that shit on here.
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You honestly think Mahomes skill set wouldn't make us more productive offensively?
So would I trade a future all-pro RB and a pro-bowl TE for a QB? No I would not.
IMO yes, but there also isnt any evidence what-so-ever Engram will be a pro-bowl TE.
There are other idiots on this board who I've seen parrot that shit on here.
Lets put it this way.... if DG thinks Herbert is the goods. You take him number 1 in 2019. If not, load up on the offensive line and look forward to 2020.
IMO yes, but there also isnt any evidence what-so-ever Engram will be a pro-bowl TE.
He should have been last year, and has shown the skills to put up nig numbers in a functional offense.
Mahomes got drafted into the absolute nut spot. Sick offensive scheme, a year to learn, under a coach w the best resume developing QBs in the league.
Having the right scheme and staff is just as important as getting the right QB.
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You honestly think Mahomes skill set wouldn't make us more productive offensively?
Apparently, we shouldn't look for a new QB until we have a good OLine. So, just draft lineman until you find an entire good line, then draft a QB years later until you know that line is solid/good.
Sound strategy, eh?
Worked out really well for the Colts, huh? Luck is amazing and his team will never go anywhere.
Luck was drafted into a franchise that was just as inept as the Giants are right now. It takes extreme incompetence to foul up drafting an excellent young QB. And even with that extreme incompetence he's carried that team to a .500 record in the playoffs when they had zero right to be there.
Let's not forget that it wasn't just benching Eli that caused him to be Un liked in NY. It was also the idiotic choice to start Geno over Davis Webb which truly no one could understand.
Now that the next coach and GM came along and determined that Webb isn't even worth a roster spot, why do we still need to call this idiotic?
Mahomes got drafted into the absolute nut spot. Sick offensive scheme, a year to learn, under a coach w the best resume developing QBs in the league.
Having the right scheme and staff is just as important as getting the right QB.
Sorry, Mahomes isn't just a plug and play QB that is just another cog in Reid's system.
If so, why did Reid jettison Alex Smith?
He plays on the most loaded offense in the NFL. Saying those guys dont make him better is just foolish.
This. Who knows what Mahomes would be here, but odds are he'd suck because he'd be running the McAdoo offense with Flowers and Hart as his tackles.
Handley was said to be a brilliant football mind too.
Awful head coach.
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Anyone who thinks Mahomes would be lighting it up under McAdoo w Reese building the roster is insane.
Mahomes got drafted into the absolute nut spot. Sick offensive scheme, a year to learn, under a coach w the best resume developing QBs in the league.
Having the right scheme and staff is just as important as getting the right QB.
Sorry, Mahomes isn't just a plug and play QB that is just another cog in Reid's system.
If so, why did Reid jettison Alex Smith?
Cause alex Smith isn’t good.
Cause alex Smith isn’t good.
Smith is good, but he's limited. Mahomes bring another, unteachable dimension. A dimension that would help elevate any offense - like ours for instance.
KC has been a perennial playoff team since Andy Reid took over. They have a lot of talent on both offense and defense. Alex Smith was making them look damn good last year until he did what Alex Smith always does. The only thing KC has been missing for the last few years is a QB who can play in a shoot out and can play from behind, which is what PM can do. Let's stop acting like KC sucked until he got there.
Now, if you traded for PM, assuming they agreed. We lose Barkly, Hill and Engram on a team that already has a lot of holes. You're overrating him too soon and not realizing how far off we really are.
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"That said - his offense without Coughlin here seemed woefully ineffective. His play calling was terrible. His play design often lacked creativity or variation. "
I don't know if the play calling is quite as bad now - it's the execution that isn't there and it's constantly taking checkdowns when an additional second or two may see something open up further down the field.
I think Shurmur's play design is a little bit better and more varied but obviously the results just aren't there.
The common issue with both coaches is that they know we are having trouble throwing the football, yet, neither made enough of an attempt to establish the run.
We're actually dead last in the league in rushing attempts this year, yet we have arguably the best RB in the sport. That doesn't quite add up.
We're 9th in YPC. We should be committing to the run more than we are. Mix Gallman in more if need be and give him more carries to take a little of the onus off Saquon if they don't want to keep banging him between the tackles.
Mahomes got drafted into the absolute nut spot. Sick offensive scheme, a year to learn, under a coach w the best resume developing QBs in the league.
Having the right scheme and staff is just as important as getting the right QB.
Insane is being kind. Moronic McAdoo is a joke. Will be lucky to get another OC job ever again
And for the record, I was calling for McAdoo to be gone long before Eli was benched. I don't care that he wanted to bench Eli. I do, however, care, that he replaced him with Geno fucking Smith and seemingly lied to management.
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Anyone who thinks Mahomes would be lighting it up under McAdoo w Reese building the roster is insane.
Mahomes got drafted into the absolute nut spot. Sick offensive scheme, a year to learn, under a coach w the best resume developing QBs in the league.
Having the right scheme and staff is just as important as getting the right QB.
Sorry, Mahomes isn't just a plug and play QB that is just another cog in Reid's system.
If so, why did Reid jettison Alex Smith?
Reid resurrected Vick’s career from the dead as well as Smith’s. It’s an absolute fact he gets the ceiling out of his QBs.
I never said Mahomes is plug and play. I’m saying you’re a fool if you think McAdoo could get similar production in his trash scheme with Reese building a garbage roster around him.
The bigger reason that Reese may not have made the trade is because he screwed up so many drafts, that he needed the picks to attempt to fix his past mistakes.
McAdoo was a coach in over his head. Just because he liked a player doesn't all the sudden make his a great coach in retrospect. I am pretty sure some posters on this board wanted Mahones as well--not sure I want them coaching the team either. He botched handling Manning from the start. He lost my respect when he continually throw Manning under the bus in his press confrences but not other players more deserving. He had an agenda. It is fine if he thought the Giants needed to move on from Manning, but his handling of the whole situation showed a disrepect for what Manning meant to the Giants and his inexperience as a leader.
You can't have it both ways. Frankly I think the Roster isn't that bad (less injuries that ravaged the team a year ago) - coaching is the bigger issue - see the Rams with McVay ve Fischer.
So far I've been unimpressed with both OC and DC. Until they get a good HC, OC and DC - will need a top QB to overcome that.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
If you would have came to me today and said will you trade Engram and Barkley for Mahomes, I would do it in a split second. Mahomes is going to the best qb in football for the next decade and it really isn't close between him and some of the younger guys below him, including Goff, Wentz, etc.
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Our 2017 and 2018 first round picks and probably our 3rd from last year.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
If you would have came to me today and said will you trade Engram and Barkley for Mahomes, I would do it in a split second. Mahomes is going to the best qb in football for the next decade and it really isn't close between him and some of the younger guys below him, including Goff, Wentz, etc.
6 games. Reminder that after 6 games last year Alex Smith was the MVP of the league.
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Our 2017 and 2018 first round picks and probably our 3rd from last year.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
If you would have came to me today and said will you trade Engram and Barkley for Mahomes, I would do it in a split second. Mahomes is going to the best qb in football for the next decade and it really isn't close between him and some of the younger guys below him, including Goff, Wentz, etc.
and wouldn't that mean not having Webb as opposed to Hill or Carter?
So really its Barkley and Engram for Mahomes
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Our 2017 and 2018 first round picks and probably our 3rd from last year.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
If you would have came to me today and said will you trade Engram and Barkley for Mahomes, I would do it in a split second. Mahomes is going to the best qb in football for the next decade and it really isn't close between him and some of the younger guys below him, including Goff, Wentz, etc.
6 games. Reminder that after 6 games last year Alex Smith was the MVP of the league.
I am ok with taking the risk at this point. I get that things could change, but teams give up their draft based on watching a player play in a level below the pros; after six games, not only do the results show great promise, but most importantly, the eye test shows that this is the next "it" QB. I would make that trade in a second.
They gambled he would be available at their pick, and were ok with picking Engram otherwise. Chiefs traded up out of nowhere to get Mahomes.
McAdoo might have been dead on about the kid, but he also earned his pink slip along with Reese.
Focus on finding the next Mahomes in the draft...
Focus on finding the next Mahomes in the draft...
I think McAdoo got a bad rap here, including from me. He was wide eyed and honest about our most important position. I didn't like it at the time and I still think benching Eli for Geno was idiotic, but in the main McAdoo was right about Eli and sought to change that. His owners knew about that and cut him loose or threw him under the bus because of it. Was he abrasive? Yes. Was his offense to one-dimensional? Yes Was he Vince Lombardi? No. But,, you also have to be fair to the evidence and the evidence was that he diagnosed the problem correctly. It is aslo obvious he was not ok with Flowers. Before this season when they asked him how they thought the right side move would work, he was like can he "bend" on the right side better than the left side. The only difference, according to McAdoo, was that Eli would be able to see it now. So, my point is that McAdoo should never be confused with the coach whose name shall not be mentioned around here. If we did draft Mahomes and he replaced Eli with Mahomes last season, McAdoo is probably still the coach here and who knows how that would have ended. I thought he did a good to great job with little talent in 2016, a bad job with worse talent in 2017 (including the injuries). But never forget he lost his job primarily because the owner threw him under the bus on the Manning debacle.
The Kansas City Chiefs selected Mahomes in the first round (10th overall) in the 2017 NFL Draft.[42] The Buffalo Bills traded the 10th overall pick to the Chiefs for their first round pick (27th) , third round pick, and the Chiefs' first round pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.
The New York Giants picked #23 in the first round (selecting Evan Engram).
None of the 2018 draft QBs was the equal of Mahomes (41 TDs/10 INTs at Texas Tech in 2006). Andy Reid knew it and so did McAdoo, THAT was the year to go after that elusive "Franchise QB). Reese blew it, big-time; I remember time very well.
There were more than a few BBIers (including me that begged for Mahomes). Just think what this team would be like - Mahomes, OBJ, Barkley on the field at the SAME time !!
The Kansas City Chiefs selected Mahomes in the first round (10th overall) in the 2017 NFL Draft.[42] The Buffalo Bills traded the 10th overall pick to the Chiefs for their first round pick (27th) , third round pick, and the Chiefs' first round pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.
The New York Giants picked #23 in the first round (selecting Evan Engram).
None of the 2018 draft QBs was the equal of Mahomes (41 TDs/10 INTs at Texas Tech in 2006). Andy Reid knew it and so did McAdoo, THAT was the year to go after that elusive "Franchise QB). Reese blew it, big-time; I remember time very well.
There were more than a few BBIers (including me that begged for Mahomes). Just think what this team would be like - Mahomes, OBJ, Barkley on the field at the SAME time !!
well we would have to give up our 2018 #1 to get him so no barkley
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
it's a QB driven league; so for me it's yes.
The Kansas City Chiefs selected Mahomes in the first round (10th overall) in the 2017 NFL Draft.[42] The Buffalo Bills traded the 10th overall pick to the Chiefs for their first round pick (27th) , third round pick, and the Chiefs' first round pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.
The New York Giants picked #23 in the first round (selecting Evan Engram).
None of the 2018 draft QBs was the equal of Mahomes (41 TDs/10 INTs at Texas Tech in 2006). Andy Reid knew it and so did McAdoo, THAT was the year to go after that elusive "Franchise QB). Reese blew it, big-time; I remember time very well.
There were more than a few BBIers (including me that begged for Mahomes). Just think what this team would be like - Mahomes, OBJ, Barkley on the field at the SAME time !!
Um, how are they getting Barkley in your scenario?
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
Are you kidding? If the Chiefs offered us Mahomes for Engram, Barkley, Hill, and Carter I'd happily pack their bags.
Only Giants coach to have a winning season in the last 7 years. What does that say about the other two?
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Our 2017 and 2018 first round picks and probably our 3rd from last year.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
Are you kidding? If the Chiefs offered us Mahomes for Engram, Barkley, Hill, and Carter I'd happily pack their bags.
You’re even further away from a rebuild. Getting rid of 3 quality players for 1 player at a position where he is doomed to fail is bad football.
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In comment 14130958 dep026 said:
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Our 2017 and 2018 first round picks and probably our 3rd from last year.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
Are you kidding? If the Chiefs offered us Mahomes for Engram, Barkley, Hill, and Carter I'd happily pack their bags.
You’re even further away from a rebuild. Getting rid of 3 quality players for 1 player at a position where he is doomed to fail is bad football.
I don't think you're operating in reality.
If that’s a recipe for success..... then we will agree to disagree.
If that’s a recipe for success..... then we will agree to disagree.
A mobile young quarterback with a cannon to throw in the move is a good start. I agree our line sucks, but Mahomes would be a lot more effective behind it than Eli has been.
If that’s a recipe for success..... then we will agree to disagree.
That's a very short term view.
Eli wasn't a success when he took over.
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We would have no OLine, Wayne gallman, Rhett Ellison and a shitty defense with a young QB.
If that’s a recipe for success..... then we will agree to disagree.
A mobile young quarterback with a cannon to throw in the move is a good start. I agree our line sucks, but Mahomes would be a lot more effective behind it than Eli has been.
I am not disagreeing he would give us the opportunity to make more plays. But it would give us more holes to fill hence why I think the rebuild would be longer.
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We would have no OLine, Wayne gallman, Rhett Ellison and a shitty defense with a young QB.
If that’s a recipe for success..... then we will agree to disagree.
That's a very short term view.
Eli wasn't a success when he took over.
Actually it’s the long term view. Trading away quality players for one player makes a rebuild longer.
Plus you guys are assuming success based of what he has done at KC.
I dont get it
thats why you make the trade - are we talking past each other?
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especially Barkley. Finding a quarterback like Mahomes could take decades.
thats why you make the trade - are we talking past each other?
nevermind this post - got you mixed up with Dep. We are saying the same thing
Goff
Watson
Wentz
Wilson
Seem like it doesn’t take decades to find the hot new QB. Again you’re assuming he would have the same chance to succeed here than he has in KC.
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especially Barkley. Finding a quarterback like Mahomes could take decades.
Goff
Watson
Wentz
Wilson
Seem like it doesn’t take decades to find the hot new QB. Again you’re assuming he would have the same chance to succeed here than he has in KC.
in this scenario, he is the same player. Success might not have come as quickly but he would still have the same skills.
And please save me the David Carr syndrome shit. Good players will rise above adversity.
5 years is an eternity in todays NFL