Guys, let me preface to say if this was posted, I am so sorry. I did a quick search and couldn't find this. I'll delete with apologies if I missed an earlier thread.
Given our current situation at QB and how loathed McAdoo was by many, I thought this was curious. I don't know the validity of this although the article cites Anita Marks. I am not privy to any inside info but if this was true, it certainly feels like a missed opportunity. Keep in mind, I am not saying we'd be the Chiefs but the QB position would be a lesser concern.
| With all that is going on in Giants world regarding their current quarterback situation, Ben McAdoo, of all people, was once a big proponent of the team drafting quarterback Patrick Mahomes. |
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We were even rumored to have tried to trade up for him as well.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
more than 13 spots as KC wouldn't have traded with us
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As time goes on, it's starting to look like he was actually right about the QB play. Being a 2nd year coach and having to come to that conclusion about a guy who has been in town as long as Eli has and has the resume - it was a battle he couldn't win unless he had an actual option to go to instead. Geno Smith was not that option.
That said - his offense without Coughlin here seemed woefully ineffective. His play calling was terrible. His play design often lacked creativity or variation.
I think Benny is going to get another job in this league at some point. Not a HC job, but I think he'll get a shot as a coordinator or at worst, a positional coach to work his way back up.
Just have to laugh at our luck sometimes...
The one freaking outlier year we've had since 2012 is the one that cost us a realistic shot at Patrick Mahomes.
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McAdoo did make Texas Tech his first pro day visit and met privately with Mahomes the day before the workout.
That did a lot to associate him with Mahomes and plausibly so.
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That can't be correct. BBI tells me its easy to trade up and get a franchise qb anytime you feel like it.
In all seriousness, I think this displays the difficulty in acquiring a franchise qb when you are out of range.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
Yeah, um I'd do that trade every single day and anyone that wouldn't STILL doesn't get the simple fact that there is no more important position on the football field than the QB. Oh, and throw in the fact thatr TE, RB, & LB are so far down that list and it's really a no brainer to me.
McAdoo is unfairly maligned around here.
And indeed he wanted Mahomes but the morons running Jints Central for some inexplicable reason saw more value in a TE. What a house of horrors this organization is. This topic really bothers me because at least one person, McAdoo, had the foresight to see how special Mahomes was...
I don't know if the play calling is quite as bad now - it's the execution that isn't there and it's constantly taking checkdowns when an additional second or two may see something open up further down the field.
I think Shurmur's play design is a little bit better and more varied but obviously the results just aren't there.
The common issue with both coaches is that they know we are having trouble throwing the football, yet, neither made enough of an attempt to establish the run.
We're actually dead last in the league in rushing attempts this year, yet we have arguably the best RB in the sport. That doesn't quite add up.
We're 9th in YPC. We should be committing to the run more than we are. Mix Gallman in more if need be and give him more carries to take a little of the onus off Saquon if they don't want to keep banging him between the tackles.
This guy needs to pump the brakes on the biggest short coming in franchise history...
At least Shurmur switches it up. Now, if he could stick to the run a little more on 2nd and medium...
Yeah, um I'd do that trade every single day and anyone that wouldn't STILL doesn't get the simple fact that there is no more important position on the football field than the QB. Oh, and throw in the fact thatr TE, RB, & LB are so far down that list and it's really a no brainer to me.
Then you would make a horrific GM. Mahomes aint doing shit on this team. He is a very nice players whose flaws are still pretty prevelant.
Playing under reid, and throwing to Kelce/Hill/Watkins/Hunt is a luxury no other QB in the league has right now. His OL has been dominant as well. Throw Mahomes here with this shitbird teams and you would see MASSIVE growing pains.
It would be him and OBJ with no OL, no run game, and no TE. Yeah - no thanks on that.
Sure, Macadoo had more foresight on Eli/Mahomes than others did. Though let's not forget, it would have taken a significant trade up to have a chance to get Mahomes. But let's give him credit for that.
It doesn't outweigh the fact that he was a petulant person who completely lost the locker room, according to Kim Jones refused to communicate directly with certain players, and ran the most predictable offense in the league which didn't crack 30 points during his entire tenure.
McAdoo was an awful head coach and he was ahead of the game on Eli. Both things can be true.
1. The offense under him as an OC statistically was great, so he was able to get something from the roster.
2. Reese's firing was long over due so a personnel problem I can't fault a new HC for.
3. Did Mac even *really* get a chance to hire his assistant coaches? I believe he was forced by ownership to keep Spags, Quinn and promote Sully.
* I might be wrong here, but I think Sully even admitted to not knowing the WCO
4. Someone was going to take the fall for the Eli situation, I think the fan backlash led to ownership firing Mac as the fall guy (even though they reportedly were on board with moving on from Eli)
Who knows who he might have brought in as assistants, but I don't think those 3 would have been his choice.
That being said, I think he probably needed at least another year as an OC -- but he had a lot of things stacked against him to begin with. Has PS taken over this team and started winning? I think that has more to do with the complete lack of a solid roster than either Mac or PS or and HC really deserves. It's going to be 2-3 years, IMO before the Giants are competitive.
Unfortunately for Giants Mahomes was mid to late first rounder then his stock started to surge leading up to the draft - noway we were trading up for him
remember Giants were playoff team so the view was take team to next level not rebuild
Ironically if Giants were able to take Mahomes then Eli benching would have been completely different starting Geno would have been justified for protecting our first round future QB and McAdoo probably gets another year here
Honestly, I think Shurmur's hands are tied. What do you expect him to do? The Giants have a bunch of players who probably don't even belong on an NFL roster, much less starting. This is a shit show of epic proportions and there is too much pressure being put on the head coach to fix it in on season. Many of us on here knew this would be several years. This team is THAT bad, and there are just too many holes. I'm just wondering if Shurmur is going to have the balls to make the necessary change at QB. The season is over. Cut Alex Tanney, bring in some more young guys to evaluate and start giving Lauletta the 1st team reps in practice.
Everyone blames the O line for the demise of the passing game, so maybe having an athletic, mobile QB can help. Maybe we will realize early on that there is no future for Lauletta. Maybe he will surprise everyone and be another Russell Wilson. Maybe not. It's time to find out what we've got to build on.
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Our 2017 and 2018 first round picks and probably our 3rd from last year.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
Yeah, um I'd do that trade every single day and anyone that wouldn't STILL doesn't get the simple fact that there is no more important position on the football field than the QB. Oh, and throw in the fact thatr TE, RB, & LB are so far down that list and it's really a no brainer to me.
Lets just assume that was the cost, yeah, who wouldn't do that? That would have been a steal for Mahomes
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Our 2017 and 2018 first round picks and probably our 3rd from last year.
So Mahomes minus Engram/Barkley/Hill or Carter?
Yeah, um... no.
Yeah, um I'd do that trade every single day and anyone that wouldn't STILL doesn't get the simple fact that there is no more important position on the football field than the QB. Oh, and throw in the fact thatr TE, RB, & LB are so far down that list and it's really a no brainer to me.
Lets just assume that was the cost, yeah, who wouldn't do that? That would have been a steal for Mahomes
Any sane GM when your team has as many holes as this team does. Barkley, Engram, and Hill is a quite a haul.
People annoint Mahommes as the next big thing. Mahommes withourt Reid, Hill, Kelce, Hunt, and Watkins is a totally different animal.
McAddo was a shit head coach. He lost control of the locker room and ran a terribly predictable offense. Yes, he may have been ahead of the game with Eli, but a broken clock is correct twice a day. Let's not forget that he benched Eli in favor of GENO SMITH, a guy who had a slightly better chance than me at being the long-term quarterback for the Giants.
1. The offense under him as an OC statistically was great, so he was able to get something from the roster.
2. Reese's firing was long over due so a personnel problem I can't fault a new HC for.
3. Did Mac even *really* get a chance to hire his assistant coaches? I believe he was forced by ownership to keep Spags, Quinn and promote Sully.
* I might be wrong here, but I think Sully even admitted to not knowing the WCO
4. Someone was going to take the fall for the Eli situation, I think the fan backlash led to ownership firing Mac as the fall guy (even though they reportedly were on board with moving on from Eli)
Who knows who he might have brought in as assistants, but I don't think those 3 would have been his choice.
That being said, I think he probably needed at least another year as an OC -- but he had a lot of things stacked against him to begin with. Has PS taken over this team and started winning? I think that has more to do with the complete lack of a solid roster than either Mac or PS or and HC really deserves. It's going to be 2-3 years, IMO before the Giants are competitive.
Dep you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. And if you polled 32 GM's you'd get 32 GM's who would make that trade in a heartbeat. The sample size is still small but Mahomes looks like a generational talent. He needs to improve his accuracy on the deep ball somewhat (he overthrew a few guys deep against the Pats) and improve his footwork but if he's this good in his first season as a starter, the sky is the limit.
And btw, I do agree with you about Reid's system making it easier on him but if you don't think he would elevate our team then you simply don't understand what you're watching. We wouldn't be a 1-5 team with Mahomes under center (even without Barkley, Engram, and Carter).
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He isnt even the best player in the deal.
Dep you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. And if you polled 32 GM's you'd get 32 GM's who would make that trade in a heartbeat. The sample size is still small but Mahomes looks like a generational talent. He needs to improve his accuracy on the deep ball somewhat (he overthrew a few guys deep against the Pats) and improve his footwork but if he's this good in his first season as a starter, the sky is the limit.
And btw, I do agree with you about Reid's system making it easier on him but if you don't think he would elevate our team then you simply don't understand what you're watching. We wouldn't be a 1-5 team with Mahomes under center (even without Barkley, Engram, and Carter).
Unless Mahomes knows how to block, its all irrelevant. Youre telling me he is going to make this offense better with no run game and 1 reliable WR and no OLine?
You are absolutely insane.
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He isnt even the best player in the deal.
Dep you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. And if you polled 32 GM's you'd get 32 GM's who would make that trade in a heartbeat. The sample size is still small but Mahomes looks like a generational talent. He needs to improve his accuracy on the deep ball somewhat (he overthrew a few guys deep against the Pats) and improve his footwork but if he's this good in his first season as a starter, the sky is the limit.
And btw, I do agree with you about Reid's system making it easier on him but if you don't think he would elevate our team then you simply don't understand what you're watching. We wouldn't be a 1-5 team with Mahomes under center (even without Barkley, Engram, and Carter).
Unless Mahomes knows how to block, its all irrelevant. Youre telling me he is going to make this offense better with no run game and 1 reliable WR and no OLine?
You are absolutely insane.
Yep Dep, that's exactly what I'm saying. He can make plays with his feet, throws on the run, avoid the rush and elevate the play of the players around him. Again, not sure how you don't see that.
He plays on the most loaded offense in the NFL. Saying those guys dont make him better is just foolish.
IAEF
KC went from 27 to 10.
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KC went from 27 to 10.
Gave up two firsts and a 3rd. So the package would be quite similar if we were to. Maybe a 4th instead of a 3rd.
Unless Mahomes knows how to block, its all irrelevant. Youre telling me he is going to make this offense better with no run game and 1 reliable WR and no OLine?
You are absolutely insane.
With Mahomes, we are making a helluva lot more plays down field. If you can't see that than you need to start watching KC games...And I might say we have at least 1 more W.