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Giants should inquire about phins DeVante Parker

pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 10:54 am
Parker seemed on the verge of a breakout last year.

He began this year injured and now can't get back into the lineup.

He is 6' 3" 215 pounds and has a crazy wing span. Ran I believe a 4.45 40 at the combine.

Here is his NFL.com scouting report:

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Analysis

Strengths Consistently plays with outstanding body control. Soft hands and elite concentration are his calling cards. Credited with just three drops since 2012. Comfortable with a man on his hip. Maintains focus on downfield throws despite hand fighting and bumps. Daunting catch radius. Produces explosive plays without top-end speed. Works his way back to the ball and gets open during scrambles. Consistently high-points his catches and is a snatch-and-secure receiver. Recognizes when to adjust depth of routes over the middle. Has an innate feel for the position. Proved he could come back from injury and regain his form. Maximizes his catch window through body control, extended hands and positioning.

Weaknesses Linear and lacking ideal play strength. Has to prove he can beat a more physical brand of press coverage. Very average suddenness out of breaks. Routes are inconsistent and sometimes lack sharpness. Noticeably slower after returning from a broken bone in his foot in 2014. Lacks top-end speed. Quick-twitch corners could be his kryptonite. He was not put on this earth to run block.

NFL Comparison Hakeem Nicks

Bottom Line Parker won't win the NFL Scouting Combine, but he will win when the ball is in the air. With his height and an exceptional wingspan (80 inches), he consistently catches everything in his vicinity. Parker isn't going to overpower cornerbacks and he will have more contested catches than most explosive wideouts. Parker has consistently posted eye-popping yards-per-catch numbers during his time at Louisville. Parker needs time to get into his routes and his talents would be on full display in a West Coast passing attack.


I wouldn't give up a ton for him, Miami already exercised his 5th year option, but that's only guaranteed for injury and the Giants (or whoever) could cut him before 2019 roster year begins with no dead money or cap hit I believe.



Not a bad idea  
Anakim : 10/16/2018 10:55 am : link
But I don't want to give up any more draft picks. Dolphins are doing well this year, so perhaps they would trade Parker and a draft pick for one of our roster players.
RE: Not a bad idea  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 11:03 am : link
In comment 14131006 Anakim said:
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But I don't want to give up any more draft picks. Dolphins are doing well this year, so perhaps they would trade Parker and a draft pick for one of our roster players.


Should have traded Flowers for him, neither guys is playing.

If the Giants continue to lose offer Collins for Parker and a 3rd.
RE: RE: Not a bad idea  
Anakim : 10/16/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 14131029 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14131006 Anakim said:


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But I don't want to give up any more draft picks. Dolphins are doing well this year, so perhaps they would trade Parker and a draft pick for one of our roster players.



Should have traded Flowers for him, neither guys is playing.

If the Giants continue to lose offer Collins for Parker and a 3rd.


Haha, I think I proposed that exact trade.


Might as well throw Gareon Conley in the mix as well.
Yep that's what this team is lacking  
Josh in the City : 10/16/2018 11:06 am : link
...weapons for Eli.
RE: Yep that's what this team is lacking  
Anakim : 10/16/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 14131038 Josh in the City said:
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...weapons for Eli.


You know what BBI is not lacking?


Mouth-breathing pansies like you.
Why?  
bw in dc : 10/16/2018 11:08 am : link
So Eli has another quality receiver he can’t throw to? Or overthrow to? Or underthrow to? Or throw a 10 mph bubble screen to?

Parker has height  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 11:13 am : link
and an enormous wing span and can stretch the field, he would be an "audition" this year and if he does well the Giants can keep him for next year's QB.
RE: Why?  
JCin332 : 10/16/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 14131044 bw in dc said:
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So Eli has another quality receiver he can’t throw to? Or overthrow to? Or underthrow to? Or throw a 10 mph bubble screen to?


Wow you are just brutal...you and your dope OC1973...
Even if he lights up his audition  
AcesUp : 10/16/2018 11:18 am : link
He's a 4th year guy, are we going to sign another WR to a big money deal?

There's no end game in acquiring him and it's not like DeVante Parker is turning around 2018. We're a poor fit for this type of move.
RE: Even if he lights up his audition  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 14131062 AcesUp said:
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He's a 4th year guy, are we going to sign another WR to a big money deal?

There's no end game in acquiring him and it's not like DeVante Parker is turning around 2018. We're a poor fit for this type of move.


Dolphins already exercised his 5th year option. So, he'd be expensive for 2019, but it's just one year.

The 5th year option on the 13th overall isn't cheap  
AcesUp : 10/16/2018 11:22 am : link
And even if everything lines up and he lights it up, look at the WR market, he'll get big money. Look at the Watkins deal. Then look at how our roster is currently constructed and where we need to be focusing our resources. He's a bad bad fit.
5th year option  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 11:32 am : link
for Parker is $9.3M. So yes, it's expensive.

If you're not going to re-sign Collins, and you can get a 3rd and Parker for him, I think you do it.

If Parker sucks or you're not sure on him, then cut him, painlessly. no cap hit, no dead $$.

RE: Why?  
dep026 : 10/16/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 14131044 bw in dc said:
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So Eli has another quality receiver he can’t throw to? Or overthrow to? Or underthrow to? Or throw a 10 mph bubble screen to?


Holy fuck. You are one miserable person. Its not always about Eli.
No  
HomerJones45 : 10/16/2018 11:34 am : link
The flotsam and jetsam we have been featuring from the 3rd wr spot since Manningham left has served very well. Parker might demonstrate talent and competence and we'll have none of that here.
I like the thought  
giants#1 : 10/16/2018 11:37 am : link
but don't really see the big reward here since even if Parker looks good the rest of this year (big if in this offense), you still have to pay him so it's not like your getting a cost controlled asset.

If you want a big WR that hasn't lived up to expectations to gamble on, I'd look to MN and Treadwell. No clue what he'd cost or if Shurmur would even be interested (obviously he's very familiar with him).

Maybe Collins for Treadwell + 2nd round pick? Collins/Smith would be an awesome duo back there and Zimmer could do a lot with him.
I really like the idea of trading for Conley  
Anakim : 10/16/2018 11:37 am : link
Jackrabbit won't be here long-term, Apple is Apple, and Beal is a wild card.

Conley would be a really nice gamble
We don't have the luxury  
AcesUp : 10/16/2018 11:40 am : link
of spending a 10M dollar flier on the what would be the 4th or 5th option in the passing game when we have major holes at OL, pass rush and QB. Those are cornerstone of every franchise, which is why it costs so much in cap and draft capital to fix address those.

If you're suggesting acquiring him through a player trade with Collins, I'd rather have the draft capital. If Parker were on our roster, he'd be a prime candidate to trade away which is why it makes no sense to trade for him. There was a lot of snark on this thread earlier but it's not unwarranted, making a move for Parker would be repeating the same mistakes that got us into this mess in the first place.
LOL  
Keith : 10/16/2018 11:40 am : link
its not always about eli. Um, yeah, it kinda is. This sort of trade would make 0 sense considering the situation we are in. We should be jettisoning guys out, not trading for guys that will require a contract soon. Another WR would be a waste on this team. Eli can't seem to figure out how to get the ball to one of the best in the league and once he does, he'll have to get the ball to barkley, engram and shep too. Pass.
If Parker looks good  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 11:41 am : link
I tear up his 5th year option, and sign him to a 4 year 24M deal with $15M guaranteed.

Very affordable IMO, if Parker looks like 2017 Parker.

If not, you're getting a 3rd round pick back for Collins which is best case what you'd get as a comp pick.
No its not ALWAYS about Eli  
dep026 : 10/16/2018 11:42 am : link
Parker is a young WR still who does have a lot of potential. If they think he is worthy of an upgrade it will help whoever replaces Eli at the end of the year.
Parker is fucking awful  
YAJ2112 : 10/16/2018 11:43 am : link
no way would I give up even a 7th for him.
Part of the reason Eli can't get the ball  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 11:44 am : link
to Beckham is because Latimer was not a threat.

He was constantly single covered and rarely did the Giants look his way, allowing teams to double or in some cases triple Beckham.

Shepard helps only slightly b/c he's a slot receiver.

Parker would be a legit #2, and free up Beckham to an extent.

Whether Eli can get the ball to either of them is a question, but the trade risks little.

If you think you can trade Collins and get more than a 3rd round pick for him great, in my case I get a WR with upside I can audition for the rest of the season, and cut without any pain if he doesn't show enough, and a 3rd round pick.

I think I did well in that trade.
Our current situation  
Keith : 10/16/2018 11:44 am : link
is all about Eli. I get it, you love Eli and when you see anything negative about him, your instincts tell you to attack. Not everyone is an idiot who voices their opinion about Eli or the issues. You aren't right because you feel strongly about it. I think an average QB makes a huge difference on this team. I think the primary goal right now has to be replacing Eli and nothing else really matters until that's figured out. I think adding a WR who would be a 4th option and will require a new contract is about as dumb of an idea as I can imagine considering where we are as a team.
RE: Our current situation  
dep026 : 10/16/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 14131146 Keith said:
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is all about Eli. I get it, you love Eli and when you see anything negative about him, your instincts tell you to attack. Not everyone is an idiot who voices their opinion about Eli or the issues. You aren't right because you feel strongly about it. I think an average QB makes a huge difference on this team. I think the primary goal right now has to be replacing Eli and nothing else really matters until that's figured out. I think adding a WR who would be a 4th option and will require a new contract is about as dumb of an idea as I can imagine considering where we are as a team.


Your act is old. Did I even say I even wanted this player? Jesus Christ.

If the primary goal of this team is one thing - we are fucked for years. You can do more than one thing at a time. If a guy can be productive on a cheap contract for a few years - you should make it irregardless of Eli. You can still build a team while finding a replacement for Eli.

BBI is going to be a tough place to post because if we dont mention how Eli sucks or we need to replace Eli - then everything else is irrelevant.
RE: If Parker looks good  
AcesUp : 10/16/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 14131135 pjcas18 said:
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I tear up his 5th year option, and sign him to a 4 year 24M deal with $15M guaranteed.

Very affordable IMO, if Parker looks like 2017 Parker.

If not, you're getting a 3rd round pick back for Collins which is best case what you'd get as a comp pick.


If he tears up his option year he's in line for a similar deal to Sammy Watkins who got 15m/yr and 30m guaranteed. High upside, inconsistent WRs that flash get paid.

We have OBJ, Barkley and Engram locked in long term. You do not need anymore more big money or draft picks invested beyond those three at the skill position. Fix the OL and get a competent QB with those 3 and you will light it up.
Yuck.  
allstarjim : 10/16/2018 11:50 am : link
The guy is as fragile as uncooked spaghetti. He is always hurt, and he really hasn't done a whole lot when he's been healthy. I just don't see the logic in this, especially since this team is rebuilding and you don't rebuild by trading away anything of worth for an oft-injured WR who will be going into the last year of his deal before free agency.

This team may sign a mid-tier free agent WR in the offseason, that's fine. Perhaps someone like Jermaine Kearse who can stretch the field. Either that or use a 5th round pick for a WR, or both.
I'd take it a step further and trade Shep  
AcesUp : 10/16/2018 11:50 am : link
We need as much capital as possible to fix the OL, QB and pass rush. Those three things are difficult areas to fix.
I wouldnt mind signing  
dep026 : 10/16/2018 11:51 am : link
Parker in the offseason on a prove it deal. He's a lot better than Latimore.
RE: RE: If Parker looks good  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 14131161 AcesUp said:
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In comment 14131135 pjcas18 said:


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I tear up his 5th year option, and sign him to a 4 year 24M deal with $15M guaranteed.

Very affordable IMO, if Parker looks like 2017 Parker.

If not, you're getting a 3rd round pick back for Collins which is best case what you'd get as a comp pick.



If he tears up his option year he's in line for a similar deal to Sammy Watkins who got 15m/yr and 30m guaranteed. High upside, inconsistent WRs that flash get paid.

We have OBJ, Barkley and Engram locked in long term. You do not need anymore more big money or draft picks invested beyond those three at the skill position. Fix the OL and get a competent QB with those 3 and you will light it up.


Parker has two catches this year.

No one is giving him $48M.

Watkins had 8 TD's and was underutilized last year, with a much better pedigree before signing that contract.

The contract Albert Wilson signed is more like what Parker gets IMO (should he get cut and become a FA).

pjac  
AcesUp : 10/16/2018 11:57 am : link
You prefaced it by stating "if Parker tears it up". Watkins never "tore it up" and got that much money. WRs get paid, it's just a fact. Especially if they're seen as having untapped potential or just unlocking that potential. Sammy Watkins is actually the perfect benchmark for your hypothetical.
And with ALL of our needs  
AcesUp : 10/16/2018 12:02 pm : link
Big needs in expensive areas, you are suggesting allocating almost 10m of our 2019 cap + draft capital (through Collins or a pick) on a guy that has 2 catches this year and will be the 5th option in our passing game. Just think about that. Also think about what it will take to get a franchise QB, 1-2 pass rusher, 2-3 starting OL, a starting FS and on and on and on. So that is what is at the surface. I am ONLY arguing the best case scenario with you, the scenario where he has an amazing year.

Overly investing in the skill positions at the expense of other positions is how you end up a 3-13 and 1-5. You cannot address every need, so you have to prioritize.
No they shouldn't  
ZogZerg : 10/16/2018 12:09 pm : link
Giants should be the ones trading guys...
RE: And with ALL of our needs  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14131205 AcesUp said:
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Big needs in expensive areas, you are suggesting allocating almost 10m of our 2019 cap + draft capital (through Collins or a pick) on a guy that has 2 catches this year and will be the 5th option in our passing game. Just think about that. Also think about what it will take to get a franchise QB, 1-2 pass rusher, 2-3 starting OL, a starting FS and on and on and on. So that is what is at the surface. I am ONLY arguing the best case scenario with you, the scenario where he has an amazing year.

Overly investing in the skill positions at the expense of other positions is how you end up a 3-13 and 1-5. You cannot address every need, so you have to prioritize.


no, the Dolphins would send a draft pick to the Giants. so not sure what draft capital you're talking about the Giants would have to invest.

It's really a low risk trade IMO.

pj  
AcesUp : 10/16/2018 12:15 pm : link
You are foregoing other assets in the acquisition by taking on Parker in your hypothetical. He is costing you capital. The Dolphins won't be throwing him in out of the goodness of their hearts.

Zog nailed it. We are the team that should be trading away players, not acquiring them.
Then this trade would be perfect  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 12:23 pm : link
because the Giants are trading a player. Collins.

And they're getting draft picks back. a 3rd. Not sure they're getting better than a 3rd for Collins in any trade.

And they hold all the cards with Parker and can a) keep him on the 5th year option (one year commitment) b) cut him with 0 pain c) re-sign him to a new deal or d) trade him

it's literally no risk.

People are hung up on tangents and noise and I get it and some people can't comment on a suggestion without insulting people (not you acesup), and I don't care, it's just a suggestion and I think it's a worthwhile one to explore.

People have different opinions and I'm fine with that.
Exactly what the giants need to do  
Marvin Across The sea : 10/16/2018 12:44 pm : link
use another draft resource on offensive skill players.

Bc the three first rd picks we used on skill players in the last five years hasnt been enough. The david wilson pick wasnt enough either.

The second rd pick we used on Shepard wasnt enough nor was the second rd pick on randle.

The third rd picks spent on jernigan barden beckham werent enough either.

We need big men. On both sides of the ball. Shouldnt draf t a skill player for a few years.
RE: Exactly what the giants need to do  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14131333 Marvin Across The sea said:
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use another draft resource on offensive skill players.

Bc the three first rd picks we used on skill players in the last five years hasnt been enough. The david wilson pick wasnt enough either.

The second rd pick we used on Shepard wasnt enough nor was the second rd pick on randle.

The third rd picks spent on jernigan barden beckham werent enough either.

We need big men. On both sides of the ball. Shouldnt draf t a skill player for a few years.


Solid post Marvin. Because I suggested using a draft resource on a skill position player and I was wrong to do that.

wait, I did what?
Why?  
jeff57 : 10/16/2018 12:47 pm : link
Giants already don't have a third rounder.
I think he's going  
Metnut : 10/16/2018 1:01 pm : link
to still have a nice career but the Giants have much bigger problems at QB, OL and even DL before they can consider giving up assets for another WR.

If they wanted to be cute and try to get a 2nd or a 3rd for Shepard and go after Parker with a lower round pick, it would be a proactive and aggressive move that might make sense.
RE: Why?  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14131338 jeff57 said:
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Giants already don't have a third rounder.


Am I typing in backwards font?

the Giants are GETTING the 3rd round pick.
They have all the offensive weapons a team needs  
Rflairr : 10/16/2018 1:12 pm : link
And can’t score. What good is another WR if you have the same shitty QB
RE: Then this trade would be perfect  
allstarjim : 10/16/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14131273 pjcas18 said:
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because the Giants are trading a player. Collins.

And they're getting draft picks back. a 3rd. Not sure they're getting better than a 3rd for Collins in any trade.

And they hold all the cards with Parker and can a) keep him on the 5th year option (one year commitment) b) cut him with 0 pain c) re-sign him to a new deal or d) trade him

it's literally no risk.

People are hung up on tangents and noise and I get it and some people can't comment on a suggestion without insulting people (not you acesup), and I don't care, it's just a suggestion and I think it's a worthwhile one to explore.

People have different opinions and I'm fine with that.


I don't like the idea but I hope you didn't feel my post was insulting to you pjcas, that wasn't my intent. I think it's not a no-risk trade because Collins is a very good player and I think it's still possible for him to be part of the rebuild and future of the team. There is going to be plenty of money coming off the books once we have a franchise QB on a rookie deal here, and Collins is a good player to have around. You need veteran playmakers and we need talent on the defense, especially since we will likely be drafting offense (QB) with our first rounder yet again this year. If we want to do a quick turnaround into a contender, I think you have to retain your high end talent, especially on defense.

Now, if your opinion is that the future of this team is better served by allocating resources elsewhere and getting a return on him, that's a fine opinion to take but I think we'd have to get a 2nd rounder for Collins, not a third, and I don't think Parker's trade value offsets that need at all.
No, not you ASJ  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 1:28 pm : link
doesn't matter, I don't care I have thick skin.

My whole premise is IF the Giants decide they're not going to resign Collins.

I could go either way on re-signing Collins. I can see a legit case made for and against re-signing him.
if you're going to trade collins, you need to maximize the draft asset  
PerpetualNervousness : 10/16/2018 1:37 pm : link
chasing parker doesn't make sense. this team has enough underperforming players. if the giants choose to try to trade collins now, then i would hope they could get back more than the dolphins 3rd rounder. you're suggesting that the max value collins will return in draft capital is a mid-round 3rd, and then parker is a throw-in? i'd rather try to get a higher pick, or if i'm seeking a throw-in, find a team that has a lineman with a similar pedigree.
RE: if you're going to trade collins, you need to maximize the draft asset  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14131438 PerpetualNervousness said:
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chasing parker doesn't make sense. this team has enough underperforming players. if the giants choose to try to trade collins now, then i would hope they could get back more than the dolphins 3rd rounder. you're suggesting that the max value collins will return in draft capital is a mid-round 3rd, and then parker is a throw-in? i'd rather try to get a higher pick, or if i'm seeking a throw-in, find a team that has a lineman with a similar pedigree.


Fair point. If they can get better they should do it. I really don't know what his value will be should the Giants decide to move him.

Collins might be their most shoppable asset.
RE: RE: Yep that's what this team is lacking  
Josh in the City : 10/16/2018 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14131041 Anakim said:
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In comment 14131038 Josh in the City said:


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...weapons for Eli.



You know what BBI is not lacking?


Mouth-breathing pansies like you.


Personal attacks b/c I don't agree with your foolish opinion? You sound like quite the gentleman.
Parker  
Sy'56 : 10/16/2018 2:42 pm : link
is terrible
RE: RE: RE: Yep that's what this team is lacking  
Anakim : 10/16/2018 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14131562 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 14131041 Anakim said:


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In comment 14131038 Josh in the City said:


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...weapons for Eli.



You know what BBI is not lacking?


Mouth-breathing pansies like you.



Personal attacks b/c I don't agree with your foolish opinion? You sound like quite the gentleman.


No, this has nothing to do with Parker. I couldn't give a shit about Parker. This is about how you've been throughout your time at BBI.
Am I the only one who noticed  
chopperhatch : 10/16/2018 2:51 pm : link
that Anak called someone a "mouth-breathing pansy?"

Lol, get him kid.

RE: Am I the only one who noticed  
Anakim : 10/16/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14131579 chopperhatch said:
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that Anak called someone a "mouth-breathing pansy?"

Lol, get him kid.



I'm just sick of what BBI has become. The Giants are terrible and have been for the last few years, but the fan quality has become absolute shit and BBI reflects that. We don't need guys like Josh being whiny little pussies every step of the way. WAH, WE DIDN'T GET A QB. WAHHH. There won't be anyone better than Darnold in the future. WAHHHH.

We don't need Jeff53 contributing absolutely nothing to the rhetoric of this board by posting four word responses.

And we sure as hell don't need these idiots coming out of the woodwork to craft these stupid, uninformed and unrealistic ideas. Not to mention, those who believe in revisionist history by saying that Eli is a bust and that we would've been better off with Roethlisberger and Rivers.

This board needs to be cleansed of the morons that pervade its webspace.
RE: RE: Am I the only one who noticed  
chopperhatch : 10/16/2018 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14131585 Anakim said:
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In comment 14131579 chopperhatch said:


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that Anak called someone a "mouth-breathing pansy?"

Lol, get him kid.





I'm just sick of what BBI has become. The Giants are terrible and have been for the last few years, but the fan quality has become absolute shit and BBI reflects that. We don't need guys like Josh being whiny little pussies every step of the way. WAH, WE DIDN'T GET A QB. WAHHH. There won't be anyone better than Darnold in the future. WAHHHH.

We don't need Jeff53 contributing absolutely nothing to the rhetoric of this board by posting four word responses.

And we sure as hell don't need these idiots coming out of the woodwork to craft these stupid, uninformed and unrealistic ideas. Not to mention, those who believe in revisionist history by saying that Eli is a bust and that we would've been better off with Roethlisberger and Rivers.

This board needs to be cleansed of the morons that pervade its webspace.


Oh I hear ya. I just havent seen the word in print/type in quite a while. Haha
Anak....  
Ed A. : 10/16/2018 4:00 pm : link
Man, did you nail it. It's getting more and more nauseating reading those negative posts from people that haven't got a clue but think they are more qualified then the football people that are responsible for making decisions.
RE: Anak....  
chopperhatch : 10/16/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14131674 Ed A. said:
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Man, did you nail it. It's getting more and more nauseating reading those negative posts from people that haven't got a clue but think they are more qualified then the football people that are responsible for making decisions.


I agree as well. I have repeatedly gotten annoyed at the posters who keep bringing up the exact same fucking thing with every post. Barkley does well? The same posters bring up how it wont make a difference because we have an old ineffective QB. Collins makes a good tackle? People repeat that he cant be relied on to cover receivers past 10 yards. Will Hernandez makes a great block? We are constantly reminded of the poor FA signings we made.

This place has become fucking tedious in that regard. I have plenty of misgivings about the team and the way it's run. But I dont infect other threads with negative, mewling, repetitive complaints.

We got the point the previous 50 times you complained about that.
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