Mara speaks at the owners meeting

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Great job, John.

every word he says annoys me more and more as a fan

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In comment 14131110 Britt in VA said:

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That shit is hilarious. My ass he didn't snub him.

Although TC was definitely making curious coaching decisions toward the end. The debacle with the season opener against Dallas in 2015 when we could have run out the clock and it cost us the game was the final straw in my opinion.

to the dark side. Except Britt, who has been there all along.

Jawn was pictured speaking at the meeting:

this team is in desperate need of fresh faces & fresh ideas.

It's interesting what people remember from that press conference. Clearly that gif is one, but I will always remember the "it's not your fault, Eli" comment. Because to me, TC was clearly saying "your poor play had a lot to do with this, Eli." Why even bring Eli up unless it was on their minds?

I know you don't want to hear it, but if they had jettisoned Eli/Reese instead of Coughlin three years ago, I think this franchise would be in MUCH better place right now. Certainly hard to imagine worse.

In comment 14131128 GiantNatty said:

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It's interesting what people remember from that press conference. Clearly that gif is one, but I will always remember the "it's not your fault, Eli" comment. Because to me, TC was clearly saying "your poor play had a lot to do with this, Eli." Why even bring Eli up unless it was on their minds? I know you don't want to hear it, but if they had jettisoned Eli/Reese instead of Coughlin three years ago, I think this franchise would be in MUCH better place right now. Certainly hard to imagine worse.

Yes Eli, your 4500 yard (2nd career best), 35 TD (career best) performance where you led the offense to a lead or tie score with 2 minutes to go only to have the defense fold and give it up six times was to blame.

It IS funny what people (think) they remember about that year.

Still steeping in St. Tommy's overwhelming winnerness?

As soon as you make a correct decision for the first time in ages. This past offseason was a failure on every front. Every last decision: Wrong.

Maybe Mr. Mara should take his own advice. This team he put together is (once again) an absolute disgrace.

4-19.

In comment 14131128 GiantNatty said:

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It's interesting what people remember from that press conference. Clearly that gif is one, but I will always remember the "it's not your fault, Eli" comment. Because to me, TC was clearly saying "your poor play had a lot to do with this, Eli." Why even bring Eli up unless it was on their minds? I know you don't want to hear it, but if they had jettisoned Eli/Reese instead of Coughlin three years ago, I think this franchise would be in MUCH better place right now. Certainly hard to imagine worse.

Wow, talk about seeing things you want to see that simply aren't there. You think maybe he said that because he could see Eli in the crowd fighting back tears? You honestly think a coach who had an almost fatherly relationship with his QB is taking swipes at him during his "resignation"? It's readily apparent that you have hated Eli for a long time based on your posting history, but this might take the cake.

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In comment 14131128 GiantNatty said: Quote: It's interesting what people remember from that press conference. Clearly that gif is one, but I will always remember the "it's not your fault, Eli" comment. Because to me, TC was clearly saying "your poor play had a lot to do with this, Eli." Why even bring Eli up unless it was on their minds? I know you don't want to hear it, but if they had jettisoned Eli/Reese instead of Coughlin three years ago, I think this franchise would be in MUCH better place right now. Certainly hard to imagine worse. Wow, talk about seeing things you want to see that simply aren't there. You think maybe he said that because he could see Eli in the crowd fighting back tears? You honestly think a coach who had an almost fatherly relationship with his QB is taking swipes at him during his "resignation"? It's readily apparent that you have hated Eli for a long time based on your posting history, but this might take the cake.

Pathetic, isn't it? And he's not alone.

In comment 14131120 bradshaw44 said:

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In comment 14131110 Britt in VA said: Quote: That shit is hilarious. My ass he didn't snub him. Although TC was definitely making curious coaching decisions toward the end. The debacle with the season opener against Dallas in 2015 when we could have run out the clock and it cost us the game was the final straw in my opinion.

Yes, good call. We are much improved two coaches, a new GM, $100 million defensive spend, Engram and Barkely later.

In comment 14131144 Britt in VA said:

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Yes Eli, your 4500 yard (2nd career best), 35 TD (career best) performance where you led the offense to a lead or tie score with 2 minutes to go only to have the defense fold and give it up six times was to blame. It IS funny what people (think) they remember about that year.

Also: this. I didn't bother to cite stats because, well, GiantNatty.

some of the most atrocious posters on here..

And that is saying a lot...

I don't hate Eli - that's really unfair. I LOVE Eli. I think he's taught me, personally, a lot about what it means to be a professional, and what it means to be a competitor (not that I'm anywhere close to accomplishing what he has). I think he was an absolute clutch assassin. I hope to be there when he's enshrined into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

But all that love does not blind me to the fact that he has not run an efficient offense in YEARS. You can give me all the stats you want, but he doesn't pass the eyeball test anymore and he is not elevating the play of those around him - to the contrary, I think this team is playing worse because of him. I think he is the single biggest reason why two coaches were fired during the latter part of his tenure here and why some people are already calling for the head of the third.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that you can love the player, but objectively see that he's holding his team back? He's not the same player anymore and while it sucks to keep saying it, it sucks more to keep seeing it. I think he's hurting his legacy at this point almost to the point of embarrassing himself and it's tough to see.

Yes, before this season I said that any season with him as the quarterback will be a lost season. It sounds harsh, but was I wrong? Does that mean I hate him? It doesn't. Not at all. It just mean the writing was on the wall and I called it like I saw it. Believe me, I truly and sincerely wish I was wrong - and the bounce-back Eli I love made me think for a second that he just might get a shot at that third ring after all.

Unfortunately, however, it's been false hope for years now.

that Coughlin was throwing veiled blame on him during his resignation, saying it actually WAS his fault, after Eli just had a statistical top career year, and had the offense in position to win six times that the defense folded (they finished 6-10, imagine if the defense had just held on to a few of those).

He's letting the coach decide to start Lauletta or not.

would agree that your take on the Coughlin resignation comments are completely moronic.

We sucked last last year with injuries, we suck worse while healthy this year. Ownership needs to fix this.

In comment 14131212 Britt in VA said:

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would agree that your take on the Coughlin resignation comments are completely moronic.

I am not colleagues with any of the douchebags pretending to be Giants fans. Douchebags= 2-4 people on this site. It is a moronic take on TC.

Okay John...

Flipped last year in one week because the fans didn't like something. And now with these middle of the road answers that basically say nothing. If this was the first year this was happening I'd say fine, the safe middle of the road answers are probably the way to go. But you're talking almost a half decade now. It's not the first year of ineptitude anymore.

In comment 14131110 Britt in VA said:

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Picture is worth 1000 words. A video.....1,000,000 word.

In comment 14131199 GiantNatty said:

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I don't hate Eli - that's really unfair. I LOVE Eli. I think he's taught me, personally, a lot about what it means to be a professional, and what it means to be a competitor (not that I'm anywhere close to accomplishing what he has). I think he was an absolute clutch assassin. I hope to be there when he's enshrined into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But all that love does not blind me to the fact that he has not run an efficient offense in YEARS. You can give me all the stats you want, but he doesn't pass the eyeball test anymore and he is not elevating the play of those around him - to the contrary, I think this team is playing worse because of him. I think he is the single biggest reason why two coaches were fired during the latter part of his tenure here and why some people are already calling for the head of the third. Why is it so hard for people to understand that you can love the player, but objectively see that he's holding his team back? He's not the same player anymore and while it sucks to keep saying it, it sucks more to keep seeing it. I think he's hurting his legacy at this point almost to the point of embarrassing himself and it's tough to see. Yes, before this season I said that any season with him as the quarterback will be a lost season. It sounds harsh, but was I wrong? Does that mean I hate him? It doesn't. Not at all. It just mean the writing was on the wall and I called it like I saw it. Believe me, I truly and sincerely wish I was wrong - and the bounce-back Eli I love made me think for a second that he just might get a shot at that third ring after all. Unfortunately, however, it's been false hope for years now.

Gee, I don't know where I would have ever gotten the impression that you weren't an Eli fan and had no idea how to evaluate quarterback play. Maybe this gem of a thread from 2011, you know, the season where Eli Manning was quite possibly the best 4th Quarter QB of all-time, will refresh your memory?

Nice thread

"John should spend more time building a better product on the field, and less on PSLs, concessions, etc."

Has Eli lost the edge?

Again, posted in the middle of one of his best seasons.

Conducted a real GM and coach search that you know interviewed outside the box candidates the team would have a more promising start and outlook

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Although TC was definitely making curious coaching decisions toward the end. The debacle with the season opener against Dallas in 2015 when we could have run out the clock and it cost us the game was the final straw in my opinion.


Do you mean on third and goal, when Eli decided to pass, and instead of taking a sack, threw the ball away and stopped the clock for Dallas?

In comment 14131110 Britt in VA said:

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This GIF is priceless.

Long Live Coughlin's tough ornery ass. Love that man.

That’s an amazing thread. It’s always prefaced by, “I LOVE Eli” “I’m a BIG Eli guy” Oh really.

In comment 14131144 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 14131128 GiantNatty said: Quote: It's interesting what people remember from that press conference. Clearly that gif is one, but I will always remember the "it's not your fault, Eli" comment. Because to me, TC was clearly saying "your poor play had a lot to do with this, Eli." Why even bring Eli up unless it was on their minds? I know you don't want to hear it, but if they had jettisoned Eli/Reese instead of Coughlin three years ago, I think this franchise would be in MUCH better place right now. Certainly hard to imagine worse. Yes Eli, your 4500 yard (2nd career best), 35 TD (career best) performance where you led the offense to a lead or tie score with 2 minutes to go only to have the defense fold and give it up six times was to blame. It IS funny what people (think) they remember about that year.

Sometimes I think I watch a different team. 2015 the defense was fucking horrid. The offense could not run the ball, especially could not run to secure a lead and eat clock.

Eli and the passing game was the whole team. Eli almost brought them down to beat the Pats (again) Beckham lost a ball in the end zone and tbe team settled for three. The D actually got the stop on Brady but Collins pass defensed himself and the Pats went on to win. That was before the bye week and the team thought their shit didn't stink from the confidence of almost beating the Pats. Eli also threw five TD'S against the Saints and the team lost the game.

This narrative about Eli sucking for five plus years is bullshit. I think the timer dinged this year, he looked beyond bad Thursday night, but if Gano didn't make the kick of a lifetime. Eli would have had one of the best statistical games of his career and a fifteen point comeback road win prior to the abomination on Thursday. Maybe he isn't done. What I do know is he has not been cooked as far back as 2014 2015.

Also, I miss TC badly. Think Mara wants a do over on that decisin?

I said it even in this post - I think Eli has been below average for YEARS, and surely those old links support the idea. You can talk about 2016 and sure, that's relevant, but I think that was more of a mirage than last year's second Philly game turned out to be.

I find Eli to be one of the most enigmatic and maddeningly frustrating players I have ever seen. On the one hand, he is a champion. A two-time champion who went out and grabbed it both times. It's unfair to him to say the defense won those championships. In SB 42, his very first drive was almost 10 minutes long - shortening the game by a sixth before the defense even had to play a down. In SB 46, the throw to Manningham was perfection - and Eli's way of saying "if you think I got lucky with the helmet catch, watch this and tell me I'm lucky."

On the other hand, he has missed the playoffs more often than he's made them and has been one-and-done every time . . . except the two times he won championships. That's kinda crazy.

I really believed he would get three rings. He got us two. Seems that will have to be enough.

Though I have to be careful not to complain because I was able to watch them win 4 epic titles.

This will get fixed. People need to back off the ledge. We drafted 4 very good football players who are playing significant minutes on Sundays. We also pretty much wiped out with our FA signings. That doesnt usually happen, but I am confident that DG just needed bodies. The Solder deal is what it was going to be. But the Omameh deal is pretty ridiculous. At least Stewart we can be done with after this year.

Could make this thread about Tom Coughlin and the Jags. Well done!

unless there is another historic disruption of a Mara reign of error. Pete Rozelle isn't around anymore to save us. As long as the Tisch family lets the Mara brothers control the on the field product it will never get fixed.

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In comment 14131110 Britt in VA said: Quote: This GIF is priceless. Long Live Coughlin's tough ornery ass. Love that man.

Hard ass Coughlin knew what was up way before the rest of this site woke up, not much phoniesness with that guy. 3 years and counting now in coaching hell.

but any time they win Coughlin gets the credit?

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Great job, John.

That's how the kids talk these days. He means his confidence level is just "sick" right now...

In comment 14131411 BBelle21 said:

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That’s an amazing thread. It’s always prefaced by, “I LOVE Eli” “I’m a BIG Eli guy” Oh really.

Right? I'm not even an Eli homer, but this guy's posts have stuck in my brain for years because he always says "I love Eli, but he sucks" or some variant thereof.

"business executives" that inherit their positions.

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but any time they win Coughlin gets the credit?

See, even Randal gets it.

Thus has it always been for St. Tommy: all of the credit for wins, none of the blame for losses. Ever.

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In comment 14131509 arniefez said: Quote: but any time they win Coughlin gets the credit? See, even Randal gets it. Thus has it always been for St. Tommy: all of the credit for wins, none of the blame for losses. Ever.

+1

Tom had just as much to do with the roster construction as Jerry Reese. It's a joint effort. Especially those first 2 picks, which is well documented.

I will say it again. A complete organizational fail.

Be another meddling owner who in 13 years has made some awful personnel decisions. He needs to leave the football decisions to the football people, OBJ got his big contract and has been running his mouth for 2 weeks. Based on his own actions the guy has issues which could be overlooked if he were performing at a level worthy of his $65M guaranteed contract The Giants will have difficulty moving his contract if he continues to be a distraction.

no one person created this mess. Mara should really just stop talking because nothing good ever comes of it. He owns the team so he has the right to talk all he wants, but I can't remember the last time I read a quote from John Mara and didn't think "maybe he should just stop talking."

Gettleman and Shurmur are not off the blocks fast, but it is too early to pass judgment. Most of the free agency moves seem to have not worked out so well, but the draft looks promising. Those two need more time to evaluate. The Giants are not the Browns and should not start firing people after one year.

I understand why people love Coughlin and Eli. They were great Giants and will always have a place in franchise lore. But Coughlin being let go was not a mistake at all. The mistake was keeping Reese and hiring McAdoo.

Eli is a great Giant and I don't know how you can be a Giant fan and not love him for what he has meant to this franchise and the great guy he appears to be. But his play has declined these past couple of years and it is time to move on.