to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
Mara should take his own advice, really - he should be talking less and doing a better job with this franchise. Because lately, he's doing a pretty fucking bad one.
He isn't wrong about Beckham at all, but this is Jerry Jones stuff. Let the coach handle it.
Once the owner comes out and starts making comments like this, it doesn't end well.
to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
Mara should take his own advice, really - he should be talking less and doing a better job with this franchise. Because lately, he's doing a pretty fucking bad one.
He isn't wrong about Beckham at all, but this is Jerry Jones stuff. Let the coach handle it.
Once the owner comes out and starts making comments like this, it doesn't end well.
Yep - and unlike Odell, Mara's track record has been shit for some time now.
Publicly, the controversy surrounding Odell's comments and ESPN interview was subsiding. You let it die. Mara is the boss, you can say whatever you want behind closed doors and I'm sure plenty was said behind closed doors.
What he did was about his own ego to make himself look like the big man in charge to the public. You give non-answers to questions about that topic and say everything that has needed to be said has been said and it's an internal issue. Boom, no sound bytes.
Seriously questioning Mara's judgement here.
We should cut him and re-sign the great Jerrel Jernigan!
He was also right to sign OBJ.. Almost everything OBJ said was also right.. OBJ simply shouldn't have said them in the media..
Overall people are stupid.. they make a big deal of what OBJ is saying.. when in reality the big deal is our record.. regardless of all this drama we are still the worst team in the league.. The losing caused this drama not the other way around.. Fix the losing and no one will care about the drama..
"What have you done for me lately", john mara is really low on the credibility pecking order compared to Beckham. Hes been better at his job than anyone else employed by the Giants.
to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
so your position is that there's nothing to see here? and it's dumb to care about beckham being fined and held to account by the coach, and by the owner? k then.
What good does calling out Obj publicly do? It creates a more negative enviroment with the team and in the media. Where is the professionalism? The Giants are no longer one of the reputable teams in the league. Thank you John Mara for making this team trash, i have no respect for your ways.
Really, none of what is being said is wrong - it's that it needs to stop being aired out in the open and needs to be handled in-house.
Beckham is right to be frustrated. He's right to see the way PIT, HOU, ATL, etc. get the ball to their star WR's while we can't do anything but throw him bubble screens or quick slants expecting him to take it to the house.
But Beckham needs to fucking stop with the public comments, the tantrums, the childish behavior. Enough is enough.
Mara is right about that. But again - this isn't something Mara should be opining on in public. It basically undermines the coach and it creates even more of a shitshow.
It's just all bad for the Giants right now. It's pretty infuriating.
Damn straight if my employer was paying me that, they would have all the right in the world to put me in check.
And you do that...internally. Publicly, you are exacerbating the situation which is a bad move for the organization. Is your duty to the health and success of the organization or is your duty to feed your ego by seeing your name in the paper?
It doesn't matter if his sentiment is right (and it is right), what matters is being above the tit for tat and putting your franchise first. This was a controversy that was pretty much over. Now it's not going to be, and it has the potential to become a toxic situation with one of your best players. There was no need for this.
What did he think that would accomplish? Question the receiver when the fans, media, players are all questioning the QB. Just opens up Eli to more criticism.
It's times like this when you need a vocal leader(not OBJ) to get all the troops together and iron out this mess....
BTW..not John Mara one of the major reasons we are back in the 70's
to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
so your position is that there's nothing to see here? and it's dumb to care about beckham being fined and held to account by the coach, and by the owner? k then.
No, he needs to clean it up, but the fact that it bothers people so much is funny to me, always will be.
...OBJ is trying to get primetime replay with his head-butting on the sideline because he ain't getting any primetime replay for his (lack of) TD catches.
Really, none of what is being said is wrong - it's that it needs to stop being aired out in the open and needs to be handled in-house.
Beckham is right to be frustrated. He's right to see the way PIT, HOU, ATL, etc. get the ball to their star WR's while we can't do anything but throw him bubble screens or quick slants expecting him to take it to the house.
But Beckham needs to fucking stop with the public comments, the tantrums, the childish behavior. Enough is enough.
Mara is right about that. But again - this isn't something Mara should be opining on in public. It basically undermines the coach and it creates even more of a shitshow.
It's just all bad for the Giants right now. It's pretty infuriating.
Spot on. Sure, OBJ could shut up, but regardless, nobody wins a war of words in the media between owner and WR
...OBJ is trying to get primetime replay with his head-butting on the sideline because he ain't getting any primetime replay for his (lack of) TD catches.
Who isn't frustrated by the stats bbn of this team. The franchise has been bad since 2012.
to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
so your position is that there's nothing to see here? and it's dumb to care about beckham being fined and held to account by the coach, and by the owner? k then.
No, he needs to clean it up, but the fact that it bothers people so much is funny to me, always will be.
it doesn't bother me "so much," but odell has become on of my least favorite giants. and i fully defended him up through the josh norman debacle. i just don't understand a fan who would concede that odell's bullshit is a problem he needs to clean up, yet also say they think it's funny that his bullshit is annoying to other giants fans. seems dumb to me
taking pot shots at your best player through the media is what players do to each other.
You are his boss. If you want something to change you do it behind closed doors. Or you have the coach to do it or GM. You aren't Jerry Jones and who wants to be Jerry Jones anyway?
"There is an Odell problem. It is a problem. It is a problem when you keep losing, and Fox is zooming in on him ...and I saw Martellus Bennett who I follow on Twitter, he's like 'don't blame it all on Odell' and he thought that Joe and Troy and the Fox broadcast were way too focused on his antics and not on Eli Mannings inability to play the quarterback position at a high level anymore. And in that regard I think Martellus is right...but its also, what have you built up in the respect bank, in the National Football League? And at this point it appears that Odell has insufficient funds in that bank."
I find it really funny that we can all criticize the owner
-Racism
-An anti-Beckham agenda from the media
-A young kid who captured fame too soon and just needed to mature
-Just a passionate guy
-Frustration with losing (even though his only playoff game to date included more idiotic behavior and poor performance)
-It's Eli Manning's fault
I'm sure there will be more.
RE: I find it really funny that we can all criticize the owner
If any one of us were the owner of a sports franchise, we would have a hard time just saying " no comment " or absolutely nothing.
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous.
Not every owner makes comments like these when their team is playing poorly. It's a matter of understanding how to handle certain situations and realizing that comments like these do nothing but make matters worse.
who should've given a no comment on the odell matter, and odell can be a high maintenance clueless idiot who constantly needs to be managed or checked by his coach and other players on the team. worst of both worlds.
If I'd just backed up the Brinks truck for someone, making them one of the highest paid players in the league, and then only 4 weeks into the season to throw everyone under the bus - I'd have said the same thing.
RE: I find it really funny that we can all criticize the owner
If any one of us were the owner of a sports franchise, we would have a hard time just saying " no comment " or absolutely nothing.
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
Maybe if you have no self control, but its a problem if youve been born into this business and dont have the self control to not make a bad situation worse with your words. You are signing the checks, you have that conversation with the player and not through the media.
If I'd just backed up the Brinks truck for someone, making them one of the highest paid players in the league, and then only 4 weeks into the season to throw everyone under the bus - I'd have said the same thing.
leaves me to believe one thing and one thing only.
They are laying the groundwork for any future infractions that could lead the Giants to suspend up for conduct detrimental to the team and recoup some of the bonus money.
leaves me to believe one thing and one thing only.
They are laying the groundwork for any future infractions that could lead the Giants to suspend up for conduct detrimental to the team and recoup some of the bonus money.
Or, and stay with me here, I'm just spitballing ideas.......they want him to shut up and play football.
There doesn't need to be some deep motivation here. Odell is great at football. Odell needs to learn how to communicate his concerns or feelings in the right way. STFU and play football, which is what you are paid very well to do. Thats it.
Has he just had a bad few years or he is a poor owner whose ineptitude was covered by the prime years of several great players? I really don't know anymore. I think he's right about Odell. But he has to know what the reaction is going to be when you make something like this public. Also, I hope he realizes he has blame in this mess too, so he opens himself up to public criticism as well when he makes a statement like this.
I don't think there is any doubt anymore that this is as low and bad a point the Giants have been in since the 70s.
to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
so your position is that there's nothing to see here? and it's dumb to care about beckham being fined and held to account by the coach, and by the owner? k then.
No, he needs to clean it up, but the fact that it bothers people so much is funny to me, always will be.
it doesn't bother me "so much," but odell has become on of my least favorite giants. and i fully defended him up through the josh norman debacle. i just don't understand a fan who would concede that odell's bullshit is a problem he needs to clean up, yet also say they think it's funny that his bullshit is annoying to other giants fans. seems dumb to me
It wont seem dumb when you realize that its ok to want X player to be different but not enough for it to bother you. Theres a ton of problems on this team, the focus should be on those. Everything else is just feeding the media.
Blocking, QB play, playcalling, defense, etc are all far larger issues that need attention. Id rather Odell fix his special teams play than worry about what he says to Lil Wayne.
Hes an influential presence on the team and he misused it, caused divisive instead of unity. This is about to backfire on Odell. He hasnt played mistake free football either.
taking pot shots at your best player through the media is what players do to each other.
You are his boss. If you want something to change you do it behind closed doors. Or you have the coach to do it or GM. You aren't Jerry Jones and who wants to be Jerry Jones anyway?
he's not the best player anymore and he'll never be able to take that. the more saquon shines the more he'll act out.
Hes an influential presence on the team and he misused it, caused divisive instead of unity. This is about to backfire on Odell. He hasnt played mistake free football either.
you do realize he defended eli, he didnt throw him under the bus like espn made it seem...
he also said it was his job to get the team up and ready tonj play he didnt name any players...
Hes an influential presence on the team and he misused it, caused divisive instead of unity. This is about to backfire on Odell. He hasnt played mistake free football either.
Of course what Odell did was wrong. So what better way to try to point out it was wrong than for Mara to go and make that public statement, which was better delivered in person.
And those intentions are up for debate, he was fined by the coach and Odell then doubled down and said he only apologized to keep the peace. Basically throwing the fine back in Shurmurs face. Odell like everyone needs to do better.
taking pot shots at your best player through the media is what players do to each other.
You are his boss. If you want something to change you do it behind closed doors. Or you have the coach to do it or GM. You aren't Jerry Jones and who wants to be Jerry Jones anyway?
he's not the best player anymore and he'll never be able to take that. the more saquon shines the more he'll act out.
yes lets complete ignore the fact that he doesnt care who shines as long as the team wins, lets ignore that he is friends with barkley and talks up barkley every chance he gets..
lets ignore that thisnis the same player that fscetimed barkley 5 minutes after he was drafted..
lets ignore the same guy who refused an interview with nfl network unless the entire wide receiver core was involved..
this notion that beckham csres about barkley being a better player is laughable..
If any one of us were the owner of a sports franchise, we would have a hard time just saying " no comment " or absolutely nothing.
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
"Odell hates losing. We all hate losing. We are 1-5 and we are going to do everything that we can to win some games. Everyone is frustrated, not just Odell. Its our job to make sure that we start winning some games."
Its not that hard. 1. Say everyone hates losing; 2. acknowledge its frustrating; 3 say we're going to do everything to start winning.
current owner Mara is acting just like his father Wellington did until
George Young came aboard and straightened out the entire organization, from comments, to draft, to contracts, etc. I don't think Gettleman can or will do it and Mara is just too immature as an owner to see it yet, and Odell is a major PIA and needs to mature rapidly.
to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
so your position is that there's nothing to see here? and it's dumb to care about beckham being fined and held to account by the coach, and by the owner? k then.
No, he needs to clean it up, but the fact that it bothers people so much is funny to me, always will be.
it doesn't bother me "so much," but odell has become on of my least favorite giants. and i fully defended him up through the josh norman debacle. i just don't understand a fan who would concede that odell's bullshit is a problem he needs to clean up, yet also say they think it's funny that his bullshit is annoying to other giants fans. seems dumb to me
It wont seem dumb when you realize that its ok to want X player to be different but not enough for it to bother you. Theres a ton of problems on this team, the focus should be on those. Everything else is just feeding the media.
Blocking, QB play, playcalling, defense, etc are all far larger issues that need attention. Id rather Odell fix his special teams play than worry about what he says to Lil Wayne.
no, that doesn't seem dumb. what seems dumb is that you would take pleasure in other fans being annoyed by beckham reverting back to form and airing grievances publicly in stream of consciousness form, or otherwise acting like an idiot, while also making major mistakes on the field (and not just the horrific whiff on the punt).
this was a 3-13 team last year. i understand that it will take time to fix the blocking, the defense, the QB, etc etc. but odell was given a large second contract and is supposed to be part of the solution and one thing we can feel positive about going forward. i definitely don't feel that way about him, and yes, that is annoying to me. but kudos to you for taking pleasure in that, man. i'm sure you're right- whatever crap beckham says about the giants in sit-down interviews in season with popular rappers or the worst that the gossip sports media has to offer isn't the "real" issue here. *eyeroll*
If any one of us were the owner of a sports franchise, we would have a hard time just saying " no comment " or absolutely nothing.
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
No, it's called being an adult and knowing where your responsibility lies. I might not keep my mouth shut behind closed doors but I certainly wouldn't go public.
would not have stood for any of this nonsense. This team always had pride and heritage. It meant something to wear the uniform. The photo of Barkley looking at all the greats gave me chills to think what this kid can do and has not disappointed me yet.
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
everyone associated with franchise needs to shut up and row
focus on Atlanta and play a competitive game. This shit with OBJ needs to stop. This shit with Eli needs to be put to bed. If he has another shitty game he needs to sit if for no other reason than the team needs to stop living in the past.
would not have stood for any of this nonsense. This team always had pride and heritage. It meant something to wear the uniform. The photo of Barkley looking at all the greats gave me chills to think what this kid can do and has not disappointed me yet.
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
Wellington Mara gave serial domestic abuser, multi arrest Tito Wooten to a contract extension.
would not have stood for any of this nonsense. This team always had pride and heritage. It meant something to wear the uniform. The photo of Barkley looking at all the greats gave me chills to think what this kid can do and has not disappointed me yet.
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
He's not even the best player on th team anymore. Barkley is.
would not have stood for any of this nonsense. This team always had pride and heritage. It meant something to wear the uniform. The photo of Barkley looking at all the greats gave me chills to think what this kid can do and has not disappointed me yet.
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
Wellington Mara gave serial domestic abuser, multi arrest Tito Wooten to a contract extension.
LAWRENCE TAYLOR PLAYED GAMES ON COCAINE THE NIGHT AFTER HE SENT HOOKERS TO STAR PLAYERS ON THE OPPOSING TEAM'S HOTEL ROOMS.
RE: RE: I find it really funny that we can all criticize the owner
If any one of us were the owner of a sports franchise, we would have a hard time just saying " no comment " or absolutely nothing.
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
Maybe if you have no self control, but its a problem if youve been born into this business and dont have the self control to not make a bad situation worse with your words. You are signing the checks, you have that conversation with the player and not through the media.
First, I didn't say he should have said something. I am indifferent to it either way. I don't pretend to have all the answers in regards to OBJ and John Mara. I simply stated that it is much easier to sit back and comment about what our owner says ( or shouldn't say ) then to truly try and understand his situation at all. I guess we can assume you are extremely cautious with all your words and have never said anything to anyone that you wish you hadn't said? Or are you so guarded with your words or thoughts that you avoid conflict and you leave everything to the assumptions of the masses?
I bet you are the same guy that would be pissed if you heard nothing from Mara at all.
I will not pretend to think that Mara is faultless. But he is the OWNER of this team. He writes the checks. He has spent a lot of money for this debacle of a football team. It is his mess and people are blaming him for keeping Reese and firing Coughlin, keeping Eli and getting rid of McAdoo. Hiring Gettlemen and Shurmur and not drafting a QB.
At some point and time, when do we realize that the players need to play better? The coaches need to coach better and the GM needs to pick good players and make effective signings?
I love OBJ but he seems more concerned with his brand than the NY on the side of his helmet.
John Mara is right.....worry about playing football. He has a right to say it. That is what they all should be worrying about.
who will be fine when things are going well and a pain when things are not. The Giants should know this already and either be conditioned to deal with (meaning say nothing now) or just have let him play this year without a new contract. To be honest, I am getting sick of BOTH Mara and OBJ's meaningless comments. Thank the sky for Saquon or this team would be incredibly hard to root for at the moment. And please spare me the Odel works hard and is competive. That's true, but his antics of look at me stuff and don't blame me are so tiresome that they are starting to outweigh the whole he works hard at his craft and wants to win side of his personality.
who will be fine when things are going well and a pain when things are not. The Giants should know this already and either be conditioned to deal with (meaning say nothing now) or just have let him play this year without a new contract. To be honest, I am getting sick of BOTH Mara and OBJ's meaningless comments. Thank the sky for Saquon or this team would be incredibly hard to root for at the moment. And please spare me the Odel works hard and is competive. That's true, but his antics of look at me stuff and don't blame me are so tiresome that they are starting to outweigh the whole he works hard at his craft and wants to win side of his personality.
even when things were going well he wasn't exactly "fine." he played one of his worst games v. green bay in the playoffs the 2016 season, dropping everything he touched and then punching a hole in the lockerroom wall post-game. he had a brain fart that arguably cost them a win v carolina this year, and was a pouty non-factor v the eagles the following week.
Giants owner John Mara thinks Odell Beckham "needs to do a little more playing and a little less talking."
"I wish he would create the headlines by his play on the field as opposed to what he says and what he does off the field," Mara added. It is good Mara has identified Beckham as the Giants' real problem and not Eli Manning's ever deteriorating skill set.
how their is any discussion on obj performance.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
Giants owner John Mara thinks Odell Beckham "needs to do a little more playing and a little less talking."
"I wish he would create the headlines by his play on the field as opposed to what he says and what he does off the field," Mara added. It is good Mara has identified Beckham as the Giants' real problem and not Eli Manning's ever deteriorating skill set.
IAEF
Even when the discussion is about another player - IAEF.
the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
not using the 5th year option and not using the tag if necessary next year....
How has making OBj happy worked out?
Agree, the Giants had all the cards in this one. Beckham, according to his interview, "sacrificed" a lot. His sacrifice was not doing his antics and reporting to training camp without a contract. It worked, the Giants extended him when they didn't have to and four weeks into the season he is publicly capping on his teammates, the city he plays in and his new HC. Mara has sour grapes now, but he has no one to bake but himself.
not using the 5th year option and not using the tag if necessary next year....
How has making OBj happy worked out?
Agree, the Giants had all the cards in this one. Beckham, according to his interview, "sacrificed" a lot. His sacrifice was not doing his antics and reporting to training camp without a contract. It worked, the Giants extended him when they didn't have to and four weeks into the season he is publicly capping on his teammates, the city he plays in and his new HC. Mara has sour grapes now, but he has no one to bake but himself.
blame but himself. Thing is, Beckham is popular despite winning nothing and sells a lot of jerseys. He is especially popular with young fans.
the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
...this has some serious potential for locker room turmoil. I'm sure it didn't go unnoticed in the room that mara rode to the rescue for his underperforming QB last year. A guy who makes the most money on the team and ultimately refused to take the field for the tean.
Now he publicly goes after one of the best players in the league, who is probably a lot tighter with most of the room than the QB is. This could get uncomfortable
...this has some serious potential for locker room turmoil. I'm sure it didn't go unnoticed in the room that mara rode to the rescue for his underperforming QB last year. A guy who makes the most money on the team and ultimately refused to take the field for the tean.
Now he publicly goes after one of the best players in the league, who is probably a lot tighter with most of the room than the QB is. This could get uncomfortable
He publicly went to bat for one of his best players by signing a $95 million check when he didn't have to. And, that is the key, Mara could have let OBJ play this year without any security and given his track record of disruption that might not have been a bad idea. So, I think Mara "went to bat" for OBJ as well as Eli.
the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
You're saying Bill Parcells never used the media in regards to a player???? Come again??? lol
that Odell is right, but shouldn't air it publicly & Mara is right, but also shouldn't air it publicly.
Mara is giving what the fans want to hear from him and saying themselves (fans)..but it should be, despite what we want him (Mara) to say, should had been said via Visa face to face behind closed doors to Odell himself
Mara isnt wrong in what he said though
Up until this last 'mis-step' I was a big Odell supporter
He plays with passion and wears his heart on his sleeve. He seems intelligent (Only gathering from his press appearances) and the boat trip an Paris video were youthful indiscretions. He seemed to make an honest effort this last preseason to be a team player by getting into camp and keeping a low profile. But then, the MAN got paid. 4 weeks in and he's chirping about not getting the ball. You got the ball and did nothing with it. you aren't getting open and you aren't getting our other receivers open. I am not sure his talent is compensating for his detrimental behavior. If he has value, trade him.
the team's direction rather than hear him spout off about one player. As I said in my original post, I am just angry at both of them. This once proud franchise is turning into a laughingstock of the NFL. Besides 2016 (which really was not that great of a year offensively) we have produce terrible football since Hurricane Sandy hit in 2012. We have made countless errors in team building, etc. I would much rather hear Mara's thoughts on what happened last off season than him "sticking up" for the fans by having him say "what we want to hear"
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
A pathetic response from an alleged Giants fan.
How so? I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's the reality of the situation.
As opposed to yourself, who is more concerned about a player's reputation in retirement rather than the team that he is supposedly a fan of being terrible for going on 7 seasons?
And I'm the 'alleged Giants fan?' Yeah, might want to rethink that one, boss.
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
is if Odell doesn't reach his potential what he could have been with good leadership in place.
I'm sad to say it but Odell is walking around like he is the alpha. Even above ownership. Who can blame him though? He has these emotional problems, misses most of last season and still gets the biggest contract of any WR ever.
Many suggested it this off-season but what great leaders do is use the leverage they have to guide people and at times put your foot down. The only one who appeared to put his foot down was OBJ, this past summer. I don't know what went on behind closed doors but it was pretty apparent to OBJ that he was going to get his contract by merely showing up at training camp and talking about personal growth.
Nobody wants distractions but we gave OBJ the contract and here we are with them anyway. I think that is the prevailing problem with the leadership in this organization. They aren't anticipating problems and the "solutions" they are providing do not actually solve the existing problems.
I keep coming back to this because it is confounding to me. If you can add the most explosive player to come into the NFL in a long time add the highest paid LT in the league get a bare minimum top 5 WR back from injury a new "offensive guru" coach and your offense doesn't look any better I don't know how anyone can look at this other than a dire problem with leadership. It doesn't matter that we won in 2011. Good franchises are not supposed to bottom out like this, this isn't a tank. We made a concerted effort to improve and absolutely did not.
the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
You're saying Bill Parcells never used the media in regards to a player???? Come again??? lol
That's not what I said. Bill was the master at manipulating the media for his purposes, not allowing himself to be manipulated for the media's purposes, which is what Mara did. Bill used the media to motivate players for on-field purposes. He never would've given the media anything related to off-the-field stuff.
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
You made a post saying that "Eli is getting out of this with 2 SB's and dignity."
That doesn't say anything about what he will be remembered for, which you know twisted this into being about with this post you just made.
Yes. He won 2 SBs. So, he's leaving with that. He's also leaving with a horrendous last few seasons of his career and a possible sub .500 career record. Neither my statement nor yours is factually incorrect (again, if he does indeed finish with a sub .500 record).
And because some of us are more concerned with the team here and now, and going forward, and not a single player, we're the supposed 'alleged Giants fans.'
John Mara figures to best way to address his star player calling out other players and coaches through the media is to call out that player through the media? Got it.
no reason for him to publicly call odell out. that is going to make things better? real smart john
Why not? Odell isn't a two year old and guess what, the Giants just laid the groundwork for potential conduct detrimental if ODell keeps up the antics.
these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
taking pot shots at your best player through the media is what players do to each other.
You are his boss. If you want something to change you do it behind closed doors. Or you have the coach to do it or GM. You aren't Jerry Jones and who wants to be Jerry Jones anyway?
I don't know what fucking team you are watching but our best player wears #26.
RE: How so? Because it's not the reality of the situation.
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
how their is any discussion on obj performance.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
This is an excellent and deadly accurate post.
RE: RE: If Odell Beckham were off this team tomorrow
Odell Beckham: 6 rec / 44 yards. After a slightly discouraging PR week for Beckham, whom has been fined by the team for comments made to the media and was forced to apologize to teammates in a team meeting, a big game paired with a win could have made that situation disappear but the complete opposite happened. Beckham never got into the flow, was missed deep a couple times, and only impacted the game via the short passing game a few times. Something I noticed about Beckham from the All-22 is a lack of separation as a route runner. I dont think anything is physically wrong, as the elite burst is still there. However Beckham is doing way too much dancing at the point of attack. He is taking way too long to get into his actual route, and time is something Manning doesnt have when he drops back. The timing of these two is completely off. There is a very uneasy feeling with Beckham right now when it comes to his relationship with the team.
this following a game where he botched a ST play that put them in a deep hole. beckham has underwhelmed this season, on the field, on the sideline, in the lockerroom. it has nothing to do with "millennial feelings" or whatever the fuck some other poster said to be underwhelmed and disappointed with him thus far
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Youd think a player with his resume for the career would be allowed to mess up a punt return and not have that broadcast as if hes suddenly a negative to the roster rather than the best player on the team since 2014 amid a shitty, loser culture.
Biggest problem I have with Beckham is his failure to
Youd think a player with his resume for the career would be allowed to mess up a punt return and not have that broadcast as if hes suddenly a negative to the roster rather than the best player on the team since 2014 amid a shitty, loser culture.
Some are allowed to screw up over and over again. It just depends on who it is.
RE: Biggest problem I have with Beckham is his failure to
demonstrate he has the same big play capability as he did in prior seasons... if it's still there, he sure is hiding it well.
I think early on he was still a little hesitant. When you have an injury like he did, there is a psychological aspect of the recovery. That being said, it's hard for him to do anything when the only balls eli throws to him are 4 yard passes with 3 guys in his pocket.
RE: How so? Because it's not the reality of the situation.
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
demonstrate he has the same big play capability as he did in prior seasons... if it's still there, he sure is hiding it well.
I think early on he was still a little hesitant. When you have an injury like he did, there is a psychological aspect of the recovery. That being said, it's hard for him to do anything when the only balls eli throws to him are 4 yard passes with 3 guys in his pocket.
Take his top 10 greatest plays and probably a majority of them are him catching a 10 yard slant and just exploding through the secondary. Haven't seen even a tiny glimpse of that this year.
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
and making his feelings public to a press acting like hungry wolves, he gets baited into acting like the player and running his mouth. Probably was being laughed at and hearing mumblings about the sad state of his franchise in the meeting so he lost it. Maybe he should call out the rest of the team underperforming and there is a long list. He bashes talking to the media then does it himself.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
You're right. The offense is exactly the same. And everything is going as they thought it would. Ho-hum.
how their is any discussion on obj performance.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
It depends on what his job entails and how it was communicated to him by ownership and the coaches.
If its limited strictly to play on the field, sure hes doing his job although the production hasnt been there in some spots.
Id imagine Giants leadership had a discussion with Odell regarding expectations when they signed him to the big contract and those expectations went beyond Xs and Os on the field.
Bottom line is hes an immensely talented player but he needs to grow the fuck up and act like a professional and face of the franchise.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
Odell Beckham: 6 rec / 44 yards. After a slightly discouraging PR week for Beckham, whom has been fined by the team for comments made to the media and was forced to apologize to teammates in a team meeting, a big game paired with a win could have made that situation disappear but the complete opposite happened. Beckham never got into the flow, was missed deep a couple times, and only impacted the game via the short passing game a few times. Something I noticed about Beckham from the All-22 is a lack of separation as a route runner. I dont think anything is physically wrong, as the elite burst is still there. However Beckham is doing way too much dancing at the point of attack. He is taking way too long to get into his actual route, and time is something Manning doesnt have when he drops back. The timing of these two is completely off. There is a very uneasy feeling with Beckham right now when it comes to his relationship with the team.
this following a game where he botched a ST play that put them in a deep hole. beckham has underwhelmed this season, on the field, on the sideline, in the lockerroom. it has nothing to do with "millennial feelings" or whatever the fuck some other poster said to be underwhelmed and disappointed with him thus far
Would not be shocked if OBJ was loafing it last game, after having to apologize. Might have gotten his feelings hurt.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
Odell's performance/stats rely on the QB awhole lot more than Barkley's does, though. So, it doesn't surprise me that much. Plus, Beckham is coming off a serious knee injury to boot.
The more pissed I am we didnt just trade him. And its not that I dont like the guy or anything. But I said it then and Ill say it now. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE HIM HERE, PAYING HIM ALL THIS CAP, WITH ALL THESE HOLES ON THE TEAM. Id still take no less than a 1st and 3rd for him.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The more pissed I am we didnt just trade him. And its not that I dont like the guy or anything. But I said it then and Ill say it now. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE HIM HERE, PAYING HIM ALL THIS CAP, WITH ALL THESE HOLES ON THE TEAM. Id still take no less than a 1st and 3rd for him.
Well, the issue is that the FO and ownership didn't know what the big holes were. We came into the season thinking Eli still had something because of a Philly game last year. We came into this season thinking our OL would be much improved after making Solder the highest paid tackle in the NFL and drafting Hernandez in rd 2. The FO didn't know that our only pass rusher would get hurt.....again and they didn't know that everything would fall apart at the seems and the team would basically quit because our offense is inept.
The more pissed I am we didnt just trade him. And its not that I dont like the guy or anything. But I said it then and Ill say it now. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE HIM HERE, PAYING HIM ALL THIS CAP, WITH ALL THESE HOLES ON THE TEAM. Id still take no less than a 1st and 3rd for him.
It makes less sense to keep paying Eli after this year.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
Odell's performance/stats rely on the QB awhole lot more than Barkley's does, though. So, it doesn't surprise me that much. Plus, Beckham is coming off a serious knee injury to boot.
Either way. Still not enough to win games.
Dave, I agree that Odell relies on the OL and qb to function for him to get the ball. But the OL and and qb not functioning affects Barkley as well. Beckham also doesn't have to get the ball behind the LOS and dodge three guys a lot of times. We just see it different, I don't think there is a right and wrong answer
Athletes today are different. Yes, I am old school and when I played we knocked people out and there were no penalties. However, we also did not dance around and cry on the sidelines like a bunch of pussies if things were not going well.
All of that said, management knows the types of players we have in the league now. If Parcells and Belichik have taught us anything it is that X's and O's are half of the job and managing people and personalities are actually the key to success.
We are failing at managing Odell. Give credit to what appears to be a nice turn around with Eli Apple. I have to admit that I did not think he would improve not only on the field but with the other bullshit but he did and credit goes to management for that.
If they do not figure out how to manage Odell, it will be one of their biggest failures.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
It also appears to me that the number of posters now convinced Eli is done, is much larger than the contingency who wanted Eli out, prior to the season
What Mara said was long overdue. Glad he went public. What s going to happen, Giants might lose games?
these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
The stat you want is air yards. Yards per reception includes yardage gained after the catch.
these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
You won't get them because the guys who obsessively dislike him can't answer those questions in a way that fits their narratives.
Nothing Beckham is doing ON the field is a problem right now. He just needs to shut the fuck up off of it and stop acting like a petulant child on the sidelines when adversity hits.
It's really simple.
RE: Mara caused this by forcing Beckham on the Giants
these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
I am late to the discussion but no.. he has not shown less than full effort in games.
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
that "fans" were foaming out the mouth to get their beckham hot takes out after having nothing to bitch about in the offseason because he did everything right.
Now the bozo brigade is out in force making a muffed punt out to be as much of a crime as Matt Dodge's incompetence while he laughably still has the longest TD throw for the team in 2018.
these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
No one has answered you because there isn't any way anyone not actually ON the team can answer those questions unequivocally. We don't watch him every play of the game. We don't sit on the bench with him. We don't sit in the lockerroom and in meetings and at practice with him and we don't hang out with him in the offseason.
We don't know anything except what Twitter tells us. A lot of shit goes on behind closed doors that doesn't come out until much later on after the fact. His antics very well may be rubbing some teammates the wrong way. Maybe they aren't. Who knows for sure? Not everything gets devulged to the media.
RE: This is an example of an organization failing on every level...
Athletes today are different. Yes, I am old school and when I played we knocked people out and there were no penalties. However, we also did not dance around and cry on the sidelines like a bunch of pussies if things were not going well.
All of that said, management knows the types of players we have in the league now. If Parcells and Belichik have taught us anything it is that X's and O's are half of the job and managing people and personalities are actually the key to success.
We are failing at managing Odell. Give credit to what appears to be a nice turn around with Eli Apple. I have to admit that I did not think he would improve not only on the field but with the other bullshit but he did and credit goes to management for that.
If they do not figure out how to manage Odell, it will be one of their biggest failures.
No one can manage that basket case, Coughlin failed at it too. That's why Parcells wanted no part of TO.
OBJs clowns antics were bearable when he could get separation. Now he's an overpaid petulant Cody Lattimer.
RE: RE: Mara caused this by forcing Beckham on the Giants
that "fans" were foaming out the mouth to get their beckham hot takes out after having nothing to bitch about in the offseason because he did everything right.
Now the bozo brigade is out in force making a muffed punt out to be as much of a crime as Matt Dodge's incompetence while he laughably still has the longest TD throw for the team in 2018.
Shhh! Don't discourage them from posting, though. It at least gives everyone else a good laugh, which is needed yet again for another failed season for this team. Don't forget the 'lack of separation!11", too.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
Back to the semantics of base salary vs cap number again?
Hey, you know me. As long as people continue to espouse a fallacy, I'll try and correct it. It really is a simple concept. If Dave earned a bonus 4 years ago that pushes his earnings for that year to $80K, but then doesn't receive a bonus for the subsequent years, does his colleagues claim that Dave gets paid $80K/yr?
It counts as 22 million against the cap. That's all that matters at the end of the day. That's ALOT of money no matter how one slices it.
You do understand the difference between accounting for cap purposes and paid, don't you? You claimed someone (not mentioning names) was being paid $22M/yr. I asked you who was being paid $22M/yr. Can you not follow the conversation? Or perhaps your choice of verbs was poor?
It counts as 22 million against the cap. That's all that matters at the end of the day. That's ALOT of money no matter how one slices it.
You do understand the difference between accounting for cap purposes and paid, don't you? You claimed someone (not mentioning names) was being paid $22M/yr. I asked you who was being paid $22M/yr. Can you not follow the conversation? Or perhaps your choice of verbs was poor?
Imagine being reduced to semantics when you're talking about a one year cap hit of $22 million. It's come to that, I suppose.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
Average target air yards (TAY) for Beckham,
2018 - 9.8
2016 - 11.4 Link - ( New Window )
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
No one would describe your sense as common.
How's your josh rosen prediction working out?
What was my Rosen prediction? I know I said he would fall in the draft, which he did. What else did I predict? I wasn't a fan pre draft and am not a fan of the pro so far.
these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
No one has answered you because there isn't any way anyone not actually ON the team can answer those questions unequivocally. We don't watch him every play of the game. We don't sit on the bench with him. We don't sit in the lockerroom and in meetings and at practice with him and we don't hang out with him in the offseason.
We don't know anything except what Twitter tells us.
Nonsense. His teammates have loudly defended him and made sure to point out how hard he works.
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
Are you saying they are losing because of Beckham? That is beyond ignorant.
It's the type of high functioning analysis you've come to expect
Did I miss something? Why say this now? Did something new happen? I don't think so. Why not say something LAST WEEK when this was the story. Was Mara hiding under a rock somewhere?
So thanks a lot Mara, for keeping this in the news cycle again. Giants have been under a microscope long enough for a losing team. Thanks for the added pressure for MFL at Atlanta. Should have gotten that out of the way last week when everyone else was.
This is starting to look like the blind leading the blind.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy.
I understand why you are saying you cant win with the guy. I get it. However, I disagree. I think you CAN win with the guy but we just do not have the leadership here who knows how to deal with him. Someone like this needs to go to an organization where winning is bigger than any individual achievement. No player is above the law and if you do not conform then you are out.
Mara just paid the little asshole $100M. He has the right to call him whatever he wants when he acts up which he does constantly.
The real problem with this organization is there are no leaders who are capable of handling Beckham. Who do we have? Mara. Please. Shurmer, aka Silent Sam. Eli. Yikes. There are none. Does anyone think this problem would have lasted this long when George Young was the GM, Parcells was the coach and the likes of Taylor, Carson, Banks and Burt were roaming around? One of those 4 would have rattled the shit out of that egocentric weasel by now.
This won't end until Beckham is gone. DG should dial up Senile Jerry and dump the little puke on the Cowboys for 2 #1s while he can. And Mara should sell his half of the team to an owner with some balls.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
Back to the semantics of base salary vs cap number again?
Hey, you know me. As long as people continue to espouse a fallacy, I'll try and correct it. It really is a simple concept. If Dave earned a bonus 4 years ago that pushes his earnings for that year to $80K, but then doesn't receive a bonus for the subsequent years, does his colleagues claim that Dave gets paid $80K/yr?
If that bonus was being accrued against subsequent years' finite staffing budgets and adversely affected the company's ability to upgrade talent elsewhere, you're darn right I would.
The cap number is what's relevant here and we all know it. For all intents and purposes, the base salary is actually more of the fallacy since it affects nothing other than the Giants' cash flow.
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
I like your style. After having labored thru this thread, it's apparent that the same illuminati who want Eli gone for non-performance are basically the same ones who will cling to and defend the non-performance of their little diva WR.
Such is the bullshit on BBI.
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
Oh stop it. It is way easier to just admit that while my tone is aggresive sometimes that I nailed this Beckham shit from the Carolina game, actually before that. The Rams game.
He isn't right upstairs. Its not TO doing situps in his driveway for attention.
I don't know if its drugs, or just a weird personality disorder, or an extreme immaturity, or most likely just a narcissistic calculated set of actions put in motion to make himself bigger than football and a global celebrity.
Whatever it is, he isnt a Giant. He can catch 500tds in blue but if he acts this way he can never be a Giant. I cant put it any better than that and i knew it from early on.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So whats the current percentage
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
Oh stop it. It is way easier to just admit that while my tone is aggresive sometimes that I nailed this Beckham shit from the Carolina game, actually before that. The Rams game.
He isn't right upstairs. Its not TO doing situps in his driveway for attention.
I don't know if its drugs, or just a weird personality disorder, or an extreme immaturity, or most likely just a narcissistic calculated set of actions put in motion to make himself bigger than football and a global celebrity.
Whatever it is, he isnt a Giant. He can catch 500tds in blue but if he acts this way he can never be a Giant. I cant put it any better than that and i knew it from early on.
A guy making all that money needs to keep stuff in the lockeroom. He cannot be putting it up on social media and interviews with press. It is very simple and he doesnt get it. Some how he was smart enough to keep his mouth shut until he got paid. I do not see the Giants winning with him. He needs the spotlight and does not want to share. It will not sit well with him when Barkley gets the headlines after the game. I do not buy into that he is all about winning. No he is all about OBJ.
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
You can't win with him? What about our 11-5 season where he carried the offense?
Odell was an asshole for using that setting to voice a very relevant message.
John Mara condemns his star wide receiver for speaking publicly on Giants issues by ripping him...publicly. This organization reaches new levels of dumb everyday.
The "you can't win with Beckham" crowd is beyond absurd. Of course you can, but you need to stop putting uncle Rico out there at quarterback. So what exactly can you not win with? His attitude? Please.
the Giants star WR, arguably a top 3 wide out, is upset because he knows how talented he is and what he can contribute if you just get him the ball in the right spots. We don't. He certainly has immature moments. WHO CARES? He is an absolute stud. And you want to complain and tell me he isn't the right leader...whose bright idea was it to anoint our volatile WR as leader? Whats that? The veteran presence on this team blows and no one wanted the job besides him?
No chatter on him saying how much he loves New York and wants to bring the title back to town. Not surprised.
Two weeks ago when the interview happened and the story was mostly about Odell, Mara is nowhere to be found.
This week the stories have been mostly about Eli since Thursday, and now Mara decides to comment.
Seems convenient
I think you are just looking for something. Plus, he was asked a question and he answered it. He did not schedule a press conference to talk about OBJ.
Two weeks ago when the interview happened and the story was mostly about Odell, Mara is nowhere to be found.
This week the stories have been mostly about Eli since Thursday, and now Mara decides to comment.
Seems convenient
I think you are just looking for something. Plus, he was asked a question and he answered it. He did not schedule a press conference to talk about OBJ.
Plus it was at owners meetings and chance for reporters to get to him and asked questions..otherwise it's still be no word from him til bye week
their dislike for OBJ and his talents. He's one of the most talented skill position players in the NFL. He's a winner and someone that improves our chances of winning, despite his immature outbursts that annoy so many people.
I'm glad Mara spoke, I think it's necessary. I have no issues with anything he said. Hopefully the team and OBJ responds well.
a "winner". he's been on one winning team his whole career, and shat the bed in the playoff game that season, while eli was throwing lazers all over the field.
he's talented yea, sure. but he caught 6 passes for 44 yards last thursday and has been struggling to get separation this year, in addition to the lockerroom and sideline bullshit. he's one of the most unllikeable marquee players i can recall the giants having since i've been old enough to pay attention.
Culture matters, I am not saying it does not. I also think fan/media perception is different from people in the lockerroom which is all that really matters.
That being said, I am not absolving him from his behavior this season. I agree with Mara, shut up and play football. Everyone would benefit from that, including the Giants.
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culture does matter- the giants was bad before odell, and remains bad... and the sit back and be silent and stink type arent helping the culture either. and odell isnt helping it with the interview and his overall vibe is generating negative attention.
but his on the field work and effort is 100% helpful for the team- there is no debating that.
I think I'd rather have the outspoken guy who can't handle losing and gets driven mad by it than the guy who is just happy to collect a check, say nothing, be content with losing, and go home.
Beckham needs to just cut the shit with the antics and keep things in-house. He needs to make this about the Giants and stop making it about himself.
I'm tired of all that too. But if the team wasn't so fucking bad, we wouldn't be hearing about any of it and he's not the reason why we suck.
Like I've said before - if you're going to call Odell Beckham a loser, you'd better start calling Saquon Barkley one too.
Again, people can't separate their dislike for him and be reasonable.
i'm being perfectly reasonable.. odell is an all-world talent with a 10 cent head, and an unlikeable personality. but yea, i guess i'm thankful that he's kept his crazy off the field of play this year, and has relegated it to the sideline, the lockerroom and the media.
and yes.. until odell WINS something that matters, he's not a winner. what is the rationale for calling him a winner. what's he won? shit, last week he wasn't even winning his one-on-one battles..
forgive me for expecting a bit more from the highest paid WR in the game. ffs.
apples and oranges. eli's first playoff game was his first full season as a starter. he was basically a rookie. odell's was not.
i realize some on here will go to any lengths to defend him because of his natural talent. but you'll remember the giants won their first superbowl without tiki, and without shockey- two players who everyone believed were key, marquee players, who also happened to be selfish, immature guys.
again, i liked and supported beckham up THROUGH the josh norman debacle (coughlin's last year here). but the bullshit side drama he continually brings has worn thin for me since that point. i probably soured on him after the playoff game where he sucked, and the following season where he was pissing like a dog as the giants were on their way to a 0-3 start to 2017. it is what it is at this point. i am rooting for him to get his head out of his ass, but i feel like i've been waiting for that for literally years now.
apples and oranges. eli's first playoff game was his first full season as a starter. he was basically a rookie. odell's was not.
i realize some on here will go to any lengths to defend him because of his natural talent. but you'll remember the giants won their first superbowl without tiki, and without shockey- two players who everyone believed were key, marquee players, who also happened to be selfish, immature guys.
again, i liked and supported beckham up THROUGH the josh norman debacle (coughlin's last year here). but the bullshit side drama he continually brings has worn thin for me since that point. i probably soured on him after the playoff game where he sucked, and the following season where he was pissing like a dog as the giants were on their way to a 0-3 start to 2017. it is what it is at this point. i am rooting for him to get his head out of his ass, but i feel like i've been waiting for that for literally years now.
People thought Burress was a selfish, immature guy too. Pretty sure he was the one who caught the game winning TD pass.
By the way, Jeremy Shockey caught the game winning TD pass for the Saints the very next year in the Super Bowl.
So the whole "selfish divas never win" narrative is bullshit.
did win the superbowl without tiki and shockey, right? and that was eli's 4th year as a pro. i also don't recall shockey acting like a selfish headcase on the saints, or at least not to the extent that he was here. i also don't recall anyone saying that about burress, at least not up through the superbowl season. in 2008, sure, yea.
i'm relieved to see you you acknowledge that beckham is a selfish diva- just a selfish diva that you really like and think is really good for the team.
I guess you forgot about the way Burress used to skip practices all the time, incur fines, and all of the other nonsense that went on. It wasn't all after the Super Bowl, either.
We can shift and move the goal posts as much as you want. Both guys were called bad teammates, both guys were called selfish. Both guys have Super Bowl rings and have the game winning scores to their names.
I don't need to be best friends with the athletes on the teams I root for. I don't really give a shit if Odell Beckham is a "diva" or not. He's an excellent football player. That's about as much as I care.
The narrative that we can't win with Beckham is manufactured trash. It's a lazy, stupid argument and anyone who actually understands the sport should know that it's not even remotely true.
Burress is Manning's favorite target, but when attendance is taken at practice, and the wide receiver is among the missing, Eli isn't among the thrilled. So, "It's not a great situation," followed by, "Imagine how many touchdowns he'd have if he was practicing."
And because he isn't, "You can't put in too many new routes or plays he's never run before. Tons of different things" they can't try.
"That's a first for me and a first for a lot of people," Eli says. "It's not a situation you like or he likes, having him sitting down and watching us."
A great situation, it's not. "But you've got to do it and there's no point complaining. You just got to make it work," Eli says.
Remember when he "hurt his knee in the shower" the night before?
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below... Link - ( New Window )
Can barely be covered for 2 seconds. If we had a QB that could buy some time with his feet, OBJ would put up numbers that leave no doubt he is the best receiver in the game. He knows this, his shot a Manning was very soft but true. We need a QB yesterday. Who else on the team can actually call out Manning and not be run off? Our weapons are actually better than the Rams IMHO. The difference is Whitworth and Goff.
Remember when he "hurt his knee in the shower" the night before?
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below... Link - ( New Window )
I'd consider the Giants fortunate that Plax didn't blow up in their faces prior to winning the Super Bowl. It was damn close.
That team was good enough and stacked with enough veterans to abide two idiots, though the offense got better once Shockey got hurt. This current team is terrible, and Beckham is probably the veteran to whom the players look up to the most. I think he is a leader on this team, and we're seeing the results.
plaxico stuff.. for some reason all i remember is that green by playoff game and his moments of glory during the 2007 SB run. funny how that works. i also remember him having a good relationship with eli. but yea, revisionist history on my part for sure. i think most of his fines were for being late (not five minutes early and shit like that) and i definitely remember him missing lots of practices in 2007. but i don't recall him being cancerous until the 2008 season when they jumped out to 11-1 before he shot himself.
i'm not saying the giants can't win with beckham. i never said that. but they haven't really to this point, 2016 being the exception and that was on back of the defense. maybe all of this is the fault of a cooked eli.. maybe beckham's head will improve with a rookie QB, or a recycled veteran like david carr or some such. who knows. but he's become one of my least favorite giants of all time, talent aside. if you think that makes me "stupid" or buying into the media agenda against him, whatever man. i have a different opinion than you. big fucking deal. it's not a right or wrong kind of a proposition.
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Remember when he "hurt his knee in the shower" the night before?
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below... Link - ( New Window )
Yep. There were problems with Plax before 2008.
A gym buddy of mine was the head of security at NY Hospital the night the brought Plax in. Hes also close with the organization. He told me there is stuff from that night that no one will ever know.
eli was wet behind the ears his first playoff game and i attribute the goose egg in part to that, yea. is it easier to overlook that coz of the two SB wins. absolutely. in the 2016 GB playoff game it was beckham's third year as a pro. he was a veteran, and team leader at that point. granted none of the other WRs were good that day either. i don't give eli any passes for sucking it up in the 2008 season playoff game v the eagles after plax shot himself, and i don't give him any passes for his current level of play either.
beckham to me has looked very average on the field this year. maybe that's all on eli's decline. but it's easier to ignore the off the field nonsense/drama when he's producing and of course when the team is winning. i know he's frustrated and sick of losing. so are all the fans. losing this consistently is rough on everyone. sadly, eli seems used to it at this point. like i said man, i hope he gets it together. im a giants fan. im not rooting against him. just disappointed.
beckham to me has looked very average on the field this year.
eli was wet behind the ears his first playoff game and i attribute the goose egg in part to that, yea. is it easier to overlook that coz of the two SB wins. absolutely. in the 2016 GB playoff game it was beckham's third year as a pro. he was a veteran, and team leader at that point. granted none of the other WRs were good that day either. i don't give eli any passes for sucking it up in the 2008 season playoff game v the eagles after plax shot himself, and i don't give him any passes for his current level of play either.
beckham to me has looked very average on the field this year. maybe that's all on eli's decline. but it's easier to ignore the off the field nonsense/drama when he's producing and of course when the team is winning. i know he's frustrated and sick of losing. so are all the fans. losing this consistently is rough on everyone. sadly, eli seems used to it at this point. like i said man, i hope he gets it together. im a giants fan. im not rooting against him. just disappointed.
It was only Beckham's second FULL season using your halfwit logic.
yards is average for him to me. what the fuck do you want me to say? i expect more from the most talented WR in the game. and yes, i realize eli is a was a shitshow thursday.
yards is average for him to me. what the fuck do you want me to say? i expect more from the most talented WR in the game. and yes, i realize eli is a was a shitshow thursday.
By definition, half his performances will be below average.
I think it's your expectations that need to change, not his effort.
So it looks like Odell Beckham Sr. has something to say about Mara
No, they're not directly related nor mutually exclusive. But that also doesn't make you "smarter" than anyone here. But whatever makes you feel better while you continue being a miserable whiner.
an awesome war of words, but this hasn't played out just yet. I know some people want to claim victory and want so bad to say "I told you so", but nothing is over. I think the Giants still want OBJ and I think they'd sign him again if they could.
You don't claim victory in the 2nd inning of a baseball game.
taking a shot at the owner who showed his faith in his son. He could have let Odell play out the current contract, franchise tag, etc. No.. Mara did the right thing for his son. Short fucking memory. Tell your son to do the right thing by Mara now.
an awesome war of words, but this hasn't played out just yet. I know some people want to claim victory and want so bad to say "I told you so", but nothing is over. I think the Giants still want OBJ and I think they'd sign him again if they could.
You don't claim victory in the 2nd inning of a baseball game.
I want Odell here for his entire career. I want him to finish as the best WR in NFL history. I want him to leave the circus act at home.
People care way too much about being viewed as "smart" or "right" here. That's the real motivation behind most of these arguments. Not the Giants.
Fact. By the way.....Trey Burton sucks. I was right about him.
What was that thing you just said about not winning a game in the 2nd inning? Dummy.
Burton just isn't seeing the same target share as other starting TE's. He's only had the ball thrown his way 22 times and still has 3 scores which is as many as any TE not named Eric Ebron.
I only own him in one league anyway. I own Ertz in every other one, who, is the top scoring TE right now.
People care way too much about being viewed as "smart" or "right" here. That's the real motivation behind most of these arguments. Not the Giants.
And all your sarcastic "HE'S A CANCER! CUT HIM!" posts about Beckham these past couple years... Was that about your concern over the Giants or wanting to feel superior to those who saw Beckham for what he is?
People care way too much about being viewed as "smart" or "right" here. That's the real motivation behind most of these arguments. Not the Giants.
And all your sarcastic "HE'S A CANCER! CUT HIM!" posts about Beckham these past couple years... Was that about your concern over the Giants or wanting to feel superior to those who saw Beckham for what he is?
Cmon, you very much care about how you're viewed - you have tossed me that same line you put out there above about how smart you are and how you're smarter than whoever you're responding to.
You clearly think very highly of your own opinions.
And the sarcastic cancer stuff was much less me than others here.
Besides, you've been doing the same thing non stop for the past two weeks mocking those people, so you're really just playing the same game and aren't any better than any of the people you're criticizing for it.
the last year odell was healthy- he carried the team to the playoffs
the year he was hurt- the giants were a disgrace
his first year back- in 6 games- hes still putting up top 10 wr stats- which is not what we are used to, but in the context fine.
so i guess in the world of feelings and emotions and selective interpretation.... people are "right"--- but in football? which is wht i care about.... not really
lot of self pats on back for being "right" going on here...
the last year odell was healthy- he carried the team to the playoffs
the year he was hurt- the giants were a disgrace
his first year back- in 6 games- hes still putting up top 10 wr stats- which is not what we are used to, but in the context fine.
so i guess in the world of feelings and emotions and selective interpretation.... people are "right"--- but in football? which is wht i care about.... not really
lot of self pats on back for being "right" going on here...
the last year odell was healthy- he carried the team to the playoffs
the year he was hurt- the giants were a disgrace
his first year back- in 6 games- hes still putting up top 10 wr stats- which is not what we are used to, but in the context fine.
so i guess in the world of feelings and emotions and selective interpretation.... people are "right"--- but in football? which is wht i care about.... not really
lot of self pats on back for being "right" going on here...
It's sad in a way - because the same folks are content to call Barkley the next Barry Sanders without the same level of production due to the OL/offensive issues.
Meanwhile, Beckham's coming back from an injury and can't throw the ball to himself, he's been open plenty and not thrown to, and his stats are still very good but not great. And that's enough to warrant the same folks taking shots at him.
It's the lamest attempt at pushing a narrative I've ever seen
No shit his scoring production isn't there. The Quarterback has been junk other than one game, and the OL still isn't very good. A child could see the flaws in this script, but it still doesn't prevent some geniuses from attempting to turn their personal distaste for Beckham into a football issue.
And cue the "well, if he had a QB who could get him the ball..."
Love it!!!
He's the idiot that gave the idiot a huge contract.
2. John Mara needs to shut the fuck up. He's majorly responsible for the massive downturn this franchise has taken.
He isn't wrong about Beckham at all, but this is Jerry Jones stuff. Let the coach handle it.
Once the owner comes out and starts making comments like this, it doesn't end well.
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
He isn't wrong about Beckham at all, but this is Jerry Jones stuff. Let the coach handle it.
Once the owner comes out and starts making comments like this, it doesn't end well.
Yep - and unlike Odell, Mara's track record has been shit for some time now.
What he did was about his own ego to make himself look like the big man in charge to the public. You give non-answers to questions about that topic and say everything that has needed to be said has been said and it's an internal issue. Boom, no sound bytes.
Seriously questioning Mara's judgement here.
Think about that.
Overall people are stupid.. they make a big deal of what OBJ is saying.. when in reality the big deal is our record.. regardless of all this drama we are still the worst team in the league.. The losing caused this drama not the other way around.. Fix the losing and no one will care about the drama..
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to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
so your position is that there's nothing to see here? and it's dumb to care about beckham being fined and held to account by the coach, and by the owner? k then.
Beckham is right to be frustrated. He's right to see the way PIT, HOU, ATL, etc. get the ball to their star WR's while we can't do anything but throw him bubble screens or quick slants expecting him to take it to the house.
But Beckham needs to fucking stop with the public comments, the tantrums, the childish behavior. Enough is enough.
Mara is right about that. But again - this isn't something Mara should be opining on in public. It basically undermines the coach and it creates even more of a shitshow.
It's just all bad for the Giants right now. It's pretty infuriating.
I think we should blame that pathetic clown show of a muffed punt for a TD on Eli as well!
Or maybe is was the sun's fault? Or maybe it was Jenkins' fault?
Anyone but Odell!
And you do that...internally. Publicly, you are exacerbating the situation which is a bad move for the organization. Is your duty to the health and success of the organization or is your duty to feed your ego by seeing your name in the paper?
It doesn't matter if his sentiment is right (and it is right), what matters is being above the tit for tat and putting your franchise first. This was a controversy that was pretty much over. Now it's not going to be, and it has the potential to become a toxic situation with one of your best players. There was no need for this.
BTW..not John Mara one of the major reasons we are back in the 70's
Mara should have listened to my sagely advice to trade him this summer.
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to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
so your position is that there's nothing to see here? and it's dumb to care about beckham being fined and held to account by the coach, and by the owner? k then.
No, he needs to clean it up, but the fact that it bothers people so much is funny to me, always will be.
...OBJ is trying to get primetime replay with his head-butting on the sideline because he ain't getting any primetime replay for his (lack of) TD catches.
A passive aggressive Instragram post, followed by gentle sobbing on Josina Anderson's shoulder.
Beckham is right to be frustrated. He's right to see the way PIT, HOU, ATL, etc. get the ball to their star WR's while we can't do anything but throw him bubble screens or quick slants expecting him to take it to the house.
But Beckham needs to fucking stop with the public comments, the tantrums, the childish behavior. Enough is enough.
Mara is right about that. But again - this isn't something Mara should be opining on in public. It basically undermines the coach and it creates even more of a shitshow.
It's just all bad for the Giants right now. It's pretty infuriating.
Spot on. Sure, OBJ could shut up, but regardless, nobody wins a war of words in the media between owner and WR
...OBJ is trying to get primetime replay with his head-butting on the sideline because he ain't getting any primetime replay for his (lack of) TD catches.
Who isn't frustrated by the stats bbn of this team. The franchise has been bad since 2012.
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to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
so your position is that there's nothing to see here? and it's dumb to care about beckham being fined and held to account by the coach, and by the owner? k then.
No, he needs to clean it up, but the fact that it bothers people so much is funny to me, always will be.
it doesn't bother me "so much," but odell has become on of my least favorite giants. and i fully defended him up through the josh norman debacle. i just don't understand a fan who would concede that odell's bullshit is a problem he needs to clean up, yet also say they think it's funny that his bullshit is annoying to other giants fans. seems dumb to me
What a clusterf*ck of an organization right now.
You are his boss. If you want something to change you do it behind closed doors. Or you have the coach to do it or GM. You aren't Jerry Jones and who wants to be Jerry Jones anyway?
"There is an Odell problem. It is a problem. It is a problem when you keep losing, and Fox is zooming in on him ...and I saw Martellus Bennett who I follow on Twitter, he's like 'don't blame it all on Odell' and he thought that Joe and Troy and the Fox broadcast were way too focused on his antics and not on Eli Mannings inability to play the quarterback position at a high level anymore. And in that regard I think Martellus is right...but its also, what have you built up in the respect bank, in the National Football League? And at this point it appears that Odell has insufficient funds in that bank."
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
So he thought this was the appropriate medium by which to share his thoughts?! Top to bottom this organization is in trouble!
Getts your up next! What says you?
-Racism
-An anti-Beckham agenda from the media
-A young kid who captured fame too soon and just needed to mature
-Just a passionate guy
-Frustration with losing (even though his only playoff game to date included more idiotic behavior and poor performance)
-It's Eli Manning's fault
I'm sure there will be more.
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous.
Not every owner makes comments like these when their team is playing poorly. It's a matter of understanding how to handle certain situations and realizing that comments like these do nothing but make matters worse.
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
Maybe if you have no self control, but its a problem if youve been born into this business and dont have the self control to not make a bad situation worse with your words. You are signing the checks, you have that conversation with the player and not through the media.
Youd say something to the media? Why?
They are laying the groundwork for any future infractions that could lead the Giants to suspend up for conduct detrimental to the team and recoup some of the bonus money.
And cue the "well, if he had a QB who could get him the ball..."
They are laying the groundwork for any future infractions that could lead the Giants to suspend up for conduct detrimental to the team and recoup some of the bonus money.
Or, and stay with me here, I'm just spitballing ideas.......they want him to shut up and play football.
There doesn't need to be some deep motivation here. Odell is great at football. Odell needs to learn how to communicate his concerns or feelings in the right way. STFU and play football, which is what you are paid very well to do. Thats it.
I don't think there is any doubt anymore that this is as low and bad a point the Giants have been in since the 70s.
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to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
so your position is that there's nothing to see here? and it's dumb to care about beckham being fined and held to account by the coach, and by the owner? k then.
No, he needs to clean it up, but the fact that it bothers people so much is funny to me, always will be.
it doesn't bother me "so much," but odell has become on of my least favorite giants. and i fully defended him up through the josh norman debacle. i just don't understand a fan who would concede that odell's bullshit is a problem he needs to clean up, yet also say they think it's funny that his bullshit is annoying to other giants fans. seems dumb to me
It wont seem dumb when you realize that its ok to want X player to be different but not enough for it to bother you. Theres a ton of problems on this team, the focus should be on those. Everything else is just feeding the media.
Blocking, QB play, playcalling, defense, etc are all far larger issues that need attention. Id rather Odell fix his special teams play than worry about what he says to Lil Wayne.
LOL!
That was good one.
Sorry, piece of shit troll says what now?
What was your last handle?
Obvious troll is obvious.
So was Odell about the offense, the QB and this teams heart or lack of it.
you find humorous that people do not give a shit about a players persinality and just root for the name on the front?
did you root for michael boley?
You are his boss. If you want something to change you do it behind closed doors. Or you have the coach to do it or GM. You aren't Jerry Jones and who wants to be Jerry Jones anyway?
he's not the best player anymore and he'll never be able to take that. the more saquon shines the more he'll act out.
you do realize he defended eli, he didnt throw him under the bus like espn made it seem...
he also said it was his job to get the team up and ready tonj play he didnt name any players...
Of course what Odell did was wrong. So what better way to try to point out it was wrong than for Mara to go and make that public statement, which was better delivered in person.
Do as I say, not as I do?
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that a fan can like Odell and also like Barkley And Shepard. They're polar opposites as people. two class acts one piece of shit pussy
you find humorous that people do not give a shit about a players persinality and just root for the name on the front?
did you root for michael boley?
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taking pot shots at your best player through the media is what players do to each other.
You are his boss. If you want something to change you do it behind closed doors. Or you have the coach to do it or GM. You aren't Jerry Jones and who wants to be Jerry Jones anyway?
he's not the best player anymore and he'll never be able to take that. the more saquon shines the more he'll act out.
yes lets complete ignore the fact that he doesnt care who shines as long as the team wins, lets ignore that he is friends with barkley and talks up barkley every chance he gets..
lets ignore that thisnis the same player that fscetimed barkley 5 minutes after he was drafted..
lets ignore the same guy who refused an interview with nfl network unless the entire wide receiver core was involved..
this notion that beckham csres about barkley being a better player is laughable..
Piece of shit pussy? Dude, step away from the keyboard and get some help
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
"Odell hates losing. We all hate losing. We are 1-5 and we are going to do everything that we can to win some games. Everyone is frustrated, not just Odell. Its our job to make sure that we start winning some games."
Its not that hard. 1. Say everyone hates losing; 2. acknowledge its frustrating; 3 say we're going to do everything to start winning.
Seriously. Amazing point.
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to sign him to a second contract, despite his talents, he's a pouty babyman with a crazy streak. can't wait to see 10 more weeks of him yelling into a fan and banging his head on things on the sideline. oh wait, i'm just being duped by the evil media and am tricked by their agenda, that's right..
I hope it keeps happening so I can laugh at guys like you who actually care about it.
so your position is that there's nothing to see here? and it's dumb to care about beckham being fined and held to account by the coach, and by the owner? k then.
No, he needs to clean it up, but the fact that it bothers people so much is funny to me, always will be.
it doesn't bother me "so much," but odell has become on of my least favorite giants. and i fully defended him up through the josh norman debacle. i just don't understand a fan who would concede that odell's bullshit is a problem he needs to clean up, yet also say they think it's funny that his bullshit is annoying to other giants fans. seems dumb to me
It wont seem dumb when you realize that its ok to want X player to be different but not enough for it to bother you. Theres a ton of problems on this team, the focus should be on those. Everything else is just feeding the media.
Blocking, QB play, playcalling, defense, etc are all far larger issues that need attention. Id rather Odell fix his special teams play than worry about what he says to Lil Wayne.
no, that doesn't seem dumb. what seems dumb is that you would take pleasure in other fans being annoyed by beckham reverting back to form and airing grievances publicly in stream of consciousness form, or otherwise acting like an idiot, while also making major mistakes on the field (and not just the horrific whiff on the punt).
this was a 3-13 team last year. i understand that it will take time to fix the blocking, the defense, the QB, etc etc. but odell was given a large second contract and is supposed to be part of the solution and one thing we can feel positive about going forward. i definitely don't feel that way about him, and yes, that is annoying to me. but kudos to you for taking pleasure in that, man. i'm sure you're right- whatever crap beckham says about the giants in sit-down interviews in season with popular rappers or the worst that the gossip sports media has to offer isn't the "real" issue here. *eyeroll*
Although reality TV is loved by a lot of people.
It reminds me of the old SNL skit, "Bad Idea Jeans"...
Guy #2: Youre renting, right?
Guy #1: Yeah.
Guy #3: Well, hes an ex free-base addict, and hes trying to turn around, and he needs a place to stay for a couple of months.
Guy #4: Now that I have kids, I feel a lot better having a gun in the house.
Guy #3: I thought about it, and even though its over, Im going to tell my wife about the affair.
Guy #5: I dont know the guy, but Ive got two kidneys and he needs one, so I figured..
Guy #2: Normally I wear protection, but then I thought, When am I gonna make it back to Haiti?
NFL owner: the guy's a pain in the ass and I'm not sure I can trust him, but I figure I'll pay him $90M.
Bad idea.
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
No, it's called being an adult and knowing where your responsibility lies. I might not keep my mouth shut behind closed doors but I certainly wouldn't go public.
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
Wellington Mara gave serial domestic abuser, multi arrest Tito Wooten to a contract extension.
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
He's not even the best player on th team anymore. Barkley is.
How has making OBj happy worked out?
How has making OBj happy worked out?
Beckham would be happy if had a QB that could throw him the ball. Not his fault Eli stinks
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would not have stood for any of this nonsense. This team always had pride and heritage. It meant something to wear the uniform. The photo of Barkley looking at all the greats gave me chills to think what this kid can do and has not disappointed me yet.
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
Wellington Mara gave serial domestic abuser, multi arrest Tito Wooten to a contract extension.
LAWRENCE TAYLOR PLAYED GAMES ON COCAINE THE NIGHT AFTER HE SENT HOOKERS TO STAR PLAYERS ON THE OPPOSING TEAM'S HOTEL ROOMS.
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If any one of us were the owner of a sports franchise, we would have a hard time just saying " no comment " or absolutely nothing.
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
Maybe if you have no self control, but its a problem if youve been born into this business and dont have the self control to not make a bad situation worse with your words. You are signing the checks, you have that conversation with the player and not through the media.
First, I didn't say he should have said something. I am indifferent to it either way. I don't pretend to have all the answers in regards to OBJ and John Mara. I simply stated that it is much easier to sit back and comment about what our owner says ( or shouldn't say ) then to truly try and understand his situation at all. I guess we can assume you are extremely cautious with all your words and have never said anything to anyone that you wish you hadn't said? Or are you so guarded with your words or thoughts that you avoid conflict and you leave everything to the assumptions of the masses?
I bet you are the same guy that would be pissed if you heard nothing from Mara at all.
I will not pretend to think that Mara is faultless. But he is the OWNER of this team. He writes the checks. He has spent a lot of money for this debacle of a football team. It is his mess and people are blaming him for keeping Reese and firing Coughlin, keeping Eli and getting rid of McAdoo. Hiring Gettlemen and Shurmur and not drafting a QB.
At some point and time, when do we realize that the players need to play better? The coaches need to coach better and the GM needs to pick good players and make effective signings?
I love OBJ but he seems more concerned with his brand than the NY on the side of his helmet.
John Mara is right.....worry about playing football. He has a right to say it. That is what they all should be worrying about.
even when things were going well he wasn't exactly "fine." he played one of his worst games v. green bay in the playoffs the 2016 season, dropping everything he touched and then punching a hole in the lockerroom wall post-game. he had a brain fart that arguably cost them a win v carolina this year, and was a pouty non-factor v the eagles the following week.
Giants owner John Mara thinks Odell Beckham "needs to do a little more playing and a little less talking."
"I wish he would create the headlines by his play on the field as opposed to what he says and what he does off the field," Mara added. It is good Mara has identified Beckham as the Giants' real problem and not Eli Manning's ever deteriorating skill set.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
Giants owner John Mara thinks Odell Beckham "needs to do a little more playing and a little less talking."
"I wish he would create the headlines by his play on the field as opposed to what he says and what he does off the field," Mara added. It is good Mara has identified Beckham as the Giants' real problem and not Eli Manning's ever deteriorating skill set.
IAEF
Even when the discussion is about another player - IAEF.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
How has making OBj happy worked out?
Agree, the Giants had all the cards in this one. Beckham, according to his interview, "sacrificed" a lot. His sacrifice was not doing his antics and reporting to training camp without a contract. It worked, the Giants extended him when they didn't have to and four weeks into the season he is publicly capping on his teammates, the city he plays in and his new HC. Mara has sour grapes now, but he has no one to bake but himself.
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not using the 5th year option and not using the tag if necessary next year....
How has making OBj happy worked out?
Agree, the Giants had all the cards in this one. Beckham, according to his interview, "sacrificed" a lot. His sacrifice was not doing his antics and reporting to training camp without a contract. It worked, the Giants extended him when they didn't have to and four weeks into the season he is publicly capping on his teammates, the city he plays in and his new HC. Mara has sour grapes now, but he has no one to bake but himself.
blame but himself. Thing is, Beckham is popular despite winning nothing and sells a lot of jerseys. He is especially popular with young fans.
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And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
2. John Mara needs to shut the fuck up. He's majorly responsible for the massive downturn this franchise has taken.
Nailed it!
Now he publicly goes after one of the best players in the league, who is probably a lot tighter with most of the room than the QB is. This could get uncomfortable
In regards to Eli, the performance isn't there either but he's the epitome of what a teammate should be and acts.
I like both players and realize OBJ requires some add'l patience but there is a threshold that the Giants may hit before his contract expires.
Now he publicly goes after one of the best players in the league, who is probably a lot tighter with most of the room than the QB is. This could get uncomfortable
He publicly went to bat for one of his best players by signing a $95 million check when he didn't have to. And, that is the key, Mara could have let OBJ play this year without any security and given his track record of disruption that might not have been a bad idea. So, I think Mara "went to bat" for OBJ as well as Eli.
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the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
You're saying Bill Parcells never used the media in regards to a player???? Come again??? lol
Mara is giving what the fans want to hear from him and saying themselves (fans)..but it should be, despite what we want him (Mara) to say, should had been said via Visa face to face behind closed doors to Odell himself
Mara isnt wrong in what he said though
His owner made him look like a fool in public and in media..watch
The only people who have handled this correctly has been Eli and Shurmur
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
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with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
Not saying you..... but many people in this place and around the nation will remember the latter instead of the former.
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with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
Not saying you..... but many people in this place and around the nation will remember the latter instead of the former.
Well, people have short-attentions spans now more than ever.
However, even you have to admit, it would be nice to have a decent season once in awhile.
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with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
A pathetic response from an alleged Giants fan.
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
They've been a terrible football team on the field for half a decade.
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with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
A pathetic response from an alleged Giants fan.
How so? I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's the reality of the situation.
As opposed to yourself, who is more concerned about a player's reputation in retirement rather than the team that he is supposedly a fan of being terrible for going on 7 seasons?
And I'm the 'alleged Giants fan?' Yeah, might want to rethink that one, boss.
What would he be remembered for?
Some 1 handed catches?
Smashing his head into a fan?
Proposing to a kicking net?
Shitting the bed in a playoff game after posting shirtless pictures on social media pregame?
The NFL's new ejection rule after multiple personal foul penalties in one game?
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
I'm sad to say it but Odell is walking around like he is the alpha. Even above ownership. Who can blame him though? He has these emotional problems, misses most of last season and still gets the biggest contract of any WR ever.
Many suggested it this off-season but what great leaders do is use the leverage they have to guide people and at times put your foot down. The only one who appeared to put his foot down was OBJ, this past summer. I don't know what went on behind closed doors but it was pretty apparent to OBJ that he was going to get his contract by merely showing up at training camp and talking about personal growth.
Nobody wants distractions but we gave OBJ the contract and here we are with them anyway. I think that is the prevailing problem with the leadership in this organization. They aren't anticipating problems and the "solutions" they are providing do not actually solve the existing problems.
I keep coming back to this because it is confounding to me. If you can add the most explosive player to come into the NFL in a long time add the highest paid LT in the league get a bare minimum top 5 WR back from injury a new "offensive guru" coach and your offense doesn't look any better I don't know how anyone can look at this other than a dire problem with leadership. It doesn't matter that we won in 2011. Good franchises are not supposed to bottom out like this, this isn't a tank. We made a concerted effort to improve and absolutely did not.
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the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
You're saying Bill Parcells never used the media in regards to a player???? Come again??? lol
That's not what I said. Bill was the master at manipulating the media for his purposes, not allowing himself to be manipulated for the media's purposes, which is what Mara did. Bill used the media to motivate players for on-field purposes. He never would've given the media anything related to off-the-field stuff.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
You made a post saying that "Eli is getting out of this with 2 SB's and dignity."
That doesn't say anything about what he will be remembered for, which you know twisted this into being about with this post you just made.
Yes. He won 2 SBs. So, he's leaving with that. He's also leaving with a horrendous last few seasons of his career and a possible sub .500 career record. Neither my statement nor yours is factually incorrect (again, if he does indeed finish with a sub .500 record).
And because some of us are more concerned with the team here and now, and going forward, and not a single player, we're the supposed 'alleged Giants fans.'
Again. Might want to rethink that one.
Why not? Odell isn't a two year old and guess what, the Giants just laid the groundwork for potential conduct detrimental if ODell keeps up the antics.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
What would he be remembered for?
Some 1 handed catches?
Smashing his head into a fan?
Proposing to a kicking net?
Shitting the bed in a playoff game after posting shirtless pictures on social media pregame?
The NFL's new ejection rule after multiple personal foul penalties in one game?
Or having the best 50 game start to a WR's career for anyone other than perhaps Randy Moss?
You have to be able to discuss these things with some rationality.
You are his boss. If you want something to change you do it behind closed doors. Or you have the coach to do it or GM. You aren't Jerry Jones and who wants to be Jerry Jones anyway?
I don't know what fucking team you are watching but our best player wears #26.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
Amen.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
This is an excellent and deadly accurate post.
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Would he even be remembered in 5 years?
What would he be remembered for?
Some 1 handed catches?
Smashing his head into a fan?
Proposing to a kicking net?
Shitting the bed in a playoff game after posting shirtless pictures on social media pregame?
The NFL's new ejection rule after multiple personal foul penalties in one game?
Or having the best 50 game start to a WR's career for anyone other than perhaps Randy Moss?
You have to be able to discuss these things with some rationality.
Don't expect rationality here. Did you see what some of these guys were posting coming into this season with their expectations? LOL.
Definitely not as punt returner.
Definitely not as punt returner.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
this following a game where he botched a ST play that put them in a deep hole. beckham has underwhelmed this season, on the field, on the sideline, in the lockerroom. it has nothing to do with "millennial feelings" or whatever the fuck some other poster said to be underwhelmed and disappointed with him thus far
I'm sorry to say.
I'm sorry to say.
It's so easy to trigger Chris. Happens in practically every thread.
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Maybe as WR, maybe.
Definitely not as punt returner.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
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Definitely not as punt returner.
Youd think a player with his resume for the career would be allowed to mess up a punt return and not have that broadcast as if hes suddenly a negative to the roster rather than the best player on the team since 2014 amid a shitty, loser culture.
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Maybe as WR, maybe.
Definitely not as punt returner.
Youd think a player with his resume for the career would be allowed to mess up a punt return and not have that broadcast as if hes suddenly a negative to the roster rather than the best player on the team since 2014 amid a shitty, loser culture.
Some are allowed to screw up over and over again. It just depends on who it is.
I think early on he was still a little hesitant. When you have an injury like he did, there is a psychological aspect of the recovery. That being said, it's hard for him to do anything when the only balls eli throws to him are 4 yard passes with 3 guys in his pocket.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
Outstanding post! Perspective.
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demonstrate he has the same big play capability as he did in prior seasons... if it's still there, he sure is hiding it well.
I think early on he was still a little hesitant. When you have an injury like he did, there is a psychological aspect of the recovery. That being said, it's hard for him to do anything when the only balls eli throws to him are 4 yard passes with 3 guys in his pocket.
Take his top 10 greatest plays and probably a majority of them are him catching a 10 yard slant and just exploding through the secondary. Haven't seen even a tiny glimpse of that this year.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
Great fucking post, good on you sir
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career.
OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
You're right. The offense is exactly the same. And everything is going as they thought it would. Ho-hum.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
It depends on what his job entails and how it was communicated to him by ownership and the coaches.
If its limited strictly to play on the field, sure hes doing his job although the production hasnt been there in some spots.
Id imagine Giants leadership had a discussion with Odell regarding expectations when they signed him to the big contract and those expectations went beyond Xs and Os on the field.
Bottom line is hes an immensely talented player but he needs to grow the fuck up and act like a professional and face of the franchise.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
this following a game where he botched a ST play that put them in a deep hole. beckham has underwhelmed this season, on the field, on the sideline, in the lockerroom. it has nothing to do with "millennial feelings" or whatever the fuck some other poster said to be underwhelmed and disappointed with him thus far
Would not be shocked if OBJ was loafing it last game, after having to apologize. Might have gotten his feelings hurt.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
Odell's performance/stats rely on the QB awhole lot more than Barkley's does, though. So, it doesn't surprise me that much. Plus, Beckham is coming off a serious knee injury to boot.
Either way. Still not enough to win games.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
Well, the issue is that the FO and ownership didn't know what the big holes were. We came into the season thinking Eli still had something because of a Philly game last year. We came into this season thinking our OL would be much improved after making Solder the highest paid tackle in the NFL and drafting Hernandez in rd 2. The FO didn't know that our only pass rusher would get hurt.....again and they didn't know that everything would fall apart at the seems and the team would basically quit because our offense is inept.
It makes less sense to keep paying Eli after this year.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
Odell's performance/stats rely on the QB awhole lot more than Barkley's does, though. So, it doesn't surprise me that much. Plus, Beckham is coming off a serious knee injury to boot.
Either way. Still not enough to win games.
Dave, I agree that Odell relies on the OL and qb to function for him to get the ball. But the OL and and qb not functioning affects Barkley as well. Beckham also doesn't have to get the ball behind the LOS and dodge three guys a lot of times. We just see it different, I don't think there is a right and wrong answer
All of that said, management knows the types of players we have in the league now. If Parcells and Belichik have taught us anything it is that X's and O's are half of the job and managing people and personalities are actually the key to success.
We are failing at managing Odell. Give credit to what appears to be a nice turn around with Eli Apple. I have to admit that I did not think he would improve not only on the field but with the other bullshit but he did and credit goes to management for that.
If they do not figure out how to manage Odell, it will be one of their biggest failures.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
It also appears to me that the number of posters now convinced Eli is done, is much larger than the contingency who wanted Eli out, prior to the season
What Mara said was long overdue. Glad he went public. What s going to happen, Giants might lose games?
In a half decade of utter stupidity the contract given to Beckham takes the cake.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
The stat you want is air yards. Yards per reception includes yardage gained after the catch.
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these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
You won't get them because the guys who obsessively dislike him can't answer those questions in a way that fits their narratives.
Nothing Beckham is doing ON the field is a problem right now. He just needs to shut the fuck up off of it and stop acting like a petulant child on the sidelines when adversity hits.
It's really simple.
In a half decade of utter stupidity the contract given to Beckham takes the cake.
Oh, I don't know - I think some of the nonsense you spew could give the team a run for their money.
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these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
I am late to the discussion but no.. he has not shown less than full effort in games.
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
Now the bozo brigade is out in force making a muffed punt out to be as much of a crime as Matt Dodge's incompetence while he laughably still has the longest TD throw for the team in 2018.
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these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
No one has answered you because there isn't any way anyone not actually ON the team can answer those questions unequivocally. We don't watch him every play of the game. We don't sit on the bench with him. We don't sit in the lockerroom and in meetings and at practice with him and we don't hang out with him in the offseason.
We don't know anything except what Twitter tells us. A lot of shit goes on behind closed doors that doesn't come out until much later on after the fact. His antics very well may be rubbing some teammates the wrong way. Maybe they aren't. Who knows for sure? Not everything gets devulged to the media.
All of that said, management knows the types of players we have in the league now. If Parcells and Belichik have taught us anything it is that X's and O's are half of the job and managing people and personalities are actually the key to success.
We are failing at managing Odell. Give credit to what appears to be a nice turn around with Eli Apple. I have to admit that I did not think he would improve not only on the field but with the other bullshit but he did and credit goes to management for that.
If they do not figure out how to manage Odell, it will be one of their biggest failures.
No one can manage that basket case, Coughlin failed at it too. That's why Parcells wanted no part of TO.
OBJs clowns antics were bearable when he could get separation. Now he's an overpaid petulant Cody Lattimer.
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Good luck getting rid of him now...a clown that might not be the same player he was before the injury.
In a half decade of utter stupidity the contract given to Beckham takes the cake.
Oh, I don't know - I think some of the nonsense you spew could give the team a run for their money.
Nonsense? It seems to me this is going more or less the way I said it would for a while when I suggested that paying Beckham was crazy.
- Is Beckham's behavior still an issue? We're 6 games in and he's been fined, asked to apologize to the team, and been called out by the owner.
- Does the offense still suck? We are 26th in the NFL in scoring with 19 PPG.
- Does the team still suck? We are 1-5, tied for the worst record in the NFL.
What about paying Beckham appears to be working out? What about what I've been saying is, at this point, nonsense?
OBJs clowns antics were bearable when he could get separation. Now he's an overpaid petulant Cody Lattimer.
Is there a contest for moronic hot takes on BBI?
Now the bozo brigade is out in force making a muffed punt out to be as much of a crime as Matt Dodge's incompetence while he laughably still has the longest TD throw for the team in 2018.
Shhh! Don't discourage them from posting, though. It at least gives everyone else a good laugh, which is needed yet again for another failed season for this team. Don't forget the 'lack of separation!11", too.
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Maybe as WR, maybe.
Definitely not as punt returner.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
Back to the semantics of base salary vs cap number again?
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Maybe as WR, maybe.
Definitely not as punt returner.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
Back to the semantics of base salary vs cap number again?
Hey, you know me. As long as people continue to espouse a fallacy, I'll try and correct it. It really is a simple concept. If Dave earned a bonus 4 years ago that pushes his earnings for that year to $80K, but then doesn't receive a bonus for the subsequent years, does his colleagues claim that Dave gets paid $80K/yr?
You do understand the difference between accounting for cap purposes and paid, don't you? You claimed someone (not mentioning names) was being paid $22M/yr. I asked you who was being paid $22M/yr. Can you not follow the conversation? Or perhaps your choice of verbs was poor?
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It counts as 22 million against the cap. That's all that matters at the end of the day. That's ALOT of money no matter how one slices it.
You do understand the difference between accounting for cap purposes and paid, don't you? You claimed someone (not mentioning names) was being paid $22M/yr. I asked you who was being paid $22M/yr. Can you not follow the conversation? Or perhaps your choice of verbs was poor?
Imagine being reduced to semantics when you're talking about a one year cap hit of $22 million. It's come to that, I suppose.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
Average target air yards (TAY) for Beckham,
2018 - 9.8
2016 - 11.4
Link - ( New Window )
Great work Dave!
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
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with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
Not saying you..... but many people in this place and around the nation will remember the latter instead of the former.
outside NY and Giants fans, the perception of Eli isn't good nationally
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
No one would describe your sense as common.
How's your josh rosen prediction working out?
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What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
No one would describe your sense as common.
How's your josh rosen prediction working out?
What was my Rosen prediction? I know I said he would fall in the draft, which he did. What else did I predict? I wasn't a fan pre draft and am not a fan of the pro so far.
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these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
No one has answered you because there isn't any way anyone not actually ON the team can answer those questions unequivocally. We don't watch him every play of the game. We don't sit on the bench with him. We don't sit in the lockerroom and in meetings and at practice with him and we don't hang out with him in the offseason.
We don't know anything except what Twitter tells us.
Nonsense. His teammates have loudly defended him and made sure to point out how hard he works.
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
Are you saying they are losing because of Beckham? That is beyond ignorant.
Lol its a rare occasion someone refers to themselves as prophetic and calls someone else an egomaniac in a single statement.
So thanks a lot Mara, for keeping this in the news cycle again. Giants have been under a microscope long enough for a losing team. Thanks for the added pressure for MFL at Atlanta. Should have gotten that out of the way last week when everyone else was.
This is starting to look like the blind leading the blind.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy.
I understand why you are saying you cant win with the guy. I get it. However, I disagree. I think you CAN win with the guy but we just do not have the leadership here who knows how to deal with him. Someone like this needs to go to an organization where winning is bigger than any individual achievement. No player is above the law and if you do not conform then you are out.
The real problem with this organization is there are no leaders who are capable of handling Beckham. Who do we have? Mara. Please. Shurmer, aka Silent Sam. Eli. Yikes. There are none. Does anyone think this problem would have lasted this long when George Young was the GM, Parcells was the coach and the likes of Taylor, Carson, Banks and Burt were roaming around? One of those 4 would have rattled the shit out of that egocentric weasel by now.
This won't end until Beckham is gone. DG should dial up Senile Jerry and dump the little puke on the Cowboys for 2 #1s while he can. And Mara should sell his half of the team to an owner with some balls.
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Maybe as WR, maybe.
Definitely not as punt returner.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
Back to the semantics of base salary vs cap number again?
Hey, you know me. As long as people continue to espouse a fallacy, I'll try and correct it. It really is a simple concept. If Dave earned a bonus 4 years ago that pushes his earnings for that year to $80K, but then doesn't receive a bonus for the subsequent years, does his colleagues claim that Dave gets paid $80K/yr?
If that bonus was being accrued against subsequent years' finite staffing budgets and adversely affected the company's ability to upgrade talent elsewhere, you're darn right I would.
The cap number is what's relevant here and we all know it. For all intents and purposes, the base salary is actually more of the fallacy since it affects nothing other than the Giants' cash flow.
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
Such is the bullshit on BBI.
Two weeks ago when the interview happened and the story was mostly about Odell, Mara is nowhere to be found.
This week the stories have been mostly about Eli since Thursday, and now Mara decides to comment.
Seems convenient
Maybe work on learning to spell his name.
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In comment 14131507 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
Oh stop it. It is way easier to just admit that while my tone is aggresive sometimes that I nailed this Beckham shit from the Carolina game, actually before that. The Rams game.
He isn't right upstairs. Its not TO doing situps in his driveway for attention.
I don't know if its drugs, or just a weird personality disorder, or an extreme immaturity, or most likely just a narcissistic calculated set of actions put in motion to make himself bigger than football and a global celebrity.
Whatever it is, he isnt a Giant. He can catch 500tds in blue but if he acts this way he can never be a Giant. I cant put it any better than that and i knew it from early on.
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In comment 14131507 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
Oh stop it. It is way easier to just admit that while my tone is aggresive sometimes that I nailed this Beckham shit from the Carolina game, actually before that. The Rams game.
He isn't right upstairs. Its not TO doing situps in his driveway for attention.
I don't know if its drugs, or just a weird personality disorder, or an extreme immaturity, or most likely just a narcissistic calculated set of actions put in motion to make himself bigger than football and a global celebrity.
Whatever it is, he isnt a Giant. He can catch 500tds in blue but if he acts this way he can never be a Giant. I cant put it any better than that and i knew it from early on.
I'm sorry for whoever hurt you.
I can't really, although I am not a big fan of J. Mara, go against him here, it's a team not one man.
but it isn't good,. I have been rooting for this kid since he was drafted, and HARD!!!!!!
Even though I was hoping they would take AB that year,,
the BS is killing me,,antics...loudmouthness...,and although I would never give up on NYG .... I would most likely dislike OBJ if he was not a GIANT
Accept the criticism and change attitude (highly doubtful on his part) or fireback and send this into a full PT Barnum & Bailey Circus
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
You can't win with him? What about our 11-5 season where he carried the offense?
Odell was an asshole for using that setting to voice a very relevant message.
John Mara condemns his star wide receiver for speaking publicly on Giants issues by ripping him...publicly. This organization reaches new levels of dumb everyday.
The "you can't win with Beckham" crowd is beyond absurd. Of course you can, but you need to stop putting uncle Rico out there at quarterback. So what exactly can you not win with? His attitude? Please.
the Giants star WR, arguably a top 3 wide out, is upset because he knows how talented he is and what he can contribute if you just get him the ball in the right spots. We don't. He certainly has immature moments. WHO CARES? He is an absolute stud. And you want to complain and tell me he isn't the right leader...whose bright idea was it to anoint our volatile WR as leader? Whats that? The veteran presence on this team blows and no one wanted the job besides him?
No chatter on him saying how much he loves New York and wants to bring the title back to town. Not surprised.
Two weeks ago when the interview happened and the story was mostly about Odell, Mara is nowhere to be found.
This week the stories have been mostly about Eli since Thursday, and now Mara decides to comment.
Seems convenient
I think you are just looking for something. Plus, he was asked a question and he answered it. He did not schedule a press conference to talk about OBJ.
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Interesting?
Two weeks ago when the interview happened and the story was mostly about Odell, Mara is nowhere to be found.
This week the stories have been mostly about Eli since Thursday, and now Mara decides to comment.
Seems convenient
I think you are just looking for something. Plus, he was asked a question and he answered it. He did not schedule a press conference to talk about OBJ.
Plus it was at owners meetings and chance for reporters to get to him and asked questions..otherwise it's still be no word from him til bye week
I'm glad Mara spoke, I think it's necessary. I have no issues with anything he said. Hopefully the team and OBJ responds well.
he's talented yea, sure. but he caught 6 passes for 44 yards last thursday and has been struggling to get separation this year, in addition to the lockerroom and sideline bullshit. he's one of the most unllikeable marquee players i can recall the giants having since i've been old enough to pay attention.
Again, people can't separate their dislike for him and be reasonable.
That being said, I am not absolving him from his behavior this season. I agree with Mara, shut up and play football. Everyone would benefit from that, including the Giants.
culture does matter- the giants was bad before odell, and remains bad... and the sit back and be silent and stink type arent helping the culture either. and odell isnt helping it with the interview and his overall vibe is generating negative attention.
but his on the field work and effort is 100% helpful for the team- there is no debating that.
Beckham needs to just cut the shit with the antics and keep things in-house. He needs to make this about the Giants and stop making it about himself.
I'm tired of all that too. But if the team wasn't so fucking bad, we wouldn't be hearing about any of it and he's not the reason why we suck.
Like I've said before - if you're going to call Odell Beckham a loser, you'd better start calling Saquon Barkley one too.
Again, people can't separate their dislike for him and be reasonable.
i'm being perfectly reasonable.. odell is an all-world talent with a 10 cent head, and an unlikeable personality. but yea, i guess i'm thankful that he's kept his crazy off the field of play this year, and has relegated it to the sideline, the lockerroom and the media.
and yes.. until odell WINS something that matters, he's not a winner. what is the rationale for calling him a winner. what's he won? shit, last week he wasn't even winning his one-on-one battles..
forgive me for expecting a bit more from the highest paid WR in the game. ffs.
apples and oranges. eli's first playoff game was his first full season as a starter. he was basically a rookie. odell's was not.
i realize some on here will go to any lengths to defend him because of his natural talent. but you'll remember the giants won their first superbowl without tiki, and without shockey- two players who everyone believed were key, marquee players, who also happened to be selfish, immature guys.
again, i liked and supported beckham up THROUGH the josh norman debacle (coughlin's last year here). but the bullshit side drama he continually brings has worn thin for me since that point. i probably soured on him after the playoff game where he sucked, and the following season where he was pissing like a dog as the giants were on their way to a 0-3 start to 2017. it is what it is at this point. i am rooting for him to get his head out of his ass, but i feel like i've been waiting for that for literally years now.
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Eli would've been less of a winner than Odell.
apples and oranges. eli's first playoff game was his first full season as a starter. he was basically a rookie. odell's was not.
i realize some on here will go to any lengths to defend him because of his natural talent. but you'll remember the giants won their first superbowl without tiki, and without shockey- two players who everyone believed were key, marquee players, who also happened to be selfish, immature guys.
again, i liked and supported beckham up THROUGH the josh norman debacle (coughlin's last year here). but the bullshit side drama he continually brings has worn thin for me since that point. i probably soured on him after the playoff game where he sucked, and the following season where he was pissing like a dog as the giants were on their way to a 0-3 start to 2017. it is what it is at this point. i am rooting for him to get his head out of his ass, but i feel like i've been waiting for that for literally years now.
People thought Burress was a selfish, immature guy too. Pretty sure he was the one who caught the game winning TD pass.
By the way, Jeremy Shockey caught the game winning TD pass for the Saints the very next year in the Super Bowl.
So the whole "selfish divas never win" narrative is bullshit.
i'm relieved to see you you acknowledge that beckham is a selfish diva- just a selfish diva that you really like and think is really good for the team.
We can shift and move the goal posts as much as you want. Both guys were called bad teammates, both guys were called selfish. Both guys have Super Bowl rings and have the game winning scores to their names.
I don't need to be best friends with the athletes on the teams I root for. I don't really give a shit if Odell Beckham is a "diva" or not. He's an excellent football player. That's about as much as I care.
The narrative that we can't win with Beckham is manufactured trash. It's a lazy, stupid argument and anyone who actually understands the sport should know that it's not even remotely true.
And because he isn't, "You can't put in too many new routes or plays he's never run before. Tons of different things" they can't try.
"That's a first for me and a first for a lot of people," Eli says. "It's not a situation you like or he likes, having him sitting down and watching us."
A great situation, it's not. "But you've got to do it and there's no point complaining. You just got to make it work," Eli says.
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below...
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I think a lot of pro football players are probably assholes, some are just better at hiding it.
What do yo want? they play a violent game for a living.
None of these guys are coming over for dinner so don't really care about their personalities if they can produce on the field.
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but man Eli has played with some self-absorbed assholes. Talented ones, but wow.
I think a lot of pro football players are probably assholes, some are just better at hiding it.
His brother might be one of the best at hiding it.
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below... Link - ( New Window )
Yep. There were problems with Plax before 2008.
I'd consider the Giants fortunate that Plax didn't blow up in their faces prior to winning the Super Bowl. It was damn close.
That team was good enough and stacked with enough veterans to abide two idiots, though the offense got better once Shockey got hurt. This current team is terrible, and Beckham is probably the veteran to whom the players look up to the most. I think he is a leader on this team, and we're seeing the results.
i'm not saying the giants can't win with beckham. i never said that. but they haven't really to this point, 2016 being the exception and that was on back of the defense. maybe all of this is the fault of a cooked eli.. maybe beckham's head will improve with a rookie QB, or a recycled veteran like david carr or some such. who knows. but he's become one of my least favorite giants of all time, talent aside. if you think that makes me "stupid" or buying into the media agenda against him, whatever man. i have a different opinion than you. big fucking deal. it's not a right or wrong kind of a proposition.
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Remember when he "hurt his knee in the shower" the night before?
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below... Link - ( New Window )
Yep. There were problems with Plax before 2008.
A gym buddy of mine was the head of security at NY Hospital the night the brought Plax in. Hes also close with the organization. He told me there is stuff from that night that no one will ever know.
apples and oranges. eli's first playoff game was his first full season as a starter. he was basically a rookie. odell's was not.
i realize some on here will go to any lengths to defend him because of his natural talent.
It's not "apples and oranges". It's you doing the exact same thing you accuse others of doing, which is making excuses for people you like.
beckham to me has looked very average on the field this year. maybe that's all on eli's decline. but it's easier to ignore the off the field nonsense/drama when he's producing and of course when the team is winning. i know he's frustrated and sick of losing. so are all the fans. losing this consistently is rough on everyone. sadly, eli seems used to it at this point. like i said man, i hope he gets it together. im a giants fan. im not rooting against him. just disappointed.
Looked pretty damn dynamic to me. He has gone over 100 yards three out of 6 games.
The only game he looked average was Philly.
beckham to me has looked very average on the field this year. maybe that's all on eli's decline. but it's easier to ignore the off the field nonsense/drama when he's producing and of course when the team is winning. i know he's frustrated and sick of losing. so are all the fans. losing this consistently is rough on everyone. sadly, eli seems used to it at this point. like i said man, i hope he gets it together. im a giants fan. im not rooting against him. just disappointed.
It was only Beckham's second FULL season using your halfwit logic.
Average is a guy like Mohammed Sanu who has 22 receptions all year
He should go back and count how many times he's said that to the press
Average for him???
What the fuck does that mean?
I don't think you understand how averages work.
By definition, half his performances will be below average.
I think it's your expectations that need to change, not his effort.
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thats a lot nicer than most of the people on here are to Mara
So what's your excuse?
Someone should show Odell Senior of his boy spearing a player on the chin on a blinside hit and ask him if thats the same thing as tossing a chair.
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So what's your excuse?
Excuse for what? For accurately seeing how this would play out?
I don't know. I guess just being smarter than your average BBI poster. Or in some cases, significantly smarter.
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So what's your excuse?
Excuse for what? For accurately seeing how this would play out complaining incessantly about every single facet of this franchise?
I don't know. I guess just being smarter more miserable than your average BBI poster. Or in some cases, significantly smarter more miserable.
Fixed it for you.
No, they're not directly related nor mutually exclusive. But that also doesn't make you "smarter" than anyone here. But whatever makes you feel better while you continue being a miserable whiner.
You don't claim victory in the 2nd inning of a baseball game.
You don't claim victory in the 2nd inning of a baseball game.
I want Odell here for his entire career. I want him to finish as the best WR in NFL history. I want him to leave the circus act at home.
Fact. By the way.....Trey Burton sucks. I was right about him.
I don't care about being viewed as smart or right. But I certainly don't merit being called miserable for foreseeing how this would play out.
The question I have is, if I could foresee this with almost no insider info then why couldn't John Mara?
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People care way too much about being viewed as "smart" or "right" here. That's the real motivation behind most of these arguments. Not the Giants.
Fact. By the way.....Trey Burton sucks. I was right about him.
What was that thing you just said about not winning a game in the 2nd inning? Dummy.
Burton just isn't seeing the same target share as other starting TE's. He's only had the ball thrown his way 22 times and still has 3 scores which is as many as any TE not named Eric Ebron.
I only own him in one league anyway. I own Ertz in every other one, who, is the top scoring TE right now.
And all your sarcastic "HE'S A CANCER! CUT HIM!" posts about Beckham these past couple years... Was that about your concern over the Giants or wanting to feel superior to those who saw Beckham for what he is?
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People care way too much about being viewed as "smart" or "right" here. That's the real motivation behind most of these arguments. Not the Giants.
And all your sarcastic "HE'S A CANCER! CUT HIM!" posts about Beckham these past couple years... Was that about your concern over the Giants or wanting to feel superior to those who saw Beckham for what he is?
Cmon, you very much care about how you're viewed - you have tossed me that same line you put out there above about how smart you are and how you're smarter than whoever you're responding to.
You clearly think very highly of your own opinions.
And the sarcastic cancer stuff was much less me than others here.
Besides, you've been doing the same thing non stop for the past two weeks mocking those people, so you're really just playing the same game and aren't any better than any of the people you're criticizing for it.
the year he was hurt- the giants were a disgrace
his first year back- in 6 games- hes still putting up top 10 wr stats- which is not what we are used to, but in the context fine.
so i guess in the world of feelings and emotions and selective interpretation.... people are "right"--- but in football? which is wht i care about.... not really
lot of self pats on back for being "right" going on here...
the year he was hurt- the giants were a disgrace
his first year back- in 6 games- hes still putting up top 10 wr stats- which is not what we are used to, but in the context fine.
so i guess in the world of feelings and emotions and selective interpretation.... people are "right"--- but in football? which is wht i care about.... not really
lot of self pats on back for being "right" going on here...
I'd sell that #13 throwback while you still can.
the year he was hurt- the giants were a disgrace
his first year back- in 6 games- hes still putting up top 10 wr stats- which is not what we are used to, but in the context fine.
so i guess in the world of feelings and emotions and selective interpretation.... people are "right"--- but in football? which is wht i care about.... not really
lot of self pats on back for being "right" going on here...
It's sad in a way - because the same folks are content to call Barkley the next Barry Sanders without the same level of production due to the OL/offensive issues.
Meanwhile, Beckham's coming back from an injury and can't throw the ball to himself, he's been open plenty and not thrown to, and his stats are still very good but not great. And that's enough to warrant the same folks taking shots at him.