would not have stood for any of this nonsense. This team always had pride and heritage. It meant something to wear the uniform. The photo of Barkley looking at all the greats gave me chills to think what this kid can do and has not disappointed me yet.
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
He's not even the best player on th team anymore. Barkley is.
would not have stood for any of this nonsense. This team always had pride and heritage. It meant something to wear the uniform. The photo of Barkley looking at all the greats gave me chills to think what this kid can do and has not disappointed me yet.
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
Wellington Mara gave serial domestic abuser, multi arrest Tito Wooten to a contract extension.
LAWRENCE TAYLOR PLAYED GAMES ON COCAINE THE NIGHT AFTER HE SENT HOOKERS TO STAR PLAYERS ON THE OPPOSING TEAM'S HOTEL ROOMS.
RE: RE: I find it really funny that we can all criticize the owner Â
If any one of us were the owner of a sports franchise, we would have a hard time just saying " no comment " or absolutely nothing.
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
Maybe if you have no self control, but it’s a problem if you’ve been born into this business and don’t have the self control to not make a bad situation worse with your words. You are signing the checks, you have that conversation with the player and not through the media.
First, I didn't say he should have said something. I am indifferent to it either way. I don't pretend to have all the answers in regards to OBJ and John Mara. I simply stated that it is much easier to sit back and comment about what our owner says ( or shouldn't say ) then to truly try and understand his situation at all. I guess we can assume you are extremely cautious with all your words and have never said anything to anyone that you wish you hadn't said? Or are you so guarded with your words or thoughts that you avoid conflict and you leave everything to the assumptions of the masses?
I bet you are the same guy that would be pissed if you heard nothing from Mara at all.
I will not pretend to think that Mara is faultless. But he is the OWNER of this team. He writes the checks. He has spent a lot of money for this debacle of a football team. It is his mess and people are blaming him for keeping Reese and firing Coughlin, keeping Eli and getting rid of McAdoo. Hiring Gettlemen and Shurmur and not drafting a QB.
At some point and time, when do we realize that the players need to play better? The coaches need to coach better and the GM needs to pick good players and make effective signings?
I love OBJ but he seems more concerned with his brand than the NY on the side of his helmet.
John Mara is right.....worry about playing football. He has a right to say it. That is what they all should be worrying about.
who will be fine when things are going well and a pain when things are not. The Giants should know this already and either be conditioned to deal with (meaning say nothing now) or just have let him play this year without a new contract. To be honest, I am getting sick of BOTH Mara and OBJ's meaningless comments. Thank the sky for Saquon or this team would be incredibly hard to root for at the moment. And please spare me the Odel works hard and is competive. That's true, but his antics of look at me stuff and don't blame me are so tiresome that they are starting to outweigh the whole he works hard at his craft and wants to win side of his personality.
who will be fine when things are going well and a pain when things are not. The Giants should know this already and either be conditioned to deal with (meaning say nothing now) or just have let him play this year without a new contract. To be honest, I am getting sick of BOTH Mara and OBJ's meaningless comments. Thank the sky for Saquon or this team would be incredibly hard to root for at the moment. And please spare me the Odel works hard and is competive. That's true, but his antics of look at me stuff and don't blame me are so tiresome that they are starting to outweigh the whole he works hard at his craft and wants to win side of his personality.
even when things were going well he wasn't exactly "fine." he played one of his worst games v. green bay in the playoffs the 2016 season, dropping everything he touched and then punching a hole in the lockerroom wall post-game. he had a brain fart that arguably cost them a win v carolina this year, and was a pouty non-factor v the eagles the following week.
Giants owner John Mara thinks Odell Beckham "needs to do a little more playing and a little less talking."
"I wish he would create the headlines by his play on the field as opposed to what he says and what he does off the field," Mara added. It is good Mara has identified Beckham as the Giants' real problem and not Eli Manning's ever deteriorating skill set.
how their is any discussion on obj performance.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
Giants owner John Mara thinks Odell Beckham "needs to do a little more playing and a little less talking."
"I wish he would create the headlines by his play on the field as opposed to what he says and what he does off the field," Mara added. It is good Mara has identified Beckham as the Giants' real problem and not Eli Manning's ever deteriorating skill set.
IAEF
Even when the discussion is about another player - IAEF.
the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
not using the 5th year option and not using the tag if necessary next year....
How has making OBj happy worked out?
Agree, the Giants had all the cards in this one. Beckham, according to his interview, "sacrificed" a lot. His sacrifice was not doing his antics and reporting to training camp without a contract. It worked, the Giants extended him when they didn't have to and four weeks into the season he is publicly capping on his teammates, the city he plays in and his new HC. Mara has sour grapes now, but he has no one to bake but himself.
not using the 5th year option and not using the tag if necessary next year....
How has making OBj happy worked out?
Agree, the Giants had all the cards in this one. Beckham, according to his interview, "sacrificed" a lot. His sacrifice was not doing his antics and reporting to training camp without a contract. It worked, the Giants extended him when they didn't have to and four weeks into the season he is publicly capping on his teammates, the city he plays in and his new HC. Mara has sour grapes now, but he has no one to bake but himself.
blame but himself. Thing is, Beckham is popular despite winning nothing and sells a lot of jerseys. He is especially popular with young fans.
the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
...this has some serious potential for locker room turmoil. I'm sure it didn't go unnoticed in the room that mara rode to the rescue for his underperforming QB last year. A guy who makes the most money on the team and ultimately refused to take the field for the tean.
Now he publicly goes after one of the best players in the league, who is probably a lot tighter with most of the room than the QB is. This could get uncomfortable
...this has some serious potential for locker room turmoil. I'm sure it didn't go unnoticed in the room that mara rode to the rescue for his underperforming QB last year. A guy who makes the most money on the team and ultimately refused to take the field for the tean.
Now he publicly goes after one of the best players in the league, who is probably a lot tighter with most of the room than the QB is. This could get uncomfortable
He publicly went to bat for one of his best players by signing a $95 million check when he didn't have to. And, that is the key, Mara could have let OBJ play this year without any security and given his track record of disruption that might not have been a bad idea. So, I think Mara "went to bat" for OBJ as well as Eli.
the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
You're saying Bill Parcells never used the media in regards to a player???? Come again??? lol
that Odell is right, but shouldn't air it publicly & Mara is right, but also shouldn't air it publicly.
Mara is giving what the fans want to hear from him and saying themselves (fans)..but it should be, despite what we want him (Mara) to say, should had been said via Visa face to face behind closed doors to Odell himself
Mara isnt wrong in what he said though
Up until this last 'mis-step' I was a big Odell supporter Â
He plays with passion and wears his heart on his sleeve. He seems intelligent (Only gathering from his press appearances) and the boat trip an Paris video were youthful indiscretions. He seemed to make an honest effort this last preseason to be a team player by getting into camp and keeping a low profile. But then, the MAN got paid. 4 weeks in and he's chirping about not getting the ball. You got the ball and did nothing with it. you aren't getting open and you aren't getting our other receivers open. I am not sure his talent is compensating for his detrimental behavior. If he has value, trade him.
the team's direction rather than hear him spout off about one player. As I said in my original post, I am just angry at both of them. This once proud franchise is turning into a laughingstock of the NFL. Besides 2016 (which really was not that great of a year offensively) we have produce terrible football since Hurricane Sandy hit in 2012. We have made countless errors in team building, etc. I would much rather hear Mara's thoughts on what happened last off season than him "sticking up" for the fans by having him say "what we want to hear"
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
A pathetic response from an alleged Giants fan.
How so? I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's the reality of the situation.
As opposed to yourself, who is more concerned about a player's reputation in retirement rather than the team that he is supposedly a fan of being terrible for going on 7 seasons?
And I'm the 'alleged Giants fan?' Yeah, might want to rethink that one, boss.
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
is if Odell doesn't reach his potential what he could have been with good leadership in place.
I'm sad to say it but Odell is walking around like he is the alpha. Even above ownership. Who can blame him though? He has these emotional problems, misses most of last season and still gets the biggest contract of any WR ever.
Many suggested it this off-season but what great leaders do is use the leverage they have to guide people and at times put your foot down. The only one who appeared to put his foot down was OBJ, this past summer. I don't know what went on behind closed doors but it was pretty apparent to OBJ that he was going to get his contract by merely showing up at training camp and talking about personal growth.
Nobody wants distractions but we gave OBJ the contract and here we are with them anyway. I think that is the prevailing problem with the leadership in this organization. They aren't anticipating problems and the "solutions" they are providing do not actually solve the existing problems.
I keep coming back to this because it is confounding to me. If you can add the most explosive player to come into the NFL in a long time add the highest paid LT in the league get a bare minimum top 5 WR back from injury a new "offensive guru" coach and your offense doesn't look any better I don't know how anyone can look at this other than a dire problem with leadership. It doesn't matter that we won in 2011. Good franchises are not supposed to bottom out like this, this isn't a tank. We made a concerted effort to improve and absolutely did not.
the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
You're saying Bill Parcells never used the media in regards to a player???? Come again??? lol
That's not what I said. Bill was the master at manipulating the media for his purposes, not allowing himself to be manipulated for the media's purposes, which is what Mara did. Bill used the media to motivate players for on-field purposes. He never would've given the media anything related to off-the-field stuff.
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
You made a post saying that "Eli is getting out of this with 2 SB's and dignity."
That doesn't say anything about what he will be remembered for, which you know twisted this into being about with this post you just made.
Yes. He won 2 SBs. So, he's leaving with that. He's also leaving with a horrendous last few seasons of his career and a possible sub .500 career record. Neither my statement nor yours is factually incorrect (again, if he does indeed finish with a sub .500 record).
And because some of us are more concerned with the team here and now, and going forward, and not a single player, we're the supposed 'alleged Giants fans.'
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
He's not even the best player on th team anymore. Barkley is.
How has making OBj happy worked out?
How has making OBj happy worked out?
Beckham would be happy if had a QB that could throw him the ball. Not his fault Eli stinks
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would not have stood for any of this nonsense. This team always had pride and heritage. It meant something to wear the uniform. The photo of Barkley looking at all the greats gave me chills to think what this kid can do and has not disappointed me yet.
Odell is making this team all about him. Yea he is good but dont let ONE amazing catch define who you are as a player. Now we are defining him for what he does on the sidelines. Get out of the double team situations. Make the plays. Earn the money. Eli is at least trying to do good for the team. Lets try to win some games get back some dignity back and maybe, just MAYBE make a run for it.
Wellington Mara gave serial domestic abuser, multi arrest Tito Wooten to a contract extension.
LAWRENCE TAYLOR PLAYED GAMES ON COCAINE THE NIGHT AFTER HE SENT HOOKERS TO STAR PLAYERS ON THE OPPOSING TEAM'S HOTEL ROOMS.
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If any one of us were the owner of a sports franchise, we would have a hard time just saying " no comment " or absolutely nothing.
Yes this franchise is in a weird place and it sucks but to act like you all could keep your mouth shut is pretty ridiculous.
Maybe if you have no self control, but it’s a problem if you’ve been born into this business and don’t have the self control to not make a bad situation worse with your words. You are signing the checks, you have that conversation with the player and not through the media.
First, I didn't say he should have said something. I am indifferent to it either way. I don't pretend to have all the answers in regards to OBJ and John Mara. I simply stated that it is much easier to sit back and comment about what our owner says ( or shouldn't say ) then to truly try and understand his situation at all. I guess we can assume you are extremely cautious with all your words and have never said anything to anyone that you wish you hadn't said? Or are you so guarded with your words or thoughts that you avoid conflict and you leave everything to the assumptions of the masses?
I bet you are the same guy that would be pissed if you heard nothing from Mara at all.
I will not pretend to think that Mara is faultless. But he is the OWNER of this team. He writes the checks. He has spent a lot of money for this debacle of a football team. It is his mess and people are blaming him for keeping Reese and firing Coughlin, keeping Eli and getting rid of McAdoo. Hiring Gettlemen and Shurmur and not drafting a QB.
At some point and time, when do we realize that the players need to play better? The coaches need to coach better and the GM needs to pick good players and make effective signings?
I love OBJ but he seems more concerned with his brand than the NY on the side of his helmet.
John Mara is right.....worry about playing football. He has a right to say it. That is what they all should be worrying about.
even when things were going well he wasn't exactly "fine." he played one of his worst games v. green bay in the playoffs the 2016 season, dropping everything he touched and then punching a hole in the lockerroom wall post-game. he had a brain fart that arguably cost them a win v carolina this year, and was a pouty non-factor v the eagles the following week.
Giants owner John Mara thinks Odell Beckham "needs to do a little more playing and a little less talking."
"I wish he would create the headlines by his play on the field as opposed to what he says and what he does off the field," Mara added. It is good Mara has identified Beckham as the Giants' real problem and not Eli Manning's ever deteriorating skill set.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
Giants owner John Mara thinks Odell Beckham "needs to do a little more playing and a little less talking."
"I wish he would create the headlines by his play on the field as opposed to what he says and what he does off the field," Mara added. It is good Mara has identified Beckham as the Giants' real problem and not Eli Manning's ever deteriorating skill set.
IAEF
Even when the discussion is about another player - IAEF.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
How has making OBj happy worked out?
Agree, the Giants had all the cards in this one. Beckham, according to his interview, "sacrificed" a lot. His sacrifice was not doing his antics and reporting to training camp without a contract. It worked, the Giants extended him when they didn't have to and four weeks into the season he is publicly capping on his teammates, the city he plays in and his new HC. Mara has sour grapes now, but he has no one to bake but himself.
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not using the 5th year option and not using the tag if necessary next year....
How has making OBj happy worked out?
Agree, the Giants had all the cards in this one. Beckham, according to his interview, "sacrificed" a lot. His sacrifice was not doing his antics and reporting to training camp without a contract. It worked, the Giants extended him when they didn't have to and four weeks into the season he is publicly capping on his teammates, the city he plays in and his new HC. Mara has sour grapes now, but he has no one to bake but himself.
blame but himself. Thing is, Beckham is popular despite winning nothing and sells a lot of jerseys. He is especially popular with young fans.
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And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
2. John Mara needs to shut the fuck up. He's majorly responsible for the massive downturn this franchise has taken.
Nailed it!
Now he publicly goes after one of the best players in the league, who is probably a lot tighter with most of the room than the QB is. This could get uncomfortable
In regards to Eli, the performance isn't there either but he's the epitome of what a teammate should be and acts.
I like both players and realize OBJ requires some add'l patience but there is a threshold that the Giants may hit before his contract expires.
Now he publicly goes after one of the best players in the league, who is probably a lot tighter with most of the room than the QB is. This could get uncomfortable
He publicly went to bat for one of his best players by signing a $95 million check when he didn't have to. And, that is the key, Mara could have let OBJ play this year without any security and given his track record of disruption that might not have been a bad idea. So, I think Mara "went to bat" for OBJ as well as Eli.
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the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
You're saying Bill Parcells never used the media in regards to a player???? Come again??? lol
Mara is giving what the fans want to hear from him and saying themselves (fans)..but it should be, despite what we want him (Mara) to say, should had been said via Visa face to face behind closed doors to Odell himself
Mara isnt wrong in what he said though
His owner made him look like a fool in public and in media..watch
The only people who have handled this correctly has been Eli and Shurmur
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
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with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
Not saying you..... but many people in this place and around the nation will remember the latter instead of the former.
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with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
Not saying you..... but many people in this place and around the nation will remember the latter instead of the former.
Well, people have short-attentions spans now more than ever.
However, even you have to admit, it would be nice to have a decent season once in awhile.
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with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
A pathetic response from an alleged Giants fan.
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
They've been a terrible football team on the field for half a decade.
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In comment 14131498 Mr. Bungle said:
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with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
A pathetic response from an alleged Giants fan.
How so? I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's the reality of the situation.
As opposed to yourself, who is more concerned about a player's reputation in retirement rather than the team that he is supposedly a fan of being terrible for going on 7 seasons?
And I'm the 'alleged Giants fan?' Yeah, might want to rethink that one, boss.
What would he be remembered for?
Some 1 handed catches?
Smashing his head into a fan?
Proposing to a kicking net?
Shitting the bed in a playoff game after posting shirtless pictures on social media pregame?
The NFL's new ejection rule after multiple personal foul penalties in one game?
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
I'm sad to say it but Odell is walking around like he is the alpha. Even above ownership. Who can blame him though? He has these emotional problems, misses most of last season and still gets the biggest contract of any WR ever.
Many suggested it this off-season but what great leaders do is use the leverage they have to guide people and at times put your foot down. The only one who appeared to put his foot down was OBJ, this past summer. I don't know what went on behind closed doors but it was pretty apparent to OBJ that he was going to get his contract by merely showing up at training camp and talking about personal growth.
Nobody wants distractions but we gave OBJ the contract and here we are with them anyway. I think that is the prevailing problem with the leadership in this organization. They aren't anticipating problems and the "solutions" they are providing do not actually solve the existing problems.
I keep coming back to this because it is confounding to me. If you can add the most explosive player to come into the NFL in a long time add the highest paid LT in the league get a bare minimum top 5 WR back from injury a new "offensive guru" coach and your offense doesn't look any better I don't know how anyone can look at this other than a dire problem with leadership. It doesn't matter that we won in 2011. Good franchises are not supposed to bottom out like this, this isn't a tank. We made a concerted effort to improve and absolutely did not.
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In comment 14131417 Bernie said:
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the Giants made OBJ the highest paid WR in league history and within 6 weeks of doing so, he mouths off to the media. And not only does he mouth off to the media, he does it with a rap artist at his side. And yet John Mara is the problem because he expects his EMPLOYEE to do less bitching more producing. Comical. Imagine if OBJ had Parcells or Belichick as a coach.
And for all those who think the NYG ownership is awful, I will remind you that in the last 35 years, this team has been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. News flash, the only team over that same time frame that has been to and won more Super Bowls is the Patriots and only the Broncos have been to more.
We are all frustrated with the current state of the team, but a little perspective folks.
John Mara isn't the problem because he expects more from OBJ, he's the problem because he's throwing red meat to the media and exacerbating the situation when he needs to be above the fray.
Bill Belichek nor Parcells would give the media anything on stuff like this. They would both treat it as something that is dealt with in the locker room.
You're saying Bill Parcells never used the media in regards to a player???? Come again??? lol
That's not what I said. Bill was the master at manipulating the media for his purposes, not allowing himself to be manipulated for the media's purposes, which is what Mara did. Bill used the media to motivate players for on-field purposes. He never would've given the media anything related to off-the-field stuff.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
You made a post saying that "Eli is getting out of this with 2 SB's and dignity."
That doesn't say anything about what he will be remembered for, which you know twisted this into being about with this post you just made.
Yes. He won 2 SBs. So, he's leaving with that. He's also leaving with a horrendous last few seasons of his career and a possible sub .500 career record. Neither my statement nor yours is factually incorrect (again, if he does indeed finish with a sub .500 record).
And because some of us are more concerned with the team here and now, and going forward, and not a single player, we're the supposed 'alleged Giants fans.'
Again. Might want to rethink that one.