John Mara figures to best way to address his star player calling out other players and coaches through the media is to call out that player through the media? Got it.
no reason for him to publicly call odell out. that is going to make things better? real smart john
Why not? Odell isn't a two year old and guess what, the Giants just laid the groundwork for potential conduct detrimental if ODell keeps up the antics.
these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
taking pot shots at your best player through the media is what players do to each other.
You are his boss. If you want something to change you do it behind closed doors. Or you have the coach to do it or GM. You aren't Jerry Jones and who wants to be Jerry Jones anyway?
I don't know what fucking team you are watching but our best player wears #26.
RE: How so? Because it's not the reality of the situation.
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
how their is any discussion on obj performance.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
This is an excellent and deadly accurate post.
RE: RE: If Odell Beckham were off this team tomorrow
Odell Beckham: 6 rec / 44 yards. After a slightly discouraging PR week for Beckham, whom has been fined by the team for comments made to the media and was forced to apologize to teammates in a team meeting, a big game paired with a win could have made that situation disappear but the complete opposite happened. Beckham never got into the flow, was missed deep a couple times, and only impacted the game via the short passing game a few times. Something I noticed about Beckham from the All-22 is a lack of separation as a route runner. I dont think anything is physically wrong, as the elite burst is still there. However Beckham is doing way too much dancing at the point of attack. He is taking way too long to get into his actual route, and time is something Manning doesnt have when he drops back. The timing of these two is completely off. There is a very uneasy feeling with Beckham right now when it comes to his relationship with the team.
this following a game where he botched a ST play that put them in a deep hole. beckham has underwhelmed this season, on the field, on the sideline, in the lockerroom. it has nothing to do with "millennial feelings" or whatever the fuck some other poster said to be underwhelmed and disappointed with him thus far
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Youd think a player with his resume for the career would be allowed to mess up a punt return and not have that broadcast as if hes suddenly a negative to the roster rather than the best player on the team since 2014 amid a shitty, loser culture.
Biggest problem I have with Beckham is his failure to
Youd think a player with his resume for the career would be allowed to mess up a punt return and not have that broadcast as if hes suddenly a negative to the roster rather than the best player on the team since 2014 amid a shitty, loser culture.
Some are allowed to screw up over and over again. It just depends on who it is.
RE: Biggest problem I have with Beckham is his failure to
demonstrate he has the same big play capability as he did in prior seasons... if it's still there, he sure is hiding it well.
I think early on he was still a little hesitant. When you have an injury like he did, there is a psychological aspect of the recovery. That being said, it's hard for him to do anything when the only balls eli throws to him are 4 yard passes with 3 guys in his pocket.
RE: How so? Because it's not the reality of the situation.
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
demonstrate he has the same big play capability as he did in prior seasons... if it's still there, he sure is hiding it well.
I think early on he was still a little hesitant. When you have an injury like he did, there is a psychological aspect of the recovery. That being said, it's hard for him to do anything when the only balls eli throws to him are 4 yard passes with 3 guys in his pocket.
Take his top 10 greatest plays and probably a majority of them are him catching a 10 yard slant and just exploding through the secondary. Haven't seen even a tiny glimpse of that this year.
Eli will be remembered in his retirement as the only Giant QB in history who hoisted two Lombardis. He's not going to be remembered primarily as a deteriorating QB on a dumpster fire franchise late in his career. What's Joe Namath remembered for? Super Bowl III or his shattered knees and losing records afterwards? If you're a Giants fan who thinks of the latter first about Eli, just quit sports. Because they ain't for you.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
and making his feelings public to a press acting like hungry wolves, he gets baited into acting like the player and running his mouth. Probably was being laughed at and hearing mumblings about the sad state of his franchise in the meeting so he lost it. Maybe he should call out the rest of the team underperforming and there is a long list. He bashes talking to the media then does it himself.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
You're right. The offense is exactly the same. And everything is going as they thought it would. Ho-hum.
how their is any discussion on obj performance.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
It depends on what his job entails and how it was communicated to him by ownership and the coaches.
If its limited strictly to play on the field, sure hes doing his job although the production hasnt been there in some spots.
Id imagine Giants leadership had a discussion with Odell regarding expectations when they signed him to the big contract and those expectations went beyond Xs and Os on the field.
Bottom line is hes an immensely talented player but he needs to grow the fuck up and act like a professional and face of the franchise.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
Odell Beckham: 6 rec / 44 yards. After a slightly discouraging PR week for Beckham, whom has been fined by the team for comments made to the media and was forced to apologize to teammates in a team meeting, a big game paired with a win could have made that situation disappear but the complete opposite happened. Beckham never got into the flow, was missed deep a couple times, and only impacted the game via the short passing game a few times. Something I noticed about Beckham from the All-22 is a lack of separation as a route runner. I dont think anything is physically wrong, as the elite burst is still there. However Beckham is doing way too much dancing at the point of attack. He is taking way too long to get into his actual route, and time is something Manning doesnt have when he drops back. The timing of these two is completely off. There is a very uneasy feeling with Beckham right now when it comes to his relationship with the team.
this following a game where he botched a ST play that put them in a deep hole. beckham has underwhelmed this season, on the field, on the sideline, in the lockerroom. it has nothing to do with "millennial feelings" or whatever the fuck some other poster said to be underwhelmed and disappointed with him thus far
Would not be shocked if OBJ was loafing it last game, after having to apologize. Might have gotten his feelings hurt.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
Odell's performance/stats rely on the QB awhole lot more than Barkley's does, though. So, it doesn't surprise me that much. Plus, Beckham is coming off a serious knee injury to boot.
The more pissed I am we didnt just trade him. And its not that I dont like the guy or anything. But I said it then and Ill say it now. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE HIM HERE, PAYING HIM ALL THIS CAP, WITH ALL THESE HOLES ON THE TEAM. Id still take no less than a 1st and 3rd for him.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The more pissed I am we didnt just trade him. And its not that I dont like the guy or anything. But I said it then and Ill say it now. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE HIM HERE, PAYING HIM ALL THIS CAP, WITH ALL THESE HOLES ON THE TEAM. Id still take no less than a 1st and 3rd for him.
Well, the issue is that the FO and ownership didn't know what the big holes were. We came into the season thinking Eli still had something because of a Philly game last year. We came into this season thinking our OL would be much improved after making Solder the highest paid tackle in the NFL and drafting Hernandez in rd 2. The FO didn't know that our only pass rusher would get hurt.....again and they didn't know that everything would fall apart at the seems and the team would basically quit because our offense is inept.
The more pissed I am we didnt just trade him. And its not that I dont like the guy or anything. But I said it then and Ill say it now. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE HIM HERE, PAYING HIM ALL THIS CAP, WITH ALL THESE HOLES ON THE TEAM. Id still take no less than a 1st and 3rd for him.
It makes less sense to keep paying Eli after this year.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
Odell's performance/stats rely on the QB awhole lot more than Barkley's does, though. So, it doesn't surprise me that much. Plus, Beckham is coming off a serious knee injury to boot.
Either way. Still not enough to win games.
Dave, I agree that Odell relies on the OL and qb to function for him to get the ball. But the OL and and qb not functioning affects Barkley as well. Beckham also doesn't have to get the ball behind the LOS and dodge three guys a lot of times. We just see it different, I don't think there is a right and wrong answer
Athletes today are different. Yes, I am old school and when I played we knocked people out and there were no penalties. However, we also did not dance around and cry on the sidelines like a bunch of pussies if things were not going well.
All of that said, management knows the types of players we have in the league now. If Parcells and Belichik have taught us anything it is that X's and O's are half of the job and managing people and personalities are actually the key to success.
We are failing at managing Odell. Give credit to what appears to be a nice turn around with Eli Apple. I have to admit that I did not think he would improve not only on the field but with the other bullshit but he did and credit goes to management for that.
If they do not figure out how to manage Odell, it will be one of their biggest failures.
Why not? Odell isn't a two year old and guess what, the Giants just laid the groundwork for potential conduct detrimental if ODell keeps up the antics.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And heres a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
What would he be remembered for?
Some 1 handed catches?
Smashing his head into a fan?
Proposing to a kicking net?
Shitting the bed in a playoff game after posting shirtless pictures on social media pregame?
The NFL's new ejection rule after multiple personal foul penalties in one game?
Or having the best 50 game start to a WR's career for anyone other than perhaps Randy Moss?
You have to be able to discuss these things with some rationality.
You are his boss. If you want something to change you do it behind closed doors. Or you have the coach to do it or GM. You aren't Jerry Jones and who wants to be Jerry Jones anyway?
I don't know what fucking team you are watching but our best player wears #26.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
Amen.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
This is an excellent and deadly accurate post.
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What would he be remembered for?
Some 1 handed catches?
Smashing his head into a fan?
Proposing to a kicking net?
Shitting the bed in a playoff game after posting shirtless pictures on social media pregame?
The NFL's new ejection rule after multiple personal foul penalties in one game?
Or having the best 50 game start to a WR's career for anyone other than perhaps Randy Moss?
You have to be able to discuss these things with some rationality.
Don't expect rationality here. Did you see what some of these guys were posting coming into this season with their expectations? LOL.
Definitely not as punt returner.
Definitely not as punt returner.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
this following a game where he botched a ST play that put them in a deep hole. beckham has underwhelmed this season, on the field, on the sideline, in the lockerroom. it has nothing to do with "millennial feelings" or whatever the fuck some other poster said to be underwhelmed and disappointed with him thus far
I'm sorry to say.
I'm sorry to say.
It's so easy to trigger Chris. Happens in practically every thread.
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Maybe as WR, maybe.
Definitely not as punt returner.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Definitely not as punt returner.
Youd think a player with his resume for the career would be allowed to mess up a punt return and not have that broadcast as if hes suddenly a negative to the roster rather than the best player on the team since 2014 amid a shitty, loser culture.
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Maybe as WR, maybe.
Definitely not as punt returner.
Youd think a player with his resume for the career would be allowed to mess up a punt return and not have that broadcast as if hes suddenly a negative to the roster rather than the best player on the team since 2014 amid a shitty, loser culture.
Some are allowed to screw up over and over again. It just depends on who it is.
I think early on he was still a little hesitant. When you have an injury like he did, there is a psychological aspect of the recovery. That being said, it's hard for him to do anything when the only balls eli throws to him are 4 yard passes with 3 guys in his pocket.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
Outstanding post! Perspective.
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demonstrate he has the same big play capability as he did in prior seasons... if it's still there, he sure is hiding it well.
I think early on he was still a little hesitant. When you have an injury like he did, there is a psychological aspect of the recovery. That being said, it's hard for him to do anything when the only balls eli throws to him are 4 yard passes with 3 guys in his pocket.
Take his top 10 greatest plays and probably a majority of them are him catching a 10 yard slant and just exploding through the secondary. Haven't seen even a tiny glimpse of that this year.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
When players deliver me championships as a Giants fan, I respect them forever. I don't hate them for getting old and take endless shots at them, especially when they continue to work hard through it and conduct themselves with class. So, yeah, I'm a fan.
Boss.
Great fucking post, good on you sir
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career.
OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
You're right. The offense is exactly the same. And everything is going as they thought it would. Ho-hum.
if people want to pontificate about how he acts- and how that makes them feel, and how it might make eli feel, and schurmur feel, and teammates feel... thats fine. we are in a millenial world and feeling are very important.
but in terms of playing football--- there are basically 3 people on offense earning game checks- one is a rookie LG and the other 2 are the RB and WR. even if you think he is not doing enough... because he is triple covered and running crossing routes 5 yards downfield--- in the realm of football... despite the "antics"... he actually still does his job.
so is the important thing feelings or doing job?
And i love barkley- i think he is the best offensive weapon in football now-- but if they played 8 in the box to stop barkley... and single on the outside for obj? what happens to relative performance?
It depends on what his job entails and how it was communicated to him by ownership and the coaches.
If its limited strictly to play on the field, sure hes doing his job although the production hasnt been there in some spots.
Id imagine Giants leadership had a discussion with Odell regarding expectations when they signed him to the big contract and those expectations went beyond Xs and Os on the field.
Bottom line is hes an immensely talented player but he needs to grow the fuck up and act like a professional and face of the franchise.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
this following a game where he botched a ST play that put them in a deep hole. beckham has underwhelmed this season, on the field, on the sideline, in the lockerroom. it has nothing to do with "millennial feelings" or whatever the fuck some other poster said to be underwhelmed and disappointed with him thus far
Would not be shocked if OBJ was loafing it last game, after having to apologize. Might have gotten his feelings hurt.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
Odell's performance/stats rely on the QB awhole lot more than Barkley's does, though. So, it doesn't surprise me that much. Plus, Beckham is coming off a serious knee injury to boot.
Either way. Still not enough to win games.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
Well, the issue is that the FO and ownership didn't know what the big holes were. We came into the season thinking Eli still had something because of a Philly game last year. We came into this season thinking our OL would be much improved after making Solder the highest paid tackle in the NFL and drafting Hernandez in rd 2. The FO didn't know that our only pass rusher would get hurt.....again and they didn't know that everything would fall apart at the seems and the team would basically quit because our offense is inept.
It makes less sense to keep paying Eli after this year.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
That is true, but
Barkley is dealing with defenses who don't respect the passing game, and perhaps one of the worst run blocking OL in the league, not to mention playing without much time with his team on the lead
Well, he is a good player. No one ever said any differently. Still nowhere near enough to win us games, though, as many said it wouldn't be.
It's fascinating to me considering how good Odell is. He has been unquestionably the best player on the team. A rookie comes in and half way through his rookie season is arguably the team's best player. Pretty amazing
Odell's performance/stats rely on the QB awhole lot more than Barkley's does, though. So, it doesn't surprise me that much. Plus, Beckham is coming off a serious knee injury to boot.
Either way. Still not enough to win games.
Dave, I agree that Odell relies on the OL and qb to function for him to get the ball. But the OL and and qb not functioning affects Barkley as well. Beckham also doesn't have to get the ball behind the LOS and dodge three guys a lot of times. We just see it different, I don't think there is a right and wrong answer
All of that said, management knows the types of players we have in the league now. If Parcells and Belichik have taught us anything it is that X's and O's are half of the job and managing people and personalities are actually the key to success.
We are failing at managing Odell. Give credit to what appears to be a nice turn around with Eli Apple. I have to admit that I did not think he would improve not only on the field but with the other bullshit but he did and credit goes to management for that.
If they do not figure out how to manage Odell, it will be one of their biggest failures.