A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
It also appears to me that the number of posters now convinced Eli is done, is much larger than the contingency who wanted Eli out, prior to the season
What Mara said was long overdue. Glad he went public. What s going to happen, Giants might lose games?
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these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And here’s a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
The stat you want is air yards. Yards per reception includes yardage gained after the catch.
these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And here’s a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
You won't get them because the guys who obsessively dislike him can't answer those questions in a way that fits their narratives.
Nothing Beckham is doing ON the field is a problem right now. He just needs to shut the fuck up off of it and stop acting like a petulant child on the sidelines when adversity hits.
It's really simple.
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these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And here’s a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
I am late to the discussion but no.. he has not shown less than full effort in games.
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
that "fans" were foaming out the mouth to get their beckham hot takes out after having nothing to bitch about in the offseason because he did everything right.
Now the bozo brigade is out in force making a muffed punt out to be as much of a crime as Matt Dodge's incompetence while he laughably still has the longest TD throw for the team in 2018.
these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And here’s a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
No one has answered you because there isn't any way anyone not actually ON the team can answer those questions unequivocally. We don't watch him every play of the game. We don't sit on the bench with him. We don't sit in the lockerroom and in meetings and at practice with him and we don't hang out with him in the offseason.
We don't know anything except what Twitter tells us. A lot of shit goes on behind closed doors that doesn't come out until much later on after the fact. His antics very well may be rubbing some teammates the wrong way. Maybe they aren't. Who knows for sure? Not everything gets devulged to the media.
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Athletes today are different. Yes, I am old school and when I played we knocked people out and there were no penalties. However, we also did not dance around and cry on the sidelines like a bunch of pussies if things were not going well.
All of that said, management knows the types of players we have in the league now. If Parcells and Belichik have taught us anything it is that X's and O's are half of the job and managing people and personalities are actually the key to success.
We are failing at managing Odell. Give credit to what appears to be a nice turn around with Eli Apple. I have to admit that I did not think he would improve not only on the field but with the other bullshit but he did and credit goes to management for that.
If they do not figure out how to manage Odell, it will be one of their biggest failures.
No one can manage that basket case, Coughlin failed at it too. That's why Parcells wanted no part of TO.
OBJs clowns antics were bearable when he could get separation. Now he's an overpaid petulant Cody Lattimer.
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that "fans" were foaming out the mouth to get their beckham hot takes out after having nothing to bitch about in the offseason because he did everything right.
Now the bozo brigade is out in force making a muffed punt out to be as much of a crime as Matt Dodge's incompetence while he laughably still has the longest TD throw for the team in 2018.
Shhh! Don't discourage them from posting, though. It at least gives everyone else a good laugh, which is needed yet again for another failed season for this team. Don't forget the 'lack of separation!11", too.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
Back to the semantics of base salary vs cap number again?
Hey, you know me. As long as people continue to espouse a fallacy, I'll try and correct it. It really is a simple concept. If Dave earned a bonus 4 years ago that pushes his earnings for that year to $80K, but then doesn't receive a bonus for the subsequent years, does his colleagues claim that Dave gets paid $80K/yr?
It counts as 22 million against the cap. That's all that matters at the end of the day. That's ALOT of money no matter how one slices it.
You do understand the difference between accounting for cap purposes and paid, don't you? You claimed someone (not mentioning names) was being paid $22M/yr. I asked you who was being paid $22M/yr. Can you not follow the conversation? Or perhaps your choice of verbs was poor?
It counts as 22 million against the cap. That's all that matters at the end of the day. That's ALOT of money no matter how one slices it.
You do understand the difference between accounting for cap purposes and paid, don't you? You claimed someone (not mentioning names) was being paid $22M/yr. I asked you who was being paid $22M/yr. Can you not follow the conversation? Or perhaps your choice of verbs was poor?
Imagine being reduced to semantics when you're talking about a one year cap hit of $22 million. It's come to that, I suppose.
A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
Average target air yards (TAY) for Beckham,
2018 - 9.8
2016 - 11.4 Link - ( New Window )
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
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What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
No one would describe your sense as common.
How's your josh rosen prediction working out?
What was my Rosen prediction? I know I said he would fall in the draft, which he did. What else did I predict? I wasn't a fan pre draft and am not a fan of the pro so far.
these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And here’s a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
No one has answered you because there isn't any way anyone not actually ON the team can answer those questions unequivocally. We don't watch him every play of the game. We don't sit on the bench with him. We don't sit in the lockerroom and in meetings and at practice with him and we don't hang out with him in the offseason.
We don't know anything except what Twitter tells us.
Nonsense. His teammates have loudly defended him and made sure to point out how hard he works.
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
Are you saying they are losing because of Beckham? That is beyond ignorant.
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Did I miss something? Why say this now? Did something new happen? I don't think so. Why not say something LAST WEEK when this was the story. Was Mara hiding under a rock somewhere?
So thanks a lot Mara, for keeping this in the news cycle again. Giants have been under a microscope long enough for a losing team. Thanks for the added pressure for MFL at Atlanta. Should have gotten that out of the way last week when everyone else was.
This is starting to look like the blind leading the blind.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy.
I understand why you are saying you cant win with the guy. I get it. However, I disagree. I think you CAN win with the guy but we just do not have the leadership here who knows how to deal with him. Someone like this needs to go to an organization where winning is bigger than any individual achievement. No player is above the law and if you do not conform then you are out.
Mara just paid the little asshole $100M. He has the right to call him whatever he wants when he acts up which he does constantly.
The real problem with this organization is there are no leaders who are capable of handling Beckham. Who do we have? Mara. Please. Shurmer, aka Silent Sam. Eli. Yikes. There are none. Does anyone think this problem would have lasted this long when George Young was the GM, Parcells was the coach and the likes of Taylor, Carson, Banks and Burt were roaming around? One of those 4 would have rattled the shit out of that egocentric weasel by now.
This won't end until Beckham is gone. DG should dial up Senile Jerry and dump the little puke on the Cowboys for 2 #1s while he can. And Mara should sell his half of the team to an owner with some balls.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
Back to the semantics of base salary vs cap number again?
Hey, you know me. As long as people continue to espouse a fallacy, I'll try and correct it. It really is a simple concept. If Dave earned a bonus 4 years ago that pushes his earnings for that year to $80K, but then doesn't receive a bonus for the subsequent years, does his colleagues claim that Dave gets paid $80K/yr?
If that bonus was being accrued against subsequent years' finite staffing budgets and adversely affected the company's ability to upgrade talent elsewhere, you're darn right I would.
The cap number is what's relevant here and we all know it. For all intents and purposes, the base salary is actually more of the fallacy since it affects nothing other than the Giants' cash flow.
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
I like your style. After having labored thru this thread, it's apparent that the same illuminati who want Eli gone for non-performance are basically the same ones who will cling to and defend the non-performance of their little diva WR.
Such is the bullshit on BBI.
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
Oh stop it. It is way easier to just admit that while my tone is aggresive sometimes that I nailed this Beckham shit from the Carolina game, actually before that. The Rams game.
He isn't right upstairs. Its not TO doing situps in his driveway for attention.
I don't know if its drugs, or just a weird personality disorder, or an extreme immaturity, or most likely just a narcissistic calculated set of actions put in motion to make himself bigger than football and a global celebrity.
Whatever it is, he isnt a Giant. He can catch 500tds in blue but if he acts this way he can never be a Giant. I cant put it any better than that and i knew it from early on.
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
Oh stop it. It is way easier to just admit that while my tone is aggresive sometimes that I nailed this Beckham shit from the Carolina game, actually before that. The Rams game.
He isn't right upstairs. Its not TO doing situps in his driveway for attention.
I don't know if its drugs, or just a weird personality disorder, or an extreme immaturity, or most likely just a narcissistic calculated set of actions put in motion to make himself bigger than football and a global celebrity.
Whatever it is, he isnt a Giant. He can catch 500tds in blue but if he acts this way he can never be a Giant. I cant put it any better than that and i knew it from early on.
A guy making all that money needs to keep stuff in the lockeroom. He cannot be putting it up on social media and interviews with press. It is very simple and he doesn’t get it. Some how he was smart enough to keep his mouth shut until he got paid. I do not see the Giants winning with him. He needs the spotlight and does not want to share. It will not sit well with him when Barkley gets the headlines after the game. I do not buy into that he is all about winning. No he is all about OBJ.
That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
You can't win with him? What about our 11-5 season where he carried the offense?
Odell was an asshole for using that setting to voice a very relevant message.
John Mara condemns his star wide receiver for speaking publicly on Giants issues by ripping him...publicly. This organization reaches new levels of dumb everyday.
The "you can't win with Beckham" crowd is beyond absurd. Of course you can, but you need to stop putting uncle Rico out there at quarterback. So what exactly can you not win with? His attitude? Please.
the Giants star WR, arguably a top 3 wide out, is upset because he knows how talented he is and what he can contribute if you just get him the ball in the right spots. We don't. He certainly has immature moments. WHO CARES? He is an absolute stud. And you want to complain and tell me he isn't the right leader...whose bright idea was it to anoint our volatile WR as leader? Whats that? The veteran presence on this team blows and no one wanted the job besides him?
No chatter on him saying how much he loves New York and wants to bring the title back to town. Not surprised.
Two weeks ago when the interview happened and the story was mostly about Odell, Mara is nowhere to be found.
This week the stories have been mostly about Eli since Thursday, and now Mara decides to comment.
Seems convenient
I think you are just looking for something. Plus, he was asked a question and he answered it. He did not schedule a press conference to talk about OBJ.
Two weeks ago when the interview happened and the story was mostly about Odell, Mara is nowhere to be found.
This week the stories have been mostly about Eli since Thursday, and now Mara decides to comment.
Seems convenient
I think you are just looking for something. Plus, he was asked a question and he answered it. He did not schedule a press conference to talk about OBJ.
Plus it was at owners meetings and chance for reporters to get to him and asked questions..otherwise it's still be no word from him til bye week
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
It also appears to me that the number of posters now convinced Eli is done, is much larger than the contingency who wanted Eli out, prior to the season
What Mara said was long overdue. Glad he went public. What s going to happen, Giants might lose games?
In a half decade of utter stupidity the contract given to Beckham takes the cake.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And here’s a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
The stat you want is air yards. Yards per reception includes yardage gained after the catch.
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these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And here’s a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
You won't get them because the guys who obsessively dislike him can't answer those questions in a way that fits their narratives.
Nothing Beckham is doing ON the field is a problem right now. He just needs to shut the fuck up off of it and stop acting like a petulant child on the sidelines when adversity hits.
It's really simple.
In a half decade of utter stupidity the contract given to Beckham takes the cake.
Oh, I don't know - I think some of the nonsense you spew could give the team a run for their money.
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these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And here’s a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
I am late to the discussion but no.. he has not shown less than full effort in games.
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
Now the bozo brigade is out in force making a muffed punt out to be as much of a crime as Matt Dodge's incompetence while he laughably still has the longest TD throw for the team in 2018.
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these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And here’s a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
No one has answered you because there isn't any way anyone not actually ON the team can answer those questions unequivocally. We don't watch him every play of the game. We don't sit on the bench with him. We don't sit in the lockerroom and in meetings and at practice with him and we don't hang out with him in the offseason.
We don't know anything except what Twitter tells us. A lot of shit goes on behind closed doors that doesn't come out until much later on after the fact. His antics very well may be rubbing some teammates the wrong way. Maybe they aren't. Who knows for sure? Not everything gets devulged to the media.
All of that said, management knows the types of players we have in the league now. If Parcells and Belichik have taught us anything it is that X's and O's are half of the job and managing people and personalities are actually the key to success.
We are failing at managing Odell. Give credit to what appears to be a nice turn around with Eli Apple. I have to admit that I did not think he would improve not only on the field but with the other bullshit but he did and credit goes to management for that.
If they do not figure out how to manage Odell, it will be one of their biggest failures.
No one can manage that basket case, Coughlin failed at it too. That's why Parcells wanted no part of TO.
OBJs clowns antics were bearable when he could get separation. Now he's an overpaid petulant Cody Lattimer.
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Good luck getting rid of him now...a clown that might not be the same player he was before the injury.
In a half decade of utter stupidity the contract given to Beckham takes the cake.
Oh, I don't know - I think some of the nonsense you spew could give the team a run for their money.
Nonsense? It seems to me this is going more or less the way I said it would for a while when I suggested that paying Beckham was crazy.
- Is Beckham's behavior still an issue? We're 6 games in and he's been fined, asked to apologize to the team, and been called out by the owner.
- Does the offense still suck? We are 26th in the NFL in scoring with 19 PPG.
- Does the team still suck? We are 1-5, tied for the worst record in the NFL.
What about paying Beckham appears to be working out? What about what I've been saying is, at this point, nonsense?
OBJs clowns antics were bearable when he could get separation. Now he's an overpaid petulant Cody Lattimer.
Is there a contest for moronic hot takes on BBI?
Now the bozo brigade is out in force making a muffed punt out to be as much of a crime as Matt Dodge's incompetence while he laughably still has the longest TD throw for the team in 2018.
Shhh! Don't discourage them from posting, though. It at least gives everyone else a good laugh, which is needed yet again for another failed season for this team. Don't forget the 'lack of separation!11", too.
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Maybe as WR, maybe.
Definitely not as punt returner.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
Back to the semantics of base salary vs cap number again?
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Maybe as WR, maybe.
Definitely not as punt returner.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
Back to the semantics of base salary vs cap number again?
Hey, you know me. As long as people continue to espouse a fallacy, I'll try and correct it. It really is a simple concept. If Dave earned a bonus 4 years ago that pushes his earnings for that year to $80K, but then doesn't receive a bonus for the subsequent years, does his colleagues claim that Dave gets paid $80K/yr?
You do understand the difference between accounting for cap purposes and paid, don't you? You claimed someone (not mentioning names) was being paid $22M/yr. I asked you who was being paid $22M/yr. Can you not follow the conversation? Or perhaps your choice of verbs was poor?
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It counts as 22 million against the cap. That's all that matters at the end of the day. That's ALOT of money no matter how one slices it.
You do understand the difference between accounting for cap purposes and paid, don't you? You claimed someone (not mentioning names) was being paid $22M/yr. I asked you who was being paid $22M/yr. Can you not follow the conversation? Or perhaps your choice of verbs was poor?
Imagine being reduced to semantics when you're talking about a one year cap hit of $22 million. It's come to that, I suppose.
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A given that Beckham is the best player on the team.
Kind of hard to be when alot of your success is based on other players who are severely underperforming.
Which makes what Barkley has done that much more impressive
He's not dependent on Eli throwing the ball past 10 yards.
Dave, you have stated that OBJ isn't getting the ball thrown to him past 10 yards. Others have repeated the same, but when you look at this year compared to his career, OBJ is just about equal to his career average. Of course, it isn't exactly equal as the sample size is much larger over the career (358 receptions) compared to the 2018 season (45 receptions). But when you look at his receiving yards per reception, he is averaging 11.8 yards which of course exceeds your mantra of Eli unable to throw the ball past 10 yards. For comparison, OBJ's career receiving yards per reception is 13.8. So with a smaller sample size, OBJ is averaging 2 yards shorter than over his career. OBJ is still the same as he ever was - ( New Window )
To make your argument work, you need to know the depth of target.. so what is it this year vs his career average.. Also 2 YPR is a huge deal..
The 2 YPR can easily be explained by the smaller sample size. I just did a quick search for OBJ's stats as I have been reading that Eli can't throw the ball past 10 yards - not just on this thread, but others so far this season. I wanted to see if there was any basis in fact to the assertion. If you can provide a link showing a target map of all his receptions this season, I would like to see if the data supports the assertion. So far with a quick search, I found that OBJ has 11.8 yards per reception which exceeds the stated claim of being unable to throw the ball past 10 yards.
Average target air yards (TAY) for Beckham,
2018 - 9.8
2016 - 11.4
Link - ( New Window )
Great work Dave!
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
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with 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 rings, a whole lot of money...
...and his dignity intact.
Can't say the same for anyone else.
And ending his career on an absolutely horrendous last few seasons, and a possible sub-.500 career record.
Not saying you..... but many people in this place and around the nation will remember the latter instead of the former.
outside NY and Giants fans, the perception of Eli isn't good nationally
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
No one would describe your sense as common.
How's your josh rosen prediction working out?
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What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
No one would describe your sense as common.
How's your josh rosen prediction working out?
What was my Rosen prediction? I know I said he would fall in the draft, which he did. What else did I predict? I wasn't a fan pre draft and am not a fan of the pro so far.
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these questions. So far no one has responded.
Has Beckham ever showed less than full effort in games? Is there any evidence he has been lax in preparation off-season or in practice? Is there any evidence teammates see him as a detriment to the team? And here’s a new question? As he had any emotional outbursts this season on the field that were danaging to the team?
Still waiting for answers.
No one has answered you because there isn't any way anyone not actually ON the team can answer those questions unequivocally. We don't watch him every play of the game. We don't sit on the bench with him. We don't sit in the lockerroom and in meetings and at practice with him and we don't hang out with him in the offseason.
We don't know anything except what Twitter tells us.
Nonsense. His teammates have loudly defended him and made sure to point out how hard he works.
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
Are you saying they are losing because of Beckham? That is beyond ignorant.
Lol it’s a rare occasion someone refers to themselves as prophetic and calls someone else an egomaniac in a single statement.
So thanks a lot Mara, for keeping this in the news cycle again. Giants have been under a microscope long enough for a losing team. Thanks for the added pressure for MFL at Atlanta. Should have gotten that out of the way last week when everyone else was.
This is starting to look like the blind leading the blind.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy.
I understand why you are saying you cant win with the guy. I get it. However, I disagree. I think you CAN win with the guy but we just do not have the leadership here who knows how to deal with him. Someone like this needs to go to an organization where winning is bigger than any individual achievement. No player is above the law and if you do not conform then you are out.
The real problem with this organization is there are no leaders who are capable of handling Beckham. Who do we have? Mara. Please. Shurmer, aka Silent Sam. Eli. Yikes. There are none. Does anyone think this problem would have lasted this long when George Young was the GM, Parcells was the coach and the likes of Taylor, Carson, Banks and Burt were roaming around? One of those 4 would have rattled the shit out of that egocentric weasel by now.
This won't end until Beckham is gone. DG should dial up Senile Jerry and dump the little puke on the Cowboys for 2 #1s while he can. And Mara should sell his half of the team to an owner with some balls.
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Maybe as WR, maybe.
Definitely not as punt returner.
That's more than we can say for a good portion of the team. Especially players getting paid $22 million per year.
Who knows. Maybe he can throw the ball to himself, too.
Who is getting paid $22M per year?
Back to the semantics of base salary vs cap number again?
Hey, you know me. As long as people continue to espouse a fallacy, I'll try and correct it. It really is a simple concept. If Dave earned a bonus 4 years ago that pushes his earnings for that year to $80K, but then doesn't receive a bonus for the subsequent years, does his colleagues claim that Dave gets paid $80K/yr?
If that bonus was being accrued against subsequent years' finite staffing budgets and adversely affected the company's ability to upgrade talent elsewhere, you're darn right I would.
The cap number is what's relevant here and we all know it. For all intents and purposes, the base salary is actually more of the fallacy since it affects nothing other than the Giants' cash flow.
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
Such is the bullshit on BBI.
Two weeks ago when the interview happened and the story was mostly about Odell, Mara is nowhere to be found.
This week the stories have been mostly about Eli since Thursday, and now Mara decides to comment.
Seems convenient
Maybe work on learning to spell his name.
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
Oh stop it. It is way easier to just admit that while my tone is aggresive sometimes that I nailed this Beckham shit from the Carolina game, actually before that. The Rams game.
He isn't right upstairs. Its not TO doing situps in his driveway for attention.
I don't know if its drugs, or just a weird personality disorder, or an extreme immaturity, or most likely just a narcissistic calculated set of actions put in motion to make himself bigger than football and a global celebrity.
Whatever it is, he isnt a Giant. He can catch 500tds in blue but if he acts this way he can never be a Giant. I cant put it any better than that and i knew it from early on.
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
I feel bad for you. I hope you find the happiness and attention you so desperately crave.
Oh stop it. It is way easier to just admit that while my tone is aggresive sometimes that I nailed this Beckham shit from the Carolina game, actually before that. The Rams game.
He isn't right upstairs. Its not TO doing situps in his driveway for attention.
I don't know if its drugs, or just a weird personality disorder, or an extreme immaturity, or most likely just a narcissistic calculated set of actions put in motion to make himself bigger than football and a global celebrity.
Whatever it is, he isnt a Giant. He can catch 500tds in blue but if he acts this way he can never be a Giant. I cant put it any better than that and i knew it from early on.
I'm sorry for whoever hurt you.
I can't really, although I am not a big fan of J. Mara, go against him here, it's a team not one man.
but it isn't good,. I have been rooting for this kid since he was drafted, and HARD!!!!!!
Even though I was hoping they would take AB that year,,
the BS is killing me,,antics...loudmouthness...,and although I would never give up on NYG .... I would most likely dislike OBJ if he was not a GIANT
Accept the criticism and change attitude (highly doubtful on his part) or fireback and send this into a full PT Barnum & Bailey Circus
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That have switched to the Limerick and Goterps side of the Odell convo now?
Id say on BBI...its probably still overall pro OBJ in a 65-35 margin of people who just make excuse after excuse for this lunatic. If you could somehow poll every Giant fan I bet the number would be closer to 80-20, with the 80 wanting him released ASAP.
I just wish that there was common sense used all around this offseason. What was the harm in letting him play out the contract he had. That he would sit out and be a distraction? Look at where we are now.
This guy is crazy, and quite frankly not the top WR he thinks he is. Also he clearly lost a step with the injury last year. All of those slants when he was 2 steps ahead of the DB are now contested catches.
As I said last week, we are in a post success era of Giants football. It happens. We had a good run with the Coughlin/McAdoo/Eli Giants, and now we are in hell. Lets be honest Shurmur is a fine coach but he is basically a placeholder for when we are ready to compete again.
If I were the Giants Id be on the phone with the Raiders. Give me Carr and Cooper for Odell and a 3rd round pick.
NFW 80% of Giants fans want him released. I get that your whole schtick is to be provocative even at the expense of your own reputation, but that's a remarkably inane take, even for you.
What is my Schtick? Being Right? My early take on Beckham is turning out to be my most prophetic yet. You can't win with the guy. Actually I don't remember when any of my "provocative" opinions have been off. I just use common sense and don't blindly follow BBI hive mind mantra.
Do yourself a favor. Ask 10 giant fan friends who aren't on BBI whether if possible to release Odell and just move on if they would sign up for it and report back. Or don't because you won't like the answer.
It doesn't matter anyway it's impossible unless some how some way Odell is dumb enough to voluntarily void the contract. He just might be actually. He's an egomaniac. Actually that's probably the only way the Giants can come out of this ok. Maybe thats what this Mara thing is? The beginning of an effort to use Beckham's ego against him to force him to quit and void the contract?
You can't win with him? What about our 11-5 season where he carried the offense?
Odell was an asshole for using that setting to voice a very relevant message.
John Mara condemns his star wide receiver for speaking publicly on Giants issues by ripping him...publicly. This organization reaches new levels of dumb everyday.
The "you can't win with Beckham" crowd is beyond absurd. Of course you can, but you need to stop putting uncle Rico out there at quarterback. So what exactly can you not win with? His attitude? Please.
the Giants star WR, arguably a top 3 wide out, is upset because he knows how talented he is and what he can contribute if you just get him the ball in the right spots. We don't. He certainly has immature moments. WHO CARES? He is an absolute stud. And you want to complain and tell me he isn't the right leader...whose bright idea was it to anoint our volatile WR as leader? Whats that? The veteran presence on this team blows and no one wanted the job besides him?
No chatter on him saying how much he loves New York and wants to bring the title back to town. Not surprised.
Two weeks ago when the interview happened and the story was mostly about Odell, Mara is nowhere to be found.
This week the stories have been mostly about Eli since Thursday, and now Mara decides to comment.
Seems convenient
I think you are just looking for something. Plus, he was asked a question and he answered it. He did not schedule a press conference to talk about OBJ.
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Two weeks ago when the interview happened and the story was mostly about Odell, Mara is nowhere to be found.
This week the stories have been mostly about Eli since Thursday, and now Mara decides to comment.
Seems convenient
I think you are just looking for something. Plus, he was asked a question and he answered it. He did not schedule a press conference to talk about OBJ.
Plus it was at owners meetings and chance for reporters to get to him and asked questions..otherwise it's still be no word from him til bye week