their dislike for OBJ and his talents. He's one of the most talented skill position players in the NFL. He's a winner and someone that improves our chances of winning, despite his immature outbursts that annoy so many people.
I'm glad Mara spoke, I think it's necessary. I have no issues with anything he said. Hopefully the team and OBJ responds well.
a "winner". he's been on one winning team his whole career, and shat the bed in the playoff game that season, while eli was throwing lazers all over the field.
he's talented yea, sure. but he caught 6 passes for 44 yards last thursday and has been struggling to get separation this year, in addition to the lockerroom and sideline bullshit. he's one of the most unllikeable marquee players i can recall the giants having since i've been old enough to pay attention.
Culture matters, I am not saying it does not. I also think fan/media perception is different from people in the lockerroom which is all that really matters.
That being said, I am not absolving him from his behavior this season. I agree with Mara, shut up and play football. Everyone would benefit from that, including the Giants.
RE: And some people can't seem to understand that culture matters
culture does matter- the giants was bad before odell, and remains bad... and the sit back and be silent and stink type arent helping the culture either. and odell isnt helping it with the interview and his overall vibe is generating negative attention.
but his on the field work and effort is 100% helpful for the team- there is no debating that.
I think I'd rather have the outspoken guy who can't handle losing and gets driven mad by it than the guy who is just happy to collect a check, say nothing, be content with losing, and go home.
Beckham needs to just cut the shit with the antics and keep things in-house. He needs to make this about the Giants and stop making it about himself.
I'm tired of all that too. But if the team wasn't so fucking bad, we wouldn't be hearing about any of it and he's not the reason why we suck.
Like I've said before - if you're going to call Odell Beckham a loser, you'd better start calling Saquon Barkley one too.
Again, people can't separate their dislike for him and be reasonable.
i'm being perfectly reasonable.. odell is an all-world talent with a 10 cent head, and an unlikeable personality. but yea, i guess i'm thankful that he's kept his crazy off the field of play this year, and has relegated it to the sideline, the lockerroom and the media.
and yes.. until odell WINS something that matters, he's not a winner. what is the rationale for calling him a winner. what's he won? shit, last week he wasn't even winning his one-on-one battles..
forgive me for expecting a bit more from the highest paid WR in the game. ffs.
apples and oranges. eli's first playoff game was his first full season as a starter. he was basically a rookie. odell's was not.
i realize some on here will go to any lengths to defend him because of his natural talent. but you'll remember the giants won their first superbowl without tiki, and without shockey- two players who everyone believed were key, marquee players, who also happened to be selfish, immature guys.
again, i liked and supported beckham up THROUGH the josh norman debacle (coughlin's last year here). but the bullshit side drama he continually brings has worn thin for me since that point. i probably soured on him after the playoff game where he sucked, and the following season where he was pissing like a dog as the giants were on their way to a 0-3 start to 2017. it is what it is at this point. i am rooting for him to get his head out of his ass, but i feel like i've been waiting for that for literally years now.
apples and oranges. eli's first playoff game was his first full season as a starter. he was basically a rookie. odell's was not.
i realize some on here will go to any lengths to defend him because of his natural talent. but you'll remember the giants won their first superbowl without tiki, and without shockey- two players who everyone believed were key, marquee players, who also happened to be selfish, immature guys.
again, i liked and supported beckham up THROUGH the josh norman debacle (coughlin's last year here). but the bullshit side drama he continually brings has worn thin for me since that point. i probably soured on him after the playoff game where he sucked, and the following season where he was pissing like a dog as the giants were on their way to a 0-3 start to 2017. it is what it is at this point. i am rooting for him to get his head out of his ass, but i feel like i've been waiting for that for literally years now.
People thought Burress was a selfish, immature guy too. Pretty sure he was the one who caught the game winning TD pass.
By the way, Jeremy Shockey caught the game winning TD pass for the Saints the very next year in the Super Bowl.
So the whole "selfish divas never win" narrative is bullshit.
did win the superbowl without tiki and shockey, right? and that was eli's 4th year as a pro. i also don't recall shockey acting like a selfish headcase on the saints, or at least not to the extent that he was here. i also don't recall anyone saying that about burress, at least not up through the superbowl season. in 2008, sure, yea.
i'm relieved to see you you acknowledge that beckham is a selfish diva- just a selfish diva that you really like and think is really good for the team.
I guess you forgot about the way Burress used to skip practices all the time, incur fines, and all of the other nonsense that went on. It wasn't all after the Super Bowl, either.
We can shift and move the goal posts as much as you want. Both guys were called bad teammates, both guys were called selfish. Both guys have Super Bowl rings and have the game winning scores to their names.
I don't need to be best friends with the athletes on the teams I root for. I don't really give a shit if Odell Beckham is a "diva" or not. He's an excellent football player. That's about as much as I care.
The narrative that we can't win with Beckham is manufactured trash. It's a lazy, stupid argument and anyone who actually understands the sport should know that it's not even remotely true.
Burress is Manning's favorite target, but when attendance is taken at practice, and the wide receiver is among the missing, Eli isn't among the thrilled. So, "It's not a great situation," followed by, "Imagine how many touchdowns he'd have if he was practicing."
And because he isn't, "You can't put in too many new routes or plays he's never run before. Tons of different things" they can't try.
"That's a first for me and a first for a lot of people," Eli says. "It's not a situation you like or he likes, having him sitting down and watching us."
A great situation, it's not. "But you've got to do it and there's no point complaining. You just got to make it work," Eli says.
Remember when he "hurt his knee in the shower" the night before?
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below... Link - ( New Window )
Can barely be covered for 2 seconds. If we had a QB that could buy some time with his feet, OBJ would put up numbers that leave no doubt he is the best receiver in the game. He knows this, his shot a Manning was very soft but true. We need a QB yesterday. Who else on the team can actually call out Manning and not be run off? Our weapons are actually better than the Rams IMHO. The difference is Whitworth and Goff.
Remember when he "hurt his knee in the shower" the night before?
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below... Link - ( New Window )
I'd consider the Giants fortunate that Plax didn't blow up in their faces prior to winning the Super Bowl. It was damn close.
That team was good enough and stacked with enough veterans to abide two idiots, though the offense got better once Shockey got hurt. This current team is terrible, and Beckham is probably the veteran to whom the players look up to the most. I think he is a leader on this team, and we're seeing the results.
plaxico stuff.. for some reason all i remember is that green by playoff game and his moments of glory during the 2007 SB run. funny how that works. i also remember him having a good relationship with eli. but yea, revisionist history on my part for sure. i think most of his fines were for being late (not five minutes early and shit like that) and i definitely remember him missing lots of practices in 2007. but i don't recall him being cancerous until the 2008 season when they jumped out to 11-1 before he shot himself.
i'm not saying the giants can't win with beckham. i never said that. but they haven't really to this point, 2016 being the exception and that was on back of the defense. maybe all of this is the fault of a cooked eli.. maybe beckham's head will improve with a rookie QB, or a recycled veteran like david carr or some such. who knows. but he's become one of my least favorite giants of all time, talent aside. if you think that makes me "stupid" or buying into the media agenda against him, whatever man. i have a different opinion than you. big fucking deal. it's not a right or wrong kind of a proposition.
RE: RE: Plax almost didn't play in that Super Bowl
Remember when he "hurt his knee in the shower" the night before?
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below... Link - ( New Window )
Yep. There were problems with Plax before 2008.
A gym buddy of mine was the head of security at NY Hospital the night the brought Plax in. Hes also close with the organization. He told me there is stuff from that night that no one will ever know.
eli was wet behind the ears his first playoff game and i attribute the goose egg in part to that, yea. is it easier to overlook that coz of the two SB wins. absolutely. in the 2016 GB playoff game it was beckham's third year as a pro. he was a veteran, and team leader at that point. granted none of the other WRs were good that day either. i don't give eli any passes for sucking it up in the 2008 season playoff game v the eagles after plax shot himself, and i don't give him any passes for his current level of play either.
beckham to me has looked very average on the field this year. maybe that's all on eli's decline. but it's easier to ignore the off the field nonsense/drama when he's producing and of course when the team is winning. i know he's frustrated and sick of losing. so are all the fans. losing this consistently is rough on everyone. sadly, eli seems used to it at this point. like i said man, i hope he gets it together. im a giants fan. im not rooting against him. just disappointed.
beckham to me has looked very average on the field this year.
eli was wet behind the ears his first playoff game and i attribute the goose egg in part to that, yea. is it easier to overlook that coz of the two SB wins. absolutely. in the 2016 GB playoff game it was beckham's third year as a pro. he was a veteran, and team leader at that point. granted none of the other WRs were good that day either. i don't give eli any passes for sucking it up in the 2008 season playoff game v the eagles after plax shot himself, and i don't give him any passes for his current level of play either.
beckham to me has looked very average on the field this year. maybe that's all on eli's decline. but it's easier to ignore the off the field nonsense/drama when he's producing and of course when the team is winning. i know he's frustrated and sick of losing. so are all the fans. losing this consistently is rough on everyone. sadly, eli seems used to it at this point. like i said man, i hope he gets it together. im a giants fan. im not rooting against him. just disappointed.
It was only Beckham's second FULL season using your halfwit logic.
yards is average for him to me. what the fuck do you want me to say? i expect more from the most talented WR in the game. and yes, i realize eli is a was a shitshow thursday.
yards is average for him to me. what the fuck do you want me to say? i expect more from the most talented WR in the game. and yes, i realize eli is a was a shitshow thursday.
By definition, half his performances will be below average.
I think it's your expectations that need to change, not his effort.
So it looks like Odell Beckham Sr. has something to say about Mara
No, they're not directly related nor mutually exclusive. But that also doesn't make you "smarter" than anyone here. But whatever makes you feel better while you continue being a miserable whiner.
an awesome war of words, but this hasn't played out just yet. I know some people want to claim victory and want so bad to say "I told you so", but nothing is over. I think the Giants still want OBJ and I think they'd sign him again if they could.
You don't claim victory in the 2nd inning of a baseball game.
taking a shot at the owner who showed his faith in his son. He could have let Odell play out the current contract, franchise tag, etc. No.. Mara did the right thing for his son. Short fucking memory. Tell your son to do the right thing by Mara now.
an awesome war of words, but this hasn't played out just yet. I know some people want to claim victory and want so bad to say "I told you so", but nothing is over. I think the Giants still want OBJ and I think they'd sign him again if they could.
You don't claim victory in the 2nd inning of a baseball game.
I want Odell here for his entire career. I want him to finish as the best WR in NFL history. I want him to leave the circus act at home.
I'm glad Mara spoke, I think it's necessary. I have no issues with anything he said. Hopefully the team and OBJ responds well.
he's talented yea, sure. but he caught 6 passes for 44 yards last thursday and has been struggling to get separation this year, in addition to the lockerroom and sideline bullshit. he's one of the most unllikeable marquee players i can recall the giants having since i've been old enough to pay attention.
Again, people can't separate their dislike for him and be reasonable.
That being said, I am not absolving him from his behavior this season. I agree with Mara, shut up and play football. Everyone would benefit from that, including the Giants.
culture does matter- the giants was bad before odell, and remains bad... and the sit back and be silent and stink type arent helping the culture either. and odell isnt helping it with the interview and his overall vibe is generating negative attention.
but his on the field work and effort is 100% helpful for the team- there is no debating that.
Beckham needs to just cut the shit with the antics and keep things in-house. He needs to make this about the Giants and stop making it about himself.
I'm tired of all that too. But if the team wasn't so fucking bad, we wouldn't be hearing about any of it and he's not the reason why we suck.
Like I've said before - if you're going to call Odell Beckham a loser, you'd better start calling Saquon Barkley one too.
Again, people can't separate their dislike for him and be reasonable.
i'm being perfectly reasonable.. odell is an all-world talent with a 10 cent head, and an unlikeable personality. but yea, i guess i'm thankful that he's kept his crazy off the field of play this year, and has relegated it to the sideline, the lockerroom and the media.
and yes.. until odell WINS something that matters, he's not a winner. what is the rationale for calling him a winner. what's he won? shit, last week he wasn't even winning his one-on-one battles..
forgive me for expecting a bit more from the highest paid WR in the game. ffs.
apples and oranges. eli's first playoff game was his first full season as a starter. he was basically a rookie. odell's was not.
i realize some on here will go to any lengths to defend him because of his natural talent. but you'll remember the giants won their first superbowl without tiki, and without shockey- two players who everyone believed were key, marquee players, who also happened to be selfish, immature guys.
again, i liked and supported beckham up THROUGH the josh norman debacle (coughlin's last year here). but the bullshit side drama he continually brings has worn thin for me since that point. i probably soured on him after the playoff game where he sucked, and the following season where he was pissing like a dog as the giants were on their way to a 0-3 start to 2017. it is what it is at this point. i am rooting for him to get his head out of his ass, but i feel like i've been waiting for that for literally years now.
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Eli would've been less of a winner than Odell.
apples and oranges. eli's first playoff game was his first full season as a starter. he was basically a rookie. odell's was not.
i realize some on here will go to any lengths to defend him because of his natural talent. but you'll remember the giants won their first superbowl without tiki, and without shockey- two players who everyone believed were key, marquee players, who also happened to be selfish, immature guys.
again, i liked and supported beckham up THROUGH the josh norman debacle (coughlin's last year here). but the bullshit side drama he continually brings has worn thin for me since that point. i probably soured on him after the playoff game where he sucked, and the following season where he was pissing like a dog as the giants were on their way to a 0-3 start to 2017. it is what it is at this point. i am rooting for him to get his head out of his ass, but i feel like i've been waiting for that for literally years now.
People thought Burress was a selfish, immature guy too. Pretty sure he was the one who caught the game winning TD pass.
By the way, Jeremy Shockey caught the game winning TD pass for the Saints the very next year in the Super Bowl.
So the whole "selfish divas never win" narrative is bullshit.
i'm relieved to see you you acknowledge that beckham is a selfish diva- just a selfish diva that you really like and think is really good for the team.
We can shift and move the goal posts as much as you want. Both guys were called bad teammates, both guys were called selfish. Both guys have Super Bowl rings and have the game winning scores to their names.
I don't need to be best friends with the athletes on the teams I root for. I don't really give a shit if Odell Beckham is a "diva" or not. He's an excellent football player. That's about as much as I care.
The narrative that we can't win with Beckham is manufactured trash. It's a lazy, stupid argument and anyone who actually understands the sport should know that it's not even remotely true.
And because he isn't, "You can't put in too many new routes or plays he's never run before. Tons of different things" they can't try.
"That's a first for me and a first for a lot of people," Eli says. "It's not a situation you like or he likes, having him sitting down and watching us."
A great situation, it's not. "But you've got to do it and there's no point complaining. You just got to make it work," Eli says.
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below...
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I think a lot of pro football players are probably assholes, some are just better at hiding it.
What do yo want? they play a violent game for a living.
None of these guys are coming over for dinner so don't really care about their personalities if they can produce on the field.
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but man Eli has played with some self-absorbed assholes. Talented ones, but wow.
I think a lot of pro football players are probably assholes, some are just better at hiding it.
His brother might be one of the best at hiding it.
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below... Link - ( New Window )
Yep. There were problems with Plax before 2008.
I'd consider the Giants fortunate that Plax didn't blow up in their faces prior to winning the Super Bowl. It was damn close.
That team was good enough and stacked with enough veterans to abide two idiots, though the offense got better once Shockey got hurt. This current team is terrible, and Beckham is probably the veteran to whom the players look up to the most. I think he is a leader on this team, and we're seeing the results.
i'm not saying the giants can't win with beckham. i never said that. but they haven't really to this point, 2016 being the exception and that was on back of the defense. maybe all of this is the fault of a cooked eli.. maybe beckham's head will improve with a rookie QB, or a recycled veteran like david carr or some such. who knows. but he's become one of my least favorite giants of all time, talent aside. if you think that makes me "stupid" or buying into the media agenda against him, whatever man. i have a different opinion than you. big fucking deal. it's not a right or wrong kind of a proposition.
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Remember when he "hurt his knee in the shower" the night before?
His Giants career was also almost over before it started. Remember someone firing shots at a garbage truck out of a car that was in his name, and police seeing someone fitting his description fleeing the scene? If you don't remember, the article is linked below... Link - ( New Window )
Yep. There were problems with Plax before 2008.
A gym buddy of mine was the head of security at NY Hospital the night the brought Plax in. Hes also close with the organization. He told me there is stuff from that night that no one will ever know.
apples and oranges. eli's first playoff game was his first full season as a starter. he was basically a rookie. odell's was not.
i realize some on here will go to any lengths to defend him because of his natural talent.
It's not "apples and oranges". It's you doing the exact same thing you accuse others of doing, which is making excuses for people you like.
beckham to me has looked very average on the field this year. maybe that's all on eli's decline. but it's easier to ignore the off the field nonsense/drama when he's producing and of course when the team is winning. i know he's frustrated and sick of losing. so are all the fans. losing this consistently is rough on everyone. sadly, eli seems used to it at this point. like i said man, i hope he gets it together. im a giants fan. im not rooting against him. just disappointed.
Looked pretty damn dynamic to me. He has gone over 100 yards three out of 6 games.
The only game he looked average was Philly.
beckham to me has looked very average on the field this year. maybe that's all on eli's decline. but it's easier to ignore the off the field nonsense/drama when he's producing and of course when the team is winning. i know he's frustrated and sick of losing. so are all the fans. losing this consistently is rough on everyone. sadly, eli seems used to it at this point. like i said man, i hope he gets it together. im a giants fan. im not rooting against him. just disappointed.
It was only Beckham's second FULL season using your halfwit logic.
Average is a guy like Mohammed Sanu who has 22 receptions all year
He should go back and count how many times he's said that to the press
Average for him???
What the fuck does that mean?
I don't think you understand how averages work.
By definition, half his performances will be below average.
I think it's your expectations that need to change, not his effort.
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thats a lot nicer than most of the people on here are to Mara
So what's your excuse?
Someone should show Odell Senior of his boy spearing a player on the chin on a blinside hit and ask him if thats the same thing as tossing a chair.
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So what's your excuse?
Excuse for what? For accurately seeing how this would play out?
I don't know. I guess just being smarter than your average BBI poster. Or in some cases, significantly smarter.
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I guess this is where Beckham Jr. gets his "passion" and "fire" from. Link - ( New Window )
So what's your excuse?
Excuse for what? For accurately seeing how this would play out complaining incessantly about every single facet of this franchise?
I don't know. I guess just being smarter more miserable than your average BBI poster. Or in some cases, significantly smarter more miserable.
Fixed it for you.
No, they're not directly related nor mutually exclusive. But that also doesn't make you "smarter" than anyone here. But whatever makes you feel better while you continue being a miserable whiner.
You don't claim victory in the 2nd inning of a baseball game.
You don't claim victory in the 2nd inning of a baseball game.
I want Odell here for his entire career. I want him to finish as the best WR in NFL history. I want him to leave the circus act at home.