If Eli goes out playing like this is he a hall of famer?

At this rate he'll finish with a losing record, and outside of New York, he's seen as a Trent Dilfer borderline bust who got lucky twice.

Rivers and Roethlisberger will get in, though.

unless he wins a SB and or multiple MVPs..

is going to be a huge mark against them. I think he has a solid shot to get in, but he's going to be a borderline case and there's going to be a lot of debate about it.

I'll say that for sure.

question. If this is his last yr and we go something like 4-12 Id say no.

Last two seasons definitely killed that dream IMO. Should have retired 3 seasons ago if you ask me.

Embarassing performances. He was a marginal HOF candidate 2 years ago. I think that ship has sailed.

Supporters will point to the passing accomplishments that are some of the best of all time, the two championships and Superbowl MVPs, the 4th quarter comebacks, and the iconic plays like the helmet catch and say he is a sure fire Hof player.

The detractors will point to the longevity and change to a passing league to explain the stats, point to the interceptions and inconsistent play, and say he was a good QB who needed a top defense to win. They will also say if his name was Eli Smith, nobody would be talking about him as a HoF player.

It's hard to say because the HoF isn't really the best of the best, it's more of a hall of the very good. Given that bar he should get in.

In comment 14131660 Mike from Ohio said:

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It's hard to say because the HoF isn't really the best of the best, it's more of a hall of the very good. Given that bar he should get in.

I agree that he should get in based on where the bar has been set, but I just don't think he will. People love to hate him, especially in the media.

6th all-time in passing yards, 7th all-time in passing touchdowns, and two Super Bowls (both as the MVP). Plus he's an iron man in New York.

The knock will be career win/loss record and career interceptions (15th all-time - though Favre is a HOFer and is 1st all-time, Marino 8th and Peyton 9th).

Still, he's in.

In comment 14131657 joe48 said:

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Embarassing performances. He was a marginal HOF candidate 2 years ago. I think that ship has sailed.

Was the Carolina game a embarrassing performance? How about the Houston game? And if he goes for 325 and 3TD's vs ATL then what?? Amazing how fans can not see past the end of their collective noses. Has he been perfect no ...but good lord some of you act as if the guy has not completed a pass all season ...

In comment 14131638 FStubbs said:

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At this rate he'll finish with a losing record, and outside of New York, he's seen as a Trent Dilfer borderline bust who got lucky twice. Rivers and Roethlisberger will get in, though.

Did you just really compare Eli to Trent Dilfer?

but as a Giants fan you would even entartain that?

Will get him in

Outside of 3-4 years he has been a distinctly average to below average QB. His longevity, perfect NY demeanor and Superbowl MVP's certainly help him in NY but outside....he kinda gets the shrug of the shoulder

Eli has been an above average regular season quarterback for most of his career

For two post seasons he was All Time Hall of Fame

Overall, not enough

So you have to wait and see his final numbers. If he starts 3 more years, either here or somewhere else, his career numbers willl get him in

If he retired today, I think it would 50/50 if he would get in

Is 19/13 and 3500 yards.

He’s getting in. Maybe not first ballot.

has very little to do with eli and how he plays now and everything to do with what the voters value.

For voters that value sustained excellence, he will not get their vote. For voters who give huge credit to QBs for super bowls and generally value an individual's contribution to team championships, he will get their vote.

He has big aggregate numbers, but his case is really built on his contributions to 2 titles. IMO there are enough voters that place a high value on that fin particular for QBs that he will get in.

of the eligible QBs who have won more than one Super Bowl, the only QB not in Canton is Jim Plunkett.

Here are the ones who made it in with only one SB, not counting Len Dawson or Johnny Unitas.

Joe Namath
Kurt Warner
Brett Favre
Joe Theismann
Ken Stabler

I think a fair amount of how Eli will be perceived when he becomes HOF-eligible will depend on how well his replacement does between now and then. But that aside, I think Eli has a pretty solid case.

because of the super bowl runs. he’s got an awesome road record had defeated multiple 13-3 and better teams including a 15-1 and 16-0 team.

His aggregate passing stats are paired with amongst the most attempts in nfl history so he should be ranked highly here.

He is outright poor in MVP voting in any season let alone actual mvp relative to most hall candidates. His typical qb rating is middle pack.

quite frankly if Phil Simms is not in, Eli should not be. Eli had more overall playoff magic but i thought Simms was a top 10 qb more seasons under worse circumstances as a passer and was a damn good player in 84-93. Then again phil Simms in my mind should get in eventually and I would say same for Eli.

In comment 14131685 joeinpa said:

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Eli has been an above average regular season quarterback for most of his career For two post seasons he was All Time Hall of Fame Overall, not enough

So we're going to ignore the fact that he was the most clutch QB in the 4th quarter for a bulk of that time? Man short memories in this place...

Some careers are about the long term, and others are about moments. Eli's is about a couple enormous moments. As a Giants fan those moments are way more valuable to me than MVPs, passing titles, and the like. That's all I care about. I just wish for his sake the front office and ownership hadn't been so misguided these last few years.

the hall is full of silly overrated so who knows?

Warren Moon, Curtis Martin come to mind. so does Dan Hampton.

meanwhile tiki barber who was far more explosive than Martin does not. and guys like lc greenwood stay out.

My Giant fan life started with Charlie Conerly, and includes Y.A. Tittle, Fran Tarkenton, Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler, as well as Eli Manning.

I must say, some people's view of Manning's qualities is WAY overdone. He was good when he was good, I'm very happy about the two SBs, but his falws including poor judgement leading to interceptions and fair-poor red zone performance have been obvious from the beginning of his time in NY.

Is he hall of fame caliber? I doubt it.

Eli -IMO has never been a HOF QB , he is to inconsistent and needs talent around him to make things work. He doesn’t make everyone around him better as Elite QB’s do. Just my opinion but even with the two SB -MVP’s he’s always been questionable in my eyes. He should of moved on with Coughlin.

Though I’am in the camp that wanted and I’am glad we got Barkley as we can now get a QB we want to pair with a great young duo of RB &WR. We’ll fix the line next year and have a new QB.

Good times ahead

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I think he doesn’t get in (I of course hope he does).

the voters aren't going to punish him because he held on too long, most players tend to hold on too long.

the HoF voting is based on what have you done for me lately? You know all players have to wait 5 years after retiring first right? He is top 10 in every passing category and in those categories, surrounded by HoFers or soon to be HoFers. He has 2 SB MVPs and only 4 other players in history can say that. Three are HoFers already, the 4th is Tom Brady. Not too mention he's a damn poster boy for the NFL even getting a 'Man of the Year' award.

He's not a first ballot HoFer. Not even close (depends on his competition at the time too) but HE WILL GET IN.

I can't believe people think he won't get in because he didn't end on a high note. At this point, he would have to kill someone in a hit and run due to a DUI to not get in the HoF.

Lets face it, he had a nice career but he is no HOF.

Let’s see what the landscape is like in 5 years. People don’t remember washed athletes years after they retire, they remember their peaks. There’s been enough “Eli is a HOFer” noise among athletes and media types that gives me hope he gets in.

Eli has not won a single playoff game. He has never been on the All-Pro team. So, no he is not a Hof'er in my opinion. I really don't care though, he brought us 2 championships

I believe there are only 12 qb's who have won multiple Super Bowls including Eli. There are only 4 who are not in Hall: Brady and Eli who are still playing, another is Peyton who is not yet eligible. Brady and Peyton are locks. Guess who the identity of the fourth?

In comment 14131638 FStubbs said:

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At this rate he'll finish with a losing record, and outside of New York, he's seen as a Trent Dilfer borderline bust who got lucky twice. Rivers and Roethlisberger will get in, though.

Rivers?! AHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

I never thought Eli is or was a great quarterback. You watch the great ones(Ben,Rogers,Brady,Brees)and IMO, Eli is not in the same league as those guys. He might still get in but I never thought he was extraordinary. Very good, at times, yes,but never great.

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Eli has not won a single playoff game.

That’s like saying, “outside of that giant soda I just guzzled and all the cake and cookies I ate today, I’ve ate really healthy today!!”

In comment 14131795 HomerJones45 said:

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I believe there are only 12 qb's who have won multiple Super Bowls including Eli. There are only 4 who are not in Hall: Brady and Eli who are still playing, another is Peyton who is not yet eligible. Brady and Peyton are locks. Guess who the identity of the fourth?

Spot on Gene. He’s a lock. I’m just not sure of WHEN after he retires

The perception of him post last super bowl

Hes up there in few categories in passing etc..consecutive games played was screwed up or that would still be in tac.

Positives very few two time mvp sb championships and the fashion that he got them and vs the team..ne...could get him enough votes

If I were him, and knowing saying this competitive players feel they can go on forever, I'd walk away before making it worse. Can he win another? Possibly..but it'd take a perfect scenario and conditions to happen..but at 38?

even have a decent sized bet with a Pats fan that he gets in.

but I admit, I am concerned these last few years will negatively affect how he is viewed for HOF purposes.

and I REALLY HOPE he does. The more Giants in the better and the truth is that he does not get enough credit for the quality person that he is.

Why I think he probably will not get in is because he will rely on people voting and it is NOT going to be just people from NY. I believe there is a negative vibe about Eli by those reporters and others who will be voting. They see the collapses on the nationally televised games and unfortunately are going to put too much weight on the second half of his career.

In comment 14131677 slickwilly said:

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but as a Giants fan you would even entartain that?

As a Giants fan, no.

Problem is this is the perception of Eli.

In comment 14131673 slickwilly said:

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In comment 14131638 FStubbs said: Quote: At this rate he'll finish with a losing record, and outside of New York, he's seen as a Trent Dilfer borderline bust who got lucky twice. Rivers and Roethlisberger will get in, though. Did you just really compare Eli to Trent Dilfer?

Yeah. Seriously Eli is seen about on that level by non-Giants fans. Remember people seriously thought Sanchez was better at one point. Eli has a huge PR problem and PR is a big part of what gets you into the Hall of Fame. Just ask players like Joe Namath and Jerome Bettis.

Was he a dominating figure at his position during his career? Nope.

Even when he was elite, he was never viewed that way by outsiders. He will be in the giants ring of honor, that’s all that matters.....to me anyway.

In comment 14131795 HomerJones45 said:

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I believe there are only 12 qb's who have won multiple Super Bowls including Eli. There are only 4 who are not in Hall: Brady and Eli who are still playing, another is Peyton who is not yet eligible. Brady and Peyton are locks. Guess who the identity of the fourth?

Plunkett

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but he won’t make the HOF, IMO.

That has the potential to put him in hall of fame contention, along with the Super Bowls. Although his play over the course of his career may not merit HOF, his second longest consecutive start streak in the history of the game is certainly a stat that could make him deserving, along with the 4th Q comebacks and 2 Super Bowls.

He's part of football royalty - the Mannings.

He beat Brady/Belichick twice.

He will get the benefit of the anti-Pats vote from the writers.

Should he get in? No. But the HoF has lowered their standard over the decades to allow good players in. Si being great - over some sustained portion of time - is no longer the threshold.

...joke? Hell no.