I'm on the fence. He's a two time Superbowl winning QB and two time Superbowl MVP. He holds most if not all the Giants QB records. The argument in my mind would be he's been playing on a bad team for a long time and his play has been poor to average regardless of the team around him. Right or wrong people tend to forget what you did and remember what your doing now it's just human nature.
I think ELI has been a great Giant and great teammate. I'm not posting this to bash him just curious what you guys think on the subject.
The challenge for him will be that if he doesn't make it in right away, there's going to be an ever-growing volume of other QBs that will be difficult for the selection committee to not put in the HOF before Eli.
18-1.
Manning to Tyree
Manning to Manningham
2 time SB MVP
Iron Man Streak (never missed a start DUE TO INJURY)
Manning family name. Back to back brothers being SB MVP's, Peyton in '06 and Eli in '07. That will NEVER happen again.
Eli might not have been a great great great qb if you want to dissect his game but he most definitely had a great career. Tons of numbers and two Super Bowls? And in both runs he played tremendous? That’s a hof career. Dissect kill and analyze it— no doubt Eli has had a weird career... up and down. But it’s in there.
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Eli dwarfs him statistically. Eli’s only major knock IMO will be his career record, unless he miraculously starts winning games. Anyway, Eli’s resume for a 2 time Super Champ and MVP most definitely puts him in the conversation. I don’t believe he’s a first ballot HoFer, but I think he gets in a few ballots later.
Eli is not a great player. Very good, not great.
Roethlisberger?
Rivers and Roethlisberger will get in, though.
It's pretty silly actually to think that he will get into the HOF with a losing record in his last few years. The HOF is going to look at how the player was remembered. If the player retired on a long term downslide then his overall performance better have overcome that downslide dramatically. Brett Favre for example. Can that be said about Eli? Uh, no. Outside of NY he's not even a consideration. Just being honest. Eli is the best Giants quarterback to play the game and had remarkable success early on. Then he fell off a cliff. The HOF voters aren't going to look at his offensive line woes, just his performance. He doesn't get in.
Namath's career stats are complete trash. A .500 record as a starter in 13 seasons. In only two (!) of those seasons did he throw more TDs than INTs. Three career post-season games. And even before his knees got jacked up, he had a level of mobility that makes Eli look like Michael Fucking Vick.
Namath has a bust in Canton because of one thing. He won Super Bowl III. Except not just that - he also predicted his team would win Super Bowl III. Except he didn't really - as he was apparently so shit-faced that he could barely string a sentence together. Some enterprising reporter who heard him speak at the Miami Touchdown Club took some creative liberties with his remarks, and in the 50 years since, Namath has been more than happy to perpetuate the narrative.
But the point is, Namath owns a yellow blazer because of a story embedded in the mythos of NFL history. And I'm fine with that. But by any rational standard, Eli is a better QB than Namath ever was.
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But if you ask my dad and his brother, both born in the 40s, they tell you Namath had an arm that was just out of this world. He made throws that were out extraordinary. And he played in the era where the physicality all the way around, especially receivers vs dbacks, was the complete opposite to how the game was played. In other words, it was difficult to be an efficient passer...
Meant to say one of only 5 players with 2 SB MVP's and the other 4 are in...
Namath did nothing in that Super Bowl. Snell scored the only Jets TD and defense had 4 interceptions.
Eli beat the best ever that day. I'd say the helmet catch is better or just as equal to Namath's prediction.
Namath had more swagger.
He'll get in...
Yes, he's had two magical runs and he's been a vital piece of those runs, but what do people outside of NY say? The defense carried him. He made a few lucky throws. He should have been picked off.
I feel like I've been fighting in defense of Eli for the majority of his career trying to convince people that he was elite. I'm sure we all have. Hopefully that's now how he's viewed when it's time for the votes.
He'll get in...
Agreed.
Do not agree. haha
Game streak
Two time Super Bowl MVP, no losses
Beat Brady/Bill B twice, including an undefeated season
Will end top five in yards thrown, TD's.
NFL Man of The Year
He's going in. Not first ballot, but he's going in. If he is traded or ends up anywhere, like the Jags, and makes the playoffs next year, it's a lock
They will have a legitimacy problem if they just let every durable stat accumulator in.
It will be easier to keep the Romos and Rivers of the world out if they don't let Eli in. And if they let Eli in then lots of fans bases will be whining about their QB, because he/she will have better stats then Eli....
And Eli might not care as much as others about being the highest profile guy not in the HOF. HOF could look at all the others and "Eli's got stats, 2 SB MVPs and he's famous, but he's not HOF famous and neither are you..."
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At this rate he'll finish with a losing record, and outside of New York, he's seen as a Trent Dilfer borderline bust who got lucky twice.
Rivers and Roethlisberger will get in, though.
Rivers?! AHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
He got lucky twice?
He was the best and toughest player on the field those two playoff seasons that led to championships.
Lucky. Jesus.
Yes, he is wrong.
Mouthbreathers don't get a vote.
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several on here will need to go on suicide-watch...
Do not agree. haha
you would be the first one to take sharp knives away from...
I don't think you can find a contemporary that is NOT in that is comparable to Eli.
Anybody that wants to revisit the "lucky" narrative can go back and watch both playoff runs, and look at the stats.
I think if they watched again, they wouldn't think he was so lucky.
But if you ask my dad and his brother, both born in the 40s, they tell you Namath had an arm that was just out of this world. He made throws that were out extraordinary. And he played in the era where the physicality all the way around, especially receivers vs dbacks, was the complete opposite to how the game was played. In other words, it was difficult to be an efficient passer...
I can vouch for what your Dad and your uncle saw. He and Sonny Jurgenson had two of the best arms I’ve ever seen. Jeff George et al were mediocre so I don’t reference them.
Namath’s game was the intermediate to long pass. That translates into more INTs and awful completion percentages, so those who NEVER saw him play and cite stats as proof that Namath doesn’t belong are flat out wrong. I only pay heed to those who actually lived through his era
He beat Favre in ice cold temps in Green Bay.
He beat the league MVP Brady, 18-0 as one of the biggest underdogs in SB history.
He beat league MVP Aaron Rodgers, 15-1, on the road in Green Bay.
He dropped back to pass 56 times in a monsoon against a ferocious San Fran defense who sacked him what? 6 times? 8 times?
In 2007, they were 11-0 on the road? Won every game on the road in the playoffs?
Not to mention the two signature plays in both Superbowls, which both came on the final drive for the offense where they HAD to score a TD in the final two minutes.
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but he's not wrong about the lucky twice comment. Weve all had to defend Eli throughout his career. We hear that all the time. Even guys on TV that rank QB's say the same thing. He's never been given the respect he deserved throughout his career.
Anybody that wants to revisit the "lucky" narrative can go back and watch both playoff runs, and look at the stats.
I think if they watched again, they wouldn't think he was so lucky.
You defend the guy like he's your first born. Have you not had to defend Eli from that perception a million times? That's the perception outside of this fanbase, for the most part. I don't think many on here would agree that he was lucky.
Green Bay 14-3
New England 18-0
Green Bay 15-1
San Fran 14-3
New England 15-3
All of those games on the road.
Agree with others, not on the first ballot. Maybe not for a few years. I could see voters "making him pay" by waiting a while over things as petty as the refusal to play in San Diego, and even a "resentment vote" against the Manning family. (Yes, I believe strongly that that crap occurs.)
But I think he will eventually receive the invite. And God willing, I'll be there for his induction, I hope alongside my son.
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but he's not wrong about the lucky twice comment. Weve all had to defend Eli throughout his career. We hear that all the time. Even guys on TV that rank QB's say the same thing. He's never been given the respect he deserved throughout his career.
Anybody that wants to revisit the "lucky" narrative can go back and watch both playoff runs, and look at the stats.
I think if they watched again, they wouldn't think he was so lucky.
You defend the guy like he's your first born. Have you not had to defend Eli from that perception a million times? That's the perception outside of this fanbase, for the most part. I don't think many on here would agree that he was lucky.
Who cares how I defend him, or why? Is what I'm saying true or not?
People that vote for the HOF have to review/acknowledge those things.
It doesn't matter what Jo Schmo in Sacramento thinks?
He’s getting in. Maybe not first ballot.
“Statistical season” you said? How about the grand statistics of merely 4-game over .500 over 15 years, and that he was considered as top 5 among his own peers in at most two of those 15 years.
Yet, the only doubt in your mind about his HoF staus was “he may not be first ballot.” First ballot my ass.
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several on here will need to go on suicide-watch...
Do not agree. haha
you would be the first one to take sharp knives away from...
actually you probably slip to #2...
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Is 19/13 and 3500 yards.
He’s getting in. Maybe not first ballot.
“Statistical season” you said? How about the grand statistics of merely 4-game over .500 over 15 years, and that he was considered as top 5 among his own peers in at most two of those 15 years.
Yet, the only doubt in your mind about his HoF staus was “he may not be first ballot.” First ballot my ass.
HOF is an individual accomplishment. Team record has no bearing. Even if team record should be oncluded..... a team winning 2 SBs is better than having a .750 winning percentage and no SBs right?
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In comment 14132507 Keith said:
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but he's not wrong about the lucky twice comment. Weve all had to defend Eli throughout his career. We hear that all the time. Even guys on TV that rank QB's say the same thing. He's never been given the respect he deserved throughout his career.
Anybody that wants to revisit the "lucky" narrative can go back and watch both playoff runs, and look at the stats.
I think if they watched again, they wouldn't think he was so lucky.
You defend the guy like he's your first born. Have you not had to defend Eli from that perception a million times? That's the perception outside of this fanbase, for the most part. I don't think many on here would agree that he was lucky.
Who cares how I defend him, or why? Is what I'm saying true or not?
People that vote for the HOF have to review/acknowledge those things.
It doesn't matter what Jo Schmo in Sacramento thinks?
Who decides who gets into the HOF? Forget Joe Schmo, lets just look at how the media perceives him. In Eli's peak, I can remember a number of media members ranking QB's and Eli was never given respect. Every year a new flavor of the month was ranked as a better QB than Eli. He was always in the 8-10 range. That's how he has been perceived by the media and people outside NY. Even 1/3 of the people in NY never gave him the respect he deserved. It's reality buddy.
#6 all time passing yards
#7 all time in touchdowns
2 x Superbowl MVP
Find any Quarterback with that resume that's not in. Just one.