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Giants should have the pick of the litter in 2019 QB Class

GmeninPSL : 10/16/2018 4:08 pm
Looking at some of these mock drafts there appears to be one positive take away for the 2019 NFL draft. Based on the projected record, the Giants will have their pick in 2019 because unlike 2018 there won't be a log jam for QB's.

No question the argument will be that the 2019 class will not be nearly as good as the 2018 class, but I think as the College season emerges, Giants brass could find that one stud QB that stands out above the rest.

So based on the theory that the Giants would have found the right QB in either the 2018 or 2019 draft, the trade off of having Barkley as your RB for the next 5-8 years is well worth it. The key to all of this is the GM & Coach have to make the right decision and select that can't miss QB next April.
There might not be one...  
Matt G : 10/16/2018 4:13 pm : link
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RE: There might not be one...  
cokeduplt : 10/16/2018 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14131690 Matt G said:
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hows that possible? One qb won’t be better than the rest?
Most likely the Giants are picking no worse than 8th  
EJJ : 10/16/2018 4:15 pm : link
They can trade back if they feel they are all in on a QB. I say 8th because they could still go on a run with Barkley and Odell. I can't root to loose.
Did the Giants make major changes to the scouting dept?  
Rick in Dallas : 10/16/2018 4:16 pm : link
I seem to recall mention of Gettlemen making changes. Who is in charge of college scouting now?
There is Denver  
mdthedream : 10/16/2018 4:17 pm : link
Raiders,Washington,Tampa,New Orleans,Dallas and Jags to name a few.
It's not as deep as last year's class  
Strahan91 : 10/16/2018 4:23 pm : link
but there's an argument to be made that Herbert is as good as any of the QB prospects in last year's draft. If he doesn't come out, it's slim pickings as of now but one of the others could emerge. I just don't see how Herbert or Haskins don't come out. If Herbert stays, Haskins would be crazy not to come out (assuming he keeps it up and is a projected top pick). Next year's class has Tua and Fromm so there are no guarantees.
RE: There is Denver  
Toth029 : 10/16/2018 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14131695 mdthedream said:
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Raiders,Washington,Tampa,New Orleans,Dallas and Jags to name a few.

I don't see Dallas giving on Dak yet.
Bortles and JAX is interesting but they won't be a high teens or top 10 pick.
Saints acquired Bridgewater and I assume make a big deal to re-sign him.

Other teams, you're right. I wonder about Miami too...but they are winning now.
I cant see Herbert staying in school  
gmen9892 : 10/16/2018 4:27 pm : link
As long as he has a good year the rest of the way (Washington was the toughest defense they will face the rest of the year), he will be the #1 QB prospect and will undoubtedly go Top 3.

The 2020 Draft Class will have more competition and there is no telling whether Herbert will be the first QB to go that year if Tua decides to come out. He will be risking injury in a nothing to prove Senior year and will also lose out on money.
If there's a QB worthy of the top pick, a QB will be taken at #1.  
jogo1 : 10/16/2018 4:28 pm : link
There's still a lot of football left to be played, and a lot of "competition" at the bottom.
You want a rookie qb playing behind this oline? That is cruel and  
SterlingArcher : 10/16/2018 4:44 pm : link
unusual punishment. After 5 games you will be screaming he's a bust, why did we draft him and not an olineman.
RE: You want a rookie qb playing behind this oline? That is cruel and  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2018 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14131725 SterlingArcher said:
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unusual punishment. After 5 games you will be screaming he's a bust


As long as we recognize that that take is dumb, scream all you want about it. Taking the QB would still be the right move.
remember the year the giants  
japanhead : 10/16/2018 4:50 pm : link
went all in on eli in the trade with san diego after passing on robert gallery? drafted snee and fortified the line in FA? granted they had seubert and diehl already..
RE: You want a rookie qb playing behind this oline? That is cruel and  
Anakim : 10/16/2018 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14131725 SterlingArcher said:
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unusual punishment. After 5 games you will be screaming he's a bust, why did we draft him and not an olineman.


Taking a QB doesn't mean we have to start him right away. It also doesn't preclude us from upgrading our O-Line.
Maybe they'll draft a Center in the Top 5  
Default : 10/16/2018 4:54 pm : link
because he was touched by the hand of God.
Lustin for Justin  
Anakim : 10/16/2018 4:57 pm : link
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The 2003 Giants had  
hassan : 10/16/2018 5:01 pm : link
a terrible line. did not stop them from drafting eli nor should it have.
RE: You want a rookie qb playing behind this oline? That is cruel and  
Jim in Tampa : 10/16/2018 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14131725 SterlingArcher said:
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unusual punishment. After 5 games you will be screaming he's a bust, why did we draft him and not an olineman.

Actually, you'll be the only one screaming that. Just like now and on every thread.
RE: The 2003 Giants had  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2018 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14131746 hassan said:
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a terrible line. did not stop them from drafting eli nor should it have.


Plenty of people here wanted Robert Gallery that year, not a QB.
RE: RE: The 2003 Giants had  
Jerry in DC : 10/16/2018 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14131754 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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a terrible line. did not stop them from drafting eli nor should it have.



Plenty of people here wanted Robert Gallery that year, not a QB.


That is true. A lot of people probably dont realize that. BBI was very split on that draft. I think gallery was probably the plurality choice. Lots of "we will have our LT for the next 10 years" comments.

Pretty even split across gallery, Taylor, and big Ben. A few fitz, but not too many. And the trade for manning was not all that well received - many people had him lower than ben, many people did not want a qb.
Rookie QB  
George : 10/16/2018 5:21 pm : link
might well sit on the bench his entire first year.

Gives us time to rebuild the line through drafts in both 2019 and 2020, plus FA.

Cokedup  
Matt G : 10/16/2018 5:24 pm : link
There very well might not be a can’t miss QB prospect
RE: Cokedup  
cokeduplt : 10/16/2018 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14131775 Matt G said:
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There very well might not be a can’t miss QB prospect


Gotcha I though u meant no cream of the crop
Jerry  
Samiam : 10/16/2018 5:45 pm : link
I disagree. I think that most here wanted Eli. There was some talk about Gallery and others but Eli was the clear choice. There were 2 caveats. The first that some thought we could have traded down, maybe multiple times, and still ended up with Ben who I think went 11th. The other was that we overpaid for Eli in that he said he wouldn’t play for SD so the assumption was that we had them over a barrel. I’m of the kind we got Eli pretty cheaply. Still, to my point, I think most here wanted the Giants to come away with Eli and were happy we did
There is only one way the Giants are sure to get their man, they  
wgenesis123 : 10/16/2018 5:47 pm : link
have to have the first pick. Any lower pick 2, 3 , 4 or 5 and someone can trade up in front of them and if there is only one good QB someone surely will.
RE: It's not as deep as last year's class  
chopperhatch : 10/16/2018 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14131702 Strahan91 said:
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but there's an argument to be made that Herbert is as good as any of the QB prospects in last year's draft. If he doesn't come out, it's slim pickings as of now but one of the others could emerge. I just don't see how Herbert or Haskins don't come out. If Herbert stays, Haskins would be crazy not to come out (assuming he keeps it up and is a projected top pick). Next year's class has Tua and Fromm so there are no guarantees.


I agree about the class this year not being as DEEP (although I didnt think last year's was particularly deep either) and I think Herbert is more talented than ANYBODY from last year. I dont think he is as polisjed as Baker, but I think he is as polished as Darnold. Herbert is a better prospect than any of the guys from last year if you consider his age and measurables.

I disagree however, in that I cant FATHOM Herbert not coming out. He WILL be the number 1 pick. You cant say the same next year if he doesnt have a good year or gets hurt.
speaking of our competition for Herbert  
Strahan91 : 10/16/2018 6:03 pm : link
John Gruden gave a very strong endorsement to David Carr today: "He is the strength of this football team. He is on my watch. I said it when I got here, if he doesn't play well, I've failed."

Considering the fact that he holds nothing back in his press conferences and has thrown a lot of guys under the bus, I think he means it. The talk about looking for his replacement in the draft may be overstated.
I wasn't too impressed with Herbert this past weekend  
Go Terps : 10/16/2018 6:03 pm : link
He locks on to his primary receiver a lot, and from what I could see a lot of what he does at Oregon is really different from what we see with the Giants. That would be more palatable to me if I had faith in our current coaching staff to successfully coach and integrate Herbert into a pro system. I don't have that faith in our coaches.

I think if you draft Herbert you're drafting tools. KWALL made the comp the other day to Mahomes, and that may be accurate. Mahomes had the good fortune of going to Andy Reid. Herbert would not have the same level of fortune coming to an offense where, apparently, Odell Beckham runs the show.
RE: You want a rookie qb playing behind this oline? That is cruel and  
TommyWiseau : 10/16/2018 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14131725 SterlingArcher said:
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unusual punishment. After 5 games you will be screaming he's a bust, why did we draft him and not an olineman.


The Oline as is won't be the same next year. We will add one or two new guys at a minimum
Some of you guys act like drafting a quarterback  
joeinpa : 10/16/2018 6:10 pm : link
Is the stupidest and riskiest thing a franchise can do.

I read all the time, there are no can t miss prospects, they re all flawed, it ll set the franchise back.

Can t play a quarterback behind this line.

There is no such thing as a "can t Miss prospect".
All players have flaws
You have time to make the line better with a young quarterback.
Drafting the wrong left tackle seems to have set this franchise back.

Barkley is great, but this season would be easier to take if they were doing it with their next quarterback, much like Eli s first season was fun, at least for me.
The only  
King Quis : 10/16/2018 6:21 pm : link
Team the gints have to be concerned about acquiring a QB early in the draft is Oakland with Chucky on the trigger. He’s def gonna get him a QB ... he can’t help it.
RE: RE: RE: The 2003 Giants had  
Danny80 : 10/16/2018 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14131764 Jerry in DC said:
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a terrible line. did not stop them from drafting eli nor should it have.



Plenty of people here wanted Robert Gallery that year, not a QB.



That is true. A lot of people probably dont realize that. BBI was very split on that draft. I think gallery was probably the plurality choice. Lots of "we will have our LT for the next 10 years" comments.

Pretty even split across gallery, Taylor, and big Ben. A few fitz, but not too many. And the trade for manning was not all that well received - many people had him lower than ben, many people did not want a qb.


I admit I was in the Big Ben boat over Eli. I wasn't disappointed with Eli, but it didn't make much sense to me to trade up to get him. I will say though that when the Giants drafted Rivers over Big Ben, I knew that they were making that trade for Eli.

Although Ben has definitely been a better QB throughout his career, I'd take Eli over the course of his career any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He's just a better human being and stand up ambassador for the game. That doesn't translate to wins and losses, but it's easier to root for someone who doesn't have serious character issues.
RE: You want a rookie qb playing behind this oline? That is cruel and  
NYG07 : 10/16/2018 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14131725 SterlingArcher said:
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unusual punishment. After 5 games you will be screaming he's a bust, why did we draft him and not an olineman.


Think before you post. Yeah let's ignore by far the most important position in the sport 2 years in a row with top 5 picks because the O-line looks bad. Jesus...
RE: I wasn't too impressed with Herbert this past weekend  
chopperhatch : 10/16/2018 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14131804 Go Terps said:
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He locks on to his primary receiver a lot, and from what I could see a lot of what he does at Oregon is really different from what we see with the Giants. That would be more palatable to me if I had faith in our current coaching staff to successfully coach and integrate Herbert into a pro system. I don't have that faith in our coaches.

I think if you draft Herbert you're drafting tools. KWALL made the comp the other day to Mahomes, and that may be accurate. Mahomes had the good fortune of going to Andy Reid. Herbert would not have the same level of fortune coming to an offense where, apparently, Odell Beckham runs the show.


I agree with a lot of your post. The thing I question is writing off Shurmur quite yet. I also dont agree with Odell "running the show." I think we are too quick to judge a coach who has had great success in maxing out what he gets from the QBs he's coached.

I almost look at this as a throw away year for Shurmur as a coach because they were so enamored with Barkley. They couldnt justify drafting a qb instead of Barkley at 2 because Barkley is so good as a player and they werent in love with any QB in the last draft. Its differnet this year. For all we know, Shurmur doesnt like Eli as a QB at all and is towing the line. What if Gettleman and Shurmur agreed that Barkley is a once in a decade player, that they could get a comparable QB in '19 to pair with him and that it would be a waste of resources to pay a 1st round pick as well as paying Eli. There was no way to justify sitting a QB making more than 20 million in favor of a rookie so that you have two QBs accounting for 30 million in cap hit when only one is playing.

There is a very good possibility that the conversation btwn DG and PS of "let's draft Saquon, and wait and see what happens with Eli. If he plays like shit, we'll get you the QB next year" has happened. There was no way Eli would be cut in '18 given his 20 mill cap hit. That fact along with Saquon being there is my reasoning for them not taking the QB. We are witnessing exactly why the Giants took Saquon. The top QB in 2019 looks to be as good as any from '18.
RE: speaking of our competition for Herbert  
FStubbs : 10/16/2018 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14131803 Strahan91 said:
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John Gruden gave a very strong endorsement to David Carr today: "He is the strength of this football team. He is on my watch. I said it when I got here, if he doesn't play well, I've failed."

Considering the fact that he holds nothing back in his press conferences and has thrown a lot of guys under the bus, I think he means it. The talk about looking for his replacement in the draft may be overstated.


Jon absolutely means it ... today.
I doubt (from rumblings) that Herbert comes out  
micky : 10/16/2018 7:28 pm : link
Thus, may have to go with a "stop gap" FA QB (maybe a 'journeyman' QB)

I.e. Bridgewater or like
RE: speaking of our competition for Herbert  
bw in dc : 10/16/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14131803 Strahan91 said:
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John Gruden gave a very strong endorsement to David Carr today: "He is the strength of this football team. He is on my watch. I said it when I got here, if he doesn't play well, I've failed."



Not surprised. When Gruden ran his FFCA on ESPN he brought Carr through. I recall very vividly how effusive Gruden was with praise. It was a different level of admiration versus the most of the QBs that came through...

Watch the episode, btw, on youtube on Mahomes. It's just brilliant.
RE: Most likely the Giants are picking no worse than 8th  
M.S. : 10/16/2018 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14131693 EJJ said:
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They can trade back if they feel they are all in on a QB. I say 8th because they could still go on a run with Barkley and Odell. I can't root to loose.


No worse than 8th? Come, come, there's no need for such caution. More likely no worse than 1st!
RE: I doubt (from rumblings) that Herbert comes out  
Tom in NY : 10/16/2018 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14131888 micky said:
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Thus, may have to go with a "stop gap" FA QB (maybe a 'journeyman' QB)

I.e. Bridgewater or like


At this time last year there were rumblings that Darnold was going back to school. It all changes when he gets the definitive feedback that he'll (Herbert) will be a top 5 pick, and potentially #1 overall.
RE: I doubt (from rumblings) that Herbert comes out  
TommyWiseau : 10/16/2018 11:59 pm : link
In comment 14131888 micky said:
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Thus, may have to go with a "stop gap" FA QB (maybe a 'journeyman' QB)

I.e. Bridgewater or like


If he doesn't come out, best to possibly move down to acquire 2020 draft picks to go after Herbert, Tua, Haskins etc.
It wouldn't be a smart move for Herbert to go back to school  
Jay on the Island : 10/17/2018 10:38 am : link
Next year's draft class is much stronger at the qb position. Tua Tagovailoa, Jake Fromm, and possibly Dwayne Haskins are all contenders for the #1 pick.
RE: RE: I doubt (from rumblings) that Herbert comes out  
Jay on the Island : 10/17/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 14132198 TommyWiseau said:
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In comment 14131888 micky said:


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Thus, may have to go with a "stop gap" FA QB (maybe a 'journeyman' QB)

I.e. Bridgewater or like



If he doesn't come out, best to possibly move down to acquire 2020 draft picks to go after Herbert, Tua, Haskins etc.

I completely agree. Sign a stopgap, like RG3 or Bradford to compete with Lauletta for a year and then go after one of the top QB's. Trade up if they have to. Having an extra 2020 1st round pick will certainly help if they need to trade up.
RE: You want a rookie qb playing behind this oline? That is cruel and  
giantstock : 10/18/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 14131725 SterlingArcher said:
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unusual punishment. After 5 games you will be screaming he's a bust, why did we draft him and not an olineman.


Get two good OLinemen in FA then even though they need time to gel they won't be atrocious - at least not for most of the season. SO the 1st 4 games next year don't start the young QB.
The litter will be small  
JonC : 10/18/2018 9:37 am : link
perhaps only 2-3 first round grades on QBs ...
JonC  
hassan : 10/18/2018 11:37 am : link
the litter may be small and the Giants may be in a tough place if they miss out on the top prospect with a pick in the 7-10 range. If they can’t move down do they risk an overdraft?

not to stir the Barkley - qb debate, but some of the flippancy around here regarding use of the #2 pick on a qb and nitpicking the players was outright ridiculous. The very real predicament of being in qb hell may be exacerbated in this draft class.
Missing on Herbert  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 11:40 am : link
may suck if we win a few games, but it does give us an opportunity to find an OT or edge rusher which we desperately need too.
dep  
hassan : 10/18/2018 11:49 am : link
sure that means eli starts again. the media frenzy is intense. it delays the qb development and wastes another two years of getting the future qb up to play with beckham and barkley. means 2021 becomes the year.

May be best to pick the tackle or edge but team may implode as result.
RE: dep  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 14134161 hassan said:
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sure that means eli starts again. the media frenzy is intense. it delays the qb development and wastes another two years of getting the future qb up to play with beckham and barkley. means 2021 becomes the year.

May be best to pick the tackle or edge but team may implode as result.


I am hoping Eli retires and can bring a guy in on the cheap to compete with Lauletta.
RE: JonC  
JonC : 10/18/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14134132 hassan said:
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the litter may be small and the Giants may be in a tough place if they miss out on the top prospect with a pick in the 7-10 range. If they can’t move down do they risk an overdraft?

not to stir the Barkley - qb debate, but some of the flippancy around here regarding use of the #2 pick on a qb and nitpicking the players was outright ridiculous. The very real predicament of being in qb hell may be exacerbated in this draft class.


We saw two dynamics at play ... fans and a regime that clearly wanted to draft Barkley, no matter what (imv). And, those who wanted a QB, no matter what and with no mind of the actual value of the overall draft prospects available.

I'm ok with their choice of SB, though I preferred Darnold. They will find a QB and I believe the 2018 QBs will all prove to be lesser players than SB.

I think it's clear the 2019 season could well lead to a high pick in the 2020 draft. Just have to scout our arses off and find a QB.
JonC  
hassan : 10/18/2018 12:23 pm : link
very well could be, though it could be argued that Darnold is more valuable than Barkley as it stands now. Darnold is pacing a 3900 yard 24 td pace as a rookie and he will get better. Not to say SB is not a tremendous player but there is the reality of positional value. but i’m like you they took the player they saw best.

Just the fact it means waiting until 2020 is the tough part and that seems like a distinct possibility. if the Giants lose another game or two we need to throw lauletta out there and get him ready to improve as if he will start next year.
There is also the shifting belief  
JonC : 10/18/2018 12:39 pm : link
of not necessarily building around the blue chip QB. Find the mobile QB who can extend plays and create more stress on the opposition, etc. No one size fits all.

But, if they continue to grab the top talent they have a conviction for, and stop spending in UFA like a starving grocery shopper, things will turn around. I figured on 2-3 offseasons, we're one year into it ...
As of now, ESPN's FPI predicts  
JonC : 10/18/2018 1:19 pm : link
Giants will pick 4th.
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