Looking at some of these mock drafts there appears to be one positive take away for the 2019 NFL draft. Based on the projected record, the Giants will have their pick in 2019 because unlike 2018 there won't be a log jam for QB's.
No question the argument will be that the 2019 class will not be nearly as good as the 2018 class, but I think as the College season emerges, Giants brass could find that one stud QB that stands out above the rest.
So based on the theory that the Giants would have found the right QB in either the 2018 or 2019 draft, the trade off of having Barkley as your RB for the next 5-8 years is well worth it. The key to all of this is the GM & Coach have to make the right decision and select that can't miss QB next April.
hows that possible? One qb won’t be better than the rest?
I don't see Dallas giving on Dak yet.
Bortles and JAX is interesting but they won't be a high teens or top 10 pick.
Saints acquired Bridgewater and I assume make a big deal to re-sign him.
Other teams, you're right. I wonder about Miami too...but they are winning now.
The 2020 Draft Class will have more competition and there is no telling whether Herbert will be the first QB to go that year if Tua decides to come out. He will be risking injury in a nothing to prove Senior year and will also lose out on money.
As long as we recognize that that take is dumb, scream all you want about it. Taking the QB would still be the right move.
Taking a QB doesn't mean we have to start him right away. It also doesn't preclude us from upgrading our O-Line.
Actually, you'll be the only one screaming that. Just like now and on every thread.
Plenty of people here wanted Robert Gallery that year, not a QB.
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a terrible line. did not stop them from drafting eli nor should it have.
Plenty of people here wanted Robert Gallery that year, not a QB.
That is true. A lot of people probably dont realize that. BBI was very split on that draft. I think gallery was probably the plurality choice. Lots of "we will have our LT for the next 10 years" comments.
Pretty even split across gallery, Taylor, and big Ben. A few fitz, but not too many. And the trade for manning was not all that well received - many people had him lower than ben, many people did not want a qb.
Gives us time to rebuild the line through drafts in both 2019 and 2020, plus FA.
Gotcha I though u meant no cream of the crop
I agree about the class this year not being as DEEP (although I didnt think last year's was particularly deep either) and I think Herbert is more talented than ANYBODY from last year. I dont think he is as polisjed as Baker, but I think he is as polished as Darnold. Herbert is a better prospect than any of the guys from last year if you consider his age and measurables.
I disagree however, in that I cant FATHOM Herbert not coming out. He WILL be the number 1 pick. You cant say the same next year if he doesnt have a good year or gets hurt.
Considering the fact that he holds nothing back in his press conferences and has thrown a lot of guys under the bus, I think he means it. The talk about looking for his replacement in the draft may be overstated.
I think if you draft Herbert you're drafting tools. KWALL made the comp the other day to Mahomes, and that may be accurate. Mahomes had the good fortune of going to Andy Reid. Herbert would not have the same level of fortune coming to an offense where, apparently, Odell Beckham runs the show.
The Oline as is won't be the same next year. We will add one or two new guys at a minimum
I read all the time, there are no can t miss prospects, they re all flawed, it ll set the franchise back.
Can t play a quarterback behind this line.
There is no such thing as a "can t Miss prospect".
All players have flaws
You have time to make the line better with a young quarterback.
Drafting the wrong left tackle seems to have set this franchise back.
Barkley is great, but this season would be easier to take if they were doing it with their next quarterback, much like Eli s first season was fun, at least for me.
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a terrible line. did not stop them from drafting eli nor should it have.
Plenty of people here wanted Robert Gallery that year, not a QB.
That is true. A lot of people probably dont realize that. BBI was very split on that draft. I think gallery was probably the plurality choice. Lots of "we will have our LT for the next 10 years" comments.
Pretty even split across gallery, Taylor, and big Ben. A few fitz, but not too many. And the trade for manning was not all that well received - many people had him lower than ben, many people did not want a qb.
I admit I was in the Big Ben boat over Eli. I wasn't disappointed with Eli, but it didn't make much sense to me to trade up to get him. I will say though that when the Giants drafted Rivers over Big Ben, I knew that they were making that trade for Eli.
Although Ben has definitely been a better QB throughout his career, I'd take Eli over the course of his career any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He's just a better human being and stand up ambassador for the game. That doesn't translate to wins and losses, but it's easier to root for someone who doesn't have serious character issues.
Think before you post. Yeah let's ignore by far the most important position in the sport 2 years in a row with top 5 picks because the O-line looks bad. Jesus...
I think if you draft Herbert you're drafting tools. KWALL made the comp the other day to Mahomes, and that may be accurate. Mahomes had the good fortune of going to Andy Reid. Herbert would not have the same level of fortune coming to an offense where, apparently, Odell Beckham runs the show.
I agree with a lot of your post. The thing I question is writing off Shurmur quite yet. I also dont agree with Odell "running the show." I think we are too quick to judge a coach who has had great success in maxing out what he gets from the QBs he's coached.
I almost look at this as a throw away year for Shurmur as a coach because they were so enamored with Barkley. They couldnt justify drafting a qb instead of Barkley at 2 because Barkley is so good as a player and they werent in love with any QB in the last draft. Its differnet this year. For all we know, Shurmur doesnt like Eli as a QB at all and is towing the line. What if Gettleman and Shurmur agreed that Barkley is a once in a decade player, that they could get a comparable QB in '19 to pair with him and that it would be a waste of resources to pay a 1st round pick as well as paying Eli. There was no way to justify sitting a QB making more than 20 million in favor of a rookie so that you have two QBs accounting for 30 million in cap hit when only one is playing.
There is a very good possibility that the conversation btwn DG and PS of "let's draft Saquon, and wait and see what happens with Eli. If he plays like shit, we'll get you the QB next year" has happened. There was no way Eli would be cut in '18 given his 20 mill cap hit. That fact along with Saquon being there is my reasoning for them not taking the QB. We are witnessing exactly why the Giants took Saquon. The top QB in 2019 looks to be as good as any from '18.
Considering the fact that he holds nothing back in his press conferences and has thrown a lot of guys under the bus, I think he means it. The talk about looking for his replacement in the draft may be overstated.
Jon absolutely means it ... today.
I.e. Bridgewater or like
Not surprised. When Gruden ran his FFCA on ESPN he brought Carr through. I recall very vividly how effusive Gruden was with praise. It was a different level of admiration versus the most of the QBs that came through...
Watch the episode, btw, on youtube on Mahomes. It's just brilliant.
No worse than 8th? Come, come, there's no need for such caution. More likely no worse than 1st!
I.e. Bridgewater or like
At this time last year there were rumblings that Darnold was going back to school. It all changes when he gets the definitive feedback that he'll (Herbert) will be a top 5 pick, and potentially #1 overall.
I.e. Bridgewater or like
If he doesn't come out, best to possibly move down to acquire 2020 draft picks to go after Herbert, Tua, Haskins etc.
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Thus, may have to go with a "stop gap" FA QB (maybe a 'journeyman' QB)
I.e. Bridgewater or like
If he doesn't come out, best to possibly move down to acquire 2020 draft picks to go after Herbert, Tua, Haskins etc.
I completely agree. Sign a stopgap, like RG3 or Bradford to compete with Lauletta for a year and then go after one of the top QB's. Trade up if they have to. Having an extra 2020 1st round pick will certainly help if they need to trade up.
Get two good OLinemen in FA then even though they need time to gel they won't be atrocious - at least not for most of the season. SO the 1st 4 games next year don't start the young QB.
not to stir the Barkley - qb debate, but some of the flippancy around here regarding use of the #2 pick on a qb and nitpicking the players was outright ridiculous. The very real predicament of being in qb hell may be exacerbated in this draft class.
May be best to pick the tackle or edge but team may implode as result.
May be best to pick the tackle or edge but team may implode as result.
I am hoping Eli retires and can bring a guy in on the cheap to compete with Lauletta.
not to stir the Barkley - qb debate, but some of the flippancy around here regarding use of the #2 pick on a qb and nitpicking the players was outright ridiculous. The very real predicament of being in qb hell may be exacerbated in this draft class.
We saw two dynamics at play ... fans and a regime that clearly wanted to draft Barkley, no matter what (imv). And, those who wanted a QB, no matter what and with no mind of the actual value of the overall draft prospects available.
I'm ok with their choice of SB, though I preferred Darnold. They will find a QB and I believe the 2018 QBs will all prove to be lesser players than SB.
I think it's clear the 2019 season could well lead to a high pick in the 2020 draft. Just have to scout our arses off and find a QB.
Just the fact it means waiting until 2020 is the tough part and that seems like a distinct possibility. if the Giants lose another game or two we need to throw lauletta out there and get him ready to improve as if he will start next year.
But, if they continue to grab the top talent they have a conviction for, and stop spending in UFA like a starving grocery shopper, things will turn around. I figured on 2-3 offseasons, we're one year into it ...