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Mobile Marcus: 11 sacks, 19 Hits

Rafflee : 10/17/2018 8:54 am
This isn't a defense of Eli...He can play better, and it's not a call against playing KL. It's information that might change the idea that THE problem for Eli is Mobility....or that He should stand in there to find downfield plays.

Holding the ball longer, with a bad o-line, leads to a QB NOT STANDING....and 11 sacks with 19 hits is a reason for releasing the ball in 1.5-2 seconds. If someone is not stressing that to Marriota in film sessions, then they have it all wrong. Eli is aware of the rush...yes, even when it's not there, because that's a great exception.

It's tough to determine whather He is good enough (anymore) to keep around for a more completed re-build, given the fact that he doesn't have time to play the position and run the offense.



Titans OLine isnt as bad as ours  
dep026 : 10/17/2018 8:56 am : link
Marcus Mariotta, OTOH, as a very strong case for being the worst starting QB in the league (if we dont count rookies). He has been injured and banged up - but he just has a hard time reading defenses - always has, always will.
Unlike Eli  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/17/2018 8:56 am : link
Marriota has a decent line.
he was god like at Oregon  
Tom from LI : 10/17/2018 9:09 am : link
that is what worries me about Herbert.
It sucks that chip kelly  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/17/2018 9:11 am : link
Couldn’t trade up and drafted Marietta for the Eagles. That would have been fantastic.
Eli during his very best season is 100% not suited  
Motley Two : 10/17/2018 9:13 am : link
for the WCO styled system he has been playing in. It suits very few of his strengths and forces him into playing with his weaker attributes.

Compound that with the lackluster Oline of the past few years, the coaches really have had no choice but to play WCO/3 step/1 read or checkdown.

2.5 Seconds is about the max, after that disaster.
RE: he was god like at Oregon  
Jay on the Island : 10/17/2018 9:14 am : link
In comment 14132378 Tom from LI said:
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that is what worries me about Herbert.

He played very well in the NFL during his first two seasons but he is constantly injured and it has affected his play. The main concern with him coming out was his ability to stay healthy.
I really don't get the point being  
joeinpa : 10/17/2018 9:24 am : link
Made here.

How is a quarterback who has the ability to pass from the pocket, and also the mobility to extend plays, not a good thing.

Wentz looks pretty good, so does Mahomes.

With better escapability there have probably been plays Eli could have made that he has not.

I don t see the issue here.
It cracks me up that the myth on BBI that  
JCin332 : 10/17/2018 9:41 am : link
Eli needs a good OL but "a mobile QB would not and could win with this one" that has become "fact" is so laughable...
RE: he was god like at Oregon  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/17/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 14132378 Tom from LI said:
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that is what worries me about Herbert.


Other than both playing at Oregon, what connection do you make between the two that has you worried?
Marcus was brutal on Sunday  
jlukes : 10/17/2018 9:56 am : link
at least half of those sacks where because of his own mis-reads and stubbornness
RE: he was god like at Oregon  
jlukes : 10/17/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 14132378 Tom from LI said:
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that is what worries me about Herbert.


By that logic, you would have past on Aaron Rodgers
Isn’t there a difference between a mobile QB  
BillT : 10/17/2018 10:02 am : link
Who extends plays here and there because his WRs are covered or his protection breaks down and a QB consistently having to pass or run for his life because his OL can’t give him more than 2 seconds to pass. Thinking a mobile QB would be some big improvement behind this line is nonsense. Also, the bad OL blows up the running game putting the QB in bad down and distances and a mobile QB does nothing for that. With a bad OL, no offense works and no QB, no matter how mobile, solves that.
Are we going to start a thread everytime  
chuckydee9 : 10/17/2018 10:02 am : link
another QB is pressured in a game and doesn't perform? I mean 2 weeks ago people were on Russell Wilson.. this week its Mariota... Guess what may be we should look at a larger sample size than just 1 game.. Wilson over the past 2-3 years has had similar OL to Eli.. one has accounted for 37 TDs in 2017 despite having a bad OL and the other was hoping giants don't draft a QB with the second pick..

Every week there are plays under pressure I see other QBs make that Eli hasn't made in 5 years.. should we start threads on that?
Another classic myth on here is that Seattle OL is as bad as the Giant  
JCin332 : 10/17/2018 10:06 am : link
...pure poppy cock...

RE: Another classic myth on here is that Seattle OL is as bad as the Giant  
chuckydee9 : 10/17/2018 10:07 am : link
In comment 14132489 JCin332 said:
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...pure poppy cock...


That isn't a myth.. even SY56 in his reviews has mentioned quite a few times over the past several years that Seattle OL is as bad as ours.. and if you watched their games you would know..
RE: RE: he was god like at Oregon  
dep026 : 10/17/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 14132446 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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In comment 14132378 Tom from LI said:


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that is what worries me about Herbert.



Other than both playing at Oregon, what connection do you make between the two that has you worried?


They are very handsome.


-BrettNYG10
RE: RE: Another classic myth on here is that Seattle OL is as bad as the Giant  
dep026 : 10/17/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 14132492 chuckydee9 said:
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In comment 14132489 JCin332 said:


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...pure poppy cock...




That isn't a myth.. even SY56 in his reviews has mentioned quite a few times over the past several years that Seattle OL is as bad as ours.. and if you watched their games you would know..


Seattles OL has dominated the last 4 games. So.... huh?
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arcarsenal : 10/17/2018 10:16 am : link
Another useless, binary BBI thread.

Why does every subject here have to be black and white? Why does thinking a QB with the ability to buy a little extra time in the pocket is a benefit mean that mobility is the be-all-end-all?

This shit serves no purpose. Mobility isn't the only answer - but it sure helps if your QB isn't a statue.

Marcus Mariota just isn't that good and the Ravens feasted on the Tennessee line. It's really as simple as that.
RE: RE: RE: Another classic myth on here is that Seattle OL is as bad as the Giant  
chuckydee9 : 10/17/2018 10:19 am : link
In comment 14132505 dep026 said:
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In comment 14132492 chuckydee9 said:


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In comment 14132489 JCin332 said:


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...pure poppy cock...




That isn't a myth.. even SY56 in his reviews has mentioned quite a few times over the past several years that Seattle OL is as bad as ours.. and if you watched their games you would know..



Seattles OL has dominated the last 4 games. So.... huh?


yes.. so what did those 4 games help him get 37 TDs in 2017?
Here is a comparison of the Giants and Seahawks Rushing Offense  
JCin332 : 10/17/2018 10:33 am : link
rankings from 2013 through 2018 so far:

Rushing Offense Rankings (From Pro Football Reference):

2018- NYG #25 Seattle #7
2017- NYG #26 Seattle #23
2016- NYG #29 Seattle #25
2015- NYG #18 Seattle #3
2014- NYG #23 Seattle #1
2013- NYG #29 Seattle #9

So the data shows 2016 and 2017 close but NYG worse...rest of those years not even close...
RE: Here is a comparison of the Giants and Seahawks Rushing Offense  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/17/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 14132548 JCin332 said:
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rankings from 2013 through 2018 so far:

Rushing Offense Rankings (From Pro Football Reference):

2018- NYG #25 Seattle #7
2017- NYG #26 Seattle #23
2016- NYG #29 Seattle #25
2015- NYG #18 Seattle #3
2014- NYG #23 Seattle #1
2013- NYG #29 Seattle #9

So the data shows 2016 and 2017 close but NYG worse...rest of those years not even close...

To say Seattle oline is as bad as us is false. Its better, at least in run blicking.

Pass blocking maybe just as bad, with Wilson getting chased around sacked 6 times a game.
RE: Isn’t there a difference between a mobile QB  
Dinger : 10/17/2018 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14132481 BillT said:
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Who extends plays here and there because his WRs are covered or his protection breaks down and a QB consistently having to pass or run for his life because his OL can’t give him more than 2 seconds to pass. Thinking a mobile QB would be some big improvement behind this line is nonsense. Also, the bad OL blows up the running game putting the QB in bad down and distances and a mobile QB does nothing for that. With a bad OL, no offense works and no QB, no matter how mobile, solves that.


No Bill, you're wrong! A mobile QB automatically at 1.5 or 2 seconds gets Odell out of double or triple coverage and would never check down to Barkley ten yards short of the 1st. Also, a mobile QB never has a pass deflected or bounce off a receivers hands for an int. And lastly a Mobile QB would instantly make our defense better. If we only took Darnold we'd lead the league in sacks, interceptions and 3rd down stops. Not to mention if we had Mayfield, Rosen, Allen, Carr, etc. the defense would have stopped Carolina on that last drive.....

Sorry Bill, but as much as I agree with EVERYTHING you stated, I am now going to see how the other half lives....
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