Fantasy Football Discussion OCT 17

In comment 14132501 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14132493 UConn4523 said: Quote: so this week I’ll be streaming Indy. I’ll just keep doing that until I find something that sticks. Baltimore has a brutal schedule of offenses the rest of the season other than home vs the Raiders. I dropped BAL too and started CHI this week. Turned out to be a mistake. I hate having a D and a K. I know luck plays more a part in fantasy football than most people want to admit, but D and Kickers are really random.

I thankfully kept Baltimore this past week but they are pretty much a no start the rest of the year outside of Oakland.

I like defenses. There’s enough strategy to it where it still makes sense to me. But kickers I loathe. No position has more luck attached to it and it just swings too many matchups.

In comment 14132476 dep026 said:

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Have Tennessee as defense. They have a week 8 bye. Need to stream a defense for like 3 weeks. Denver - Arizona, KC, Houston Colts - Buffalo, Oakland, Bye Buffalo - Colts, NE, Bears Redskins - Dallas, NYG, Atlanta Dolphins - Detroit, Houston, Jets Browns - TB, Pitt, KC Cowboys - Washington, Bye, tennesee Those are the opponents. Dallas and Denver are tough to add since they have tough competition or a bye the same week as Tennessee.

I think it's the Dolphins pretty easily. All the others either have a bye or a really bad matchup over those three weeks.

What do you guys think of this deal?

Cam, Conner and Bell
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Melvin Gordon and Bortles

I guess it depends on how the Pittsburgh backfield shakes out. If Bell gets traded or never suits up (even if he does report that's a distinct possibility), I think the Cam/Conner side wins pretty handily. But if Conner and Bell end up in a timeshare I'd probably rather have the Gordon side. The guy trading for Cam is sick of Bortles inconsistency and has no other real starting options. The guy trading for Gordon has Luck so feels like he can afford to lose Cam.

Thoughts? I'm not really sure who's winning here so curious how others feel.

It's a standard redraft league if that makes any difference.

Rivers vs Tenn (in London)
Luck vs Bills

Leaning Luck but can't justify sitting Rivers.

In comment 14132544 JoeMoney19 said:

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What do you guys think of this deal? Cam, Conner and Bell for Melvin Gordon and Bortles I guess it depends on how the Pittsburgh backfield shakes out. If Bell gets traded or never suits up (even if he does report that's a distinct possibility), I think the Cam/Conner side wins pretty handily. But if Conner and Bell end up in a timeshare I'd probably rather have the Gordon side. The guy trading for Cam is sick of Bortles inconsistency and has no other real starting options. The guy trading for Gordon has Luck so feels like he can afford to lose Cam. Thoughts? I'm not really sure who's winning here so curious how others feel. It's a standard redraft league if that makes any difference.

Who is the QB of the guy who gets Gordon.

Bortles is droppable, so it's really Gordon for Cam and Conner/Bell.

And IMO it would depend on who the guy getting Bortles has at QB.

The season Melvin Gordon is having IMO makes him the best player in the trade and if that guy has a top QB I wouldn't see the point in this.

In comment 14132544 JoeMoney19 said:

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What do you guys think of this deal? Cam, Conner and Bell for Melvin Gordon and Bortles I guess it depends on how the Pittsburgh backfield shakes out. If Bell gets traded or never suits up (even if he does report that's a distinct possibility), I think the Cam/Conner side wins pretty handily. But if Conner and Bell end up in a timeshare I'd probably rather have the Gordon side. The guy trading for Cam is sick of Bortles inconsistency and has no other real starting options. The guy trading for Gordon has Luck so feels like he can afford to lose Cam. Thoughts? I'm not really sure who's winning here so curious how others feel. It's a standard redraft league if that makes any difference.

In a vacuum, I think the Cam side wins by a lot. Even with the Luck info, the Cam side wins though I definitely see where the Conner/Bell situation could be a pain and Gordon is damn good this year.

Bortles shouldn't even be in the trade, that guy is going to drop him anyway since Luck and Bortles have the same bye.

Yea, the guy giving Cam and getting Gordon has Luck so wouldn't even use Bortles. I assume the guy going after Cam included Bortles without realizing they have the same bye but the guy getting Gordon didn't care.

So basically the guy thinks Luck makes Cam expendable at the expense of getting Gordon for Conner and Bell.

Just seemed like an interesting deal to me. I'm not sure if it's an overpay or bargain for Gordon given the Pittsburgh backfield situation.

standard flex:

Alex Collins vs NO
Mark Ingram @BAL
TY Hilton vs BUF
Corey Clement vs CAR

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Luck vs BUF
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Stafford @MIA


right now leaning Collins and Luck, but not confidently.

Also trying to trade Collins for a TE.

In comment 14132564 JoeMoney19 said:

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Yea, the guy giving Cam and getting Gordon has Luck so wouldn't even use Bortles. I assume the guy going after Cam included Bortles without realizing they have the same bye but the guy getting Gordon didn't care. So basically the guy thinks Luck makes Cam expendable at the expense of getting Gordon for Conner and Bell. Just seemed like an interesting deal to me. I'm not sure if it's an overpay or bargain for Gordon given the Pittsburgh backfield situation.

It's an overpay, but I can definitely see the side of the guy trying to get Gordon.

In comment 14132575 pjcas18 said:

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standard flex: Alex Collins vs NO Mark Ingram @BAL TY Hilton vs BUF Corey Clement vs CAR and Luck vs BUF or Stafford @MIA right now leaning Collins and Luck, but not confidently. Also trying to trade Collins for a TE.

I'd lean Ingram over Collins, and Luck over Stafford.

of the following lineup decisions in a standard league with 0.5 PPR.

1) QB
-Goff @ SF
-Cam @ PHI
-Rivers vs Ten in London

2) RB
-Breida vs LAR
-Thompson vs DSal
-Collins vs NO

Also would you drop Jordan Reed for Austin Hooper? Thinking not yet but was just wondering.

In comment 14132474 UConn4523 said:

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I had the #2 claim and chose Ito Smith over Wilson. Strangely, Wilson went unclaimed but I don’t have a roster spot to grab him.

Same thing in my league. I rated Gabriel over Wilson, and got him. But Wilson is still out there. The only way I can add him is if I cut loose Dalton or Lockett.

In comment 14132575 pjcas18 said:

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standard flex: Alex Collins vs NO Mark Ingram @BAL TY Hilton vs BUF Corey Clement vs CAR and Luck vs BUF or Stafford @MIA right now leaning Collins and Luck, but not confidently. Also trying to trade Collins for a TE.

I'd definitely go RB, especially in standard, given Hilton's status. Even if he suits up who knows if he'll be 100% and he'd be a reinjury risk.

That's a tough group of RBs to choose from but I'd go Clement. I think he's the better back in Philadelphia, is now over his quad issues and will own the majority of the timeshare with Smallwood. For the other guys, I think that game script favors Ingram and hurts Collins with Baltimore likely playing from behind New Orleans for much of the game, but I think New Orleans will have to do it mostly through the air given Baltimore's stout run defense. I expect a big Kamara game and underwhelming Ingram game.

Luck over Stafford. Both teams are pretty tough defenses for QBs so I'd go with Luck's volume advantage.

is that NO is on the road, out of the dome, and Brees is not usually the same player outside the dome (as we saw in NY).

So, maybe that means BAL is not playing from behind or maybe it means more Ingram.

I like Clement too. I have a bunch of RB2/RB3's on this team after Barkley and McCaffrey.

I should trade a RB for a WR.

And my TE stinks (Reed).

I get Hopkins and Lynch. I give Fuller, Lindsey and Ito Smith. My alter is below.

1 QB - Brees, Goff
2 RB - David Johnson, Breida, Ingram, Michel, Lindsey, Kerryon Johnson, Ito Smith
2 WR - Green, Hill, Fuller, Godwin
TE - Ertz

My roster is currently full so this trade would free up a spot for me to add a TE on Ertz BYE without having to drop someone and lose him to a waiver claim.

I’m probably going to pull the trigger, thoughts?

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In comment 14132732 UConn4523 said:

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I get Hopkins and Lynch. I give Fuller, Lindsey and Ito Smith. My alter is below. 1 QB - Brees, Goff 2 RB - David Johnson, Breida, Ingram, Michel, Lindsey, Kerryon Johnson, Ito Smith 2 WR - Green, Hill, Fuller, Godwin TE - Ertz My roster is currently full so this trade would free up a spot for me to add a TE on Ertz BYE without having to drop someone and lose him to a waiver claim. I’m probably going to pull the trigger, thoughts?

Don't wait a second longer to accept. Even if Lynch's groin ends up being an issue Hopkins alone is worth those three players easily. Then you'd be able to use one of Green, Hill or Hopkins as the anchor for a trade for the elite RB you need.

In comment 14132732 UConn4523 said:

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I get Hopkins and Lynch. I give Fuller, Lindsey and Ito Smith. My alter is below. 1 QB - Brees, Goff 2 RB - David Johnson, Breida, Ingram, Michel, Lindsey, Kerryon Johnson, Ito Smith 2 WR - Green, Hill, Fuller, Godwin TE - Ertz My roster is currently full so this trade would free up a spot for me to add a TE on Ertz BYE without having to drop someone and lose him to a waiver claim. I’m probably going to pull the trigger, thoughts?

I'd probably do that trade, but Lynch has a groin issue and Gruden said it could be weeks (or IR). Or short-term, but sounded like many felt it was a bigger deal than a little one.

with Chester Rogers but don’t want to make a counter which makes I’m second guess...

Johnson, Ingram, or Breida so I kind of want him out of the deal entirely.

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Anyone know when the stat corrections come out because if they are still pending I can still win?

In comment 14132888 wgenesis123 said:

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Anyone know when the stat corrections come out because if they are still pending I can still win?

Thursday.

Kerryon Johnson at Miami
TJ Yeldon vs Houston
Ito Smith vs NYG
Royce Freeman @ Arizona
Austin Ekeler vs. tennesee

In comment 14132758 UConn4523 said:

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with Chester Rogers but don’t want to make a counter which makes I’m second guess...

Just accept as is and don't give him a chance to change his mind. You're getting first round value for guys picked up off the waiver wire.

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...or Brees at Baltimore (in Maryland)?

I'd do it for just hopkins. You have the RB depth, Lynch wouldn't even be a starter. No brainer for me.

In comment 14132927 Milton said:

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...or Brees at Baltimore (in Maryland)?

Yes, Baltimore is in Maryland.

In comment 14132893 dep026 said:

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Kerryon Johnson at Miami TJ Yeldon vs Houston Ito Smith vs NYG Royce Freeman @ Arizona Austin Ekeler vs. tennesee

If he's healthy, I'd Kerryon, my wayward son.

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In comment 14132927 Milton said: Quote: ...or Brees at Baltimore (in Maryland)? Yes, Baltimore is in Maryland.

For the time being, sure. But there's talk of a trade to Virginia or one of the Carolinas.

Howard vs NE
Cole vs Jax
A.Wilson vs Det

Or should I pick up Chester Rogers vs Buf

You have a good team. Unless you are getting Gurley back, don't do anything. He can want Mixon all he wants but you will do nothing but weaken his team. You have very good QBs, you have 3 very good receivers. You could upgrade TE and I would do so, but not at the cost of Mixon. You might be able to get Evan Engram on the cheap, or take a flyer on O.J. Howard if he is available. Do not trade away from your thinnest position, my man.

Just tell him you'll do Mixon for Gurley and when he says "no", just tell him, "oh well, that's my price" and move on.

In comment 14132451 Heisenberg said:

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I like Golladay there. Njoku got 12 targets last week, roll with him.

Alex Collins and James Conner for AJ Green.

Guy is starting TJ Yeldon and Tarik Cohen at RB with not much on his bench (Frank Gore)

Need some opinions at a few positions this week.

First off at QB I have Brees. Shouldn’t be worried about Brees but he is on the road and against a decent Baltimore defense. I think Baltimore really hasn’t faced a QB like Brees yet though. Other options could be Dalton VS the Chiefs or Winston VS the Browns

Second spot of concern is the Bears defense against the Patriots. Mack has an ankle injury that could be an issue. Top options available are the Broncos VS the Cardinals, The Colts VS the Bills and the Texans VS the Jags

Thanks in advance for any advice / opinions

In comment 14132406 superspynyg said:

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Drake vs Det Freeman vs Arz Ito Smith vs NYG I am already starting Sanu and Hooper due to bye weeks. I have Connor, AB, Baldwin, and Graham on byes. Its gonna be a long weekend for me.

Drake. He's the best player of the three and a favorable matchup vs Detroit, who gives up the 4th most fantasy points to RBs.

In comment 14132476 dep026 said:

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Have Tennessee as defense. They have a week 8 bye. Need to stream a defense for like 3 weeks. Denver - Arizona, KC, Houston Colts - Buffalo, Oakland, Bye Buffalo - Colts, NE, Bears Redskins - Dallas, NYG, Atlanta Dolphins - Detroit, Houston, Jets Browns - TB, Pitt, KC Cowboys - Washington, Bye, tennesee Those are the opponents. Dallas and Denver are tough to add since they have tough competition or a bye the same week as Tennessee.

Denver this week, then pick up the Redskins, and then the Cowboys. Just try to shuffle through them every week.

If you don't want to do that then Miami.

In comment 14132544 JoeMoney19 said:

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What do you guys think of this deal? Cam, Conner and Bell for Melvin Gordon and Bortles I guess it depends on how the Pittsburgh backfield shakes out. If Bell gets traded or never suits up (even if he does report that's a distinct possibility), I think the Cam/Conner side wins pretty handily. But if Conner and Bell end up in a timeshare I'd probably rather have the Gordon side. The guy trading for Cam is sick of Bortles inconsistency and has no other real starting options. The guy trading for Gordon has Luck so feels like he can afford to lose Cam. Thoughts? I'm not really sure who's winning here so curious how others feel. It's a standard redraft league if that makes any difference.

I'd be happy to take Melvin Gordon assuming you have another QB better than Bortles on your roster. Gordon has just been so bankable every week and you can rid your hands of the soap opera.

In comment 14132546 Giants in 07 said:

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Rivers vs Tenn (in London) Luck vs Bills Leaning Luck but can't justify sitting Rivers.

Buffalo's defense has been so good recently I'd have to play Rivers.

In comment 14132575 pjcas18 said:

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standard flex: Alex Collins vs NO Mark Ingram @BAL TY Hilton vs BUF Corey Clement vs CAR and Luck vs BUF or Stafford @MIA right now leaning Collins and Luck, but not confidently. Also trying to trade Collins for a TE.

It's a terrible matchup but I'd have to start Mark Ingram given the choices.

As for QB, Stafford by a lot. I can't trust Luck vs the Bills.

In comment 14132615 kash94 said:

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of the following lineup decisions in a standard league with 0.5 PPR. 1) QB -Goff @ SF -Cam @ PHI -Rivers vs Ten in London 2) RB -Breida vs LAR -Thompson vs DSal -Collins vs NO Also would you drop Jordan Reed for Austin Hooper? Thinking not yet but was just wondering.

Goff, Breida, and no.

In comment 14132732 UConn4523 said:

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I get Hopkins and Lynch. I give Fuller, Lindsey and Ito Smith. My alter is below. 1 QB - Brees, Goff 2 RB - David Johnson, Breida, Ingram, Michel, Lindsey, Kerryon Johnson, Ito Smith 2 WR - Green, Hill, Fuller, Godwin TE - Ertz My roster is currently full so this trade would free up a spot for me to add a TE on Ertz BYE without having to drop someone and lose him to a waiver claim. I’m probably going to pull the trigger, thoughts?

Run to the accept button.

In comment 14132893 dep026 said:

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Kerryon Johnson at Miami TJ Yeldon vs Houston Ito Smith vs NYG Royce Freeman @ Arizona Austin Ekeler vs. tennesee

If Fournette plays, Kerryon, if not, Yeldon.

In comment 14133050 Miami_JintsFan said:

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Howard vs NE Cole vs Jax A.Wilson vs Det Or should I pick up Chester Rogers vs Buf

I'm playing Wilson and my advice would be that you do as well.

In comment 14133092 pjcas18 said:

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Alex Collins and James Conner for AJ Green. Guy is starting TJ Yeldon and Tarik Cohen at RB with not much on his bench (Frank Gore)

If I'm getting A.J. Green, yes. But you have to have playable RBs.

In comment 14133104 OBJRoyal said:

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Need some opinions at a few positions this week. First off at QB I have Brees. Shouldn’t be worried about Brees but he is on the road and against a decent Baltimore defense. I think Baltimore really hasn’t faced a QB like Brees yet though. Other options could be Dalton VS the Chiefs or Winston VS the Browns Second spot of concern is the Bears defense against the Patriots. Mack has an ankle injury that could be an issue. Top options available are the Broncos VS the Cardinals, The Colts VS the Bills and the Texans VS the Jags Thanks in advance for any advice / opinions

Trust your studs. Brees should stay in your lineup.

As for defense, I actually think that Chicago has a chance for some fantasy points this week...get in Brady's pocket a little. But if you can add Denver and play against the Cards on the short week, I think that's the direction I'd go. Don't drop anyone good to make that happen, though.

In comment 14133104 OBJRoyal said:

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Need some opinions at a few positions this week. First off at QB I have Brees. Shouldn’t be worried about Brees but he is on the road and against a decent Baltimore defense. I think Baltimore really hasn’t faced a QB like Brees yet though. Other options could be Dalton VS the Chiefs or Winston VS the Browns

Dalton had a good game vs Ravens (4TDs), Roethlisberger did not. And speaking of Dalton, he does have a great matchup against KC. Hard not to go with Dalton, but it's also hard to keep Brees on the bench no matter who he's facing. I'm in the same situation with Brees and Rivers this weekend.

Collins and Conner for AJ Green with:

McCaffrey and Conner
for
AJ Green and Corey Davis

I won't accept that, but I'd counter it.

Would you do this:

Collins and TY Hilton
for
AJ Green and Corey Davis

My team is:

QB: Luck, Stafford
RB: Barkley, McCaffrey, Ingram, Conner, Collins, Clement
WR: Evans, Hilton, Landry, Coutee
TE: Reed

I haven't started Hilton in a few weeks obviously.

In comment 14133136 Milton said:

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In comment 14133104 OBJRoyal said: Quote: Need some opinions at a few positions this week. First off at QB I have Brees. Shouldn’t be worried about Brees but he is on the road and against a decent Baltimore defense. I think Baltimore really hasn’t faced a QB like Brees yet though. Other options could be Dalton VS the Chiefs or Winston VS the Browns Dalton had a good game vs Ravens (4TDs), Roethlisberger did not. And speaking of Dalton, he does have a great matchup against KC. Hard not to go with Dalton, but it's also hard to keep Brees on the bench no matter who he's facing. I'm in the same situation with Brees and Rivers this weekend.

Very hard to sit Brees, especially coming off the bye week. Brees and SP with two weeks to prepare. I will most likely stick with him

Corey Davis?

In comment 14132897 Milton said:

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In comment 14132758 UConn4523 said: Quote: with Chester Rogers but don’t want to make a counter which makes I’m second guess... Just accept as is and don't give him a chance to change his mind. You're getting first round value for guys picked up off the waiver wire.

I accepted and boy is my league pissed, haha

In comment 14132927 Milton said:

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...or Brees at Baltimore (in Maryland)?

That’s Rivers making a super long trip as well, not just across the country. I’d go Bress out of those two

In comment 14133193 YAJ2112 said:

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Corey Davis?

I don't, but I want AJ Green, and I hate Collins (irrationally or not) and Hilton is unreliable.

In comment 14133196 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14132897 Milton said: Quote: In comment 14132758 UConn4523 said: Quote: with Chester Rogers but don’t want to make a counter which makes I’m second guess... Just accept as is and don't give him a chance to change his mind. You're getting first round value for guys picked up off the waiver wire. I accepted and boy is my league pissed, haha

Last year I had a guy offer me Le'Veon Bell for Roethlisberger straight up, but he cancelled the offer before I had a chance to accept it.

because I have a great bench. They don’t like that I’m trading away players I’m not starting (which isn’t fully true since I’ve used Lindsey for a few weeks).

I’d be pissed about the trade too but I wouldn’t veto.

In comment 14133347 UConn4523 said:

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because I have a great bench. They don’t like that I’m trading away players I’m not starting (which isn’t fully true since I’ve used Lindsey for a few weeks). I’d be pissed about the trade too but I wouldn’t veto.

What's wrong with trading away players you're not starting? That's the goal as far as I'm concerned. It's not as if you initiated the trade. If that were the case, perhaps you could be accused of taking advantage of an idiot. But if the idiot is the one who makes the offer, then it's just tough luck on the rest of the league.

There's a guy in my 12-team league who is 0-6 and has already checked out, but he still has valuable assets like Mahomes and Bell. I think it's poor sportsmanship to take advantage of someone who has checked out, but I worry someone else in the league will do just that.

Mayfield @KC
Trubisky v. NE
Manning @ATL

Also, who do you like between Dalton and Winston????

Need your wise opinions, my brothers!!! Thanks!

In comment 14133347 UConn4523 said:

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because I have a great bench. They don’t like that I’m trading away players I’m not starting (which isn’t fully true since I’ve used Lindsey for a few weeks). I’d be pissed about the trade too but I wouldn’t veto.

This is bullshit, my friend!!!! The whole point of fantasy trades is one guy is deep at a position and thin at another, while the trade partner is usually vice versa, so you each benefit. You want to trade players who are on your bench. Personally I believe vetoing trades should only happen when there is blatant collusion, for instance one guy is out of the running and the other guy pays him to make a blatantly one-sided trade (like Keenum for Rodgers for instance). It seems some people have lost touch with what the purpose of the veto originally was meant for!!!!

Back in the day I remember a guy was in last place around mid-season the and ended up trading Brady for Reggie Bush and it turned out his trade partner had agreed to give him a portion of his winnings. Now THAT is what a veto is for. I think Bush had one good game and he had a decent QB on the bench so He tried to play it off like he was doing it on the off chance that Bush would have another big day or that he was “turning a corner” and finally living up to high expectations . I’m pretty sure this was in 2007 because it was so freakin obvious with the year that Brady was having that no one in their right minds would do this.

The veto should be reserved for situations like this, but If your trade partners believe their team is benefiting from the trade then there is no reason for a veto to occur.