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Thoughts on Jon Gruden's return so far?

BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/17/2018 11:17 am
Is he just cleaning house to clean house, or is it warranted?

Letting Mack go was certainly a big mistake.

Were the Raiders that bad, that they had to clean house?

Looks like the fans can't wait to get rid of him already.

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The roster is a complete  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/17/2018 11:20 am : link
There last few draft classes have been a complete disaster. He’s gonna need to get rid of McKenzie and get a GM that he likes and can work with. That whole roster needs to be gutted.
Never understood the fascination with the guy  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/17/2018 11:21 am : link
He is a self-genuflecting coach who won a Superbowl over a team that he knew intimately in terms of its strengths and weaknesses. The fact that they have given him the keys to the mansion is crazy.
I expected it to be bad, but not THIS bad.  
bceagle05 : 10/17/2018 11:21 am : link
What an egomaniac he is. Plenty of young talent to build around, but he clearly wants full credit for building a team entirely of guys he brought in. I think Carr is a dark horse candidate to be Eli's successor - he's not long for Oakland, and change of scenery may revive his career.
He decided to tear it apart  
JonC : 10/17/2018 11:22 am : link
and apparently Davis agrees. Thus, the long road begins.
I shouldn't say "plenty of young talent"  
bceagle05 : 10/17/2018 11:22 am : link
but Mack and Cooper are building blocks, and Carr could be. I think all three will be gone by the start of next season.
I haven't followed too closely  
ron mexico : 10/17/2018 11:23 am : link
But I wonder if he is tanking for the remainder years in oakland to rebuild in Vegas?
It's been a disaster  
Jay on the Island : 10/17/2018 11:24 am : link
He traded away Mack and now he is reportedly trying to trade Amari Cooper as well. The game has changed a lot since he coached but he didn't adjust and followed the same formula of bringing in veterans at the end of their career hoping to resurrect them like he once did. This time it blew up in his face. Derrick Johnson was just released. Releasing Mario Edwards was a poor move also.
They're trying to trade Cooper  
JonC : 10/17/2018 11:26 am : link
.
I don't care how big a rebuild you have  
jcn56 : 10/17/2018 11:27 am : link
trading Khalil Mack just signals you don't want to win football games, and probably not any time soon.

Unlike OBJ - whose position dictates otherwise - he's perfectly capable of changing an entire game by himself.
RE: I expected it to be bad, but not THIS bad.  
giants#1 : 10/17/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 14132645 bceagle05 said:
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What an egomaniac he is. Plenty of young talent to build around, but he clearly wants full credit for building a team entirely of guys he brought in. I think Carr is a dark horse candidate to be Eli's successor - he's not long for Oakland, and change of scenery may revive his career.


I hope not. I think Carr's better than he's showed this year, but paying him $20M per for the next 4 years plus giving up a pick for him (someone will be willing to trade for him).
RE: Never understood the fascination with the guy  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/17/2018 11:44 am : link
In comment 14132642 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
Quote:
He is a self-genuflecting coach who won a Superbowl over a team that he knew intimately in terms of its strengths and weaknesses. The fact that they have given him the keys to the mansion is crazy.

He won one SB with a team stacked with HoF'ers.

Coughlin and Eli only had Strahan for one SB.
He sucks,  
NoPeanutz : 10/17/2018 12:08 pm : link
He was hired by the marketing department.
He is doing as well as the Giants new HC  
ZogZerg : 10/17/2018 12:14 pm : link
...
It's not like  
Metnut : 10/17/2018 12:14 pm : link
he inherited a great team. The roster was very overrated. Getting into a rebuild seems like the way to go.
A disaster which  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2018 12:16 pm : link
pretty much a lot of people predicted.
Happy  
Thegratefulhead : 10/17/2018 12:20 pm : link
The Giants didn't sign him
Seems like it's going well  
arniefez : 10/17/2018 12:31 pm : link
to me.
RE: He decided to tear it apart  
BillT : 10/17/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14132648 JonC said:
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and apparently Davis agrees. Thus, the long road begins.

Davis has to agree he gave him $100m.
Letting Mack go  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2018 12:40 pm : link
You can’t judge that now.

He avoided the huge contract on what is one of the worst teams in the league. And he picked up valuable picks.

He has 2 firsts for Mack and he can sign a FA next offseason with that $140 million Mack got.

How is that “certainly a mistake”?

Would have been nice if Giants pulled off that move for Backham.
I also don't think Mack was a mistake  
Banks : 10/17/2018 12:54 pm : link
Gruden got a good return and that contract likely hampers the team a bit. I still think his run has been bad thus far. The talent isn't great, but they are better than 1-5. Carr is talented, but he looks like crap. They need some playmakers and an aging Jordy Nelson and a never was Matavis Bryant won't cut it. Doesn't help that this is the second year Cooper has looked like shit.
Tough to judge as we don't know the end result..  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 10/17/2018 5:49 pm : link
But he seems like a disaster. They were building a solid team with Jack Del Rio and company
Jordy Nelson  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2018 5:50 pm : link
Has been a bright spot for them. He can still play.
About the same as Gettlemen’s return  
Vanzetti : 10/17/2018 7:09 pm : link
Too soon to tell for sure but early returns don’t look good
He's obviously tanking  
DonQuixote : 10/17/2018 10:57 pm : link
using short term vet contracts and accumulating draft picks.

It looks like madness trading Mack but is too early to tell. If they look like the Astros in a few years, I suppose he could be vindicated. But to do this you have to draft well, and I am not seeing that.
RE: Letting Mack go  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2018 7:16 am : link
In comment 14132840 KWALL2 said:
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You can’t judge that now.

He avoided the huge contract on what is one of the worst teams in the league. And he picked up valuable picks.

He has 2 firsts for Mack and he can sign a FA next offseason with that $140 million Mack got.

How is that “certainly a mistake”?

Would have been nice if Giants pulled off that move for Backham.

Then they could use those picks on any number of shitty WRs with great triangle numbers that you've loved over the years. Great idea!
As awful and overrated as many of us  
Big Blue '56 : 10/18/2018 7:24 am : link
thought he would be
He just signed a 10 year 100M  
pjcas18 : 10/18/2018 7:58 am : link
contract, I'm not sure he's going anywhere for a while. Raiders fans need to probably get used to him and hope for the best.

I doubt even Al Davis would have walked from that contract, I doubt his dumb and dumber look alike son will either.
A Coach with a Microphone and No Team......  
Rafflee : 10/18/2018 5:35 pm : link
always sounds Smarter than a Coach with a Team.
Gruden is starting his tear down now.....  
Rafflee : 10/18/2018 5:37 pm : link
Gets a Honeymoon 1st year in Las Vegas...then onward. He has a chance.
Sat next to him a few years ago..  
EricJ : 10/18/2018 5:41 pm : link
in first class on a flight to FL. Fun to talk to. I would never have come back if I was him. At that time, he was loving life making a solid living just talking about football without any of the stresses that come with being a coach.
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