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Belichick on Khalil Mack vs LT

pjcas18 : 10/17/2018 12:11 pm
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Mark Daniels
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Belichick asked if Khalil Mack is up there with Lawrence Taylor: "Wait a minute, we're talking about Lawrence Taylor, now. I'm not putting anybody in Lawrence Taylor's class."


just thought I'd share...
Correct response  
bradshaw44 : 10/17/2018 12:11 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2018 12:12 pm : link
Love BB.
It's the truth.  
Britt in VA : 10/17/2018 12:13 pm : link
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Until they  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 10/17/2018 12:17 pm : link
1. invent a new position on O to try and deal with him,

and

2. revamp another position's athletic requirements to deal with him,

he's not quite there.
Of course he's not LT  
jcn56 : 10/17/2018 12:19 pm : link
but he's the only player in today's NFL that can be compared to him without being laughed out of the room.
stop.. they need to just keep LT's name  
blueblood : 10/17/2018 12:19 pm : link
out of peoples mouths.. I think that half these guys asking these questions never saw the man actually play..
Khalil Mack is a great player  
dune69 : 10/17/2018 12:20 pm : link
but no contest
RE: Of course he's not LT  
giants#1 : 10/17/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14132795 jcn56 said:
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but he's the only player in today's NFL that can be compared to him without being laughed out of the room.


If Watt's back to his 2012-2015 form, he's not far behind. And he's leading the league with 7 sacks (granted 3 were against Wheeler) combined with 4 FF, 8 TFL and 11 QBHits.
Not even close  
arniefez : 10/17/2018 12:34 pm : link
no one ever will be. There are two football players that deserve their own special wing in the HOF because no one will ever compare to them on the field. Jm Brown and LT. Off the field let's not discuss.
They belong in the same room together  
Stan in LA : 10/17/2018 12:36 pm : link
As long as Mack has brought his shine box with him.
There were a few plays last week where  
Beezer : 10/17/2018 12:37 pm : link
Olivier got some really good push against the guy across from him. A few plays.

LT manhandled men 70-90 pounds heavier than him on a play-to-play basis, then outran a lot of running backs and receivers.

There is no comparison to LT from anyone playing the game today.
The NFL has been looking for the  
Bubba : 10/17/2018 12:40 pm : link
next LT from the day he retired.
RE: They belong in the same room together  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/17/2018 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14132831 Stan in LA said:
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As long as Mack has brought his shine box with him.


Stan, you’re awake!!!! Did you sleep through the Red Sox-Yankees series? We missed you 😂😂😂😂😂
RE: RE: Of course he's not LT  
Eman11 : 10/17/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14132821 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14132795 jcn56 said:


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but he's the only player in today's NFL that can be compared to him without being laughed out of the room.



If Watt's back to his 2012-2015 form, he's not far behind. And he's leading the league with 7 sacks (granted 3 were against Wheeler) combined with 4 FF, 8 TFL and 11 QBHits.


Ummm no, no he's not. LT is on another tier.

Until someone comes along who changes the game and forces great coaches to reinvent Offenses, we can stop even thinking anyone is even close to LT.

BB had the exact correct response,IMO.
I watch Barkley and wonder if he can ever have the impact  
wgenesis123 : 10/17/2018 1:01 pm : link
of LT at running back. Now having watched LT change the game I know it can't be so for Barkley, but it is fun at times to wonder what would he have to do?
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Danny Kanell : 10/17/2018 1:03 pm : link
Didn't Belichick recently compare JJ Watt to LT?
The only guy I would even mention in the same universe as LT  
Stu11 : 10/17/2018 1:23 pm : link
in terms of having remotely the effect on the game LT had would be Von Miller for a year or two when the Broncos won the SB a few years back. LT did that and more for over a decade virtually EVERY play. That ability to literally singlehandedly wreck a game to the point where the opposing offense could do little or nothing about it. A lot of these guys have a nice run for a quarter or half where they can't be blocked and wreck things, but LT did it for a decade.
The best breakdown was Bavaro vs Gronk  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/17/2018 1:25 pm : link
Where Gronk is capable and works hard in run blocking, but was nowhere near Bavaro, who won battles against LT and Reggie White - 2 of the 5 greatest defensive players ever.
RE: .  
NoPeanutz : 10/17/2018 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14132881 Danny Kanell said:
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Didn't Belichick recently compare JJ Watt to LT?

He did. But it was the week before HOU played NE, and was almost certainly facetious. BB trying to get in HOU's and Watt's head.
RE: The best breakdown was Bavaro vs Gronk  
pjcas18 : 10/17/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14132911 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Where Gronk is capable and works hard in run blocking, but was nowhere near Bavaro, who won battles against LT and Reggie White - 2 of the 5 greatest defensive players ever.


Belichick has softened his stance a little on Bavaro > Gronk in recent years. He won't say Gronk is better, but he makes it closer at a minimum in recent years.

This was in 2010, when Gronk was a rookie:

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..."I'd say there are some similarities," Belichick said of his 6-6, 265-year old rookie from Arizona. "Good size, blocking, receiving, a little bit of the same body type and playing style."

Athletic as Gronkowski is for his size, Bavaro was equally so in his 6-4, 245 pound package.

Belichick cautioned that no one get too hasty putting anyone in Bavaro's class quite yet.

"That's a little stretch to compare anybody at that stage of their career to Bavaro," said Belichick. "Bavaro had a great career. He played against some of the all-time greats -- Reggie White twice a year, and White is playing 6-technique head up on the tight end and you really don't get any help. That's a pretty big assignment. I think I'd be reluctant to put anybody in Mark Bavaro's class.

"I don't mean that in any way to slight any of our players. He set the bar up there pretty high. He could block, he could catch, he could run, and run after the catch. He was a great competitor. Mark was there every single week," Belichick said. "That's a guy you could count on. We lined up every year at training camp and he could block Carl Banks and Lawrence Taylor. Not too many guys blocked them. You talk about competitive battles -- if you like football, that's about as good as you could find right there."...


this was in 2015:

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..."I put him in there with (Mark) Bavaro in terms of guys I've coached," Belichick said in 2015 of Gronkowski, via the Boston Herald.

Belichick went on to break down what made Bavaro so special.

"It would be hard for me to put anyone past Bavaro just because of the times he blocked (Hall of Fame defensive end) Reggie White with no help. ... There was no double team, he just blocked him," Belichick said. "Now, that was a good battle. Reggie got him a few times, too.

"I've seen Bavaro block (former Giants linebacker and Hall of Famer Lawrence) Taylor, block (former Giants linebacker Carl) Banks. Those were as competitive of matchups in practices that I've ever seen. It was awesome to watch. Players of that level compete the way they competed and all three of those guys, they were tremendous football players.

"I have a lot of accolades to Rob and all his blocking, just saying it's hard for me to put anyone past Bavaro based on Reggie White, Banks, Taylor. Those guys were pretty good. I can't tell you how many times coaching Taylor and he got blocked. I mean, not very many. They might of run away from him. They might have got in his way. ... Banks, it would be in the single digits for me.

"But we didn't play against Bavaro But we played against him in training camp, we played against him in practice. Whether it was one-on-ones or nine-on-sevens or running drills or it was a pass where you had to re-route the guy. There wasn't any of that. It was, I know who's blocking me, he knows he's blocking me, let's have at it, and that was awesome. It was awesome."...


Did I miss something  
Fred in Atlanta : 10/17/2018 2:36 pm : link
or did Mack win Defensive Player of the Year as a Rookie?
It's funny  
The Dude : 10/17/2018 2:37 pm : link
BB always shoots down almost all questions. Always has something to say about giants he's coached.
To compare a guy like Mack to LT is simply a joke...  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 10/17/2018 3:06 pm : link
my daughter's boyfriend is a big football fan but he's only 31...a kid to me. He never saw LT play. I put on a few highlights from YouTube and he was flabbergasted. Plus LT played when football was infinitely tougher than it is now...where they went two a days in training camp. There is simply no comparison. LT was the greatest defensive player EVER!!! He changed the game and BB is right, no one could block him.

As for Bavaro, you do not get tight ends like him anymore. He was an extra offensive lineman in most cases and he was still as good a pass catcher as there was. If he were playing today, he would make Gronk look like a pussy. Had he not hurt his knee in 89, I think it was, he would be in the HOF right now. In my mind, he still should be in the Hall of Fame. On one leg, he was better than 90% of other tight ends in the league. We do not win SB 25 without Bavaro.
John Madden once said if he could assemble a team  
Motley Two : 10/17/2018 3:14 pm : link
of any players in the history of the NFL, Bavaro would be his first pick.
RE: Not even close  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/17/2018 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14132827 arniefez said:
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no one ever will be. There are two football players that deserve their own special wing in the HOF because no one will ever compare to them on the field. Jm Brown and LT. Off the field let's not discuss.


Wait until Saquon gets a real offensive line in front of him.
RE: John Madden once said if he could assemble a team  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/17/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14133105 Motley Two said:
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of any players in the history of the NFL, Bavaro would be his first pick.

BB has compared Gronk and Bavaro.

I would prefer Bavaro, less injury prone.
RE: RE: Not even close  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/17/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14133110 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14132827 arniefez said:


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no one ever will be. There are two football players that deserve their own special wing in the HOF because no one will ever compare to them on the field. Jm Brown and LT. Off the field let's not discuss.



Wait until Saquon gets a real offensive line in front of him.

Not sure how he would do running behind a FB, but imagine Bavaro and Carthon blocking for him.
Is this about pass rushing...  
bw in dc : 10/17/2018 3:21 pm : link
specifically or the OLB position?

As a pass rusher, Mack isn't in the same stratosphere as Reggie White, who is arguably the most consistent, greatest pass rusher in history. His year over year numbers are just staggering.

As a pass rushing OLB, I agree with the majority of the sentiments above - Mack is not in LT's class. LT could play coverage when asked and he was phenomenal in chasing down running plays away from him. His combination of speed, power, and relentlessness were chilling...
The only LBs that I ever saw, that dominated a game  
TMS : 10/17/2018 3:49 pm : link
in their era, that outshone the teams on both sides of the ball were Dick Butkus and Lawrence Taylor. Both were game changers who everybody was worrying about on every play when they were on the field. They literally took over the game. Mack is certainly special but not at that level.
RE: Is this about pass rushing...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/17/2018 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14133118 bw in dc said:
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specifically or the OLB position?

As a pass rusher, Mack isn't in the same stratosphere as Reggie White, who is arguably the most consistent, greatest pass rusher in history. His year over year numbers are just staggering.

As a pass rushing OLB, I agree with the majority of the sentiments above - Mack is not in LT's class. LT could play coverage when asked and he was phenomenal in chasing down running plays away from him. His combination of speed, power, and relentlessness were chilling...


I think the coke had something to do with his relentlessness?
Love how the old-school football guys  
bceagle05 : 10/17/2018 3:56 pm : link
wax poetic about Bavaro. One of the more respected figures in Giants history.
RE: RE: Is this about pass rushing...  
bw in dc : 10/17/2018 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14133165 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14133118 bw in dc said:


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specifically or the OLB position?

As a pass rusher, Mack isn't in the same stratosphere as Reggie White, who is arguably the most consistent, greatest pass rusher in history. His year over year numbers are just staggering.

As a pass rushing OLB, I agree with the majority of the sentiments above - Mack is not in LT's class. LT could play coverage when asked and he was phenomenal in chasing down running plays away from him. His combination of speed, power, and relentlessness were chilling...



I think the coke had something to do with his relentlessness?


I've thought about that. On the other hand, maybe it prevented him from going to an even higher level.
short clip on twitter  
El Pollo Diablo : 10/17/2018 5:38 pm : link
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BB once a Giant always a Giant  
Dave on the UWS : 10/17/2018 5:45 pm : link
It’s in his blood
Khalil Mack is an absolute best  
Anakim : 10/17/2018 6:37 pm : link
He's the best defensive player in the NFL. Jon Gruden was a complete nut to trade him. I remember talking to Fat Man on here about how bad that trade was. Really inexcusable.



But LT was obviously in a category of his own. Can't say I've watched many of his games, but I've seen a lot of his highlights (I know. Totally the same.) and there's no one who came close to him. He's in a tier of his own.


But I would think that Derrick Thomas (another guy who was a bit before my time) came closest to being the next LT.
Coke had nothing to do with LT being relentless.  
wgenesis123 : 10/17/2018 7:34 pm : link
If it was that easy, there would be new LT's every year. If anything the drug habit robbed LT of his greatness the same as booze robbed Mickey Mantle. LT the addict might not be able to admit that the drugs hurt him but you can rest assured they did.
Rudiculous question on its face  
mattlawson : 10/17/2018 9:45 pm : link
Guy should have been escorted out without an answer
How does that saying go?  
Gmanfandan : 10/17/2018 11:26 pm : link
There will never be a next LT - whoever fits that mold will be the first of someone else.
RE: Khalil Mack is an absolute best  
bw in dc : 10/17/2018 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14133349 Anakim said:
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But I would think that Derrick Thomas (another guy who was a bit before my time) came closest to being the next LT.


Different players. DT was more of a one trick pony - but a great one trick. A hellacious end speed rusher. Tremendous off the speed and quickness. Didn’t exude the power of LT or the ability to impact the running game. So there really is limited comparison.

The closest player to LT that I’ve seen was one of LT’s peers - Pat Swilling down in New Orleans. Very similar players, especially on the rush and creating turnovers. Not as good against the run, but a dynamite player who should be in the HoF. Was part of a great trio of LBs with the Saints with Rickey Jackson and Sam Mills. No idea why they aren’t all in the HoF.

RE: Rudiculous question on its face  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/18/2018 11:43 am : link
In comment 14133599 mattlawson said:
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Guy should have been escorted out without an answer

The only proper answer is a Billy Madison principal plaintive reply that ends with "everyone in this room is dumber for listening to your question and May God have mercy on your soul."
RE: RE: John Madden once said if he could assemble a team  
ArcadeSlumlord : 10/18/2018 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14133115 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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In comment 14133105 Motley Two said:


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of any players in the history of the NFL, Bavaro would be his first pick.


BB has compared Gronk and Bavaro.

I would prefer Bavaro, less injury prone.


Nope, just played through injury.
RE: Of course he's not LT  
section125 : 10/18/2018 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14132795 jcn56 said:
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but he's the only player in today's NFL that can be compared to him without being laughed out of the room.


Did not even see him against the Dolphins Sunday. Completely forgot Mack was on the Bears....
RE: RE: Khalil Mack is an absolute best  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/18/2018 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14133667 bw in dc said:
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But I would think that Derrick Thomas (another guy who was a bit before my time) came closest to being the next LT.



Different players. DT was more of a one trick pony - but a great one trick. A hellacious end speed rusher. Tremendous off the speed and quickness. Didn’t exude the power of LT or the ability to impact the running game. So there really is limited comparison.

The closest player to LT that I’ve seen was one of LT’s peers - Pat Swilling down in New Orleans. Very similar players, especially on the rush and creating turnovers. Not as good against the run, but a dynamite player who should be in the HoF. Was part of a great trio of LBs with the Saints with Rickey Jackson and Sam Mills. No idea why they aren’t all in the HoF.


Great quartet of LBs. Vaughan Johnson was very good - 4X Pro Bowler.

Sam Mills I think has just as strong a case as Ricky Jackson did for the HOF. College Football HOF and USFL all-time team. 5X Pro Bowl and an All-Pro (which Jackson doesn't have).
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