Some scouts think pretty highly of him... better prospect then any of the QB's from this years draft. We need to go from one #10 to the next #10 in 2019! LINK - ( New Window )
top end QBs available via the draft and/or the Giants not being in position to draft one.
Stay within the top 3-5 and, of the teams struggling, ahead of Denver.
San Fran, Arizona and Colts will not take him and can only trade their pick to someone who would (worst case scenario).
But any teams drafting ahead of the Giants that have a QB will almost certainly be dangling that pick. I think Elway will do what he has to to get a QB in this draft. And I'm not convinced the Giants are bad enough to get the #1 pick.
That's why I mentioned staying ahead of Denver... Â
the Giants brass even like him. If they do and we are not at #1, they might pull off a move like we did for Eli and hope for the best for the next 15 years.
If we end up getting a top QB prospect in next years draft Â
I was completely wrong about drafting SB this year. Of course, nobody thought we'd be anywhere close to the top of this draft, but it may actually work out.
but I didn't think he'd be THIS bad. With so many great weapons and an improved OL, I thought at worst we'd be picking in the early teens. Nobody could have predicted it would be this bad.
RE: That's why I mentioned staying ahead of Denver... Â
As long as we do, we can basically match their offer and the 1st rounder we'd be giving up in return would be slightly better.
Denver is the team to watch out for.
Watching the Rams-Broncos game, the crowd was booing him with every incomplete pass as the game was getting away from them at 20-3.
Elway can see this team is going nowhere and are in "QB Hell" trying to short term it these last few years with these dudes who can't play.
Three years after winning a Super Bowl with no playoffs to show, getting progressively worse each season, and with perhaps a top QB in his division that they have to compete with for the foreseeable future each year in Kansas City, if any team is going to do the massive overpay to get their man if Elway is zoning in on him, it is them.
If you are the Giants at #2 and the Broncos can get to #1, they are the team lurking that will make it happen.
I was one of those guys who claimed this crop sucks Â
I stand corrected. If this guy is as good or better than Darnold, the NYG need to facilitate a way to get him (if they don't finish with the top pick). Surrender future 1's if needed. Accorsi always says if you're convinced on a guy, there is no pricetag. Pairing him with Barkley immediately brightens the skies above this franchise.
Everyone in the AFC East and North with the exception of the Bills are going to have too many wins to compete for the #1 pick.
The Bills have a good defense, it's possible they could lose out and go 2-14. But they still have 2 games each vs the Jets and the Dolphins and I can't see them going 0-4 in those 4 games, so I think Buffalo gets to at least 3 wins.
The Colts have only one win but they are competing pretty well, have Andrew Luck, and a favorable schedule: vs Buffalo, at Oakland, two games against the Titans, at Houston (they lost by just a FG in the first meeting), and vs the Giants. I think the Colts will easily get to 5 or even 6 wins.
Denver has two wins but a favorable matchup at Arizona on a short week tomorrow night, they host Houston in a few weeks, and still have games at San Francisco and Oakland and host Cleveland. I think Denver is going to be in that 4-6 win total.
The Raiders are a mess but I think the beat the Cardinals and maybe the Colts and or Denver at home. They could compete for that #1 overall pick. I think they are a 2-14 team, maybe 3-13.
I'm not worried about any other teams having a worse record than the Giants in the NFC East, North, or South. However, the NFC West...you have the Niners and the Cardinals.
The Cardinals have just 3 winnable games for them, IMO. Hosting Denver tomorrow night, the Niners, and Oakland. So at best I can see them with 4 wins. The likelihood is they are going to win one or two of those games, but I will put them at 2-14.
The Niners actually can win a few games, and they play us at home. We need to lose that game. But they play the Cards, the Raiders, at Tampa Bay, and they host Denver. Hopefully they beat us and the Bucs and put themselves around 4-12. Beathard sure is playing better than I thought.
As for the Giants, I can honestly see them losing every remaining game except two that they might win: home vs Tampa and home vs Tennessee.
If we win 3 games, I think we are going to be back picking at #2 or #3 this year. If they can win only one more game, I think they can lock up the #1 pick.
RE: If we end up getting a top QB prospect in next years draft Â
I was completely wrong about drafting SB this year. Of course, nobody thought we'd be anywhere close to the top of this draft, but it may actually work out.
Incorrect, I absolutely thought we'd be back in the top 5 drafting in the 2019 draft. I had no illusions at all the Giants would win games this year, I've seen enough of Eli in recent seasons to know that wasn't realistic.
The biggest QB competiton among the loser teams will be Denver and probably Oakland.
Denver had 7 scouts and executives at the Oregon game. So, we can assume, they are all in on Herbert.
Their defense should keep them competitive.....
If he is the real deal.....the Giants must
do it.
I also think the NFL needs the Giants competitive.....
If the bad teams all have their QB then they might be willing to trade back and get picks for their spot. The only way NYG can afford and attain Herbert is by picking 1st IMO.
we will win 5 to 6 games this year and need to give up the farm to get up for Herbert.
Then we are truly in no mans land, or QB hell.
If we lose Monday, please just tank the rest of the way with Lauletta.
Or...they win 5 or 6 games and Eli plays just well enough to not embarrass himself, allowing management to justify their position that he is a QB going forward into 2019. This would allow them an out and then they can take one of the top defensive players (since the top of the draft is projected to lean toward defensive linemen). Come 2019, we play this game all over again.
It just to me looks as if they are going to (just like last year) use one of two games the rest of the season to try to hang on to any justification for keeping Eli. Say he goes for 380 and 3 TD's and they lose to the Eagles or Bears. Gettleman and his minions carrying his and management's water can just use that one game to erase all the other stuff.
"One current Pac-12 defensive coach agreed with Aliotti that Herbert is better than any of the crop of quarterbacks from last year.
'There’s a snap to the ball when it comes off his hand,” the coach told Yahoo Sports. “We played against Rosen and Darnold. In my mind, he’s more of a threat to a defense. He’s got more of that NFL-looking stature. He can sit in the pocket and has the big arm and is really, really accurate.'"
"The scouts are in general agreement. Yahoo Sports polled a half-dozen on Herbert and the rest of the quarterback class. None mentioned another quarterback for the top spot. There’s a general feel that Herbert is running away from the competition, as he has 17 touchdowns and five interceptions, and completed 63.1 percent of his passes.
The debate isn’t whether he’s the best in this class, but rather which echelon of former top quarterback prospects to compare him with. One scout said the Luck comparison was too lofty, as Herbert’s tape shows he’ll need work going through progressions and he’s had some average games. He also observed that he’s “safer than [Pat] Mahomes,” “[Carson] Wentz was a better athlete” and has a “better arm and body than [Jared] Goff.”
...is always better than last year's flavor of the month. It's shiny and new whereas last year's model has already been unwrapped (and we all know that value decreases immediately upon opening).
Everyone in the AFC East and North with the exception of the Bills are going to have too many wins to compete for the #1 pick.
The Bills have a good defense, it's possible they could lose out and go 2-14. But they still have 2 games each vs the Jets and the Dolphins and I can't see them going 0-4 in those 4 games, so I think Buffalo gets to at least 3 wins.
The Colts have only one win but they are competing pretty well, have Andrew Luck, and a favorable schedule: vs Buffalo, at Oakland, two games against the Titans, at Houston (they lost by just a FG in the first meeting), and vs the Giants. I think the Colts will easily get to 5 or even 6 wins.
Denver has two wins but a favorable matchup at Arizona on a short week tomorrow night, they host Houston in a few weeks, and still have games at San Francisco and Oakland and host Cleveland. I think Denver is going to be in that 4-6 win total.
The Raiders are a mess but I think the beat the Cardinals and maybe the Colts and or Denver at home. They could compete for that #1 overall pick. I think they are a 2-14 team, maybe 3-13.
I'm not worried about any other teams having a worse record than the Giants in the NFC East, North, or South. However, the NFC West...you have the Niners and the Cardinals.
The Cardinals have just 3 winnable games for them, IMO. Hosting Denver tomorrow night, the Niners, and Oakland. So at best I can see them with 4 wins. The likelihood is they are going to win one or two of those games, but I will put them at 2-14.
The Niners actually can win a few games, and they play us at home. We need to lose that game. But they play the Cards, the Raiders, at Tampa Bay, and they host Denver. Hopefully they beat us and the Bucs and put themselves around 4-12. Beathard sure is playing better than I thought.
As for the Giants, I can honestly see them losing every remaining game except two that they might win: home vs Tampa and home vs Tennessee.
If we win 3 games, I think we are going to be back picking at #2 or #3 this year. If they can win only one more game, I think they can lock up the #1 pick.
This is the most Machiavellian nakedly honest tanking strategic thinking I've read on BBI. I am not there with you on identifying "must lose" games, but I respect the post.
The biggest QB competiton among the loser teams will be Denver and probably Oakland.
Denver had 7 scouts and executives at the Oregon game. So, we can assume, they are all in on Herbert.
Their defense should keep them competitive.....
If he is the real deal.....the Giants must
do it.
I also think the NFL needs the Giants competitive.....
If the bad teams all have their QB then they might be willing to trade back and get picks for their spot. The only way NYG can afford and attain Herbert is by picking 1st IMO.
+1
The other teams that need QBs will have high picks and if we are #2 or #3 behind teams that don't need a QB, they would be tempted to trade down a couple of slots and harvest extra high picks, which is what we should have done this year if we had had the opportunity IMO.
RE: If we end up getting a top QB prospect in next years draft Â
I was completely wrong about drafting SB this year. Of course, nobody thought we'd be anywhere close to the top of this draft, but it may actually work out.
Note, in the article over/under on first round QBs is 2.5 ... very important, I think it will be in that ballpark.
Stay within the top 3-5 and, of the teams struggling, ahead of Denver.
San Fran, Arizona and Colts will not take him and can only trade their pick to someone who would (worst case scenario).
Stay within the top 3-5 and, of the teams struggling, ahead of Denver.
San Fran, Arizona and Colts will not take him and can only trade their pick to someone who would (worst case scenario).
But any teams drafting ahead of the Giants that have a QB will almost certainly be dangling that pick. I think Elway will do what he has to to get a QB in this draft. And I'm not convinced the Giants are bad enough to get the #1 pick.
Eli is finished AND we'll never be near the top of the draft.
If Eli was truly finished (as it appears he is), then we would be at the top of the draft (as it appears we will be).
If we were not near the top of the draft then it would have been because Eli could still play at a high level.
Denver is the team to watch out for.
Watching the Rams-Broncos game, the crowd was booing him with every incomplete pass as the game was getting away from them at 20-3.
Elway can see this team is going nowhere and are in "QB Hell" trying to short term it these last few years with these dudes who can't play.
Three years after winning a Super Bowl with no playoffs to show, getting progressively worse each season, and with perhaps a top QB in his division that they have to compete with for the foreseeable future each year in Kansas City, if any team is going to do the massive overpay to get their man if Elway is zoning in on him, it is them.
If you are the Giants at #2 and the Broncos can get to #1, they are the team lurking that will make it happen.
The Bills have a good defense, it's possible they could lose out and go 2-14. But they still have 2 games each vs the Jets and the Dolphins and I can't see them going 0-4 in those 4 games, so I think Buffalo gets to at least 3 wins.
The Colts have only one win but they are competing pretty well, have Andrew Luck, and a favorable schedule: vs Buffalo, at Oakland, two games against the Titans, at Houston (they lost by just a FG in the first meeting), and vs the Giants. I think the Colts will easily get to 5 or even 6 wins.
Denver has two wins but a favorable matchup at Arizona on a short week tomorrow night, they host Houston in a few weeks, and still have games at San Francisco and Oakland and host Cleveland. I think Denver is going to be in that 4-6 win total.
The Raiders are a mess but I think the beat the Cardinals and maybe the Colts and or Denver at home. They could compete for that #1 overall pick. I think they are a 2-14 team, maybe 3-13.
I'm not worried about any other teams having a worse record than the Giants in the NFC East, North, or South. However, the NFC West...you have the Niners and the Cardinals.
The Cardinals have just 3 winnable games for them, IMO. Hosting Denver tomorrow night, the Niners, and Oakland. So at best I can see them with 4 wins. The likelihood is they are going to win one or two of those games, but I will put them at 2-14.
The Niners actually can win a few games, and they play us at home. We need to lose that game. But they play the Cards, the Raiders, at Tampa Bay, and they host Denver. Hopefully they beat us and the Bucs and put themselves around 4-12. Beathard sure is playing better than I thought.
As for the Giants, I can honestly see them losing every remaining game except two that they might win: home vs Tampa and home vs Tennessee.
If we win 3 games, I think we are going to be back picking at #2 or #3 this year. If they can win only one more game, I think they can lock up the #1 pick.
Incorrect, I absolutely thought we'd be back in the top 5 drafting in the 2019 draft. I had no illusions at all the Giants would win games this year, I've seen enough of Eli in recent seasons to know that wasn't realistic.
I mean if we're gonna suck, it would be nice to wind up with #1.
If not, we should be ok in terms of trading if necessary if we're behind the likes of Arizona, SF and/or Indy.
Then we are truly in no mans land, or QB hell.
If we lose Monday, please just tank the rest of the way with Lauletta.
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Denver had 7 scouts and executives at the Oregon game. So, we can assume, they are all in on Herbert.
Their defense should keep them competitive.....
If he is the real deal.....the Giants must
do it.
I also think the NFL needs the Giants competitive.....
Denver had 7 scouts and executives at the Oregon game. So, we can assume, they are all in on Herbert.
Their defense should keep them competitive.....
If he is the real deal.....the Giants must
do it.
I also think the NFL needs the Giants competitive.....
If the bad teams all have their QB then they might be willing to trade back and get picks for their spot. The only way NYG can afford and attain Herbert is by picking 1st IMO.
Then we are truly in no mans land, or QB hell.
If we lose Monday, please just tank the rest of the way with Lauletta.
Or...they win 5 or 6 games and Eli plays just well enough to not embarrass himself, allowing management to justify their position that he is a QB going forward into 2019. This would allow them an out and then they can take one of the top defensive players (since the top of the draft is projected to lean toward defensive linemen). Come 2019, we play this game all over again.
It just to me looks as if they are going to (just like last year) use one of two games the rest of the season to try to hang on to any justification for keeping Eli. Say he goes for 380 and 3 TD's and they lose to the Eagles or Bears. Gettleman and his minions carrying his and management's water can just use that one game to erase all the other stuff.
#SuckForDuck
'There’s a snap to the ball when it comes off his hand,” the coach told Yahoo Sports. “We played against Rosen and Darnold. In my mind, he’s more of a threat to a defense. He’s got more of that NFL-looking stature. He can sit in the pocket and has the big arm and is really, really accurate.'"
"The scouts are in general agreement. Yahoo Sports polled a half-dozen on Herbert and the rest of the quarterback class. None mentioned another quarterback for the top spot. There’s a general feel that Herbert is running away from the competition, as he has 17 touchdowns and five interceptions, and completed 63.1 percent of his passes.
The debate isn’t whether he’s the best in this class, but rather which echelon of former top quarterback prospects to compare him with. One scout said the Luck comparison was too lofty, as Herbert’s tape shows he’ll need work going through progressions and he’s had some average games. He also observed that he’s “safer than [Pat] Mahomes,” “[Carson] Wentz was a better athlete” and has a “better arm and body than [Jared] Goff.”
The Bills have a good defense, it's possible they could lose out and go 2-14. But they still have 2 games each vs the Jets and the Dolphins and I can't see them going 0-4 in those 4 games, so I think Buffalo gets to at least 3 wins.
The Colts have only one win but they are competing pretty well, have Andrew Luck, and a favorable schedule: vs Buffalo, at Oakland, two games against the Titans, at Houston (they lost by just a FG in the first meeting), and vs the Giants. I think the Colts will easily get to 5 or even 6 wins.
Denver has two wins but a favorable matchup at Arizona on a short week tomorrow night, they host Houston in a few weeks, and still have games at San Francisco and Oakland and host Cleveland. I think Denver is going to be in that 4-6 win total.
The Raiders are a mess but I think the beat the Cardinals and maybe the Colts and or Denver at home. They could compete for that #1 overall pick. I think they are a 2-14 team, maybe 3-13.
I'm not worried about any other teams having a worse record than the Giants in the NFC East, North, or South. However, the NFC West...you have the Niners and the Cardinals.
The Cardinals have just 3 winnable games for them, IMO. Hosting Denver tomorrow night, the Niners, and Oakland. So at best I can see them with 4 wins. The likelihood is they are going to win one or two of those games, but I will put them at 2-14.
The Niners actually can win a few games, and they play us at home. We need to lose that game. But they play the Cards, the Raiders, at Tampa Bay, and they host Denver. Hopefully they beat us and the Bucs and put themselves around 4-12. Beathard sure is playing better than I thought.
As for the Giants, I can honestly see them losing every remaining game except two that they might win: home vs Tampa and home vs Tennessee.
If we win 3 games, I think we are going to be back picking at #2 or #3 this year. If they can win only one more game, I think they can lock up the #1 pick.
This is the most Machiavellian nakedly honest tanking strategic thinking I've read on BBI. I am not there with you on identifying "must lose" games, but I respect the post.
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The biggest QB competiton among the loser teams will be Denver and probably Oakland.
Denver had 7 scouts and executives at the Oregon game. So, we can assume, they are all in on Herbert.
Their defense should keep them competitive.....
If he is the real deal.....the Giants must
do it.
I also think the NFL needs the Giants competitive.....
If the bad teams all have their QB then they might be willing to trade back and get picks for their spot. The only way NYG can afford and attain Herbert is by picking 1st IMO.
+1
The other teams that need QBs will have high picks and if we are #2 or #3 behind teams that don't need a QB, they would be tempted to trade down a couple of slots and harvest extra high picks, which is what we should have done this year if we had had the opportunity IMO.