History is prologue. The Giants historically started their success with a strong foundation in defense, not offense. Recall the Giants of the 50s and early 60s. Remember they picked up YA Title after the defense was top notch. I suggest that this is where the team needs to focus, not offense. We need defensive players that accel in today's NFL. We need interior defensive linemen that stuff the line. We need outside linebackers and ends that blitz with upmost speed and strength. We need opportunistic inside linebackers and safeties that stuff the run and minimize yards per catch. We need corners that cover and not loose the game on one play. THAT IS THE GIANTS' history for success. We have none of that today. Simms and Manning would never have won any Super Bowls without a punishing, great defense. That is our recipe for success. Not Beckham. Not Barkley. Not Manning. They are merely icing on the cake. Other than perhaps Morris and Bavaro, Simms had no pro bowlers on offense. Though he made the pro bowl a few times, there were other QBs who got the glamor and publicity. Simms was proficient. He knew his limitations. Manning is simply a nudge. He never quits and believes in himself. Like Simms, he knows his limitations (thank you Clint Eastwood). When we had Morris, Anderson and Bavaro, our offense was geared on run, run, play action. Two tight end offense; sometimes three using an offensive lineman. We pounded the ball, then faked the run then throw. No different with Manning. Remember thunder and lightning? Remember Jacobs running over the Packer defensemen on the frozen tundra early and often in the playoff game? So I say focus on defense. I could care less about offense at this time. Build a Giant traditional identity. When the defense is a stud, then focus and build up the offense.
Agree. And I was around those "old" days. Best defense today is for your offense to keep it away from the other teams offense. That's why turnovers hurt so much.
Starts and ends with OL.
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defenses are an extreme disadvantage in today's game. You need a descent offense first and foremost.
Agree. And I was around those "old" days. Best defense today is for your offense to keep it away from the other teams offense. That's why turnovers hurt so much.
It's going to get worse for defenses as well. As more of the spread concepts leak into the NFL. Offenses will get better and defensive play will be down.
You still need a good defense, but you need an offense that can score.
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defenses are an extreme disadvantage in today's game. You need a descent offense first and foremost.
Starts and ends with OL.
Dallas had an all world O-Line and New England Has a bunch of 5th rounders. How about it starts and ends with a QB.
Thinking that you can beat the system right now is very challenging. The NFL is stacked with some very bright people in the coaching ranks who are struggling to find systems and methods that work against these rules. It may take years before they develop something innovative that can offset this imbalance.
So I think the focus needs to be finding the right mix of OL, and depth there if possible, and, most critically, a QB who has some mobility to improvise.
They will address one of the 3 key issues —QB, OLine, or Edge— with their top pick. If that player is an elite player to go with Barkley and Odell, they will have a good start.
Thinking that you can beat the system right now is very challenging. The NFL is stacked with some very bright people in the coaching ranks who are struggling to find systems and methods that work against these rules. It may take years before they develop something innovative that can offset this imbalance.
So I think the focus needs to be finding the right mix of OL, and depth there if possible, and, most critically, a QB who has some mobility to improvise.
Agreed, the only positions to really throw premium money or assets at is pass rushers, CB, and FS.
It's not unfeasible to get a QB in round 1 and then get 2 new pieces for the Oline in 2 and 3 of next year. I suspect we will pickup a FA RT, and possibly a guard or center.
Then we will need to focus on DE's. But to be really in the hunt for it all it probably will take 2 years of good offseason work.
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to make playing defense impossible. The art of intimidation has almost been squeezed entirely out of the game.
Thinking that you can beat the system right now is very challenging. The NFL is stacked with some very bright people in the coaching ranks who are struggling to find systems and methods that work against these rules. It may take years before they develop something innovative that can offset this imbalance.
So I think the focus needs to be finding the right mix of OL, and depth there if possible, and, most critically, a QB who has some mobility to improvise.
Agreed, the only positions to really throw premium money or assets at is pass rushers, CB, and FS.
I could see the game changing where the LB almost becomes extinct. Maybe teams go with a 4-1-6.
Have a big, athletic Mike to play the run and chip receivers when needed. But then have these combo safeties - one who essentially spies on the QB and the other who plays this free lancing, rover zone. And try to cover as much space as possible with faster athletes.
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to make playing defense impossible. The art of intimidation has almost been squeezed entirely out of the game.
Thinking that you can beat the system right now is very challenging. The NFL is stacked with some very bright people in the coaching ranks who are struggling to find systems and methods that work against these rules. It may take years before they develop something innovative that can offset this imbalance.
So I think the focus needs to be finding the right mix of OL, and depth there if possible, and, most critically, a QB who has some mobility to improvise.
Agreed, the only positions to really throw premium money or assets at is pass rushers, CB, and FS.
I could see the game changing where the LB almost becomes extinct. Maybe teams go with a 4-1-6.
Have a big, athletic Mike to play the run and chip receivers when needed. But then have these combo safeties - one who essentially spies on the QB and the other who plays this free lancing, rover zone. And try to cover as much space as possible with faster athletes.
Well the Nickel is practically the 3rd LB now.
I think the linebacker will still be around mostley because if you did what you said, most teams would start to run the ball more.
You need a hybrid player LB/Corner. Rover in most college ball.
Thinking that you can beat the system right now is very challenging. The NFL is stacked with some very bright people in the coaching ranks who are struggling to find systems and methods that work against these rules. It may take years before they develop something innovative that can offset this imbalance.
So I think the focus needs to be finding the right mix of OL, and depth there if possible, and, most critically, a QB who has some mobility to improvise.
Defenses seem to work against the NY Giants?!
Let's see a repeat of 2004. 1st line QB Justin Herbert and 2nd round OL David Edwards or Yodny Cajuste
I love good defenses. In fact I think right now our 3 DL are pretty damn good in Snacks, Hill and Tomlinson. I would like to see Lorenzo Carter get more playing time as I think he is a future stud OLB. I would like to add to the LB corp and get Josh Allen OLB Kentucky in the early 2nd round if possible next year.
But we need to get our young QB of the future and I hope it is Justin Herbert in round 1. Then I hope the interior of our O Line is improved. Center and Right Guard play is killing our offense. Eli or Herbert will need a cleaner pocket to step into. Right Tackle might have to stay with Wheeler and draft another guy in rounds 4 or 5.
I will say that we need a free safety.
So, for the rebuild:
Round 1. Justin Herbert QB Oregon
Round 2. Josh Allen OLB Kentucky
Round 4. The best OL ( C, RG, RT )
Round 5. The best FS
Free agency: C, G, RT, WR
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If it’s close, you would love it to be QB OT or Edge.
Let's see a repeat of 2004. 1st line QB Justin Herbert and 2nd round OL David Edwards or Yodny Cajuste