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NFT: Wade Miley pulled after one batter - NLCS

dep026 : 10/17/2018 5:29 pm
Pre planned. I guess Counsell didn’t want the Dodgers to set their lineup.

I hate this. It doesn’t seem right.
Why do you hate it?  
robbieballs2003 : 10/17/2018 5:32 pm : link
Do what it takes to win. Belichick tests the rules all the time. Nothing wrong with being creative or thinking outside the box. Think of this like a fake FG or punt. You are purposely trying to fool your opponent to get an advantage. Why should it be frowned upon in baseball?
RE: Why do you hate it?  
chopperhatch : 10/17/2018 5:37 pm : link
In comment 14133275 robbieballs2003 said:
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Do what it takes to win. Belichick tests the rules all the time. Nothing wrong with being creative or thinking outside the box. Think of this like a fake FG or punt. You are purposely trying to fool your opponent to get an advantage. Why should it be frowned upon in baseball?


Signed
Hasn’t Miley been pretty good for them?  
Dave in PA : 10/17/2018 5:45 pm : link
I’d rather have him on the mound
Freese let’s an easy out trickle foul  
dep026 : 10/17/2018 5:55 pm : link
Then kershaw gets squeezed by the umpire. Bellinger misplays Cain doubles. Kershaw getting killed by his teammates again.
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arcarsenal : 10/17/2018 5:59 pm : link
I'm all about it. You have to find any way you possibly can to gain an edge. There's nothing illegal or unfair about doing this. I like it.
Nothing new here  
joeinpa : 10/17/2018 6:21 pm : link
Gene Mauch used to warm up a pitcher prior to the game and one under the stadium. It s called gamesmanship.
You hate  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/17/2018 6:24 pm : link
a ton of things.
Machado  
dep026 : 10/17/2018 6:29 pm : link
Is earning his way out of LA. Coming up small tonight.
RE: Machado  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/17/2018 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14133333 dep026 said:
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Is earning his way out of LA. Coming up small tonight.


I hope we grab him to replace Didi.
RE: Machado  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/17/2018 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14133333 dep026 said:
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Is earning his way out of LA. Coming up small tonight.


He won the game for them last night...
RE: RE: Machado  
speedywheels : 10/17/2018 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14133365 BigBlue4You09 said:
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In comment 14133333 dep026 said:


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Is earning his way out of LA. Coming up small tonight.



He won the game for them last night...


Dep doesn’t like when facts interfere with his narrative.
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arcarsenal : 10/17/2018 9:10 pm : link
Not only that, but Machado was batting like .350 in this series prior to the game tonight.
F*ck the Brewers.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2018 9:20 pm : link
Hope LAD ends this series on Friday.
One way to screw with analytics is to  
HomerJones45 : 10/17/2018 9:33 pm : link
not go along with the assumptions. Dodgers set a lineup against Miley based on their analytics. Well, now that right handed lineup may not be as good against the right hander. next guy, and the right hander gave up 2 earned runs in 5 1/3 striking out 8. The Brewers didn't win but the tactic is a perfectly valid one.
Homer  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/17/2018 9:59 pm : link
I don't think it screws with analytics, at least not in any specific manner relating to the "analytics movement." Before "analytics" as it's referred to today, managers were still structuring rosters and lineups based on the presumed opposing starter. Then, managers were just relying on different inputs to determine the strategy. If, "pre-analytics," the opposing team pulled the starter after one batter, it would have screwed with that strategy as well.
I get why some don’t like things like this  
mfsd : 10/17/2018 10:11 pm : link
But I find it a fascinating time in baseball. For a sport long bound by an arcane “book” of rules and traditions, it’s interesting to see so many strategic changes being tried in recent years.

I also find the frequent pitching changes kills the tempo of the game at times, no argument on that.
RE: One way to screw with analytics is to  
speedywheels : 10/17/2018 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14133575 HomerJones45 said:
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not go along with the assumptions. Dodgers set a lineup against Miley based on their analytics. Well, now that right handed lineup may not be as good against the right hander. next guy, and the right hander gave up 2 earned runs in 5 1/3 striking out 8. The Brewers didn't win but the tactic is a perfectly valid one.


It was a stupid tactic, and it unnecessarily taxed their pen.
RE: I get why some don’t like things like this  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/17/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14133630 mfsd said:
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But I find it a fascinating time in baseball. For a sport long bound by an arcane “book” of rules and traditions, it’s interesting to see so many strategic changes being tried in recent years.

I also find the frequent pitching changes kills the tempo of the game at times, no argument on that.


I'm torn. I always love when coaches try out innovative strategies and dismiss the idea the way things have always been done are the best way of doing those things. The "opener" and going with all-bullpen games is a great concept for teams that lack the quality starters. Why should teams place their fielders at evenly spaced out locations when certain batters don't hit to all fields evenly?

At the same time, constant pitching changes are awful to watch as a fan and cut into any momentum of excitement while watching the game. Also, the constant shits reduces the frequency of base hits and only further exacerbate the "three true outcomes" environment in today's game.

At the same time.
One can only imagine how well Kershaw would have done,  
Mad Mike : 10/17/2018 11:33 pm : link
if he hadn't gotten killed by his teammates.
Don't Know What this move was Trying to Accomplish --and an Old Memory  
varco : 10/18/2018 7:10 am : link
Unless teams use radically changed platoon lineups, why does a team burn an arm this early? Brings back a very distant memory....one game in the mid-1960's saw Herman Franks of the SF Giants start an ancient situation lefty (Bill Henry) against the Mets and pull him after one batter and replace him with a regular right handed starter. The opposing dug out (SF) was laughing hysterically ---I thought it was a prank against the Mets (either Stengel or Westrum was managing) to counter their right handed platoon line up. As bad as the Mets were at the time....there was no strategic advantage nor competitive reason. The other night was the first time since then I have seen this type of move. Very bizarre. Agree that the move was trying to be too cute. Give me the old time baseball (except that game I mentioned earlier), when starters fought to stay in games and routinely pitched into the seventh inning and beyond.
It is bush league  
5BowlsSoon : 10/18/2018 8:35 am : link
Brewers are such lame babies. Putting a LHP in order to get their right handed hitting lineup and then pulling him after one batter in order to now put your RHP in to face their right handed batters is BUSH and juvenile.

Some may think it is brilliant but it tarnishes the game with such stupidity. If you think it is SMART so be it.....it’s JUVENILE. I believe it is his way to admit his team is inferior so he has to find juvenile ways like that to even the score.
RE: RE: One way to screw with analytics is to  
YAJ2112 : 10/18/2018 8:36 am : link
In comment 14133632 speedywheels said:
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In comment 14133575 HomerJones45 said:


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not go along with the assumptions. Dodgers set a lineup against Miley based on their analytics. Well, now that right handed lineup may not be as good against the right hander. next guy, and the right hander gave up 2 earned runs in 5 1/3 striking out 8. The Brewers didn't win but the tactic is a perfectly valid one.



It was a stupid tactic, and it unnecessarily taxed their pen.


How did it unnecessarily tax their pen? Woodruff has been a starter, and he pitched 5 1/3. This wasn't a bullpen game, Woodruff was the planned pitcher all along by Milwaukie they just screwed with the Dodgers by starting Miley to get them to set a different lineup.
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