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NFT: 10/18 Knicks Chat: Impressive debut

LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/18/2018 6:27 am
Yeah yeah, it was against the Hawks.. who might be the worst team in the league. But this Knicks team there isn't the notion that they SHOULD be able to beat anyone. So it was nice to see an impressive win that will go along nicely with building up the teams confidence.

Couple notes:

-Biggest thing I noticed was the defensive intensity that hasn't been around in years. A lot of energy of guys flying around and actually closing out on 3's. Yeah there were some lapses, but the Knicks were impressive on D.

-Fizdale is breath of fresh air and looks to be the right pick for this team

-The Knicks shot 31 threes. Refreshing to see them adapt to modern NBA basketball

-49 points in the second quarter, a Knicks franchise record

-Michigan Men had a good game. Tim Hardaway Jr is your true definition of a Dr Jeckyll and Hyde player. He was wild and off at the very beginning. Then he DRIVES, makes a basket and goes off from there. Fiz should be coaching him to drive at every opportunity to help set up his rhythm. Can't stand his heat checks shot selection at times

-Kanter with a quiet double-double. He really is solid and can expect this from him night in and night out.

-Baker got 27 minutes. Dotson didn't even see the floor. I don't know why.

The Rookies

-Knox.. I was in the minority with not wanting him to start. I still feel that way. I think the Summer League really gave this kid big expectations he's not ready for yet. He's 19. Body language is still troubling. He needs to find ways to get involved without scoring. I think right now the NBA is a little too fast for him. I'm not worried about him though. Just bring him a long throughout the year.

-Robinson got a put back before re-aggravating his ankle. Didn't play after that. No word on him.

-Alonzo Trier:
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If there was one team to watch  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 7:58 am : link
That doesn’t involve your team is the Suns. Once they get the geezers of Anderson and ariza off the floor and play booker, Ayton, Jackson, and Warren.... they will be a ton of fun to watch.
RE: Yep...  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2018 7:59 am : link
In comment 14133752 M.S. said:
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...34 wins.


The Hawks are a truly awful team. I'm not crapping on the Knicks but that roster is really, really bad. The Knicks are going to really struggle this year. The Hawks happen to be awful.
RE: I  
Heisenberg : 10/18/2018 8:01 am : link
In comment 14133730 DanMetroMan said:
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still really dislike THjr's game. A lot of poor shots. Yeah when he's hot he can score but he's basically a non-moron JR Smith with similarly poor shot selection.

-I've been team Trier since day one and continue to be so. EVERYONE raves about how hard he's working. Just hope that continues once his role is settled. It means little but he doesn't sound like a knucklehead in interviews despite his rep.

-Kevin Knox is going to be more than fine but he sure looks like a guy who back in the "old days" would be a 2-3 year guy in school and come into the league ready to be very good

-Love Fizdale


“Allonzo Trier’s Dunk. I didn’t mean to celebrate, it was not good class on my part, but wow man, I’m still a fan of the game. And sometimes things happen in a game and you just go WHOA”


THJ is always gonna be a spotty and inconsistent shooter with bad defense. But he's at his best when he's running the break and so he actually fits pretty well with what Fizdale wants them to do.

Your point about Knox is spot on, IMO. You can see it in the difference between him and Trier. Trier is three years older at 22 with a lot more college experience. He just has a really good feel for what he does well offensively. Knox does not have that yet. He's a smart and hard working kid and will get there. I look forward to 22 year old Kevin Knox and where he might be then.
RE: RE: I thought the first half sucked for both teams  
Anakim : 10/18/2018 8:06 am : link
In comment 14133714 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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I'm not used to the Knicks being the less shitty team



First half? Or first quarter? Knicks went off in the second quarter


Quarter. Sorry.
I know it's early  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/18/2018 8:13 am : link
and both players have their careers to play out. But the Hawks are gonna regret trading away Doncic for Young.
Very small sample size  
Beezer : 10/18/2018 8:18 am : link
but I believe the Trier/John Starks comparison is realistic.
the 49 pts was 2nd in franchise history  
giants#1 : 10/18/2018 8:30 am : link
Clyde's rookie year they scored 53(?) once which is the record.
Wow  
TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2018 8:30 am : link
Was awesome watching last night. The team has a completely different feel under Fiz than Hornacek.

- Really impressed with Vonleh and Trier. Vonleh sure looks the part and Trier can really play.
- This will be a fun year. If you see Knox develop along with Trier and Mitch that’s the key. And if they can hit on one of the Vonleh/ Mario “projects” , this year is a huge success.
- They finally have some athleticism. Great to watch a team run and D up.
- Still disappointed in Franks offense. Just don’t see much game on that end.

The Hawks are going to struggle to win 20 games. Do they have one player who would start on another NBA team? I just don’t see it with Young. Thankfully he’s a not a Knick.
Knox just looked like he was trying to hard  
nygiants16 : 10/18/2018 8:53 am : link
trier looks like an absolute steal, very early still but damn, so who gets cut?

I said a couplenof weeks ago he ciuld be the guy who turns it around..

it seemed like everytimr hardaway started to chuck fizdale pulled him to the side and said attack..

burke was in control and picked his spots..

frank is thr anchor defensively..

kanter good on both ends
Lotta fun last night...  
Keith : 10/18/2018 8:53 am : link
1. I really like Burke. I know he sorta gets glanced over as a prospect, but I think he's got some really good upside.

2. Was nice to see the young guys get serious burn. THJR and Kanter were awesome.

3. Kanter's contract is unfortunate. He's such a good fit, both on and off the court for this team. He's very important for the development of these kids.

4. Atlanta sucks.

5. It's still gonna be a loooong season. Young kids will tire, guys will get banged up and we won't be playing ATL every night.

6. I think Ron Baker, while overpaid, will have a role in the NBA long term.

7. Love Fizdale.

8. Fizdale, after the game, pointed out that Ntilikina is already an elite defender and was singing his praises. We forget that he was drafted as a 3 year project. He's only gonna get better.
That dunk  
Keith : 10/18/2018 8:53 am : link
was freakin nuts by the way.
RE: Wow  
nygiants16 : 10/18/2018 8:54 am : link
In comment 14133784 TyreeHelmet said:
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Was awesome watching last night. The team has a completely different feel under Fiz than Hornacek.

- Really impressed with Vonleh and Trier. Vonleh sure looks the part and Trier can really play.
- This will be a fun year. If you see Knox develop along with Trier and Mitch that’s the key. And if they can hit on one of the Vonleh/ Mario “projects” , this year is a huge success.
- They finally have some athleticism. Great to watch a team run and D up.
- Still disappointed in Franks offense. Just don’t see much game on that end.

The Hawks are going to struggle to win 20 games. Do they have one player who would start on another NBA team? I just don’t see it with Young. Thankfully he’s a not a Knick.


i said that lasg night, how different the rebuild would feel with hornacek
I loved Vonleh last night.  
Heisenberg : 10/18/2018 9:05 am : link
He's a super rugged dude out there. He is bouncy and athletic too. Sets good screens. Played with lots of hustle. He already looks like an upgrade of KOQ.
RE: Knox just looked like he was trying to hard  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2018 9:09 am : link
In comment 14133816 nygiants16 said:
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trier looks like an absolute steal, very early still but damn, so who gets cut?

I said a couplenof weeks ago he ciuld be the guy who turns it around..

it seemed like everytimr hardaway started to chuck fizdale pulled him to the side and said attack..

burke was in control and picked his spots..

frank is thr anchor defensively..

kanter good on both ends


They have plenty of time to worry about Trier's spot.
I have full confidence in this regime too.  
Keith : 10/18/2018 9:12 am : link
Watching the press conference before the game with Mills, Fiz and Perry, they said a lot of really good things. I feel like they have a plan and they aren't going to deviate because of a shiny toy. They will not even consider moving draft picks either.
So  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2018 9:13 am : link
far there is very little to complain about in regard to the braintrust. The counter would be... THjr from Mills... yuck lol
Yeah,  
Keith : 10/18/2018 9:16 am : link
pre-Perry doesn't really count towards this regime, IMO.

Also, THJR has a bunch of games last night and we might find a taker.
Jeezus  
Ash_3 : 10/18/2018 9:24 am : link
we need to get rid of THJr. What a disaster of a player.
RE: Jeezus  
nygiants16 : 10/18/2018 9:25 am : link
In comment 14133889 Ash_3 said:
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we need to get rid of THJr. What a disaster of a player.


this isnt based off last night
RE: RE: Jeezus  
Earl the goat : 10/18/2018 9:28 am : link
In comment 14133893 nygiants16 said:
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we need to get rid of THJr. What a disaster of a player.



this isnt based off last night


So I’d love to hear your opinion of Houston basically picking up Melo in exchange for Ariza
Meaning they didn’t resign Ariza
I feel this will severely backfire in Houston’s face
Of course you know I’m not a Melo supporter
RE: RE: RE: Jeezus  
nygiants16 : 10/18/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 14133896 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 14133889 Ash_3 said:


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we need to get rid of THJr. What a disaster of a player.



this isnt based off last night



So I’d love to hear your opinion of Houston basically picking up Melo in exchange for Ariza
Meaning they didn’t resign Ariza
I feel this will severely backfire in Houston’s face
Of course you know I’m not a Melo supporter


they are idiots
RE: RE: Jeezus  
Ash_3 : 10/18/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 14133893 nygiants16 said:
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we need to get rid of THJr. What a disaster of a player.



this isnt based off last night


Yep, of course not. But the occasional great game from a thoroughly mediocre player is a dangerous thing. Kanter is similarly risky in this regard.
RE: I loved Vonleh last night.  
NYDCBlue : 10/18/2018 9:57 am : link
In comment 14133835 Heisenberg said:
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He's a super rugged dude out there. He is bouncy and athletic too. Sets good screens. Played with lots of hustle. He already looks like an upgrade of KOQ.


Meanwhile, heaven help us if Kanter ever gets hurt. Who starts at Center then? Vonleh is not tall enough... Luke Kornet??? We still have a desperate need for a guy like KOQ or even the Beaser.
Harry Giles managed to be -23 in 9 minutes  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2018 10:02 am : link
That's pretty hard to do.

Knox looked like a nervous teenager making his NBA debut. Still flashed some nice skills.
Watched some of those highlights from Houston....  
Keith : 10/18/2018 10:03 am : link
Melo had a brutal game on both sides of the court. Melo doin Melo things. It's a little sad that I find enjoyment in that.
GS should not worry about Houston  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 10:10 am : link
Melo will infect that team to more suckitude. Worst defender in the NBA and takes terrible shots.

I think as long as GS stays healthy, they may sweep a few series into the finals.
i watchdd some of the mavs game  
nygiants16 : 10/18/2018 10:12 am : link
only 1 game but mavs were so much better with the ball in doncic hands..
RE: Watched some of those highlights from Houston....  
nygiants16 : 10/18/2018 10:13 am : link
In comment 14133963 Keith said:
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Melo had a brutal game on both sides of the court. Melo doin Melo things. It's a little sad that I find enjoyment in that.


i think they implode, lost their 2 best defenders and harden, paul and melo all iso
Losing Kanter wouldn't be the end of the world.  
JustaDiscussion : 10/18/2018 10:14 am : link
Robinson is already better imo and he'll get even better after he trains for strength and durability and if he can drastically improve his free throws.

It's actually impressive how the Knicks have assembled so many guys who have a chance to go off offensively. THjr, Burke, Trier, Mario, Knox, etc. They are all streaky so far, but if two or three go off per game we may be surprised at the outcome.

I often defended Hornacek last year claiming that it was more of a lack of talent than poor coaching. While I still believe that to a degree, I do have to say that the hustle and style that Fizdale has inspired so far from this game and the preseason is very fun to watch.
Robinson  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2018 10:17 am : link
is not better than Kanter right now c'mon lol
pelicans looked awesome  
hitdog42 : 10/18/2018 10:17 am : link
hawks taking young instead of donicic terrible
jarret allen also hit 2 corner 3s--- guy has the goods
melo looked awful- harden looked angry on the court-
nuggets are deep
Fox looked excellent for sactown
Mirotic  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 10:23 am : link
has flourished once Thibs left.

Another example of Thibs holding a player back.
Yeah, Dan I'm being a bit too Hyperbolic  
JustaDiscussion : 10/18/2018 10:23 am : link
Though, I do like Robinson's defense much better than Kanter's already. Granted, Robinson still fouls too much at this point. I was just trying to point out that if Robinson could stay on the floor it would mitigate a Kanter injury.
RE: i watchdd some of the mavs game  
Mike in NJ : 10/18/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 14133984 nygiants16 said:
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only 1 game but mavs were so much better with the ball in doncic hands..


Doncic had an off night shooting, but he definitely flashes as a passer and a play maker. Dennis Smith on the other hand....I think he is one of those guys that even though he may have nights that look good on the highlight reel and "on paper," is going to be an overall negative when it comes to winning basketball games. He is atrocious defensively and seems like a me first player on offense.
NBA  
TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2018 10:27 am : link
-I know its only game 1 of their rookie years, but I cannot believe the Hawks passing on Doncic for Trae Young. Maybe they get a superstar from the pick next year but Doncic looks like a star and I just dont see it with Young. Incredibly risky move for a first year GM. They should make the Hawks the Seattle Sonics...

-The Kings are a complete joke. I can't believe either Philly or Boston is getting their pick this year. If the Knicks want to trade THJ, thats the team that should be targeted. He would actually fit their needs and they have cap space and expirings.

- Pretty excited about Friday night. Would love to seem them beat the Culture Nets.

RE: Yeah, Dan I'm being a bit too Hyperbolic  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2018 10:27 am : link
In comment 14134007 JustaDiscussion said:
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Though, I do like Robinson's defense much better than Kanter's already. Granted, Robinson still fouls too much at this point. I was just trying to point out that if Robinson could stay on the floor it would mitigate a Kanter injury.


I don't even particularly love Kanter but Robinson would be eaten alive playing 30 minutes per night right now. Robinson has impressive talent no doubt.
on the culture point  
hitdog42 : 10/18/2018 10:31 am : link
knicks fans do realize that the team is watchable now because of the culture change? and style change? which is basically what depressed nets fans have been referencing--- its fun to watch your team even if they lose when the style is pleasing and the team is in it together.
so your welcome again for making culture great again.

now if only the football team....
RE: Yeah, Dan I'm being a bit too Hyperbolic  
nygiants16 : 10/18/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 14134007 JustaDiscussion said:
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Though, I do like Robinson's defense much better than Kanter's already. Granted, Robinson still fouls too much at this point. I was just trying to point out that if Robinson could stay on the floor it would mitigate a Kanter injury.


the only thing robinsonbnb is better at is shot blocking...
gotta respect Lance's commitment  
Enzo : 10/18/2018 10:42 am : link
to lighting up the box score. 16 minutes: 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals. But he managed to block a shot!
RE: Harry Giles managed to be -23 in 9 minutes  
Anakim : 10/18/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 14133958 Greg from LI said:
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That's pretty hard to do.

Knox looked like a nervous teenager making his NBA debut. Still flashed some nice skills.


Mudiay for Giles
How bout that Frank stat MSG showed?  
bceagle05 : 10/18/2018 11:05 am : link
Fourth overall in defensive rating when he's on the court, 28th overall when he's off the court. Hope his shooting percentages rise a bit, because he's a difference-maker.
RE: How bout that Frank stat MSG showed?  
Anakim : 10/18/2018 11:17 am : link
In comment 14134083 bceagle05 said:
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Fourth overall in defensive rating when he's on the court, 28th overall when he's off the court. Hope his shooting percentages rise a bit, because he's a difference-maker.


He definitely seems to be a lot more confident, which is good to see. Too many times last year he looked hesitant and unsure. He would almost always pass on an open jumpshot or even an easy layup.
RE: RE: Harry Giles managed to be -23 in 9 minutes  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 14134034 Anakim said:
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That's pretty hard to do.

Knox looked like a nervous teenager making his NBA debut. Still flashed some nice skills.



Mudiay for Giles


lol
Nets up next, in Brooklyn tomorrow night -  
Del Shofner : 10/18/2018 11:43 am : link
should be a better test than the Hawks were. Nets have a couple of guys banged up but they kept it close against Detroit last night.
RE: Nets up next, in Brooklyn tomorrow night -  
Giantology : 10/18/2018 11:47 am : link
In comment 14134144 Del Shofner said:
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should be a better test than the Hawks were. Nets have a couple of guys banged up but they kept it close against Detroit last night.


We are gonna blow em out. 82 and 0 baby!
RE: I know it's early  
djm : 10/18/2018 11:58 am : link
In comment 14133766 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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and both players have their careers to play out. But the Hawks are gonna regret trading away Doncic for Young.


I’m not convinced that young won’t be a special player. Matter of fact I think he will be damn good before all is said n done. He’s got a quick release and nba range, with room to spare. He’s not afraid to drive into the paint either. With that said I’d have probably taken doncic or someone else because of young’s liabilities.

Young is small and a mediocre athlete  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2018 12:15 pm : link
And not nearly as good a shooter as a lot of people seem to think. He is an excellent passer, but his ceiling is solid NBA starter, I think.
long article on Allonzo Trier from the NYT in 2009 -  
Del Shofner : 10/18/2018 7:27 pm : link
yes, 2009, when Trier was in 6th grade but already known in the basketball world. I saw this on the Knicks forum and thought you guys would find it interesting.
Trier as a 6th-grader - ( New Window )
Okay then...  
Anakim : 10/18/2018 9:30 pm : link
'Enes Kanter, New York Knicks Center and boyfriend to current WWE superstar Dana Brooke, was recently interviewed by Vice Sports. During the interview, he expressed his desire to join the WWE when his basketball playing days are over.

“I’m actually talking to the people over there now. Vince McMahon, he knows me,” Kanter told Vice. “I had dinner with [Paul Heyman] two, three days ago. I asked him how long he’s gonna do this and he said ‘as long as Brock [Lesnar] goes, I go, and then I’m with you.’ I’m like yes! Seriously. I’m really serious about it.”
I really think you guys are way too tough or worried about hardaway  
djm : 10/19/2018 12:37 pm : link
He’s a decent player making decent SG money. Is he really any worse or less valuable than a guy like Jamal Crawford? We obsessed about dumping his salary and then we did and watched him flourish for ten more years on playoff teams.

I don’t see the concern with the cap and hardaway until the day comes where we lose out on a better player because of his salary slot. Even then, there are ways to skin a cat and that day isn’t here yet. Hardaway carries himself like a pro and plays like one. He’s not Clyde drexler, fine. He’s not a broken down slob either.
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