I don't care when Lauletta was drafted or where he went to school. He is young, cost controlled, and under contract. We should be seeing what we have in him now.
If he's a dumpster fire and the experience destroys his confidence, so what? We didn't invest much in him anyway, and this season is already a dumpster fire. If he plays well, then maybe we don't feel the need to invest resources at QB this offseason. Either way, it doesn't hurt us.
But we should at least find out. He should be playing now.
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
Not sure Eli would be amenable to splitting practice reps.
The Giants will not be competitive again during Eli's career here. It is over. We are gaining nothing and learning nothing by playing Eli.
Yes but this has nothing to do with what makes sense imo. Its about the FO and mgmt basically having to do a 180 and fess up to the HUGE mistake they made bringing Eli back with this team. The roster construction has been a joke and benching Eli puts a stamp on that.
They also dont want empty stadiums at halftime with al lthe games being blowouts. Eli gives them a "competitive" face of we haven't given up (even though they have).
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
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I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
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That timeline sounds reasonable...as long as it happens.
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I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
This is literally what the original post was about and you started twisting it into “everyone wants Lauletta playing now”
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is whether KL can play QB in the NFL and whether he has more than just backup ability.
It’s not to turnaround the season.
So let’s keep it real...
Why? To prove he's a backup? Who cares? The chances of him being anything more than a backup are microscopic.
If anything, the whole concept of spending a 3rd or 4th rounder on a "developmental" qb is a waste of a draft pick. You are better off letting other teams waste the draft pick and then pick these guys up off the waiver wire to be a backup when they get cut.
Do you think Kyle wants a chance to start sooner or later? Do you think he wants anyone's protection from developing David Carr syndrome? I am sure he wants a chance, the sooner the better. This garbage from people claiming they want to protect Lauletta and keep Eli starting is biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Kyle, I am sure, would like to start as many games as possible before the Giants draft next year. We should oblige. I know what is so scary. If Lauletta, 3rd round pick with a supposed noodle arm, steps in and looks good after a few games, with the same exact OL, it is going to make a lot of people look really fucking stupid. This includes our GM and coach who believe Eli has years left.
Sometimes you spend a 4th on a developmental project because he he has the tools to be a decent, cost-controlled backup. Ideally they have upside which could make them a starter someday. Getting an experienced backup is more costly and usually gets you no closer to winning.
Putting Lauletta in makes sense because it will at least let the coaches see if the issues are exactly the same with him as Eli, or if he can mitigate some of the issues. Bottom line is that you have a player who isn't playing well and going to a backup should not be different at the QB position than it is anywhere else, especially in a lost season.
I'm fine with putting him in whenever they are ready to. Â
I may have been Lauletta's biggest advocate pre-draft, because I felt he was pro-ready. Still do.
FWIW I want to tell you that, even we are often on the other side of these discussions, I do remember that you were completely fine with drafting a QB over Barkley, as long as the team believed in the QB, you said it over and and over. I also remember you talking about Kyle being pro ready. You often get misrepresented and trolled. When I am speaking in general about people on the other side of this whole Eli thing, I am never referring to you unless I quote you directly.
Do you think Kyle wants a chance to start sooner or later? Do you think he wants anyone's protection from developing David Carr syndrome? I am sure he wants a chance, the sooner the better. This garbage from people claiming they want to protect Lauletta and keep Eli starting is biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Kyle, I am sure, would like to start as many games as possible before the Giants draft next year. We should oblige. I know what is so scary. If Lauletta, 3rd round pick with a supposed noodle arm, steps in and looks good after a few games, with the same exact OL, it is going to make a lot of people look really fucking stupid. This includes our GM and coach who believe Eli has years left.
I think you nailed all of the salient points there - well done.
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I may have been Lauletta's biggest advocate pre-draft, because I felt he was pro-ready. Still do.
FWIW I want to tell you that, even we are often on the other side of these discussions, I do remember that you were completely fine with drafting a QB over Barkley, as long as the team believed in the QB, you said it over and and over. I also remember you talking about Kyle being pro ready. You often get misrepresented and trolled. When I am speaking in general about people on the other side of this whole Eli thing, I am never referring to you unless I quote you directly.
I appreciate you saying that, and I do feel that I am misrepresented often, but I allow myself to be trolled, that's on me. But I do feel like I am often misrepresented. Thanks.
Do you think Kyle wants a chance to start sooner or later? Do you think he wants anyone's protection from developing David Carr syndrome? I am sure he wants a chance, the sooner the better. This garbage from people claiming they want to protect Lauletta and keep Eli starting is biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Kyle, I am sure, would like to start as many games as possible before the Giants draft next year. We should oblige. I know what is so scary. If Lauletta, 3rd round pick with a supposed noodle arm, steps in and looks good after a few games, with the same exact OL, it is going to make a lot of people look really fucking stupid. This includes our GM and coach who believe Eli has years left.
You mean the same GM and HC that drafted Lauretta, right? How the hell would Lauletta succeeding make them look “fucking stupid”? Do you morons ever think before you post?
Do you think Kyle wants a chance to start sooner or later? Do you think he wants anyone's protection from developing David Carr syndrome? I am sure he wants a chance, the sooner the better. This garbage from people claiming they want to protect Lauletta and keep Eli starting is biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Kyle, I am sure, would like to start as many games as possible before the Giants draft next year. We should oblige. I know what is so scary. If Lauletta, 3rd round pick with a supposed noodle arm, steps in and looks good after a few games, with the same exact OL, it is going to make a lot of people look really fucking stupid. This includes our GM and coach who believe Eli has years left.
You mean the same GM and HC that drafted Lauretta, right? How the hell would Lauletta succeeding make them look “fucking stupid”? Do you morons ever think before you post?
I will use small words for you. The GM can look for good drafting a quality player in the 3rd round and look fucking stupid for using 1 single game as evidence that Eli still has it and planned our season around that belief. The second part was a much more important decision than the 3rd round pick.
People here complain that Eli is done because he has "David Carr Syndrome" but yet we want to throw a rookie 3rd string QB in there cause we have to see him play behind a terrible OL?
Where is the sense in that? lol
This comment doesn't make any sense. David Carr flamed out because he got sacked about 180 times over the course of his rookie contract, not because he got sacked a couple of times and just couldn't handle it.
Eli's playing like David Carr because he's been playing behind a garbage offensive line for six years.
- it is unlikely that lauletta is a good NFL qb. Ever
- it is possible, even likely imo, that our offense performs better with lauletta at qb this year
- shurmur might not have the stones to make the move. I'm sure he saw what happens last time and knows that Eli is willing and able to take his case all the way to the top
- it seems that there are some people here that are very worried about the possibility of lauletta getting to play because of what it might reveal
- from an organisational perspective, he has to play sometime this year. I know there are some fans who think the giants should be a society dedicated to the enrichment and glorification of Eli manning, but hopefully the actual people running the team have a broader view. But it is possible that they don't
- I do hope that Eli gets 1 home game where everything is clicking and we put up huge numbers and absolutely steamroll somebody before he hangs them up. Ideally a divisional opponent. I would like to see him get cheered off the field for perforance, rather than solely for historical reasons
No one is going to be able to give me a single good reason why Lauletta shouldn't be playing after the bye week barring some miraculous turnaround before it (not happening)
One of two things happen.
Lauletta sucks, we keep losing, and we know he's not part of any solution and take a QB at the top of the draft in April
or..
Lauletta actually looks competent and like someone we can work with and we decide to stick with him.
He needs to play. They need to get him up to speed. I'm not saying right now. But the post-bye game is about a month away. They should be doing everything they can now to prep him to play then if things keep going this way.
We need to have an idea of what we have there and this is an ideal season to get him reps.
If Laulleta can't run a functional offense, it doesn't help Shurmur assess himself, the system and the other 15 or so players who aren't a lock next year.
Knowing what we know about Webb. Do you think he him playing last year was a benifit to anyone?
I'd wager he would have fallen to pieces, and not shed light on Mcadoo or anyone's future ability.
In 1999 Trent Green got hurt and Kurt Warner was dropped into a weaponed up Rams O and made history because he could get the balls to the weapons. Eli has great weapons now and hasn’t been particularly good at getting the ball to them. I actually like Lauletta’s upside, and would like to see him get a chance.
Eli is 4-18 behind this OL, how can anyone make the argument that he gives us the best chance to win? If he does, we suck worse than I thought possible. Most of us have played sports, some us have played football. Losing sucks. If you were on this team, you would want to see someone else for a decent stretch of time to see if the team could play better. You would be like, "put Odell behind center if you want, it can't get any worse, try something." I think there is a far greater chance of losing the team by continuing to trot Eli out there with the same results. They would expect the young guy to get better at some point, so the pain could be worth the suffering. Eli is not getting better at this stage of his career. He will get worse. Everyone knows this except some of BBI, Gettleman & Mara. Shurmur knows now, we heard him on the sideline.
watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.
watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.
watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.
You are engaging in an act of faith. There is nothing factual indicating that Lauletta would make anyone better at anything just as their wasn't with Webb for whom many of the same quick-fix cast and crew here worshiped at the altar-conveniently forgotten in the Lauletta debate by the way.
As for Keenum, it took him 5 years with multiple teams to develop into a below league-average starter. He rode his one good year last season to a big contract with Elway who hasn't exactly been an infallible judge of qb's. Good for Keenum. Not a plan for a team.
We are drafting a qb #1 this season: get it through your heads. Other than furnishing some of you with a source of entertainment, Lauletta is a nothing and is highly likely to remain a nothing.
yes, agreed... KL is nothing more than "I'd like to see what is there".
If we have a shot a potential franchise QB in next year's draft I am all in...
Do not think I am all in on the "Lauletta as our future QB" train. What I am saying I would rather watch him play for the Giants in 2018/19 than Eli at this point.
There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
No one wants to do that. The question now is, why isn't Lauletta getting first team reps?
Oh, I don't know; maybe it's because he's a 1-AA QB who is 6 games into his NFL career? They weren't going to change anything until they became toast. And the reality was, they were still "in" it until they lost to PHI last week, given how the NFCE has unperformed so far this year.
So there really was no reason to give him 1st team reps. Now? Sure, make sense to do it, and hopefully they will.
There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
Why does where he went to school matter at this point? Â
I think Lauletta represents a huge opportunity for this franchise. If we learn this year that he can play, the whole near future picture changes for the better (more cap space and a blue chip prospect at another position).
This season's top priority ha to be knowing what we have in Lauletta.
There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
Oh absolutely? No QB is getting shell-shocked in 8 or 9 games. It took David Carr like two or three seasons and over 100 sacks before he was irreparably damaged. What QB do you know of that was shell-shocked after half a season? If so, he never had what it took to be a good QB to begin with.
RE: Why does where he went to school matter at this point? Â
I think Lauletta represents a huge opportunity for this franchise. If we learn this year that he can play, the whole near future picture changes for the better (more cap space and a blue chip prospect at another position).
This season's top priority ha to be knowing what we have in Lauletta.
It matters because it's not a top program. Carson Wentz is the anomaly re playing well right out of the gate from a smaller, non FCS school. And even then, he played for a program that won what, 5 titles in a row? Lauletta played for a program that didn't have much success and where his stats weren't overly impressive.
He was drafted with the idea he would sit the first year and get acclimated to the pro game and learn from Eli; the hope was that NYG would be somewhat competitive, obviously that's not the case. So hopefully he gets 1st team reps sooner rather than later and gets into games after the bye
There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
Oh absolutely? No QB is getting shell-shocked in 8 or 9 games. It took David Carr like two or three seasons and over 100 sacks before he was irreparably damaged. What QB do you know of that was shell-shocked after half a season? If so, he never had what it took to be a good QB to begin with.
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
With this offensive line - and the lack of command of an offense a rookie has 6 games into the season - it wouldn't surprise me if Lauletta got sacked 50+ times when he finally gets in there, even as mobile as he is (mobile guys can get sacked a lot, just look at what happened to Mariota).
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
No he wasn't. Thats absurd. The Texans even decided to extend him for three years after he'd been playing for them from 2002 - 2005. They gave up on him the next year.
QB's don't get shell-shocked in 9 games. Like I said, if thats all it takes to ruin you - you never had what it takes to begin with.
Throwing him put there because we want to see what he is does make sense. Waiting until we're 2-12 and many of our starters are on IR does not.
Carson Wentz was a 1-AA QB.
He's a quarterback on the roster. He should be ready to play now. If he isn't, our coaches are failing (which would not surprise me).
Much like Webb, he was picked to be a developmental QB. Reese said Webb was probably going to sit 2-3 YEARS, yet fans clamored for him to play last year when you and I both know he sucked balls. Its rinse and repeat this year.
Throwing a player out there who is not ready doesnt make sense. This is a 4th round rookie QB who played I-AA. If we had an experience backup with McCown or Fitz or whoeever - yes, make the move now. If we had a 1st rounder we just drafted, then yes make the move.
If Lauletta is ready to start, then start him next week - I agree. But if he isnt, there is no shame in sitting him until he is ready.
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
Moreover, it's impossible to demonstrate. You might as well argue ghosts exist. If a player is fragile enough to have their career derailed in 8-9 games due to mental anguish from getting sacked, then he wasn't actually a legitimate prospect.
This thread made me laugh... it’s all 100% meaningless because Â
the Giants are going to have a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft and this time they are selecting a QB. And there isn’t anything Lauletta could show that would change that.
That doesn’t mean Lauletta shouldn’t play this year. He’s still a player the Giants hope to develop over the next few years. But it is just naive to believe there is anything Lauletta is likely to do to convince the Giants to forego selecting a QB with a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft.
I don't care when Lauletta was drafted or where he went to school. He is young, cost controlled, and under contract. We should be seeing what we have in him now.
If he's a dumpster fire and the experience destroys his confidence, so what? We didn't invest much in him anyway, and this season is already a dumpster fire. If he plays well, then maybe we don't feel the need to invest resources at QB this offseason. Either way, it doesn't hurt us.
But we should at least find out. He should be playing now.
Lauletta is in all probability a waste of time who isn't going to stop us from spending a #1 pick on a qb.
The probability says you are right. Just like the probability says the season is likely over. And the probability says Eli is done.
So what exactly do we have to lose? An even more wretched product?
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otherwise it would never happen.
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
Not sure Eli would be amenable to splitting practice reps.
Yes but this has nothing to do with what makes sense imo. Its about the FO and mgmt basically having to do a 180 and fess up to the HUGE mistake they made bringing Eli back with this team. The roster construction has been a joke and benching Eli puts a stamp on that.
They also dont want empty stadiums at halftime with al lthe games being blowouts. Eli gives them a "competitive" face of we haven't given up (even though they have).
That was Reese's quote about Webb, showing truly how awful he was as a GM.
Davis Webb playing QB is equivalent as you are as a poster.
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sit for 2-3 years by design is idiotic. That means you essentially wasted the pick since by the time they are "ready" to play they'll be a FA.
That was Reese's quote about Webb, showing truly how awful he was as a GM.
I think that quote was more about Eli than it was about Webb
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otherwise it would never happen.
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
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otherwise it would never happen.
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
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That timeline sounds reasonable...as long as it happens.
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otherwise it would never happen.
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
This is literally what the original post was about and you started twisting it into “everyone wants Lauletta playing now”
It’s not to turnaround the season.
So let’s keep it real...
If anything, the whole concept of spending a 3rd or 4th rounder on a "developmental" qb is a waste of a draft pick. You are better off letting other teams waste the draft pick and then pick these guys up off the waiver wire to be a backup when they get cut.
Putting Lauletta in makes sense because it will at least let the coaches see if the issues are exactly the same with him as Eli, or if he can mitigate some of the issues. Bottom line is that you have a player who isn't playing well and going to a backup should not be different at the QB position than it is anywhere else, especially in a lost season.
I think you nailed all of the salient points there - well done.
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I may have been Lauletta's biggest advocate pre-draft, because I felt he was pro-ready. Still do.
FWIW I want to tell you that, even we are often on the other side of these discussions, I do remember that you were completely fine with drafting a QB over Barkley, as long as the team believed in the QB, you said it over and and over. I also remember you talking about Kyle being pro ready. You often get misrepresented and trolled. When I am speaking in general about people on the other side of this whole Eli thing, I am never referring to you unless I quote you directly.
I appreciate you saying that, and I do feel that I am misrepresented often, but I allow myself to be trolled, that's on me. But I do feel like I am often misrepresented. Thanks.
You mean the same GM and HC that drafted Lauretta, right? How the hell would Lauletta succeeding make them look “fucking stupid”? Do you morons ever think before you post?
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Do you think Kyle wants a chance to start sooner or later? Do you think he wants anyone's protection from developing David Carr syndrome? I am sure he wants a chance, the sooner the better. This garbage from people claiming they want to protect Lauletta and keep Eli starting is biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Kyle, I am sure, would like to start as many games as possible before the Giants draft next year. We should oblige. I know what is so scary. If Lauletta, 3rd round pick with a supposed noodle arm, steps in and looks good after a few games, with the same exact OL, it is going to make a lot of people look really fucking stupid. This includes our GM and coach who believe Eli has years left.
You mean the same GM and HC that drafted Lauretta, right? How the hell would Lauletta succeeding make them look “fucking stupid”? Do you morons ever think before you post?
he's been right for ripping this franchise
Where is the sense in that? lol
This comment doesn't make any sense. David Carr flamed out because he got sacked about 180 times over the course of his rookie contract, not because he got sacked a couple of times and just couldn't handle it.
Eli's playing like David Carr because he's been playing behind a garbage offensive line for six years.
- it is unlikely that lauletta is a good NFL qb. Ever
- it is possible, even likely imo, that our offense performs better with lauletta at qb this year
- shurmur might not have the stones to make the move. I'm sure he saw what happens last time and knows that Eli is willing and able to take his case all the way to the top
- it seems that there are some people here that are very worried about the possibility of lauletta getting to play because of what it might reveal
- from an organisational perspective, he has to play sometime this year. I know there are some fans who think the giants should be a society dedicated to the enrichment and glorification of Eli manning, but hopefully the actual people running the team have a broader view. But it is possible that they don't
- I do hope that Eli gets 1 home game where everything is clicking and we put up huge numbers and absolutely steamroll somebody before he hangs them up. Ideally a divisional opponent. I would like to see him get cheered off the field for perforance, rather than solely for historical reasons
One of two things happen.
Lauletta sucks, we keep losing, and we know he's not part of any solution and take a QB at the top of the draft in April
or..
Lauletta actually looks competent and like someone we can work with and we decide to stick with him.
He needs to play. They need to get him up to speed. I'm not saying right now. But the post-bye game is about a month away. They should be doing everything they can now to prep him to play then if things keep going this way.
We need to have an idea of what we have there and this is an ideal season to get him reps.
If Laulleta can't run a functional offense, it doesn't help Shurmur assess himself, the system and the other 15 or so players who aren't a lock next year.
Knowing what we know about Webb. Do you think he him playing last year was a benifit to anyone?
I'd wager he would have fallen to pieces, and not shed light on Mcadoo or anyone's future ability.
and so are you. you and ranaan have no clue as to what the Giants are doing with Lauletta
watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.
watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.
watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.
As for Keenum, it took him 5 years with multiple teams to develop into a below league-average starter. He rode his one good year last season to a big contract with Elway who hasn't exactly been an infallible judge of qb's. Good for Keenum. Not a plan for a team.
We are drafting a qb #1 this season: get it through your heads. Other than furnishing some of you with a source of entertainment, Lauletta is a nothing and is highly likely to remain a nothing.
If we have a shot a potential franchise QB in next year's draft I am all in...
Do not think I am all in on the "Lauletta as our future QB" train. What I am saying I would rather watch him play for the Giants in 2018/19 than Eli at this point.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
No one wants to do that. The question now is, why isn't Lauletta getting first team reps?
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
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There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
No one wants to do that. The question now is, why isn't Lauletta getting first team reps?
Oh, I don't know; maybe it's because he's a 1-AA QB who is 6 games into his NFL career? They weren't going to change anything until they became toast. And the reality was, they were still "in" it until they lost to PHI last week, given how the NFCE has unperformed so far this year.
So there really was no reason to give him 1st team reps. Now? Sure, make sense to do it, and hopefully they will.
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There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
I think Lauletta represents a huge opportunity for this franchise. If we learn this year that he can play, the whole near future picture changes for the better (more cap space and a blue chip prospect at another position).
This season's top priority ha to be knowing what we have in Lauletta.
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There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
Oh absolutely? No QB is getting shell-shocked in 8 or 9 games. It took David Carr like two or three seasons and over 100 sacks before he was irreparably damaged. What QB do you know of that was shell-shocked after half a season? If so, he never had what it took to be a good QB to begin with.
I think Lauletta represents a huge opportunity for this franchise. If we learn this year that he can play, the whole near future picture changes for the better (more cap space and a blue chip prospect at another position).
This season's top priority ha to be knowing what we have in Lauletta.
It matters because it's not a top program. Carson Wentz is the anomaly re playing well right out of the gate from a smaller, non FCS school. And even then, he played for a program that won what, 5 titles in a row? Lauletta played for a program that didn't have much success and where his stats weren't overly impressive.
He was drafted with the idea he would sit the first year and get acclimated to the pro game and learn from Eli; the hope was that NYG would be somewhat competitive, obviously that's not the case. So hopefully he gets 1st team reps sooner rather than later and gets into games after the bye
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There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
Oh absolutely? No QB is getting shell-shocked in 8 or 9 games. It took David Carr like two or three seasons and over 100 sacks before he was irreparably damaged. What QB do you know of that was shell-shocked after half a season? If so, he never had what it took to be a good QB to begin with.
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
With this offensive line - and the lack of command of an offense a rookie has 6 games into the season - it wouldn't surprise me if Lauletta got sacked 50+ times when he finally gets in there, even as mobile as he is (mobile guys can get sacked a lot, just look at what happened to Mariota).
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
No he wasn't. Thats absurd. The Texans even decided to extend him for three years after he'd been playing for them from 2002 - 2005. They gave up on him the next year.
QB's don't get shell-shocked in 9 games. Like I said, if thats all it takes to ruin you - you never had what it takes to begin with.
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Throwing him put there because we want to see what he is does make sense. Waiting until we're 2-12 and many of our starters are on IR does not.
Carson Wentz was a 1-AA QB.
He's a quarterback on the roster. He should be ready to play now. If he isn't, our coaches are failing (which would not surprise me).
Much like Webb, he was picked to be a developmental QB. Reese said Webb was probably going to sit 2-3 YEARS, yet fans clamored for him to play last year when you and I both know he sucked balls. Its rinse and repeat this year.
Throwing a player out there who is not ready doesnt make sense. This is a 4th round rookie QB who played I-AA. If we had an experience backup with McCown or Fitz or whoeever - yes, make the move now. If we had a 1st rounder we just drafted, then yes make the move.
If Lauletta is ready to start, then start him next week - I agree. But if he isnt, there is no shame in sitting him until he is ready.
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
Moreover, it's impossible to demonstrate. You might as well argue ghosts exist. If a player is fragile enough to have their career derailed in 8-9 games due to mental anguish from getting sacked, then he wasn't actually a legitimate prospect.
That doesn’t mean Lauletta shouldn’t play this year. He’s still a player the Giants hope to develop over the next few years. But it is just naive to believe there is anything Lauletta is likely to do to convince the Giants to forego selecting a QB with a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft.
They won't bench Eli for Tanney, that's a tank move and the FO cannot admit to that.
Eli will start for the rest of the year. And likely next year as well. Its not the right move but here we are.
Eli has become a living institution in NY. He will continue playing and losing for the next 2 years, earning over $1 million for each and every loss.0