after the bye Lauletta becomes #2. Then with like 4-5 games left he gets a some starts or at least comes in the 2nd half of games.
Thats when I think well see Kyle. Would be a travesty to let Kyle sit the entire year on the bench with a clipboard on a 3-4 win team while running scout all week
The only place he can be moved is to the bench. We arent going to just cut him and no team is going to trade him. And to be honest I dont think theres a team out there that would sign him even if we cut him.
Last year with Webb or this year with Laulleta (sp?).
But I think when you look back to last year it was very obvious Webb should have been the backup on game day. There were several blowouts that he could have been brought in just to get his feet wet and at the end of a lost season, he should have been brought in, in the second half, to see what he has, or doesnt have. Hard to look back on last year and see it any differently.
Yet, here we are in the exact same situation. And our rookie is 3rd string, inactive on game day. Not sure how you could see this as anything but a mistake. New GM, new coaching staff, yet somehow the same baffling decision to protect Eli.
He has "no trade" clause control over his short term
was to Denver last offseason, and suspect NYG asking price was too high ... not to mention, Eli has no trade control.
No trade control? I thought he did. Perhaps no more?
Jon just meant clause instead of control. A NTC doesn't get waived arbitrarily over the duration of the contract. A NTC just means that a trade can't happen without Eli's permission.
Can he ever form a thought outside the QB position or OBJ?
Why is this controversial? We all know whats coming.
Writing an article about the same topic 25 different ways means its shitty. How about we talk about some of the other problems on the team rather than QB and OBJ's antics. How about we start to question some of the FA moves. The inability of the defense to get stops on 3rd down. Play calling where our 4th string TE is the first read.
Is Ranaan so desperate for clicks he can only concentrate on just two areas?
If he doesn't start a game this season, this organization is
If Laulleta is as far off as Webb was last year (proven by his pre-season and exit) -- we're not seeing him for a while.
If it's plainly obvious he's not ready, what are you learning bringing a guy in who can't operate the offense?
Some of you are going to shit, but the Giants might very well bring in Tanney. It's the only way Shurmur and Gettleman can evaluate the offense with or without Manning.
If Tanney can tread water similarly to Manning in this offense, that makes moving on very easy.
running the scout team than getting 3-4 snaps as the designated #2. I would not read much into this.
If the Giants hit the bye week at 2-6 or 1-7. Then we will see changes rather quickly. If my some miracle they are at 3-5 at the bye...I think Eli stays the starter for at least a few more games after the bye.
was to Denver last offseason, and suspect NYG asking price was too high ... not to mention, Eli has no trade control.
Their asking price is always too high. Ridiculously high. That's why this team hasn't traded down in the draft since Accorsi did so the year we drafted Kiwi. Reese never traded down. In any round.
As far as Eli's no trade clause, he should have been told to go to Denver, or he'd be cut. The FO wrongly concluded that Eli had three or four years left. That's why they overspent for Solder. Eli is likely done, and there was plenty of evidence before this season that was true. Eli isn't the only problem. The OL is worse. But he can't move at all, and misses throws even when there is no pressure.
Can he ever form a thought outside the QB position or OBJ?
Why is this controversial? We all know whats coming.
Writing an article about the same topic 25 different ways means its shitty. How about we talk about some of the other problems on the team rather than QB and OBJ's antics. How about we start to question some of the FA moves. The inability of the defense to get stops on 3rd down. Play calling where our 4th string TE is the first read.
Is Ranaan so desperate for clicks he can only concentrate on just two areas?
Because only one of those things can be changed, and its going to happen whether you want it to or not
Of rookies starting this year. Are they far more advanced than Lauletta in terms of being able to read a defense?
Hopefully we get a chance to see him start this year. The season is a write off and the offense can barely break 20 points even though this season is on pace for the highest point scoring ever as new rules favour offense
His energy and mobility could ignite the team
Give him some sustained playing time and see what hes got. If hes another nassib so be it; if hes a diamond in the rough we may have a new QB or a trade chip.
was to Denver last offseason, and suspect NYG asking price was too high ... not to mention, Eli has no trade control.
Their asking price is always too high. Ridiculously high. That's why this team hasn't traded down in the draft since Accorsi did so the year we drafted Kiwi. Reese never traded down. In any round.
As far as Eli's no trade clause, he should have been told to go to Denver, or he'd be cut. The FO wrongly concluded that Eli had three or four years left. That's why they overspent for Solder. Eli is likely done, and there was plenty of evidence before this season that was true. Eli isn't the only problem. The OL is worse. But he can't move at all, and misses throws even when there is no pressure.
No argument from me. I was ok with moving on from Eli after last season ... the perception of one season too early rather than too late was actually already late.
skills to be a successful NFL QB, except perhaps arm strength. Is that last item overblown? Maybe it is, I guess we'll see sometime this year. The Giants like his decision-making, accuracy and mobility and so maybe, just maybe we might have a QB that can challenge for a starting role next year. It will be interesting to see him in action. Something to look forward to, I suppose?!
has the skillset to play in the NFL? He wasnt overly impressive in preseason. He has never played against top level competition either.
He has a skillset that may or may not translate into the NFL. But just because the team sucks doesnt guarantee him the right to play. I hope he plays. Especially when the season goes to shit. But there is no way he is going to step on the field if he is not ready. This is plain and simple.
The biggest thing I always heard last year was:
"DW can't beat out Geno Freakin' Smith, that is all you need to know!!"
Well is it
"KL can't beat out Alex Freakin' Tanney!" now?
At least (and I know he sucked) Geno was a starter and played a bunch of games. What has AT done? 1 game maybe.
I don't think we see KL in anything other than a series or two at the end of a 4th quarter.
The Giants will bring in a QB next year, whether through the draft or free agency, and KL will just be another wasted 3rd round pick.
My personal opinion really is that DW and KL didn't separate enough from each other enough in the pre-season, so DG and PS kept their guy and not Reese's guy.
has the skillset to play in the NFL? He wasnt overly impressive in preseason. He has never played against top level competition either.
He has a skillset that may or may not translate into the NFL. But just because the team sucks doesnt guarantee him the right to play. I hope he plays. Especially when the season goes to shit. But there is no way he is going to step on the field if he is not ready. This is plain and simple.
Thats literally the whole point to elevating him from scout team, to try to get him ready.
And yes, this team being terrible and with poor QB play two years in a row should guarantee that they see what a player they spent draft capital on can do.
has the skillset to play in the NFL? He wasnt overly impressive in preseason. He has never played against top level competition either.
He has a skillset that may or may not translate into the NFL. But just because the team sucks doesnt guarantee him the right to play. I hope he plays. Especially when the season goes to shit. But there is no way he is going to step on the field if he is not ready. This is plain and simple.
Thats literally the whole point to elevating him from scout team, to try to get him ready.
And yes, this team being terrible and with poor QB play two years in a row should guarantee that they see what a player they spent draft capital on can do.
No its not. You are forgetting the most important thing. Can he function in an NFL game. If the coaches think he cannot, you do not play him.
I am all about more reps in practice and cutting Tanney loose. But you just dont play a guy jsut to play him.
Tanney's a dud, Lauletta's way too raw. At this point, all you accomplish by throwing Lauletta in there is to prove he's not ready yet.
That's why the move last year wasn't the worst - but we needed to have Smith in there for a couple of games at least. Not to prove that Smith was the way forward for the organization, but to see the relative difference in the operation of the offense, from the OL to skill positions, with a different QB out there.
One game wasn't a big enough sample size.
And going into this season with Alex Tanney on the roster was a complete waste of time and resources in many ways.
has the skillset to play in the NFL? He wasnt overly impressive in preseason. He has never played against top level competition either.
He has a skillset that may or may not translate into the NFL. But just because the team sucks doesnt guarantee him the right to play. I hope he plays. Especially when the season goes to shit. But there is no way he is going to step on the field if he is not ready. This is plain and simple.
Thats literally the whole point to elevating him from scout team, to try to get him ready.
And yes, this team being terrible and with poor QB play two years in a row should guarantee that they see what a player they spent draft capital on can do.
No its not. You are forgetting the most important thing. Can he function in an NFL game. If the coaches think he cannot, you do not play him.
I am all about more reps in practice an cutting Tanney loose. But you just dont play a guy jsut to play him.
Again nobody said just play him. My original post even said how far in advance would he need to be elevated to realistically be ready to play. You dont want to see anyone else at QB, we get it.
Can he ever form a thought outside the QB position or OBJ?
Why is this controversial? We all know whats coming.
Writing an article about the same topic 25 different ways means its shitty. How about we talk about some of the other problems on the team rather than QB and OBJ's antics. How about we start to question some of the FA moves. The inability of the defense to get stops on 3rd down. Play calling where our 4th string TE is the first read.
Is Ranaan so desperate for clicks he can only concentrate on just two areas?
Ah yes, the hook routes to our 4th string TE. Shumur seems to have an aversion to getting good the ball into our play makers hands.
Again nobody said just play him. My original post even said how far in advance would he need to be elevated to realistically be ready to play. You dont want to see anyone else at QB, we get it.
Obviously, you dont get it. Because that is not what I have been saying for the last few weeks.
But why should we be surprised, you havent gotten it since you have signed up for this site.
And yes, this team being terrible and with poor QB play two years in a row should guarantee that they see what a player they spent draft capital on can do.
Seems like your promoting playing a player even if he is ready or not. GUARSNTEE!!!!
was to Denver last offseason, and suspect NYG asking price was too high ... not to mention, Eli has no trade control.
Ben and Jerry handed Mara a gift last year - a way to break from your aging but beloved QB and blame it on someone else. Instead he's going to have to go thru it all over again and have everyone hating on him - Eli, the fans, the players who think Eli is done, etc. Great job.
And yes, this team being terrible and with poor QB play two years in a row should guarantee that they see what a player they spent draft capital on can do.
Seems like your promoting playing a player even if he is ready or not. GUARSNTEE!!!!
The point is you wont know what he can do if hes not running your offense in practice. Is it going to hurt Alex Tanney if he misses out on two weeks of #2 snaps?
was to Denver last offseason, and suspect NYG asking price was too high ... not to mention, Eli has no trade control.
I believe this was a myth. I live in Denver and everything I heard was that Elway never had any interest in Manning. There was speculation because his brother played here, but nothing of substance.
The Broncos went hard after Cousins, with Keenum as the back up plan. They also stubbornly passed on a QB in the draft. They won't again. They are likely the top competition for Herbert in this upcoming draft.
Can he ever form a thought outside the QB position or OBJ?
after the bye Lauletta becomes #2. Then with like 4-5 games left he gets a some starts or at least comes in the 2nd half of games.
after the bye Lauletta becomes #2. Then with like 4-5 games left he gets a some starts or at least comes in the 2nd half of games.
Thats when I think well see Kyle. Would be a travesty to let Kyle sit the entire year on the bench with a clipboard on a 3-4 win team while running scout all week
I wouldn't see it as a benching, more that the season is toast, it would give the team a good opportunity to develop some young players
The only place he can be moved is to the bench. We arent going to just cut him and no team is going to trade him. And to be honest I dont think theres a team out there that would sign him even if we cut him.
No trade control? I thought he did. Perhaps no more?
But I think when you look back to last year it was very obvious Webb should have been the backup on game day. There were several blowouts that he could have been brought in just to get his feet wet and at the end of a lost season, he should have been brought in, in the second half, to see what he has, or doesnt have. Hard to look back on last year and see it any differently.
Yet, here we are in the exact same situation. And our rookie is 3rd string, inactive on game day. Not sure how you could see this as anything but a mistake. New GM, new coaching staff, yet somehow the same baffling decision to protect Eli.
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was to Denver last offseason, and suspect NYG asking price was too high ... not to mention, Eli has no trade control.
No trade control? I thought he did. Perhaps no more?
Jon just meant clause instead of control. A NTC doesn't get waived arbitrarily over the duration of the contract. A NTC just means that a trade can't happen without Eli's permission.
Not holding my breath though.
They owe it to the rest of the team to prepare the starting QB as best as possible for the next game
Can he ever form a thought outside the QB position or OBJ?
Why is this controversial? We all know whats coming.
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Can he ever form a thought outside the QB position or OBJ?
Why is this controversial? We all know whats coming.
Writing an article about the same topic 25 different ways means its shitty. How about we talk about some of the other problems on the team rather than QB and OBJ's antics. How about we start to question some of the FA moves. The inability of the defense to get stops on 3rd down. Play calling where our 4th string TE is the first read.
Is Ranaan so desperate for clicks he can only concentrate on just two areas?
If it's plainly obvious he's not ready, what are you learning bringing a guy in who can't operate the offense?
Some of you are going to shit, but the Giants might very well bring in Tanney. It's the only way Shurmur and Gettleman can evaluate the offense with or without Manning.
If Tanney can tread water similarly to Manning in this offense, that makes moving on very easy.
If the Giants hit the bye week at 2-6 or 1-7. Then we will see changes rather quickly. If my some miracle they are at 3-5 at the bye...I think Eli stays the starter for at least a few more games after the bye.
Their asking price is always too high. Ridiculously high. That's why this team hasn't traded down in the draft since Accorsi did so the year we drafted Kiwi. Reese never traded down. In any round.
As far as Eli's no trade clause, he should have been told to go to Denver, or he'd be cut. The FO wrongly concluded that Eli had three or four years left. That's why they overspent for Solder. Eli is likely done, and there was plenty of evidence before this season that was true. Eli isn't the only problem. The OL is worse. But he can't move at all, and misses throws even when there is no pressure.
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Can he ever form a thought outside the QB position or OBJ?
Why is this controversial? We all know whats coming.
Writing an article about the same topic 25 different ways means its shitty. How about we talk about some of the other problems on the team rather than QB and OBJ's antics. How about we start to question some of the FA moves. The inability of the defense to get stops on 3rd down. Play calling where our 4th string TE is the first read.
Is Ranaan so desperate for clicks he can only concentrate on just two areas?
Because only one of those things can be changed, and its going to happen whether you want it to or not
Because only one of those things can be changed, and its going to happen whether you want it to or not
Ummm a lot of thigns on this team need to change outside the QB position and OBJ antics. But we will never know because Ranaan is a hack.
I think you are right
Hopefully we get a chance to see him start this year. The season is a write off and the offense can barely break 20 points even though this season is on pace for the highest point scoring ever as new rules favour offense
His energy and mobility could ignite the team
Give him some sustained playing time and see what hes got. If hes another nassib so be it; if hes a diamond in the rough we may have a new QB or a trade chip.
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was to Denver last offseason, and suspect NYG asking price was too high ... not to mention, Eli has no trade control.
Their asking price is always too high. Ridiculously high. That's why this team hasn't traded down in the draft since Accorsi did so the year we drafted Kiwi. Reese never traded down. In any round.
As far as Eli's no trade clause, he should have been told to go to Denver, or he'd be cut. The FO wrongly concluded that Eli had three or four years left. That's why they overspent for Solder. Eli is likely done, and there was plenty of evidence before this season that was true. Eli isn't the only problem. The OL is worse. But he can't move at all, and misses throws even when there is no pressure.
No argument from me. I was ok with moving on from Eli after last season ... the perception of one season too early rather than too late was actually already late.
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Eli is starting this year whether they are out of the playoffs or not. If hes healthy hes starting.
I think you are right
Then this entire organization is a f*cking joke.
and with our Oline .......
He has a skillset that may or may not translate into the NFL. But just because the team sucks doesnt guarantee him the right to play. I hope he plays. Especially when the season goes to shit. But there is no way he is going to step on the field if he is not ready. This is plain and simple.
The biggest thing I always heard last year was:
"DW can't beat out Geno Freakin' Smith, that is all you need to know!!"
Well is it
"KL can't beat out Alex Freakin' Tanney!" now?
At least (and I know he sucked) Geno was a starter and played a bunch of games. What has AT done? 1 game maybe.
I don't think we see KL in anything other than a series or two at the end of a 4th quarter.
The Giants will bring in a QB next year, whether through the draft or free agency, and KL will just be another wasted 3rd round pick.
My personal opinion really is that DW and KL didn't separate enough from each other enough in the pre-season, so DG and PS kept their guy and not Reese's guy.
He has a skillset that may or may not translate into the NFL. But just because the team sucks doesnt guarantee him the right to play. I hope he plays. Especially when the season goes to shit. But there is no way he is going to step on the field if he is not ready. This is plain and simple.
Thats literally the whole point to elevating him from scout team, to try to get him ready.
And yes, this team being terrible and with poor QB play two years in a row should guarantee that they see what a player they spent draft capital on can do.
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has the skillset to play in the NFL? He wasnt overly impressive in preseason. He has never played against top level competition either.
He has a skillset that may or may not translate into the NFL. But just because the team sucks doesnt guarantee him the right to play. I hope he plays. Especially when the season goes to shit. But there is no way he is going to step on the field if he is not ready. This is plain and simple.
Thats literally the whole point to elevating him from scout team, to try to get him ready.
And yes, this team being terrible and with poor QB play two years in a row should guarantee that they see what a player they spent draft capital on can do.
No its not. You are forgetting the most important thing. Can he function in an NFL game. If the coaches think he cannot, you do not play him.
I am all about more reps in practice and cutting Tanney loose. But you just dont play a guy jsut to play him.
That's why the move last year wasn't the worst - but we needed to have Smith in there for a couple of games at least. Not to prove that Smith was the way forward for the organization, but to see the relative difference in the operation of the offense, from the OL to skill positions, with a different QB out there.
One game wasn't a big enough sample size.
And going into this season with Alex Tanney on the roster was a complete waste of time and resources in many ways.
Lol exactly. The goal for the rest of the season should be the number one pick in the draft. As another poster said recently, "suck for the duck".
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has the skillset to play in the NFL? He wasnt overly impressive in preseason. He has never played against top level competition either.
He has a skillset that may or may not translate into the NFL. But just because the team sucks doesnt guarantee him the right to play. I hope he plays. Especially when the season goes to shit. But there is no way he is going to step on the field if he is not ready. This is plain and simple.
Thats literally the whole point to elevating him from scout team, to try to get him ready.
And yes, this team being terrible and with poor QB play two years in a row should guarantee that they see what a player they spent draft capital on can do.
No its not. You are forgetting the most important thing. Can he function in an NFL game. If the coaches think he cannot, you do not play him.
I am all about more reps in practice an cutting Tanney loose. But you just dont play a guy jsut to play him.
Again nobody said just play him. My original post even said how far in advance would he need to be elevated to realistically be ready to play. You dont want to see anyone else at QB, we get it.
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Can he ever form a thought outside the QB position or OBJ?
Why is this controversial? We all know whats coming.
Writing an article about the same topic 25 different ways means its shitty. How about we talk about some of the other problems on the team rather than QB and OBJ's antics. How about we start to question some of the FA moves. The inability of the defense to get stops on 3rd down. Play calling where our 4th string TE is the first read.
Is Ranaan so desperate for clicks he can only concentrate on just two areas?
Ah yes, the hook routes to our 4th string TE. Shumur seems to have an aversion to getting good the ball into our play makers hands.
Again nobody said just play him. My original post even said how far in advance would he need to be elevated to realistically be ready to play. You dont want to see anyone else at QB, we get it.
Obviously, you dont get it. Because that is not what I have been saying for the last few weeks.
But why should we be surprised, you havent gotten it since you have signed up for this site.
And yes, this team being terrible and with poor QB play two years in a row should guarantee that they see what a player they spent draft capital on can do.
Seems like your promoting playing a player even if he is ready or not. GUARSNTEE!!!!
Ben and Jerry handed Mara a gift last year - a way to break from your aging but beloved QB and blame it on someone else. Instead he's going to have to go thru it all over again and have everyone hating on him - Eli, the fans, the players who think Eli is done, etc. Great job.
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And yes, this team being terrible and with poor QB play two years in a row should guarantee that they see what a player they spent draft capital on can do.
Seems like your promoting playing a player even if he is ready or not. GUARSNTEE!!!!
The point is you wont know what he can do if hes not running your offense in practice. Is it going to hurt Alex Tanney if he misses out on two weeks of #2 snaps?
I believe this was a myth. I live in Denver and everything I heard was that Elway never had any interest in Manning. There was speculation because his brother played here, but nothing of substance.
The Broncos went hard after Cousins, with Keenum as the back up plan. They also stubbornly passed on a QB in the draft. They won't again. They are likely the top competition for Herbert in this upcoming draft.