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ajr2456 : 10/18/2018 7:36 am
How far in advance would he relistically need to be elevated to take over?

Doesn’t seem likely it happens after the bye if the next two weeks are just like the past two.

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Ive already said Tanney should be cut  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 10:11 am : link
and lauletta should be the number 2. Why are you arguing this?
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ajr2456 : 10/18/2018 10:12 am : link
In comment 14133955 dep026 said:
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Again nobody said just play him. My original post even said how far in advance would he need to be elevated to realistically be ready to play. You don’t want to see anyone else at QB, we get it.



Obviously, you dont get it. Because that is not what I have been saying for the last few weeks.

But why should we be surprised, you havent gotten it since you have signed up for this site.


Weird, I turned out to get about what was left of Eli.

You came on here accusing Jordan of “writing controversial clickbait” when it’s not. Why don’t you want the QB to be discussed?
RE: Ive already said Tanney should be cut  
ajr2456 : 10/18/2018 10:13 am : link
In comment 14133979 dep026 said:
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and lauletta should be the number 2. Why are you arguing this?


You’re saying you can’t just promote a player and throw him on the field. All we’re asking for his him to get snaps running our offense.
The best thing Macadoo did was  
McNally's_Nuts : 10/18/2018 10:14 am : link
bench Eli Manning last year, the band aid was already torn off by Mac and Reese last season.

I didn't even think Eli looked terrible last year, atleast compared to this season.

Lauletta should get some real game experience this year and if it's at the expense of Eli Manning, then so be it.

Neil Young was right, it is better to burn out than it is to fade away but right now I'm afraid both is occurring to Eli Manning and its very painful to watch.

Almost as painful to watch Connor Barwin rush the passer.

Almost.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: How do we know Lauletta  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 14133982 ajr2456 said:
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Weird, I turned out to get about what was left of Eli.

You came on here accusing Jordan of “writing controversial clickbait” when it’s not. Why don’t you want the QB to be discussed?


Because he writes the same thing just in different ways in every article. We have more problems than just the Qb position. But Jordan never writes about anything else other than Eli or OBJ.

He needs clickbait material because his original thoughts arent good enough to keep his job.
RE: RE: Ive already said Tanney should be cut  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 14133988 ajr2456 said:
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and lauletta should be the number 2. Why are you arguing this?



You’re saying you can’t just promote a player and throw him on the field. All we’re asking for his him to get snaps running our offense.


And I believe strongly that you never play a player in a game if he isnt ready. If he is, then play him. Why is this so wrong?
If E sits  
UESBLUE : 10/18/2018 10:21 am : link
it will have to be with his own blessing and he will make a public statement. No way he just gets benched. It got the last HC fired.
RE: RE: RE: Ive already said Tanney should be cut  
ron mexico : 10/18/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 14133993 dep026 said:
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and lauletta should be the number 2. Why are you arguing this?



You’re saying you can’t just promote a player and throw him on the field. All we’re asking for his him to get snaps running our offense.



And I believe strongly that you never play a player in a game if he isnt ready. If he is, then play him. Why is this so wrong?


There is going to have to be some (probably a lot) of learning and development to be done in live action, no matter who succeeds Eli.

Not exactly sure what the definition of "ready" is.

There's only one irrefutable point to be made on this topic  
jcn56 : 10/18/2018 10:27 am : link
we're 1-5 - we're already losing at an alarmingly high rate.

Even if Lauletta was a huge step backward, he wouldn't have much of an impact on the bottom line.
If Kyle Lauletta  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 10:28 am : link
cant command the huddle or offense, he should not play. Its that simple. Once he can do that, then all bets off as far as Eli goes.
Yes, KL probably needs to get more up to speed and get himself  
Jimmy Googs : 10/18/2018 10:48 am : link
and coaches into mindset that he will soon be taking game snaps. Likely in a few weeks one way or another.

And please save the dramatics as to whether he will be even ready then, or how can the coaches throw him to the wolves and destroy his psyche/confidence. Way, way too overboard.

Also based on these posts, some of you need to take it down a notch regarding Eli and shitting on anything/everything that doesn't support him playing much longer. Might need to get yourselves in a mind that the Eli-era is basically over and it won't be a pretty sight thru end of the regular season.

And some of you need to put the sharp knives away...
RE: Yes, KL probably needs to get more up to speed and get himself  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 14134043 Jimmy Googs said:
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and coaches into mindset that he will soon be taking game snaps. Likely in a few weeks one way or another.

And please save the dramatics as to whether he will be even ready then, or how can the coaches throw him to the wolves and destroy his psyche/confidence. Way, way too overboard.

Also based on these posts, some of you need to take it down a notch regarding Eli and shitting on anything/everything that doesn't support him playing much longer. Might need to get yourselves in a mind that the Eli-era is basically over and it won't be a pretty sight thru end of the regular season.

And some of you need to put the sharp knives away...


He doesnt need to understand 100% of everything, but we have to run a capable of offense as well though.
Lauletta shouldn't have been drafted in the 4th round  
Chris684 : 10/18/2018 11:10 am : link
if he is incapable of playing in meaningless games this year, I'm sorry.

I can understand him not being ready to appear in high stakes moments/playoff games if this team were in that position (unfortunately we're not) and that's what Alex Tanney was for.

I could understand an undrafted kid needing a full year on the sidelines no matter the circumstances, but that is not Lauletta.

If I take a QB in the middle rounds of the draft, I have to do it with hope that, best case scenario, he can be STARTING a year later. We have to see, he needs to play.
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arcarsenal : 10/18/2018 11:17 am : link
No one is going to be able to give me a single good reason why Lauletta shouldn't be playing after the bye week barring some miraculous turnaround before it (not happening)

One of two things happen.

Lauletta sucks, we keep losing, and we know he's not part of any solution and take a QB at the top of the draft in April

or..

Lauletta actually looks competent and like someone we can work with and we decide to stick with him.

He needs to play. They need to get him up to speed. I'm not saying right now. But the post-bye game is about a month away. They should be doing everything they can now to prep him to play then if things keep going this way.

We need to have an idea of what we have there and this is an ideal season to get him reps.
#TANNEYTIME  
Brown Recluse : 10/18/2018 11:27 am : link
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RE: RE: Yes, KL probably needs to get more up to speed and get himself  
HomerJones45 : 10/18/2018 11:27 am : link
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and coaches into mindset that he will soon be taking game snaps. Likely in a few weeks one way or another.

And please save the dramatics as to whether he will be even ready then, or how can the coaches throw him to the wolves and destroy his psyche/confidence. Way, way too overboard.

Also based on these posts, some of you need to take it down a notch regarding Eli and shitting on anything/everything that doesn't support him playing much longer. Might need to get yourselves in a mind that the Eli-era is basically over and it won't be a pretty sight thru end of the regular season.

And some of you need to put the sharp knives away...



He doesnt need to understand 100% of everything, but we have to run a capable of offense as well though.
It doesn't matter; the fans wish to be entertained with something new. Sure, he'll suck but they will ooh and ahh over every 3 yard completion and make excuses for every bonehead throw. By this they will be entertained until we spend a #1 pick on someone who actually has a chance.
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dep026 : 10/18/2018 11:27 am : link
In comment 14134098 arcarsenal said:
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No one is going to be able to give me a single good reason why Lauletta shouldn't be playing after the bye week barring some miraculous turnaround before it (not happening)



He needs to be the backup. If he can show he can run the offense, he should play. If he is terrible in practice, then he shouldnt.

And like it or not, if we win the next two games - the coaches arent giving up on the season (as unlikely as it is.)
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arcarsenal : 10/18/2018 11:30 am : link
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No one is going to be able to give me a single good reason why Lauletta shouldn't be playing after the bye week barring some miraculous turnaround before it (not happening)





He needs to be the backup. If he can show he can run the offense, he should play. If he is terrible in practice, then he shouldnt.

And like it or not, if we win the next two games - the coaches arent giving up on the season (as unlikely as it is.)


I wouldn't expect them to - but we aren't going to win the next two games. We are a "get well" team now. Atlanta will look good against us and we aren't even as good as Washington now.
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ajr2456 : 10/18/2018 11:30 am : link
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and make excuses for every bonehead throw.


How's this different from the last few years?
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dep026 : 10/18/2018 11:36 am : link
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No one is going to be able to give me a single good reason why Lauletta shouldn't be playing after the bye week barring some miraculous turnaround before it (not happening)





He needs to be the backup. If he can show he can run the offense, he should play. If he is terrible in practice, then he shouldnt.

And like it or not, if we win the next two games - the coaches arent giving up on the season (as unlikely as it is.)



I wouldn't expect them to - but we aren't going to win the next two games. We are a "get well" team now. Atlanta will look good against us and we aren't even as good as Washington now.


Oh I agree. But it would be typical Giants to win 2 games to get all their hopes up then lose the next 5.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 14134098 arcarsenal said:
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No one is going to be able to give me a single good reason why Lauletta shouldn't be playing after the bye week barring some miraculous turnaround before it (not happening)

One of two things happen.

Lauletta sucks, we keep losing, and we know he's not part of any solution and take a QB at the top of the draft in April

or..

Lauletta actually looks competent and like someone we can work with and we decide to stick with him.

He needs to play. They need to get him up to speed. I'm not saying right now. But the post-bye game is about a month away. They should be doing everything they can now to prep him to play then if things keep going this way.

We need to have an idea of what we have there and this is an ideal season to get him reps.


Yup. The kid needs to play. Let's see what he's got.
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bw in dc : 10/18/2018 11:44 am : link
In comment 14134098 arcarsenal said:
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No one is going to be able to give me a single good reason why Lauletta shouldn't be playing after the bye week barring some miraculous turnaround before it (not happening)

One of two things happen.

Lauletta sucks, we keep losing, and we know he's not part of any solution and take a QB at the top of the draft in April

or..

Lauletta actually looks competent and like someone we can work with and we decide to stick with him.

He needs to play. They need to get him up to speed. I'm not saying right now. But the post-bye game is about a month away. They should be doing everything they can now to prep him to play then if things keep going this way.

We need to have an idea of what we have there and this is an ideal season to get him reps.


This is 100% spot on.

I would only round out it to say this story demonstrates just incredibly stupid this organization continues to be. I'd cut Tanney today and move Lauletta up immediately. What a waste of a roster spot that is...
I think thats where he'll stay  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/18/2018 11:55 am : link
He's not ready, he'll get killed out there.

They won't bench Eli for Tanney, that's a tank move and the FO cannot admit to that.

Eli will start for the rest of the year. And likely next year as well. Its not the right move but here we are.
There really is no difference between #2 and #3  
ron mexico : 10/18/2018 11:55 am : link
in terms of prep

#1 gets virtually all the reps
I would say, AFTER the Bye week  
ZogZerg : 10/18/2018 12:01 pm : link
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Wait til tommorows article  
Dankbeerman : 10/18/2018 12:09 pm : link
When he is lighting up our 1st string deffense. Followed by hes that good against a 1st team deffense, followed byhe sucks it just sonhappens our deffense sucks more
RE: I think thats where he'll stay  
NYG07 : 10/18/2018 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14134174 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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He's not ready, he'll get killed out there.

They won't bench Eli for Tanney, that's a tank move and the FO cannot admit to that.

Eli will start for the rest of the year. And likely next year as well. Its not the right move but here we are.


Who cares if he gets killed out there? We need to see what he can do.

Also, no chance Eli is back next year. I agree that was their plan coming into the year, but he will not survive another disastrous season. Not only are the Giants continuing to lose virtually every game they play with him, the noise from the outside will only get louder.
RE: Wait til tommorows article  
arcarsenal : 10/18/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14134202 Dankbeerman said:
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When he is lighting up our 1st string deffense. Followed by hes that good against a 1st team deffense, followed byhe sucks it just sonhappens our deffense sucks more


Defense.
Ask yourself this question  
Mike from Ohio : 10/18/2018 12:12 pm : link
Will John Mara let Eli spend the end of his Giants career sitting on the bench while Kyle Lauletta starts? We all know the answer to that question. It isn't the right answer, but it is the Giants answer.

Eli is likely going to at least start every game this season.
If he is running the scout team  
Vanzetti : 10/18/2018 12:13 pm : link
That tells you is worse than the #2 guy

Just like last year. When Geno was active over Webb. BBI drank the koolaid about Webb but the teams actions are way more meaningful than tweets from Doyle about how much the Giants love Webb

Same with Lauletta
Wait a second  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 12:17 pm : link
People here complain that Eli is done because he has "David Carr Syndrome" but yet we want to throw a rookie 3rd string QB in there cause we have to see him play behind a terrible OL?

Where is the sense in that? lol
RE: If he is running the scout team  
ajr2456 : 10/18/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14134216 Vanzetti said:
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That tells you is worse than the #2 guy

Just like last year. When Geno was active over Webb. BBI drank the koolaid about Webb but the teams actions are way more meaningful than tweets from Doyle about how much the Giants love Webb

Same with Lauletta


Not true that he's worse than Tanney. Your #2 QB is the one more ready to jump in case of injury.

Giving Lauletta #2 reps and only having Tanney active the next two weeks doesn't make a difference in the game.
I, for one, no longer believe the line  
Chris684 : 10/18/2018 12:24 pm : link
is unworkable.

It's below average no doubt, but I think Eli contributing to how bad it looks.

Again, no one loves Eli more than me, I don't even believe his problems are physical. It's all between the ears in that he's feeling a rush that isn't always there and he seems to be constantly hitting his safety valve throws without going through his progressions down the field.

I'm ready to see what Lauletta can do with his added mobility, quick release and without the baggage of playing the last 5 years behind the worst offensive lines in football.
RE: Wait a second  
Mike from Ohio : 10/18/2018 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14134230 dep026 said:
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People here complain that Eli is done because he has "David Carr Syndrome" but yet we want to throw a rookie 3rd string QB in there cause we have to see him play behind a terrible OL?

Where is the sense in that? lol


The idea is to see if the offense can function with someone else at the helm who provides some additional mobility and may not have the same accelerated clock in his head. If you are just going to say that nobody can win with the offensive line, why even show up for the games?
Bye week is after the Atlanta game.  
Section331 : 10/18/2018 12:28 pm : link
If Eli plays poorly v Atlanta, I wouldn't be surprised to see them give Lauletta some run, whether as a starter or not. It would give him 2 full weeks to get ready.
RE: Bye week is after the Atlanta game.  
arcarsenal : 10/18/2018 12:36 pm : link
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If Eli plays poorly v Atlanta, I wouldn't be surprised to see them give Lauletta some run, whether as a starter or not. It would give him 2 full weeks to get ready.


I think we have Washington first - then the bye.
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JonC : 10/18/2018 12:43 pm : link
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was to Denver last offseason, and suspect NYG asking price was too high ... not to mention, Eli has no trade control.



I believe this was a myth. I live in Denver and everything I heard was that Elway never had any interest in Manning. There was speculation because his brother played here, but nothing of substance.

The Broncos went hard after Cousins, with Keenum as the back up plan. They also stubbornly passed on a QB in the draft. They won't again. They are likely the top competition for Herbert in this upcoming draft.


What I posted is what the beat heard at the time. I do think the asking price for Eli and probably some back channel comms with Cousins' reps shifted the focus though.
RE: Wait a second  
Jimmy Googs : 10/18/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14134230 dep026 said:
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People here complain that Eli is done because he has "David Carr Syndrome" but yet we want to throw a rookie 3rd string QB in there cause we have to see him play behind a terrible OL?

Where is the sense in that? lol


Be careful who you think is LOLing as we read this because its not like everybody is on the same page as to what is sensible when it comes to the NYG and its QBs

And by the way, Eli may be done for several reasons that you may not care to believe,
Lauletta was a good CAA QB  
Chip : 10/18/2018 12:54 pm : link
Not a great one. Suck for the Duck
Lauletta  
AnnapolisMike : 10/18/2018 1:19 pm : link
Ran a prostyle offense, was drafted in the 4th round and was on the radar of other teams as well. Maybe he is nothing more that a career backup. But soon is the time to find out unless the Giants miraculously pull it together and go on a run. By all accounts he is a smart, athletic guy. There is really no reason he can't go out there and give it a go. If he sucks...then you make other plans. If he is great you just lucked into a great situation.

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dep026 : 10/18/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14134299 Jimmy Googs said:
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People here complain that Eli is done because he has "David Carr Syndrome" but yet we want to throw a rookie 3rd string QB in there cause we have to see him play behind a terrible OL?

Where is the sense in that? lol



Be careful who you think is LOLing as we read this because its not like everybody is on the same page as to what is sensible when it comes to the NYG and its QBs

And by the way, Eli may be done for several reasons that you may not care to believe,


I am just stating what the majority here are saying. If people think Eli has carr syndrome, there is a good chance Lauletta develops one too behind this OL.
RE: Lauletta  
ron mexico : 10/18/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14134349 AnnapolisMike said:
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Ran a prostyle offense, was drafted in the 4th round and was on the radar of other teams as well. Maybe he is nothing more that a career backup. But soon is the time to find out unless the Giants miraculously pull it together and go on a run. By all accounts he is a smart, athletic guy. There is really no reason he can't go out there and give it a go. If he sucks...then you make other plans. If he is great you just lucked into a great situation.


even if he only becomes the back up, real game experience will be useful.

But I dont think it happens unless the next 4 games are a repeat of the philly game

The majority of what??  
Jimmy Googs : 10/18/2018 1:41 pm : link
just continued nonsense and agenda-spouting...
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bw in dc : 10/18/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14134261 Mike from Ohio said:
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People here complain that Eli is done because he has "David Carr Syndrome" but yet we want to throw a rookie 3rd string QB in there cause we have to see him play behind a terrible OL?

Where is the sense in that? lol



The idea is to see if the offense can function with someone else at the helm who provides some additional mobility and may not have the same accelerated clock in his head. If you are just going to say that nobody can win with the offensive line, why even show up for the games?


Exactly. Lauletta obviously has athleticism and mobility that Eli doesn't. So those skill sets may work with a struggling oline. I would think most people who be chomping at the bit to see what we have...

Assuming we lose to Atlanta, which I think would make the final nail in the season's coffin, then he should start the rest of the season.
RE: The majority of what??  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 1:52 pm : link
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just continued nonsense and agenda-spouting...


Do you even know what you are even arguing about? You dont think many posters here are saying Eli has David Carr syndrome? Because if you dont, then you need to click open some more threads.

And what agenda am I pushing? That we shouldnt start a rookie who isnt ready? Yeah, some agenda.

There's only one agenda here, and you and I both know its more yours than mine.
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dep026 : 10/18/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14134261 Mike from Ohio said:
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People here complain that Eli is done because he has "David Carr Syndrome" but yet we want to throw a rookie 3rd string QB in there cause we have to see him play behind a terrible OL?

Where is the sense in that? lol



The idea is to see if the offense can function with someone else at the helm who provides some additional mobility and may not have the same accelerated clock in his head. If you are just going to say that nobody can win with the offensive line, why even show up for the games?


But thats not what I am saying.

I dont want Lauletta starting until he is comfotable with starting. I am not looking for pro bowl numbers or even wins. I just dont want him to out there for the sake of going out there which posters are implying.

If Lauletta is ready to start next week and Shurmur thinks its time to switch, then giddy up. I just hate the notion that we have to play jsut to play him.
Playing Lauletta over Eli makes sense even right now  
Go Terps : 10/18/2018 2:05 pm : link
The Giants will not be competitive again during Eli's career here. It is over. We are gaining nothing and learning nothing by playing Eli.
RE: RE: The majority of what??  
Jimmy Googs : 10/18/2018 2:06 pm : link
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just continued nonsense and agenda-spouting...



Do you even know what you are even arguing about? You dont think many posters here are saying Eli has David Carr syndrome? Because if you dont, then you need to click open some more threads.

And what agenda am I pushing? That we shouldnt start a rookie who isnt ready? Yeah, some agenda.

There's only one agenda here, and you and I both know its more yours than mine.


While I enjoy BBI for the giant-related banter, I don't come on it because it helps me formulate my views. I got that one covered myself...rightly or wrongly.

But lets call a spade a spade, the MAJORITY, as you state, are not worried about creating a shell-shocked 3rd round pick. They just cannot let go of the status quo will be defenders of the faith until the last snap of the regular season.

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ajr2456 : 10/18/2018 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14134365 dep026 said:
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People here complain that Eli is done because he has "David Carr Syndrome" but yet we want to throw a rookie 3rd string QB in there cause we have to see him play behind a terrible OL?

Where is the sense in that? lol



Be careful who you think is LOLing as we read this because its not like everybody is on the same page as to what is sensible when it comes to the NYG and its QBs

And by the way, Eli may be done for several reasons that you may not care to believe,



I am just stating what the majority here are saying. If people think Eli has carr syndrome, there is a good chance Lauletta develops one too behind this OL.


Or that Lauletta makes the line look serviceable since he is able to move.

The one thing missing from Shurmur's offense is the mere threat of the QB running. Keenum ran 40 times last year. It's much easier to defend when you know there are only two options at the mesh point.
What is the fascination with extreme long shots Webb and Lauletta?  
HomerJones45 : 10/18/2018 2:18 pm : link
Extreme long shots. Here is the list of NFL team starters and the round they were drafted. For the first rounders, I also put where they were selected:

Washington #1 (1)
NYG #1 (1)
Phil #1 (2)
Dallas #4

GB #1 (24)
Minn #4
Detroit #1 (1)
Chicago #1 (2)

Atl #1 (3)
NO #2
Carolina #1 (1)
TB #1 (1)

AZ #1 (10)
SF #2
Seattle #3
LAR #1 (1)

NYJ #1 (3)
NE #6
Buff #1 (7)
Miami #1 (8)

Pitt #1 (11)
Balt #1 (18)
Cinn #2
Cleve #1 (1)

SD #1 (2)
OR #2
Den UDFA!
KC #1 (10)

Houston #1 (12)
Tenn #1 (2)
Jax #1 (3)
Indy #1 (1)

We are spending a #1 pick on a qb and probably a top 5 pick. Lauletta is a nothing. His chances of making it are tiny. There are only 9 qb's who were not first rounders and that includes Brady and Brees who were selected 18 and 17 years ago.

Lauletta is in all probability a waste of time who isn't going to stop us from spending a #1 pick on a qb.
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