While I enjoy BBI for the giant-related banter, I don't come on it because it helps me formulate my views. I got that one covered myself...rightly or wrongly.
But lets call a spade a spade, the MAJORITY, as you state, are not worried about creating a shell-shocked 3rd round pick. They just cannot let go of the status quo will be defenders of the faith until the last snap of the regular season.
Listen we all want the Giants to succeed and get better and we know Eli will not be the QB the next time we are in the playoffs. And deep down losing will help us get the QB we want but we also cannot want Laulaetta get in there and embarrass even more. This is idea that this has to do with Eli is silly.
We are talking about a kid who is 22 and never played higher than I-AA. does he have the opportunity to be successful? Sure. I hope he does. And if he does take over, I hope he kicks ass. But its not absurd to think putting him in is going to instantly get positive results as far as Kyle and the team are concerned.,
Or that Lauletta makes the line look serviceable since he is able to move.
The one thing missing from Shurmur's offense is the mere threat of the QB running. Keenum ran 40 times last year. It's much easier to defend when you know there are only two options at the mesh point.
Being mobile doesnt guarantee the line will look serviceable. Avoiding one guy, he MAY be able to do - what about the 2nd and 3rd player?
People who think just being mobile will solve our QB problem are just being foolish at this point.
The only positive results reasonable posters are looking for Â
Or that Lauletta makes the line look serviceable since he is able to move.
The one thing missing from Shurmur's offense is the mere threat of the QB running. Keenum ran 40 times last year. It's much easier to defend when you know there are only two options at the mesh point.
Being mobile doesnt guarantee the line will look serviceable. Avoiding one guy, he MAY be able to do - what about the 2nd and 3rd player?
People who think just being mobile will solve our QB problem are just being foolish at this point.
Nobody said it guarantees anything, it is however a possibility that currently doesn’t exist
RE: What is the fascination with extreme long shots Webb and Lauletta? Â
Extreme long shots. Here is the list of NFL team starters and the round they were drafted. For the first rounders, I also put where they were selected:
We are spending a #1 pick on a qb and probably a top 5 pick. Lauletta is a nothing. His chances of making it are tiny. There are only 9 qb's who were not first rounders and that includes Brady and Brees who were selected 18 and 17 years ago.
Lauletta is in all probability a waste of time who isn't going to stop us from spending a #1 pick on a qb.
9 out of 32 is actually a decent probability (>25%). And if Brees/Brady should count less because they were draft 17+ years ago, shouldn't you say the same for Eli/Ben/Rivers since they were drafted 14 years ago? And Smith/Rodgers 13 years ago.
RE: The only positive results reasonable posters are looking for Â
Playing Eli at quarterback no longer makes sense. It is over.
And when KL is ready to command an NFL offense, he should be brought in. Until then, throwing him out there cause he is "mobile" isnt the right answer.
Throwing him put there because we want to see what he is does make sense. Waiting until we're 2-12 and many of our starters are on IR does not.
He's a quarterback on the roster. He should be ready to play now. If he isn't, our coaches are failing (which would not surprise me).
Much like Webb, he was picked to be a developmental QB. Reese said Webb was probably going to sit 2-3 YEARS, yet fans clamored for him to play last year when you and I both know he sucked balls. Its rinse and repeat this year.
Throwing a player out there who is not ready doesnt make sense. This is a 4th round rookie QB who played I-AA. If we had an experience backup with McCown or Fitz or whoeever - yes, make the move now. If we had a 1st rounder we just drafted, then yes make the move.
If Lauletta is ready to start, then start him next week - I agree. But if he isnt, there is no shame in sitting him until he is ready.
RE: The change isn’t going to happen on your prescribed terms Â
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
you have a bit of a chicken or the egg problem though Â
I don't care when Lauletta was drafted or where he went to school. He is young, cost controlled, and under contract. We should be seeing what we have in him now.
If he's a dumpster fire and the experience destroys his confidence, so what? We didn't invest much in him anyway, and this season is already a dumpster fire. If he plays well, then maybe we don't feel the need to invest resources at QB this offseason. Either way, it doesn't hurt us.
But we should at least find out. He should be playing now.
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
Not sure Eli would be amenable to splitting practice reps.
The Giants will not be competitive again during Eli's career here. It is over. We are gaining nothing and learning nothing by playing Eli.
Yes but this has nothing to do with what makes sense imo. Its about the FO and mgmt basically having to do a 180 and fess up to the HUGE mistake they made bringing Eli back with this team. The roster construction has been a joke and benching Eli puts a stamp on that.
They also dont want empty stadiums at halftime with al lthe games being blowouts. Eli gives them a "competitive" face of we haven't given up (even though they have).
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
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RE: RE: RE: The change isn’t going to happen on your prescribed terms Â
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
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That timeline sounds reasonable...as long as it happens.
RE: RE: The change isn’t going to happen on your prescribed terms Â
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
This is literally what the original post was about and you started twisting it into “everyone wants Lauletta playing now”
RE: The only positive results reasonable posters are looking for Â
is whether KL can play QB in the NFL and whether he has more than just backup ability.
It’s not to turnaround the season.
So let’s keep it real...
Why? To prove he's a backup? Who cares? The chances of him being anything more than a backup are microscopic.
If anything, the whole concept of spending a 3rd or 4th rounder on a "developmental" qb is a waste of a draft pick. You are better off letting other teams waste the draft pick and then pick these guys up off the waiver wire to be a backup when they get cut.
Do you think Kyle wants a chance to start sooner or later? Do you think he wants anyone's protection from developing David Carr syndrome? I am sure he wants a chance, the sooner the better. This garbage from people claiming they want to protect Lauletta and keep Eli starting is biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Kyle, I am sure, would like to start as many games as possible before the Giants draft next year. We should oblige. I know what is so scary. If Lauletta, 3rd round pick with a supposed noodle arm, steps in and looks good after a few games, with the same exact OL, it is going to make a lot of people look really fucking stupid. This includes our GM and coach who believe Eli has years left.
Sometimes you spend a 4th on a developmental project because he he has the tools to be a decent, cost-controlled backup. Ideally they have upside which could make them a starter someday. Getting an experienced backup is more costly and usually gets you no closer to winning.
Putting Lauletta in makes sense because it will at least let the coaches see if the issues are exactly the same with him as Eli, or if he can mitigate some of the issues. Bottom line is that you have a player who isn't playing well and going to a backup should not be different at the QB position than it is anywhere else, especially in a lost season.
I'm fine with putting him in whenever they are ready to. Â
I may have been Lauletta's biggest advocate pre-draft, because I felt he was pro-ready. Still do.
FWIW I want to tell you that, even we are often on the other side of these discussions, I do remember that you were completely fine with drafting a QB over Barkley, as long as the team believed in the QB, you said it over and and over. I also remember you talking about Kyle being pro ready. You often get misrepresented and trolled. When I am speaking in general about people on the other side of this whole Eli thing, I am never referring to you unless I quote you directly.
Do you think Kyle wants a chance to start sooner or later? Do you think he wants anyone's protection from developing David Carr syndrome? I am sure he wants a chance, the sooner the better. This garbage from people claiming they want to protect Lauletta and keep Eli starting is biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Kyle, I am sure, would like to start as many games as possible before the Giants draft next year. We should oblige. I know what is so scary. If Lauletta, 3rd round pick with a supposed noodle arm, steps in and looks good after a few games, with the same exact OL, it is going to make a lot of people look really fucking stupid. This includes our GM and coach who believe Eli has years left.
I think you nailed all of the salient points there - well done.
RE: RE: I'm fine with putting him in whenever they are ready to. Â
I may have been Lauletta's biggest advocate pre-draft, because I felt he was pro-ready. Still do.
FWIW I want to tell you that, even we are often on the other side of these discussions, I do remember that you were completely fine with drafting a QB over Barkley, as long as the team believed in the QB, you said it over and and over. I also remember you talking about Kyle being pro ready. You often get misrepresented and trolled. When I am speaking in general about people on the other side of this whole Eli thing, I am never referring to you unless I quote you directly.
I appreciate you saying that, and I do feel that I am misrepresented often, but I allow myself to be trolled, that's on me. But I do feel like I am often misrepresented. Thanks.
Do you think Kyle wants a chance to start sooner or later? Do you think he wants anyone's protection from developing David Carr syndrome? I am sure he wants a chance, the sooner the better. This garbage from people claiming they want to protect Lauletta and keep Eli starting is biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Kyle, I am sure, would like to start as many games as possible before the Giants draft next year. We should oblige. I know what is so scary. If Lauletta, 3rd round pick with a supposed noodle arm, steps in and looks good after a few games, with the same exact OL, it is going to make a lot of people look really fucking stupid. This includes our GM and coach who believe Eli has years left.
You mean the same GM and HC that drafted Lauretta, right? How the hell would Lauletta succeeding make them look “fucking stupid”? Do you morons ever think before you post?
Do you think Kyle wants a chance to start sooner or later? Do you think he wants anyone's protection from developing David Carr syndrome? I am sure he wants a chance, the sooner the better. This garbage from people claiming they want to protect Lauletta and keep Eli starting is biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Kyle, I am sure, would like to start as many games as possible before the Giants draft next year. We should oblige. I know what is so scary. If Lauletta, 3rd round pick with a supposed noodle arm, steps in and looks good after a few games, with the same exact OL, it is going to make a lot of people look really fucking stupid. This includes our GM and coach who believe Eli has years left.
You mean the same GM and HC that drafted Lauretta, right? How the hell would Lauletta succeeding make them look “fucking stupid”? Do you morons ever think before you post?
I will use small words for you. The GM can look for good drafting a quality player in the 3rd round and look fucking stupid for using 1 single game as evidence that Eli still has it and planned our season around that belief. The second part was a much more important decision than the 3rd round pick.
People here complain that Eli is done because he has "David Carr Syndrome" but yet we want to throw a rookie 3rd string QB in there cause we have to see him play behind a terrible OL?
Where is the sense in that? lol
This comment doesn't make any sense. David Carr flamed out because he got sacked about 180 times over the course of his rookie contract, not because he got sacked a couple of times and just couldn't handle it.
Eli's playing like David Carr because he's been playing behind a garbage offensive line for six years.
- it is unlikely that lauletta is a good NFL qb. Ever
- it is possible, even likely imo, that our offense performs better with lauletta at qb this year
- shurmur might not have the stones to make the move. I'm sure he saw what happens last time and knows that Eli is willing and able to take his case all the way to the top
- it seems that there are some people here that are very worried about the possibility of lauletta getting to play because of what it might reveal
- from an organisational perspective, he has to play sometime this year. I know there are some fans who think the giants should be a society dedicated to the enrichment and glorification of Eli manning, but hopefully the actual people running the team have a broader view. But it is possible that they don't
- I do hope that Eli gets 1 home game where everything is clicking and we put up huge numbers and absolutely steamroll somebody before he hangs them up. Ideally a divisional opponent. I would like to see him get cheered off the field for perforance, rather than solely for historical reasons
No one is going to be able to give me a single good reason why Lauletta shouldn't be playing after the bye week barring some miraculous turnaround before it (not happening)
One of two things happen.
Lauletta sucks, we keep losing, and we know he's not part of any solution and take a QB at the top of the draft in April
or..
Lauletta actually looks competent and like someone we can work with and we decide to stick with him.
He needs to play. They need to get him up to speed. I'm not saying right now. But the post-bye game is about a month away. They should be doing everything they can now to prep him to play then if things keep going this way.
We need to have an idea of what we have there and this is an ideal season to get him reps.
If Laulleta can't run a functional offense, it doesn't help Shurmur assess himself, the system and the other 15 or so players who aren't a lock next year.
Knowing what we know about Webb. Do you think he him playing last year was a benifit to anyone?
I'd wager he would have fallen to pieces, and not shed light on Mcadoo or anyone's future ability.
In 1999 Trent Green got hurt and Kurt Warner was dropped into a weaponed up Rams O and made history because he could get the balls to the weapons. Eli has great weapons now and hasn’t been particularly good at getting the ball to them. I actually like Lauletta’s upside, and would like to see him get a chance.
Eli is 4-18 behind this OL, how can anyone make the argument that he gives us the best chance to win? If he does, we suck worse than I thought possible. Most of us have played sports, some us have played football. Losing sucks. If you were on this team, you would want to see someone else for a decent stretch of time to see if the team could play better. You would be like, "put Odell behind center if you want, it can't get any worse, try something." I think there is a far greater chance of losing the team by continuing to trot Eli out there with the same results. They would expect the young guy to get better at some point, so the pain could be worth the suffering. Eli is not getting better at this stage of his career. He will get worse. Everyone knows this except some of BBI, Gettleman & Mara. Shurmur knows now, we heard him on the sideline.
watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.
While I enjoy BBI for the giant-related banter, I don't come on it because it helps me formulate my views. I got that one covered myself...rightly or wrongly.
But lets call a spade a spade, the MAJORITY, as you state, are not worried about creating a shell-shocked 3rd round pick. They just cannot let go of the status quo will be defenders of the faith until the last snap of the regular season.
Listen we all want the Giants to succeed and get better and we know Eli will not be the QB the next time we are in the playoffs. And deep down losing will help us get the QB we want but we also cannot want Laulaetta get in there and embarrass even more. This is idea that this has to do with Eli is silly.
We are talking about a kid who is 22 and never played higher than I-AA. does he have the opportunity to be successful? Sure. I hope he does. And if he does take over, I hope he kicks ass. But its not absurd to think putting him in is going to instantly get positive results as far as Kyle and the team are concerned.,
Or that Lauletta makes the line look serviceable since he is able to move.
The one thing missing from Shurmur's offense is the mere threat of the QB running. Keenum ran 40 times last year. It's much easier to defend when you know there are only two options at the mesh point.
Being mobile doesnt guarantee the line will look serviceable. Avoiding one guy, he MAY be able to do - what about the 2nd and 3rd player?
People who think just being mobile will solve our QB problem are just being foolish at this point.
It’s not to turnaround the season.
So let’s keep it real...
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Or that Lauletta makes the line look serviceable since he is able to move.
The one thing missing from Shurmur's offense is the mere threat of the QB running. Keenum ran 40 times last year. It's much easier to defend when you know there are only two options at the mesh point.
Being mobile doesnt guarantee the line will look serviceable. Avoiding one guy, he MAY be able to do - what about the 2nd and 3rd player?
People who think just being mobile will solve our QB problem are just being foolish at this point.
Nobody said it guarantees anything, it is however a possibility that currently doesn’t exist
We are spending a #1 pick on a qb and probably a top 5 pick. Lauletta is a nothing. His chances of making it are tiny. There are only 9 qb's who were not first rounders and that includes Brady and Brees who were selected 18 and 17 years ago.
Lauletta is in all probability a waste of time who isn't going to stop us from spending a #1 pick on a qb.
9 out of 32 is actually a decent probability (>25%). And if Brees/Brady should count less because they were draft 17+ years ago, shouldn't you say the same for Eli/Ben/Rivers since they were drafted 14 years ago? And Smith/Rodgers 13 years ago.
So let’s keep it real...
And he should play when he is ready. If its next week, then its next week. If its week 10, then its week 10. If its 2019, then its 2019.
And when KL is ready to command an NFL offense, he should be brought in. Until then, throwing him out there cause he is "mobile" isnt the right answer.
Who said it isnt? Ajr is claiming it should happen no matter if Lauletta is ready or not because he is "mobile." To me.... thats dumb,.
I think you like to pick fights that arent there. Let go of what?
He's a quarterback on the roster. He should be ready to play now. If he isn't, our coaches are failing (which would not surprise me).
He's a quarterback on the roster. He should be ready to play now. If he isn't, our coaches are failing (which would not surprise me).
Much like Webb, he was picked to be a developmental QB. Reese said Webb was probably going to sit 2-3 YEARS, yet fans clamored for him to play last year when you and I both know he sucked balls. Its rinse and repeat this year.
Throwing a player out there who is not ready doesnt make sense. This is a 4th round rookie QB who played I-AA. If we had an experience backup with McCown or Fitz or whoeever - yes, make the move now. If we had a 1st rounder we just drafted, then yes make the move.
If Lauletta is ready to start, then start him next week - I agree. But if he isnt, there is no shame in sitting him until he is ready.
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
he can't get reps in practice til he is the starter
I don't care when Lauletta was drafted or where he went to school. He is young, cost controlled, and under contract. We should be seeing what we have in him now.
If he's a dumpster fire and the experience destroys his confidence, so what? We didn't invest much in him anyway, and this season is already a dumpster fire. If he plays well, then maybe we don't feel the need to invest resources at QB this offseason. Either way, it doesn't hurt us.
But we should at least find out. He should be playing now.
Lauletta is in all probability a waste of time who isn't going to stop us from spending a #1 pick on a qb.
The probability says you are right. Just like the probability says the season is likely over. And the probability says Eli is done.
So what exactly do we have to lose? An even more wretched product?
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otherwise it would never happen.
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
Not sure Eli would be amenable to splitting practice reps.
Yes but this has nothing to do with what makes sense imo. Its about the FO and mgmt basically having to do a 180 and fess up to the HUGE mistake they made bringing Eli back with this team. The roster construction has been a joke and benching Eli puts a stamp on that.
They also dont want empty stadiums at halftime with al lthe games being blowouts. Eli gives them a "competitive" face of we haven't given up (even though they have).
That was Reese's quote about Webb, showing truly how awful he was as a GM.
Davis Webb playing QB is equivalent as you are as a poster.
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sit for 2-3 years by design is idiotic. That means you essentially wasted the pick since by the time they are "ready" to play they'll be a FA.
That was Reese's quote about Webb, showing truly how awful he was as a GM.
I think that quote was more about Eli than it was about Webb
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otherwise it would never happen.
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
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otherwise it would never happen.
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
No, thats fine as i
That timeline sounds reasonable...as long as it happens.
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otherwise it would never happen.
I disagree. I was hoping he would start after the bye. I think Tanney should be cut. Lauletta start splitting reps with Eli in practice. Give him about 3 weeks of preparations and then lets see what he has. If thats unrealistic or foolish, well thats your opinion.
This is literally what the original post was about and you started twisting it into “everyone wants Lauletta playing now”
It’s not to turnaround the season.
So let’s keep it real...
If anything, the whole concept of spending a 3rd or 4th rounder on a "developmental" qb is a waste of a draft pick. You are better off letting other teams waste the draft pick and then pick these guys up off the waiver wire to be a backup when they get cut.
Putting Lauletta in makes sense because it will at least let the coaches see if the issues are exactly the same with him as Eli, or if he can mitigate some of the issues. Bottom line is that you have a player who isn't playing well and going to a backup should not be different at the QB position than it is anywhere else, especially in a lost season.
I think you nailed all of the salient points there - well done.
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I may have been Lauletta's biggest advocate pre-draft, because I felt he was pro-ready. Still do.
FWIW I want to tell you that, even we are often on the other side of these discussions, I do remember that you were completely fine with drafting a QB over Barkley, as long as the team believed in the QB, you said it over and and over. I also remember you talking about Kyle being pro ready. You often get misrepresented and trolled. When I am speaking in general about people on the other side of this whole Eli thing, I am never referring to you unless I quote you directly.
I appreciate you saying that, and I do feel that I am misrepresented often, but I allow myself to be trolled, that's on me. But I do feel like I am often misrepresented. Thanks.
You mean the same GM and HC that drafted Lauretta, right? How the hell would Lauletta succeeding make them look “fucking stupid”? Do you morons ever think before you post?
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Do you think Kyle wants a chance to start sooner or later? Do you think he wants anyone's protection from developing David Carr syndrome? I am sure he wants a chance, the sooner the better. This garbage from people claiming they want to protect Lauletta and keep Eli starting is biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Kyle, I am sure, would like to start as many games as possible before the Giants draft next year. We should oblige. I know what is so scary. If Lauletta, 3rd round pick with a supposed noodle arm, steps in and looks good after a few games, with the same exact OL, it is going to make a lot of people look really fucking stupid. This includes our GM and coach who believe Eli has years left.
You mean the same GM and HC that drafted Lauretta, right? How the hell would Lauletta succeeding make them look “fucking stupid”? Do you morons ever think before you post?
he's been right for ripping this franchise
Where is the sense in that? lol
This comment doesn't make any sense. David Carr flamed out because he got sacked about 180 times over the course of his rookie contract, not because he got sacked a couple of times and just couldn't handle it.
Eli's playing like David Carr because he's been playing behind a garbage offensive line for six years.
- it is unlikely that lauletta is a good NFL qb. Ever
- it is possible, even likely imo, that our offense performs better with lauletta at qb this year
- shurmur might not have the stones to make the move. I'm sure he saw what happens last time and knows that Eli is willing and able to take his case all the way to the top
- it seems that there are some people here that are very worried about the possibility of lauletta getting to play because of what it might reveal
- from an organisational perspective, he has to play sometime this year. I know there are some fans who think the giants should be a society dedicated to the enrichment and glorification of Eli manning, but hopefully the actual people running the team have a broader view. But it is possible that they don't
- I do hope that Eli gets 1 home game where everything is clicking and we put up huge numbers and absolutely steamroll somebody before he hangs them up. Ideally a divisional opponent. I would like to see him get cheered off the field for perforance, rather than solely for historical reasons
One of two things happen.
Lauletta sucks, we keep losing, and we know he's not part of any solution and take a QB at the top of the draft in April
or..
Lauletta actually looks competent and like someone we can work with and we decide to stick with him.
He needs to play. They need to get him up to speed. I'm not saying right now. But the post-bye game is about a month away. They should be doing everything they can now to prep him to play then if things keep going this way.
We need to have an idea of what we have there and this is an ideal season to get him reps.
If Laulleta can't run a functional offense, it doesn't help Shurmur assess himself, the system and the other 15 or so players who aren't a lock next year.
Knowing what we know about Webb. Do you think he him playing last year was a benifit to anyone?
I'd wager he would have fallen to pieces, and not shed light on Mcadoo or anyone's future ability.
and so are you. you and ranaan have no clue as to what the Giants are doing with Lauletta
watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.