watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.
watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.
You are engaging in an act of faith. There is nothing factual indicating that Lauletta would make anyone better at anything just as their wasn't with Webb for whom many of the same quick-fix cast and crew here worshiped at the altar-conveniently forgotten in the Lauletta debate by the way.
As for Keenum, it took him 5 years with multiple teams to develop into a below league-average starter. He rode his one good year last season to a big contract with Elway who hasn't exactly been an infallible judge of qb's. Good for Keenum. Not a plan for a team.
We are drafting a qb #1 this season: get it through your heads. Other than furnishing some of you with a source of entertainment, Lauletta is a nothing and is highly likely to remain a nothing.
yes, agreed... KL is nothing more than "I'd like to see what is there".
If we have a shot a potential franchise QB in next year's draft I am all in...
Do not think I am all in on the "Lauletta as our future QB" train. What I am saying I would rather watch him play for the Giants in 2018/19 than Eli at this point.
There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
No one wants to do that. The question now is, why isn't Lauletta getting first team reps?
Oh, I don't know; maybe it's because he's a 1-AA QB who is 6 games into his NFL career? They weren't going to change anything until they became toast. And the reality was, they were still "in" it until they lost to PHI last week, given how the NFCE has unperformed so far this year.
So there really was no reason to give him 1st team reps. Now? Sure, make sense to do it, and hopefully they will.
There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
Why does where he went to school matter at this point? Â
I think Lauletta represents a huge opportunity for this franchise. If we learn this year that he can play, the whole near future picture changes for the better (more cap space and a blue chip prospect at another position).
This season's top priority ha to be knowing what we have in Lauletta.
There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
Oh absolutely? No QB is getting shell-shocked in 8 or 9 games. It took David Carr like two or three seasons and over 100 sacks before he was irreparably damaged. What QB do you know of that was shell-shocked after half a season? If so, he never had what it took to be a good QB to begin with.
RE: Why does where he went to school matter at this point? Â
I think Lauletta represents a huge opportunity for this franchise. If we learn this year that he can play, the whole near future picture changes for the better (more cap space and a blue chip prospect at another position).
This season's top priority ha to be knowing what we have in Lauletta.
It matters because it's not a top program. Carson Wentz is the anomaly re playing well right out of the gate from a smaller, non FCS school. And even then, he played for a program that won what, 5 titles in a row? Lauletta played for a program that didn't have much success and where his stats weren't overly impressive.
He was drafted with the idea he would sit the first year and get acclimated to the pro game and learn from Eli; the hope was that NYG would be somewhat competitive, obviously that's not the case. So hopefully he gets 1st team reps sooner rather than later and gets into games after the bye
There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
Oh absolutely? No QB is getting shell-shocked in 8 or 9 games. It took David Carr like two or three seasons and over 100 sacks before he was irreparably damaged. What QB do you know of that was shell-shocked after half a season? If so, he never had what it took to be a good QB to begin with.
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
With this offensive line - and the lack of command of an offense a rookie has 6 games into the season - it wouldn't surprise me if Lauletta got sacked 50+ times when he finally gets in there, even as mobile as he is (mobile guys can get sacked a lot, just look at what happened to Mariota).
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
No he wasn't. Thats absurd. The Texans even decided to extend him for three years after he'd been playing for them from 2002 - 2005. They gave up on him the next year.
QB's don't get shell-shocked in 9 games. Like I said, if thats all it takes to ruin you - you never had what it takes to begin with.
Throwing him put there because we want to see what he is does make sense. Waiting until we're 2-12 and many of our starters are on IR does not.
Carson Wentz was a 1-AA QB.
He's a quarterback on the roster. He should be ready to play now. If he isn't, our coaches are failing (which would not surprise me).
Much like Webb, he was picked to be a developmental QB. Reese said Webb was probably going to sit 2-3 YEARS, yet fans clamored for him to play last year when you and I both know he sucked balls. Its rinse and repeat this year.
Throwing a player out there who is not ready doesnt make sense. This is a 4th round rookie QB who played I-AA. If we had an experience backup with McCown or Fitz or whoeever - yes, make the move now. If we had a 1st rounder we just drafted, then yes make the move.
If Lauletta is ready to start, then start him next week - I agree. But if he isnt, there is no shame in sitting him until he is ready.
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
Moreover, it's impossible to demonstrate. You might as well argue ghosts exist. If a player is fragile enough to have their career derailed in 8-9 games due to mental anguish from getting sacked, then he wasn't actually a legitimate prospect.
This thread made me laugh... it’s all 100% meaningless because Â
the Giants are going to have a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft and this time they are selecting a QB. And there isn’t anything Lauletta could show that would change that.
That doesn’t mean Lauletta shouldn’t play this year. He’s still a player the Giants hope to develop over the next few years. But it is just naive to believe there is anything Lauletta is likely to do to convince the Giants to forego selecting a QB with a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft.
watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.
watching him last night... he is not be the best QB in the league by a long shot... but just watching him evade defenders with his legs and find the open receiver made me salivate.
I really only watched the 1st half but he made at least 4-5 throws while on a designed or undesigned run (scramble) that Eli would have either been sacked or thrown it into the ground.
KL is not yet even Case Keenum... but there is a very real chance IMO that he makes this team better right away.
As for Keenum, it took him 5 years with multiple teams to develop into a below league-average starter. He rode his one good year last season to a big contract with Elway who hasn't exactly been an infallible judge of qb's. Good for Keenum. Not a plan for a team.
We are drafting a qb #1 this season: get it through your heads. Other than furnishing some of you with a source of entertainment, Lauletta is a nothing and is highly likely to remain a nothing.
If we have a shot a potential franchise QB in next year's draft I am all in...
Do not think I am all in on the "Lauletta as our future QB" train. What I am saying I would rather watch him play for the Giants in 2018/19 than Eli at this point.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
No one wants to do that. The question now is, why isn't Lauletta getting first team reps?
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
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There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
No one wants to do that. The question now is, why isn't Lauletta getting first team reps?
Oh, I don't know; maybe it's because he's a 1-AA QB who is 6 games into his NFL career? They weren't going to change anything until they became toast. And the reality was, they were still "in" it until they lost to PHI last week, given how the NFCE has unperformed so far this year.
So there really was no reason to give him 1st team reps. Now? Sure, make sense to do it, and hopefully they will.
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There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
I think Lauletta represents a huge opportunity for this franchise. If we learn this year that he can play, the whole near future picture changes for the better (more cap space and a blue chip prospect at another position).
This season's top priority ha to be knowing what we have in Lauletta.
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There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
Oh absolutely? No QB is getting shell-shocked in 8 or 9 games. It took David Carr like two or three seasons and over 100 sacks before he was irreparably damaged. What QB do you know of that was shell-shocked after half a season? If so, he never had what it took to be a good QB to begin with.
I think Lauletta represents a huge opportunity for this franchise. If we learn this year that he can play, the whole near future picture changes for the better (more cap space and a blue chip prospect at another position).
This season's top priority ha to be knowing what we have in Lauletta.
It matters because it's not a top program. Carson Wentz is the anomaly re playing well right out of the gate from a smaller, non FCS school. And even then, he played for a program that won what, 5 titles in a row? Lauletta played for a program that didn't have much success and where his stats weren't overly impressive.
He was drafted with the idea he would sit the first year and get acclimated to the pro game and learn from Eli; the hope was that NYG would be somewhat competitive, obviously that's not the case. So hopefully he gets 1st team reps sooner rather than later and gets into games after the bye
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There are multiple posters who want to throw the guy out there "to see what we have", when the guy hasn't even taken 1st team reps.
That - combined with this crappy OL - will get the guy killed.
Realistically, he won't die in half a season. And he won't develop David Carr Syndrome in just half a season either.
And further, who cares? He's a minimal investment player with the odds stacked against ever being a franchise QB to begin with.
Throw him out there and make an assessment. He'll be fine.
He can absolutely get David Carr syndrome in 8-9 games. Assuming they were stupid enough to throw him out there after not even getting first team reps, as you seems to be suggesting..
Oh absolutely? No QB is getting shell-shocked in 8 or 9 games. It took David Carr like two or three seasons and over 100 sacks before he was irreparably damaged. What QB do you know of that was shell-shocked after half a season? If so, he never had what it took to be a good QB to begin with.
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
With this offensive line - and the lack of command of an offense a rookie has 6 games into the season - it wouldn't surprise me if Lauletta got sacked 50+ times when he finally gets in there, even as mobile as he is (mobile guys can get sacked a lot, just look at what happened to Mariota).
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
No he wasn't. Thats absurd. The Texans even decided to extend him for three years after he'd been playing for them from 2002 - 2005. They gave up on him the next year.
QB's don't get shell-shocked in 9 games. Like I said, if thats all it takes to ruin you - you never had what it takes to begin with.
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Throwing him put there because we want to see what he is does make sense. Waiting until we're 2-12 and many of our starters are on IR does not.
Carson Wentz was a 1-AA QB.
He's a quarterback on the roster. He should be ready to play now. If he isn't, our coaches are failing (which would not surprise me).
Much like Webb, he was picked to be a developmental QB. Reese said Webb was probably going to sit 2-3 YEARS, yet fans clamored for him to play last year when you and I both know he sucked balls. Its rinse and repeat this year.
Throwing a player out there who is not ready doesnt make sense. This is a 4th round rookie QB who played I-AA. If we had an experience backup with McCown or Fitz or whoeever - yes, make the move now. If we had a 1st rounder we just drafted, then yes make the move.
If Lauletta is ready to start, then start him next week - I agree. But if he isnt, there is no shame in sitting him until he is ready.
Carr was damaged WELL before the 91 sacks he took in his first two seasons.
Moreover, it's impossible to demonstrate. You might as well argue ghosts exist. If a player is fragile enough to have their career derailed in 8-9 games due to mental anguish from getting sacked, then he wasn't actually a legitimate prospect.
That doesn’t mean Lauletta shouldn’t play this year. He’s still a player the Giants hope to develop over the next few years. But it is just naive to believe there is anything Lauletta is likely to do to convince the Giants to forego selecting a QB with a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft.
They won't bench Eli for Tanney, that's a tank move and the FO cannot admit to that.
Eli will start for the rest of the year. And likely next year as well. Its not the right move but here we are.
Eli has become a living institution in NY. He will continue playing and losing for the next 2 years, earning over $1 million for each and every loss.0