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Is there any hope?

Les in TO : 10/18/2018 11:21 am
Two years ago the Chiefs ripped off ten straight wins after starting off 1-5 becoming only the second team to make the playoffs after such a horrendous start.

Things look very bleak - Eli looks slower and more jittery , Odell is causing controversy the team generally seems to find ways to lose and lacks confidence

Rationally I know the playoffs are not happening in 2018 and I’ve come to accept that

But maybe just maybe this team will catch some breaks. A big pick 6 that catalyzes the defense - some injuries to key players of opponents combined with health of key Giants - the offensive line finding cohesion, Engram’s return opening up the offense. A somewhat easier schedule the rest of the way

Things looked down and out in 1994 1997 and 2013 but the Giants managed to turn around slow starts and put together a string of victories. And this team has just as much if not more talent than those versions

I know I’m setting myself up for disappointment but I can’t truly believe the season is over before I’ve had a chance to put away my summer clothes

Anyone else still feel a pulse for this team this year?

None  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2018 11:22 am : link
go smoke some weed
I was going to say there's always hope  
allstarjim : 10/18/2018 11:25 am : link
But not if we're talking about just this year. This year is truly over, and if the Giants do win a few games to make it interesting, it's really bad for "hope" for the future. They really need to be picking at the top of the draft again.
There's always hope  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 11:26 am : link
albeit very little.

For us to contend the offense needs to kick it in about 20 gears. The problem is we havent seen them do it consistently for years.

If OL pass blocked better, Eli would probably be a little more confident. But right now, neither are playing nearly well enough. The defense then gives up and quits for whatever reason. Then the special teams usually add a gaffe or 2.

If they had won vs. Philly - I would have been optimistic. But the way they got destroyed should end any doubt how this season will end.
TECHNICALLY ZERO!!!  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/18/2018 11:26 am : link
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It depends if you are of the  
pjcas18 : 10/18/2018 11:27 am : link
Andy Dufresne POV:

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Remember Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.


Or the Red Redding POV:

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hope is a dangerous thing my friend, it can kill a man..
It's over.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2018 11:28 am : link
Acceptance is the first step.

We suck.
In 2011  
Les in TO : 10/18/2018 11:39 am : link
After the team started 6-2 including the big win in Foxbotough they lost 4 straight and were soon 7-7 including a humbling loss at home to the redskins and getting destroyed by the saints . It looked like they were going to be pounded by the Jets until Cruz took it 99 yards and the rest was history

The Giants were competitive in all but one game so far so it’s not like they are consistently getting blown out

I’m not saying that a 10 game streak will happen, this team has holes on both sides of the ball, but it’s a game of momentum and confidence and sometimes luck

I’m going to take the Andy Dufresne outlook until they are eliminated
We are two games out of first with 10 to play....  
Britt in VA : 10/18/2018 11:42 am : link
in 2013 we started 0-6 but won 4 in a row in order to play a game for first place against the Cowboys which we lost.

That was Coughlin though. I don't know if Shurmur has it in him to rally this group that way. We'll see.

I don't see it, but it's not impossible.
Playoffs are not happening...  
Capt. Don : 10/18/2018 12:06 pm : link
BUT, the Knicks are on pace to go 82-0. So there is that!
The key to all of it is attitude  
Rjanyg : 10/18/2018 12:24 pm : link
The one thing I really like about Barkley ( besides the fact he is a freak ) is his attitude. If more guys and approach their jobs like Saquon then it is possible they play better as a TEAM. We have talent on this roster, they are just not playing together. I like the talent at the skill positions and 2 of our OL ( Solder, Hernandez ). Our front 7 is pretty good. I think our FS is our weakest player on defense.

Our punter is ok, Rosas is decent. We need to find a returner on kick offs.

I am not sure they can put together a solid game in all 3 phases. That is my concern for optimism. It all starts this Monday. If they win this game on the road then who knows.
No, we didn't draft Darnold, Rosen or Allen  
Dinger : 10/18/2018 12:42 pm : link
wait, no, there is hope if we trade for Carr or Tyrod Taylor. Their mobility will bring us to the playloffs.....
I have no hope  
family progtitioner : 10/18/2018 12:44 pm : link
Because the qb stinks. He’s worse than some teams backups
RE: I have no hope  
Dinger : 10/18/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14134292 family progtitioner said:
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Because the qb stinks. He’s worse than some teams backups



HAHAHAHAHA
Hope  
Mark C : 10/18/2018 12:56 pm : link
is a dangerous thing.
RE: I have no hope  
JCin332 : 10/18/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14134292 family progtitioner said:
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Because the qb stinks. He’s worse than some teams backups


The scary part is you are serious..
"Keep hope  
UESBLUE : 10/18/2018 1:34 pm : link
alive!" -- Jesse Jackson
The season ended last Thursday.  
jogo1 : 10/18/2018 1:35 pm : link
If Eli had anything left in the tank, that would have been the day to show it. It still wouldn't surprise me if he has one or two more Texans-like performances this year, but at 1-5 it just doesn't matter.
Always  
Thegratefulhead : 10/18/2018 1:42 pm : link
You should hope, I think hope is good. Do not get emotionally invested in the hope though, because it is not fucking likely.
Hope  
JonC : 10/18/2018 1:42 pm : link
for high drafts to accelerate the rebuild.
I would take  
family progtitioner : 10/18/2018 1:43 pm : link
Tyrod Taylor, josh mccown or fitz in a second. Plus they come a hell of a lot cheaper
"Because the qb stinks. He’s worse than some teams backups"  
MarkT : 10/18/2018 1:50 pm : link
Just proof that 5 year old kids can type.
There is always hope!  
Y.A. : 10/18/2018 1:54 pm : link
There may be no chance, but there is never no hope. (Vintage Israeli joke.)
Eli is done....  
silverfox : 10/18/2018 1:56 pm : link
...thus so are the Giants.
RE: Hope  
dep026 : 10/18/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14134376 JonC said:
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for high drafts to accelerate the rebuild.


They will help. But one of the reasons why we are in the shitter is because we stuck out every year in rounds 3-7. We need to start hitting on some of those picks.
Hope for 1-15  
Go Terps : 10/18/2018 2:11 pm : link
Maybe ownership will be shocked into the 21st century.
RE: RE: Hope  
giants#1 : 10/18/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14134403 dep026 said:
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In comment 14134376 JonC said:


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for high drafts to accelerate the rebuild.



They will help. But one of the reasons why we are in the shitter is because we stuck out every year in rounds 3-7. We need to start hitting on some of those picks.


We've had some bad misses in rds 1-2 too: Apple, Flowers, Richburg, Pugh, Wilson, Randle, Prince, Austin. And one of the few hits (Hankins) we didn't sign to a 2nd contract.
RE: In 2011  
Tom in NY : 10/18/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14134136 Les in TO said:
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After the team started 6-2 including the big win in Foxbotough they lost 4 straight and were soon 7-7 including a humbling loss at home to the redskins and getting destroyed by the saints . It looked like they were going to be pounded by the Jets until Cruz took it 99 yards and the rest was history

The Giants were competitive in all but one game so far so it’s not like they are consistently getting blown out

I’m not saying that a 10 game streak will happen, this team has holes on both sides of the ball, but it’s a game of momentum and confidence and sometimes luck

I’m going to take the Andy Dufresne outlook until they are eliminated


Unfortunately the Giants were not competitive in 2 of their 5 losses (Dal & Phila), 2 of the teams in their division that they would have to beat out for a playoff spot. The Oline gives them little chance to be competitive against good defensive fronts, and they play plenty more of those coming up (Chicago, Wash (2), @ Phila, Dal, Tampa).
I can't see them finishing with any more than 4-5 wins.

The light at the end of the tunnel is 2019...high draft pick(s), free up cap space, continue to add young, hungry players.....maybe just maybe drafting a young franchise QB to go with OBJ, Engram, Barkley..AND FINALLY improving the Oline to competitive status.
Justin Herbert is the top pick in the draft  
Youtoo : 10/18/2018 2:37 pm : link
Broncos and possibly raiders need a QB and they are 1-5 too. Any other team that gets to #1 will probably trade down and demand a kings ransom for the pick. Giants dont have a 3rd and 5th round pick.

so the hope is they keep losing.
Only the most optimistic person could find hope here  
rsjem1979 : 10/18/2018 2:45 pm : link
Of the last 22 times the Giants stepped on the field, they've lost 18 games. They have been soundly beaten by two of their division rivals already this year, after going 1-5 against the division in 2017 - a meaningless Week 17 win against a team with nothing to play for and a QB just hoping to avoid getting hurt before becoming a free agent.

It's a virtual certainty that they will lose their next game to fall to 1-6. At best, they will go into their bye week at 2-6 though they will be home 'dogs against the Redskins in Week 8. Any objective look at their schedule suggests they will be lucky to win 5 games.

This is a bad team, and a poorly run franchise.
RE: RE: I have no hope  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14134361 JCin332 said:
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In comment 14134292 family progtitioner said:


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Because the qb stinks. He’s worse than some teams backups



The scary part is you are serious..

About as scary as the fact that you are too.
KC had Reid  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/18/2018 3:19 pm : link
We have Shurmur.
RE: Justin Herbert is the top pick in the draft  
VinegarPeppers : 10/18/2018 4:23 pm : link
We need to put a rookie QB behind this OL next season?

DRAFT OL MEN!!! FA is NOT the way to collect them as nobody lets quality OL walk and you can look at the Vikings and Rams and yeah they plugged their holes that way but thats the exception not the rule. We need OL. Bringing a rookie in with a crappy OL is a ticket to happy feet.

If this crap continues lets see what Lauletta has for 4 or 5 games down the stretch...likely nothing behind this OL...and go from there.

I'd use the first 3-4 rounds to pick centers, guards and tackles.


In comment 14134472 Youtoo said:
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Broncos and possibly raiders need a QB and they are 1-5 too. Any other team that gets to #1 will probably trade down and demand a kings ransom for the pick. Giants dont have a 3rd and 5th round pick.

so the hope is they keep losing.
RE: I would take  
gmenatlarge : 10/18/2018 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14134378 family progtitioner said:
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Tyrod Taylor, josh mccown or fitz in a second. Plus they come a hell of a lot cheaper


Those 3? As what benchwarmers or clipboard holders? Taylor is awful, the best thing he does is scramble terrible thrower, McCown has been marginal at best and we’ve all seen Fitz crash and burn after a little success, no thank you!,
.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 10/18/2018 5:03 pm : link
always believe,  
BIGbluegermany : 10/18/2018 9:18 pm : link
we still have the chance, so the hope is there.
There is hope  
UberAlias : 10/19/2018 5:24 am : link
But only if you are rooting for the right things. If you are clinging to hope NYG will win the division and or reach the playoffs, that was never going to happen and the sooner fans give up on that dream the more content they will be.

If you put your hope into seeing signs of improvement and that the arrow is pointing up with an eye on the future, then yes —there is hope.
RE: RE: RE: Hope  
Rong5611 : 10/19/2018 7:20 am : link
That's why we are, where we are.

There's hope, we have Barkley. Hernandez looks like a keeper. OBJ is a diva, but a great talent. We have some of the pieces to build a future.

Let's hope they can just keep getting better each week. After the season, we free up cap space and hope we draft well.

In comment 14134426 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14134376 JonC said:


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for high drafts to accelerate the rebuild.



They will help. But one of the reasons why we are in the shitter is because we stuck out every year in rounds 3-7. We need to start hitting on some of those picks.



We've had some bad misses in rds 1-2 too: Apple, Flowers, Richburg, Pugh, Wilson, Randle, Prince, Austin. And one of the few hits (Hankins) we didn't sign to a 2nd contract.
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